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Thursday, 21.02.2008.

16:39

Ex-servicemen cross into Kosovo

Several hundred protesting war veterans have around 13:30 CET crossed the administrative line to Kosovo.

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Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Hey blero...
Although i can't account for #4 and #5 (which i believe is a fabrication), at least it's safe to say that #1-#3 happened to Serbs that did't obey the law either..
It's called keeping order. In Albanian, it's called repression.

It just depends what side of the lens you're looking through.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 16 godina

'I guess you are referring to the job that the Serbian Cops did in Kosovo then.
If that is the case then I agree with you.
There is a lot a middle ground:
1. Beating the hell of the demonstrators.
2. Imprisoning everybody you find on the road
3. Running demonstrators over with the Police cars.
4. Going into the houses with tanks
5. Gathering demonstrators in a room and setting fire to it. - blero'

Her we go again another broken record and another argument to be debunked. Now lets see.

1. Beating the hell of the demonstrators.

NOD- yes the Albanian police in Kosmet certainly were/are masters of that in Kosmet. Faciltating in the campaign of intimidation and terror in Kosmet 1974-89 which caused many loyal Yugoslav citizens to flee.

2. Imprisoning everybody you find on the road

NOD - Dunno about you but what happend in 1941-44 when tens of thousands of Jews and Serbs were rounded up by SS Skenderbeg and massacred.

3. Running demonstrators over with the Police cars.

NOD- ditto no. 1

4. Going into the houses with tanks

NOD - Good Lord, if i could fit a tank in my front living room, the neighbours would take me to task over breach of planning laws, not to mention the difficulty of fitting my 3 piece and getting the coffee table all dirty.

5. Gathering demonstrators in a room and setting fire to it.

NOD - Grr, down with them hippie freaks I say. The great unwashed should get a job and stop burning churches.

smile

pre 16 godina

bler, kps is a joke and everyone knows it. they cant do basic policing down there.
serbian police on the other hand are the finest of the fine. they have experience, they have training, they have excellent equipment, maybe some parts of the leadership on higher levels could be better but you cant have it all. serbian police does not and never had any tanks at its disposal. if you are referring to the crimes committed in kosovo in 1999, they were done by the paramilitaries by and large. also,1999 came after decades of terror that albanians subjected the serb population to. look at the hague: serbs are indicted for kosovo for 1999. albanians for war crimes in 1998. one thing is action, another reaction. chronology is crucial here. albanian separatism in our country has been alive for 100 years. macedonia and montenegro are next. but kosovo is serbia.

John, Florida

pre 16 godina

Googled a bit, trying to find something about the embassy and found this article.
I have a question, it says, ex-servicemen in the title, do they imply ex-servicemen from the Milosevic era? If they do, then those men would be arrested on spot if they entered the borders, wouldn't they? I doubt them being clean in any way since any commander in chief (Milosevic) needs soldiers to implement orders.

So once again, why not let them pass the border, which would give jurisdiction to arrest them. I fail to see the point of not letting them cross.

And for crying out loud, let the embassies alone, you don’t see Albanians attacking Russian, Spanish, Slovak embassies around the world just because they don’t recognize their independence, do you?

A states sovereign right is to recognize another; I think this isolated group of Serb hooligans should get a grip of themselves. In my eyes this has damaged what I thought would be a turning point in Serbian politics when your president spoke of peaceful means of rejecting independence.

When staging a demonstration against the independence of Kosovo then you would either stupid or lacking a clear view of reality in not stepping up security, especially around the embassies. I fear this to create even more anti-serb sentiment in the US. I’m truly, deeply saddened by this.

John,
Collier, Florida

Marco, Amsterdam

pre 16 godina

PS Not that it's any business of yours, but I'm not "Al-banian".

C'mon Al-x reveal your nationality. Are you American? Or do you belong to the nations whose leaders George W. Bush keeps on a leash? Maybe a close friend of David Miliband (UK minister who did not inform his parliament that the CIA was using British military airports to get prisoners from Afghanistan to Guantanamo Bay)?

blero

pre 16 godina

have you any idea what cops are supposed to do?
there's lots of middle ground between cowardly running away and shooting to kill, you know, for REAL cops :) that is.

(smile, 21 February 2008 22:22)

Smile,

I guess you are referring to the job that the Serbian Cops did in Kosovo then.
If that is the case then I agree with you.
There is a lot a middle ground:
1. Beating the hell of the demonstrators.
2. Imprisoning everybody you find on the road
3. Running demonstrators over with the Police cars.
4. Going into the houses with tanks
5. Gathering demonstrators in a room and setting fire to it.

Smile, you are right.
None of the above requires any shooting.
KPS knows better than to be provoked by a number of thugs.
The demonstration was peacefully controlled.
This is what REAL cops are supposed to do.
This is a term that Serbian Police is not familiar.
P.S. By the way, how good of the jog is the Serbian Police (the REAL cops) doing when foreign embassies are attacked in the heart of Belgrade.

ChicagoUS

pre 16 godina

Im a American none Serb, and cant believe that in a war which created war criminals on all sides, including the former priminester or Kosovo (a albanian), allow the western media together with western goverments to brainwash so many that only the Serbs are to blame, and committed these crimes. This is Serbia's payment for allowing so many Albanians to live within it's border as they fled their inhospitable disaster of a country called Albania.

But the American people are much to smart to be brain washed or tricked by the media and the goverment.. and if you believe that, you must still believe there are Weapons Of Mass Destroction in Iraq.

A92

pre 16 godina

Albanians comments on B92 in the last 4 days are incredibly and beyond funny.

Suddenly these ex-service men are criminals??? LOL

WOW keep it up, B92 is the new comedy network for me. :)

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

TO frukyy, 21 February 2008 20:20)

am not claiming anything, this is just an article among others that are describing the heavy past of Mr Thaci.
I didn't link him to anything but what I certainly recall is when the previous US administration were calling him and his organisation "terrorists with link to Al-Qaida", so next time read more carefully my post!
Now time for your guys to prove to part of the world that recognize this outlaw action that you have changed overnight.
One thing is sure there hasn't been such a controversial move for a long time, even Irak went easier at least at the begining!!

Former KFOR

pre 16 godina

I am a former US Army solider and a Serb! I was assigned to KFOR in 1999 and lived in the village of Partes (Kosovo). I was fortunate enough to have been stationed in a Serbian village and was even invited to a local family slava.

I am discusted and outraged with the happenings in Kosovo. I compare it to California and the illegal Mexican immigrants we have there. Should Mexico say, "There are a majority of Mexican's in California now, so we will make it ours?" There is no way in hell the US government would stand for that.
Good luck and God Bless.
Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava

Mike

pre 16 godina

For the love of God, please do not let this escalate into uncontrolable violence. All we need is for the Serb of the north to provoke the Albanians in the south, and you can pretty much write off any Serb communities south of the Ibar. I'm glad no one was killed because yes, if a Serb "volunteer" was killed, all Hell would have broken loose.

Please Serbia, you have a legitimate claim to Kosovo, but do not overplay your hand and end up with less than you can claim now.

smile

pre 16 godina

'if KPS had shot at these criminals, you would have been shouting here about how the albanians are killing'

have you any idea what cops are supposed to do?
there's lots of middle ground between cowardly running away and shooting to kill, you know, for REAL cops :) that is.
crowd control. crowd dispersal. pretty much what kfor is doing.
kps... my goodness :) if they had some pitchforks, now, i'm sure that would be a whole different ballgame.
good luck and cheers ;)

Matija

pre 16 godina

While Kosovo IS ours, the violence should stop. It's stupid on both sides. Didn't we learn from the 90's what happened? We get rid of Milosevic..now we have Tadic who is Pro-American..we should just be happy and go on but we can't. I say split Kosovo in two, the North to us and the South to the Albos. I'm just sick of the violence.

lee coleman

pre 16 godina

im british . at least the serbs have got the guts to stand up to america . thats more than i can say for my country . good luck serbia , you dont deserve this .

Jovan

pre 16 godina

Folks,

don´t let guys lik Al-x provoke you... if they have no argument, they come up with the usual serbs-are-evil-... but no word mentioned about international law or the UN-charter.

so, that show what you have to think about writers like al-x or SK who in all seriousness thinks that those socalled kps-thugs would have had a chance... my dear kid, they had to be rescued by KFOR... and the Serbs weren´t even armed...

so, dream on... if you think that this virtual "border" has any meaning...

I think that we will see what the future brings, ...and who will be shown his borders...

Al-x

pre 16 godina

BKK,

My "audacity" is nothing more than a repitition of what the Serbian government has said all along - so audacity it may be, but its not mine.

I read with interest B92's article about Serbian Minister Velimir Ilic's remarks equating attacks on embassies as expressions of "democracy". On a more practical note, I've also personally crossed the boundary/border stations that have been attacked (inlcuding Merdare) several times, and I'm telling you that no bulldozer or car boot full of Molotov cocktails would get past the Serbian side without the tacit approval or support of the Serbian police.

I'm not going to entertain your tired polemic about Kosovo Albanian violence. All violence is deplorable (even against Ronald McDonald), which is precisely my point.

The question is, when will Serbs wake up from the lies that their polticians tell them - including that they advocate non-violence - and get on with business of getting their own house in order?

Dealing with your own war criminals would be a good place to start.

Al-x

PS Not that it's any business of yours, but I'm not "Al-banian".

frukyy

pre 16 godina

The Swiss:

Thaci close to Islamic terrorist group you claim. How it comes then he is so thankful to America and Kosova is the only country accepting US and EU troops with joyful welcoming. I understand your detestation toward Thaci but linking him to Al-Qaeda is not in anyway plausible. Actually Islamic groups dislike him very much because of his pro-western stands.If Recak was the only “incident” somehow the world would believe the story of UCK staging the massacre but similar stories perpetrated by Serbian groups were seen multiple times all over Balkans. Of course army will say it wasn’t us. So then they failed to protect the citizens therefore if people cannot trust the system anymore to defend their rights then they change the system. Therefore the birth of a new system - country. Serbia lost Kosovo because their own mistakes not because Albanians were smarter or more organized.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Go and protest this illegal act on Serbia. Good for them. Violence worked for the K-Albanians, which all of Albanian camp forgot about, a couple of border post do not even compare to what the Albanians did in the past to present. Cry me a river, K-Albanians are the experts when it comes to useing violence as a political tool. These people are here to protest, thats all. Now if the Albanians or KPS cause the protesters to do someting then its on them (Albanian side). The north is under Serb control and has been partitioned since day one. For the moment the south is controled by the Albanians, for the moment. Kosovo is Serbia. CCCC! Go Serbia and take back whats your, Kosovo!

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

(Joe, 21 February 2008 17:27)

Joe The American

I can see that you are a real defender of the K-Albanians, am happy for you, but have you ever been in Serbia or you are just descovering thru your local medias.
I have realized that in most of your posts you have an interesting kind of racist rethoric and I have asked you some concrete questions, about the US role in this mess and around the world but sofar didn't receive any reply.
Am once more giving you the link of one of the greatest friend of your dear puppet president.
http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=125467

Pls tell me what you think about it?

Canadian

pre 16 godina

Again NATO did nothing but watch. Had they fired a single shot at one of the Serbians the game would have changed and this basket case experiment called Kosovo would take a dark turn.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Are these the same soliders of Milosevic that left Kosova and K-Serbs behind?
What do they want now?
K-Serbs dont trust them again, they have betrayed thme once.
Today, these ex-whatever found out where the border is. Nice, nice ...

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

Kosovo police force during these days together with KFOR are only taking pictures and recording every face and building files of tomorrow. Don't you even think that anyone involved in the slightest way of violence these days will go unpunished in the future. Half of the "journalists" on the border are actually secret servicemen who are profiling everyone. When THEY say they will not tolerate violence, they mean it in the fullest way possible. Keep that in mind!

nikshala

pre 16 godina

"what is it with this kps :))
(smile, 21 February 2008 17:23) "

If KPS had shot at these criminals, you would have been shouting here about how the albanians are killing 'innocent' serb protesters and how they are trying to ethnicly cleanse Kosovo.

KPS are much smarter that the serbian police. They do not want to fall prey to serbian provocation and give them any amuniation or tools for their propaganda.

When KLA was form, its members where very few, but due to serbian police actions and massacres, its membership rose to tens of thousands within a few weeks. And look where that got Serbia!

Good job KPS, and good job KFOR for keeping calm.

I also admire our Kosovan leaders for not coming out strongly and threatening these criminals with violence, instead they are just letting the serbian goverment make a fool of itself.

Kool

pre 16 godina

"
Where are the voices of non-violence in Serbia now? "

You mean " where are the lying down and wait for €U to satisfy themselves again-people now"?

They are in Rumania or elsewhere but not here. At least some of the Sorosians got a sense of shame.

You can´t fight continuous rape with bursts of joy and expect it to stop..

Joe

pre 16 godina

Al-x,

You are right. Serbia is showing her usual face again.
Milosevic is gone but his spirit of violence lives on.
Is this the so-called "democratic" non-violent country the EU wanted to accept? I think the EU will change her mind and Serbia will have to wait with countries like Turkey, Ukraine and Moldova.

Agim Gjilani

pre 16 godina

I am really suprised with B92. Just recently started to using your site as news sourse and it suprised me for GOOD. GOOD JOB. Continue doing the same

BKK

pre 16 godina

Al-x,

Al-Banians in Kosovo have commited the worst of political and physical violence against Serbs and Serbia proper.
I do not understand where you get the audacity to speak about violence.

Bob

pre 16 godina

Violence against people will not serve Serbia's cause, although that does not rule out the use of physicality in other contexts.

Acts of 'vandalism' can be seen as 'political action' depending how you look at them.

In the 90s the paramilitiaries did Serbia's reputation incredible harm - that kind of violence is not good for Serbia. In my view Milosevic was a traitor to Serbia because he acted in a way that did such severe harm to its reputation.

As long as no one gets hurt, protesting through acts such as burning border posts will make it clear to the IC that their policy will not sustain. Killing an maiming would hurt Serbia's case very quickly.

It is now 'Democratic Serbia' and that means up-holding the norms of law.

The main thing is not to resort to violence against individuals. (Please),

Kosovo is still Serbia - and that has to be INSISTED on however.

Al-x, Brussels

pre 16 godina

Hasn't the whole Serbian diplomatic line been that Serbia will do "everything short of violence" in implementing its policy regarding Kosovo?

Sorry, but what the hell are Serbian authorities doing about the burning of boundary/border posts, army reservists throwing stones (!) at Kosovo police, rioting and attacking foreign embassies in Belgrade and vandalizing (Serbian-owned) businesses like McDonalds?

Where are the voices of non-violence in Serbia now? Are they going to be as silent as those on the atrocities committed by Serbia in Kosovo, which led them to lose Kosovo in the first place?

BKK

pre 16 godina

Al-x,

Al-Banians in Kosovo have commited the worst of political and physical violence against Serbs and Serbia proper.
I do not understand where you get the audacity to speak about violence.

Al-x, Brussels

pre 16 godina

Hasn't the whole Serbian diplomatic line been that Serbia will do "everything short of violence" in implementing its policy regarding Kosovo?

Sorry, but what the hell are Serbian authorities doing about the burning of boundary/border posts, army reservists throwing stones (!) at Kosovo police, rioting and attacking foreign embassies in Belgrade and vandalizing (Serbian-owned) businesses like McDonalds?

Where are the voices of non-violence in Serbia now? Are they going to be as silent as those on the atrocities committed by Serbia in Kosovo, which led them to lose Kosovo in the first place?

Bob

pre 16 godina

Violence against people will not serve Serbia's cause, although that does not rule out the use of physicality in other contexts.

Acts of 'vandalism' can be seen as 'political action' depending how you look at them.

In the 90s the paramilitiaries did Serbia's reputation incredible harm - that kind of violence is not good for Serbia. In my view Milosevic was a traitor to Serbia because he acted in a way that did such severe harm to its reputation.

As long as no one gets hurt, protesting through acts such as burning border posts will make it clear to the IC that their policy will not sustain. Killing an maiming would hurt Serbia's case very quickly.

It is now 'Democratic Serbia' and that means up-holding the norms of law.

The main thing is not to resort to violence against individuals. (Please),

Kosovo is still Serbia - and that has to be INSISTED on however.

lee coleman

pre 16 godina

im british . at least the serbs have got the guts to stand up to america . thats more than i can say for my country . good luck serbia , you dont deserve this .

Canadian

pre 16 godina

Again NATO did nothing but watch. Had they fired a single shot at one of the Serbians the game would have changed and this basket case experiment called Kosovo would take a dark turn.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Go and protest this illegal act on Serbia. Good for them. Violence worked for the K-Albanians, which all of Albanian camp forgot about, a couple of border post do not even compare to what the Albanians did in the past to present. Cry me a river, K-Albanians are the experts when it comes to useing violence as a political tool. These people are here to protest, thats all. Now if the Albanians or KPS cause the protesters to do someting then its on them (Albanian side). The north is under Serb control and has been partitioned since day one. For the moment the south is controled by the Albanians, for the moment. Kosovo is Serbia. CCCC! Go Serbia and take back whats your, Kosovo!

nikshala

pre 16 godina

"what is it with this kps :))
(smile, 21 February 2008 17:23) "

If KPS had shot at these criminals, you would have been shouting here about how the albanians are killing 'innocent' serb protesters and how they are trying to ethnicly cleanse Kosovo.

KPS are much smarter that the serbian police. They do not want to fall prey to serbian provocation and give them any amuniation or tools for their propaganda.

When KLA was form, its members where very few, but due to serbian police actions and massacres, its membership rose to tens of thousands within a few weeks. And look where that got Serbia!

Good job KPS, and good job KFOR for keeping calm.

I also admire our Kosovan leaders for not coming out strongly and threatening these criminals with violence, instead they are just letting the serbian goverment make a fool of itself.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

Folks,

don´t let guys lik Al-x provoke you... if they have no argument, they come up with the usual serbs-are-evil-... but no word mentioned about international law or the UN-charter.

so, that show what you have to think about writers like al-x or SK who in all seriousness thinks that those socalled kps-thugs would have had a chance... my dear kid, they had to be rescued by KFOR... and the Serbs weren´t even armed...

so, dream on... if you think that this virtual "border" has any meaning...

I think that we will see what the future brings, ...and who will be shown his borders...

Former KFOR

pre 16 godina

I am a former US Army solider and a Serb! I was assigned to KFOR in 1999 and lived in the village of Partes (Kosovo). I was fortunate enough to have been stationed in a Serbian village and was even invited to a local family slava.

I am discusted and outraged with the happenings in Kosovo. I compare it to California and the illegal Mexican immigrants we have there. Should Mexico say, "There are a majority of Mexican's in California now, so we will make it ours?" There is no way in hell the US government would stand for that.
Good luck and God Bless.
Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava

Kool

pre 16 godina

"
Where are the voices of non-violence in Serbia now? "

You mean " where are the lying down and wait for €U to satisfy themselves again-people now"?

They are in Rumania or elsewhere but not here. At least some of the Sorosians got a sense of shame.

You can´t fight continuous rape with bursts of joy and expect it to stop..

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

(Joe, 21 February 2008 17:27)

Joe The American

I can see that you are a real defender of the K-Albanians, am happy for you, but have you ever been in Serbia or you are just descovering thru your local medias.
I have realized that in most of your posts you have an interesting kind of racist rethoric and I have asked you some concrete questions, about the US role in this mess and around the world but sofar didn't receive any reply.
Am once more giving you the link of one of the greatest friend of your dear puppet president.
http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=125467

Pls tell me what you think about it?

Al-x

pre 16 godina

BKK,

My "audacity" is nothing more than a repitition of what the Serbian government has said all along - so audacity it may be, but its not mine.

I read with interest B92's article about Serbian Minister Velimir Ilic's remarks equating attacks on embassies as expressions of "democracy". On a more practical note, I've also personally crossed the boundary/border stations that have been attacked (inlcuding Merdare) several times, and I'm telling you that no bulldozer or car boot full of Molotov cocktails would get past the Serbian side without the tacit approval or support of the Serbian police.

I'm not going to entertain your tired polemic about Kosovo Albanian violence. All violence is deplorable (even against Ronald McDonald), which is precisely my point.

The question is, when will Serbs wake up from the lies that their polticians tell them - including that they advocate non-violence - and get on with business of getting their own house in order?

Dealing with your own war criminals would be a good place to start.

Al-x

PS Not that it's any business of yours, but I'm not "Al-banian".

Joe

pre 16 godina

Al-x,

You are right. Serbia is showing her usual face again.
Milosevic is gone but his spirit of violence lives on.
Is this the so-called "democratic" non-violent country the EU wanted to accept? I think the EU will change her mind and Serbia will have to wait with countries like Turkey, Ukraine and Moldova.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

Kosovo police force during these days together with KFOR are only taking pictures and recording every face and building files of tomorrow. Don't you even think that anyone involved in the slightest way of violence these days will go unpunished in the future. Half of the "journalists" on the border are actually secret servicemen who are profiling everyone. When THEY say they will not tolerate violence, they mean it in the fullest way possible. Keep that in mind!

Olf

pre 16 godina

Are these the same soliders of Milosevic that left Kosova and K-Serbs behind?
What do they want now?
K-Serbs dont trust them again, they have betrayed thme once.
Today, these ex-whatever found out where the border is. Nice, nice ...

smile

pre 16 godina

'if KPS had shot at these criminals, you would have been shouting here about how the albanians are killing'

have you any idea what cops are supposed to do?
there's lots of middle ground between cowardly running away and shooting to kill, you know, for REAL cops :) that is.
crowd control. crowd dispersal. pretty much what kfor is doing.
kps... my goodness :) if they had some pitchforks, now, i'm sure that would be a whole different ballgame.
good luck and cheers ;)

Mike

pre 16 godina

For the love of God, please do not let this escalate into uncontrolable violence. All we need is for the Serb of the north to provoke the Albanians in the south, and you can pretty much write off any Serb communities south of the Ibar. I'm glad no one was killed because yes, if a Serb "volunteer" was killed, all Hell would have broken loose.

Please Serbia, you have a legitimate claim to Kosovo, but do not overplay your hand and end up with less than you can claim now.

frukyy

pre 16 godina

The Swiss:

Thaci close to Islamic terrorist group you claim. How it comes then he is so thankful to America and Kosova is the only country accepting US and EU troops with joyful welcoming. I understand your detestation toward Thaci but linking him to Al-Qaeda is not in anyway plausible. Actually Islamic groups dislike him very much because of his pro-western stands.If Recak was the only “incident” somehow the world would believe the story of UCK staging the massacre but similar stories perpetrated by Serbian groups were seen multiple times all over Balkans. Of course army will say it wasn’t us. So then they failed to protect the citizens therefore if people cannot trust the system anymore to defend their rights then they change the system. Therefore the birth of a new system - country. Serbia lost Kosovo because their own mistakes not because Albanians were smarter or more organized.

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

TO frukyy, 21 February 2008 20:20)

am not claiming anything, this is just an article among others that are describing the heavy past of Mr Thaci.
I didn't link him to anything but what I certainly recall is when the previous US administration were calling him and his organisation "terrorists with link to Al-Qaida", so next time read more carefully my post!
Now time for your guys to prove to part of the world that recognize this outlaw action that you have changed overnight.
One thing is sure there hasn't been such a controversial move for a long time, even Irak went easier at least at the begining!!

Agim Gjilani

pre 16 godina

I am really suprised with B92. Just recently started to using your site as news sourse and it suprised me for GOOD. GOOD JOB. Continue doing the same

John, Florida

pre 16 godina

Googled a bit, trying to find something about the embassy and found this article.
I have a question, it says, ex-servicemen in the title, do they imply ex-servicemen from the Milosevic era? If they do, then those men would be arrested on spot if they entered the borders, wouldn't they? I doubt them being clean in any way since any commander in chief (Milosevic) needs soldiers to implement orders.

So once again, why not let them pass the border, which would give jurisdiction to arrest them. I fail to see the point of not letting them cross.

And for crying out loud, let the embassies alone, you don’t see Albanians attacking Russian, Spanish, Slovak embassies around the world just because they don’t recognize their independence, do you?

A states sovereign right is to recognize another; I think this isolated group of Serb hooligans should get a grip of themselves. In my eyes this has damaged what I thought would be a turning point in Serbian politics when your president spoke of peaceful means of rejecting independence.

When staging a demonstration against the independence of Kosovo then you would either stupid or lacking a clear view of reality in not stepping up security, especially around the embassies. I fear this to create even more anti-serb sentiment in the US. I’m truly, deeply saddened by this.

John,
Collier, Florida

Matija

pre 16 godina

While Kosovo IS ours, the violence should stop. It's stupid on both sides. Didn't we learn from the 90's what happened? We get rid of Milosevic..now we have Tadic who is Pro-American..we should just be happy and go on but we can't. I say split Kosovo in two, the North to us and the South to the Albos. I'm just sick of the violence.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 16 godina

'I guess you are referring to the job that the Serbian Cops did in Kosovo then.
If that is the case then I agree with you.
There is a lot a middle ground:
1. Beating the hell of the demonstrators.
2. Imprisoning everybody you find on the road
3. Running demonstrators over with the Police cars.
4. Going into the houses with tanks
5. Gathering demonstrators in a room and setting fire to it. - blero'

Her we go again another broken record and another argument to be debunked. Now lets see.

1. Beating the hell of the demonstrators.

NOD- yes the Albanian police in Kosmet certainly were/are masters of that in Kosmet. Faciltating in the campaign of intimidation and terror in Kosmet 1974-89 which caused many loyal Yugoslav citizens to flee.

2. Imprisoning everybody you find on the road

NOD - Dunno about you but what happend in 1941-44 when tens of thousands of Jews and Serbs were rounded up by SS Skenderbeg and massacred.

3. Running demonstrators over with the Police cars.

NOD- ditto no. 1

4. Going into the houses with tanks

NOD - Good Lord, if i could fit a tank in my front living room, the neighbours would take me to task over breach of planning laws, not to mention the difficulty of fitting my 3 piece and getting the coffee table all dirty.

5. Gathering demonstrators in a room and setting fire to it.

NOD - Grr, down with them hippie freaks I say. The great unwashed should get a job and stop burning churches.

ChicagoUS

pre 16 godina

Im a American none Serb, and cant believe that in a war which created war criminals on all sides, including the former priminester or Kosovo (a albanian), allow the western media together with western goverments to brainwash so many that only the Serbs are to blame, and committed these crimes. This is Serbia's payment for allowing so many Albanians to live within it's border as they fled their inhospitable disaster of a country called Albania.

But the American people are much to smart to be brain washed or tricked by the media and the goverment.. and if you believe that, you must still believe there are Weapons Of Mass Destroction in Iraq.

blero

pre 16 godina

have you any idea what cops are supposed to do?
there's lots of middle ground between cowardly running away and shooting to kill, you know, for REAL cops :) that is.

(smile, 21 February 2008 22:22)

Smile,

I guess you are referring to the job that the Serbian Cops did in Kosovo then.
If that is the case then I agree with you.
There is a lot a middle ground:
1. Beating the hell of the demonstrators.
2. Imprisoning everybody you find on the road
3. Running demonstrators over with the Police cars.
4. Going into the houses with tanks
5. Gathering demonstrators in a room and setting fire to it.

Smile, you are right.
None of the above requires any shooting.
KPS knows better than to be provoked by a number of thugs.
The demonstration was peacefully controlled.
This is what REAL cops are supposed to do.
This is a term that Serbian Police is not familiar.
P.S. By the way, how good of the jog is the Serbian Police (the REAL cops) doing when foreign embassies are attacked in the heart of Belgrade.

A92

pre 16 godina

Albanians comments on B92 in the last 4 days are incredibly and beyond funny.

Suddenly these ex-service men are criminals??? LOL

WOW keep it up, B92 is the new comedy network for me. :)

Marco, Amsterdam

pre 16 godina

PS Not that it's any business of yours, but I'm not "Al-banian".

C'mon Al-x reveal your nationality. Are you American? Or do you belong to the nations whose leaders George W. Bush keeps on a leash? Maybe a close friend of David Miliband (UK minister who did not inform his parliament that the CIA was using British military airports to get prisoners from Afghanistan to Guantanamo Bay)?

smile

pre 16 godina

bler, kps is a joke and everyone knows it. they cant do basic policing down there.
serbian police on the other hand are the finest of the fine. they have experience, they have training, they have excellent equipment, maybe some parts of the leadership on higher levels could be better but you cant have it all. serbian police does not and never had any tanks at its disposal. if you are referring to the crimes committed in kosovo in 1999, they were done by the paramilitaries by and large. also,1999 came after decades of terror that albanians subjected the serb population to. look at the hague: serbs are indicted for kosovo for 1999. albanians for war crimes in 1998. one thing is action, another reaction. chronology is crucial here. albanian separatism in our country has been alive for 100 years. macedonia and montenegro are next. but kosovo is serbia.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Hey blero...
Although i can't account for #4 and #5 (which i believe is a fabrication), at least it's safe to say that #1-#3 happened to Serbs that did't obey the law either..
It's called keeping order. In Albanian, it's called repression.

It just depends what side of the lens you're looking through.

Joe

pre 16 godina

Al-x,

You are right. Serbia is showing her usual face again.
Milosevic is gone but his spirit of violence lives on.
Is this the so-called "democratic" non-violent country the EU wanted to accept? I think the EU will change her mind and Serbia will have to wait with countries like Turkey, Ukraine and Moldova.

Al-x, Brussels

pre 16 godina

Hasn't the whole Serbian diplomatic line been that Serbia will do "everything short of violence" in implementing its policy regarding Kosovo?

Sorry, but what the hell are Serbian authorities doing about the burning of boundary/border posts, army reservists throwing stones (!) at Kosovo police, rioting and attacking foreign embassies in Belgrade and vandalizing (Serbian-owned) businesses like McDonalds?

Where are the voices of non-violence in Serbia now? Are they going to be as silent as those on the atrocities committed by Serbia in Kosovo, which led them to lose Kosovo in the first place?

nikshala

pre 16 godina

"what is it with this kps :))
(smile, 21 February 2008 17:23) "

If KPS had shot at these criminals, you would have been shouting here about how the albanians are killing 'innocent' serb protesters and how they are trying to ethnicly cleanse Kosovo.

KPS are much smarter that the serbian police. They do not want to fall prey to serbian provocation and give them any amuniation or tools for their propaganda.

When KLA was form, its members where very few, but due to serbian police actions and massacres, its membership rose to tens of thousands within a few weeks. And look where that got Serbia!

Good job KPS, and good job KFOR for keeping calm.

I also admire our Kosovan leaders for not coming out strongly and threatening these criminals with violence, instead they are just letting the serbian goverment make a fool of itself.

Agim Gjilani

pre 16 godina

I am really suprised with B92. Just recently started to using your site as news sourse and it suprised me for GOOD. GOOD JOB. Continue doing the same

frukyy

pre 16 godina

The Swiss:

Thaci close to Islamic terrorist group you claim. How it comes then he is so thankful to America and Kosova is the only country accepting US and EU troops with joyful welcoming. I understand your detestation toward Thaci but linking him to Al-Qaeda is not in anyway plausible. Actually Islamic groups dislike him very much because of his pro-western stands.If Recak was the only “incident” somehow the world would believe the story of UCK staging the massacre but similar stories perpetrated by Serbian groups were seen multiple times all over Balkans. Of course army will say it wasn’t us. So then they failed to protect the citizens therefore if people cannot trust the system anymore to defend their rights then they change the system. Therefore the birth of a new system - country. Serbia lost Kosovo because their own mistakes not because Albanians were smarter or more organized.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Are these the same soliders of Milosevic that left Kosova and K-Serbs behind?
What do they want now?
K-Serbs dont trust them again, they have betrayed thme once.
Today, these ex-whatever found out where the border is. Nice, nice ...

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

Kosovo police force during these days together with KFOR are only taking pictures and recording every face and building files of tomorrow. Don't you even think that anyone involved in the slightest way of violence these days will go unpunished in the future. Half of the "journalists" on the border are actually secret servicemen who are profiling everyone. When THEY say they will not tolerate violence, they mean it in the fullest way possible. Keep that in mind!

Kool

pre 16 godina

"
Where are the voices of non-violence in Serbia now? "

You mean " where are the lying down and wait for €U to satisfy themselves again-people now"?

They are in Rumania or elsewhere but not here. At least some of the Sorosians got a sense of shame.

You can´t fight continuous rape with bursts of joy and expect it to stop..

Al-x

pre 16 godina

BKK,

My "audacity" is nothing more than a repitition of what the Serbian government has said all along - so audacity it may be, but its not mine.

I read with interest B92's article about Serbian Minister Velimir Ilic's remarks equating attacks on embassies as expressions of "democracy". On a more practical note, I've also personally crossed the boundary/border stations that have been attacked (inlcuding Merdare) several times, and I'm telling you that no bulldozer or car boot full of Molotov cocktails would get past the Serbian side without the tacit approval or support of the Serbian police.

I'm not going to entertain your tired polemic about Kosovo Albanian violence. All violence is deplorable (even against Ronald McDonald), which is precisely my point.

The question is, when will Serbs wake up from the lies that their polticians tell them - including that they advocate non-violence - and get on with business of getting their own house in order?

Dealing with your own war criminals would be a good place to start.

Al-x

PS Not that it's any business of yours, but I'm not "Al-banian".

Bob

pre 16 godina

Violence against people will not serve Serbia's cause, although that does not rule out the use of physicality in other contexts.

Acts of 'vandalism' can be seen as 'political action' depending how you look at them.

In the 90s the paramilitiaries did Serbia's reputation incredible harm - that kind of violence is not good for Serbia. In my view Milosevic was a traitor to Serbia because he acted in a way that did such severe harm to its reputation.

As long as no one gets hurt, protesting through acts such as burning border posts will make it clear to the IC that their policy will not sustain. Killing an maiming would hurt Serbia's case very quickly.

It is now 'Democratic Serbia' and that means up-holding the norms of law.

The main thing is not to resort to violence against individuals. (Please),

Kosovo is still Serbia - and that has to be INSISTED on however.

BKK

pre 16 godina

Al-x,

Al-Banians in Kosovo have commited the worst of political and physical violence against Serbs and Serbia proper.
I do not understand where you get the audacity to speak about violence.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

Again NATO did nothing but watch. Had they fired a single shot at one of the Serbians the game would have changed and this basket case experiment called Kosovo would take a dark turn.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Go and protest this illegal act on Serbia. Good for them. Violence worked for the K-Albanians, which all of Albanian camp forgot about, a couple of border post do not even compare to what the Albanians did in the past to present. Cry me a river, K-Albanians are the experts when it comes to useing violence as a political tool. These people are here to protest, thats all. Now if the Albanians or KPS cause the protesters to do someting then its on them (Albanian side). The north is under Serb control and has been partitioned since day one. For the moment the south is controled by the Albanians, for the moment. Kosovo is Serbia. CCCC! Go Serbia and take back whats your, Kosovo!

Matija

pre 16 godina

While Kosovo IS ours, the violence should stop. It's stupid on both sides. Didn't we learn from the 90's what happened? We get rid of Milosevic..now we have Tadic who is Pro-American..we should just be happy and go on but we can't. I say split Kosovo in two, the North to us and the South to the Albos. I'm just sick of the violence.

smile

pre 16 godina

'if KPS had shot at these criminals, you would have been shouting here about how the albanians are killing'

have you any idea what cops are supposed to do?
there's lots of middle ground between cowardly running away and shooting to kill, you know, for REAL cops :) that is.
crowd control. crowd dispersal. pretty much what kfor is doing.
kps... my goodness :) if they had some pitchforks, now, i'm sure that would be a whole different ballgame.
good luck and cheers ;)

Mike

pre 16 godina

For the love of God, please do not let this escalate into uncontrolable violence. All we need is for the Serb of the north to provoke the Albanians in the south, and you can pretty much write off any Serb communities south of the Ibar. I'm glad no one was killed because yes, if a Serb "volunteer" was killed, all Hell would have broken loose.

Please Serbia, you have a legitimate claim to Kosovo, but do not overplay your hand and end up with less than you can claim now.

Former KFOR

pre 16 godina

I am a former US Army solider and a Serb! I was assigned to KFOR in 1999 and lived in the village of Partes (Kosovo). I was fortunate enough to have been stationed in a Serbian village and was even invited to a local family slava.

I am discusted and outraged with the happenings in Kosovo. I compare it to California and the illegal Mexican immigrants we have there. Should Mexico say, "There are a majority of Mexican's in California now, so we will make it ours?" There is no way in hell the US government would stand for that.
Good luck and God Bless.
Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava

blero

pre 16 godina

have you any idea what cops are supposed to do?
there's lots of middle ground between cowardly running away and shooting to kill, you know, for REAL cops :) that is.

(smile, 21 February 2008 22:22)

Smile,

I guess you are referring to the job that the Serbian Cops did in Kosovo then.
If that is the case then I agree with you.
There is a lot a middle ground:
1. Beating the hell of the demonstrators.
2. Imprisoning everybody you find on the road
3. Running demonstrators over with the Police cars.
4. Going into the houses with tanks
5. Gathering demonstrators in a room and setting fire to it.

Smile, you are right.
None of the above requires any shooting.
KPS knows better than to be provoked by a number of thugs.
The demonstration was peacefully controlled.
This is what REAL cops are supposed to do.
This is a term that Serbian Police is not familiar.
P.S. By the way, how good of the jog is the Serbian Police (the REAL cops) doing when foreign embassies are attacked in the heart of Belgrade.

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

(Joe, 21 February 2008 17:27)

Joe The American

I can see that you are a real defender of the K-Albanians, am happy for you, but have you ever been in Serbia or you are just descovering thru your local medias.
I have realized that in most of your posts you have an interesting kind of racist rethoric and I have asked you some concrete questions, about the US role in this mess and around the world but sofar didn't receive any reply.
Am once more giving you the link of one of the greatest friend of your dear puppet president.
http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=125467

Pls tell me what you think about it?

Jovan

pre 16 godina

Folks,

don´t let guys lik Al-x provoke you... if they have no argument, they come up with the usual serbs-are-evil-... but no word mentioned about international law or the UN-charter.

so, that show what you have to think about writers like al-x or SK who in all seriousness thinks that those socalled kps-thugs would have had a chance... my dear kid, they had to be rescued by KFOR... and the Serbs weren´t even armed...

so, dream on... if you think that this virtual "border" has any meaning...

I think that we will see what the future brings, ...and who will be shown his borders...

lee coleman

pre 16 godina

im british . at least the serbs have got the guts to stand up to america . thats more than i can say for my country . good luck serbia , you dont deserve this .

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

TO frukyy, 21 February 2008 20:20)

am not claiming anything, this is just an article among others that are describing the heavy past of Mr Thaci.
I didn't link him to anything but what I certainly recall is when the previous US administration were calling him and his organisation "terrorists with link to Al-Qaida", so next time read more carefully my post!
Now time for your guys to prove to part of the world that recognize this outlaw action that you have changed overnight.
One thing is sure there hasn't been such a controversial move for a long time, even Irak went easier at least at the begining!!

A92

pre 16 godina

Albanians comments on B92 in the last 4 days are incredibly and beyond funny.

Suddenly these ex-service men are criminals??? LOL

WOW keep it up, B92 is the new comedy network for me. :)

ChicagoUS

pre 16 godina

Im a American none Serb, and cant believe that in a war which created war criminals on all sides, including the former priminester or Kosovo (a albanian), allow the western media together with western goverments to brainwash so many that only the Serbs are to blame, and committed these crimes. This is Serbia's payment for allowing so many Albanians to live within it's border as they fled their inhospitable disaster of a country called Albania.

But the American people are much to smart to be brain washed or tricked by the media and the goverment.. and if you believe that, you must still believe there are Weapons Of Mass Destroction in Iraq.

Marco, Amsterdam

pre 16 godina

PS Not that it's any business of yours, but I'm not "Al-banian".

C'mon Al-x reveal your nationality. Are you American? Or do you belong to the nations whose leaders George W. Bush keeps on a leash? Maybe a close friend of David Miliband (UK minister who did not inform his parliament that the CIA was using British military airports to get prisoners from Afghanistan to Guantanamo Bay)?

John, Florida

pre 16 godina

Googled a bit, trying to find something about the embassy and found this article.
I have a question, it says, ex-servicemen in the title, do they imply ex-servicemen from the Milosevic era? If they do, then those men would be arrested on spot if they entered the borders, wouldn't they? I doubt them being clean in any way since any commander in chief (Milosevic) needs soldiers to implement orders.

So once again, why not let them pass the border, which would give jurisdiction to arrest them. I fail to see the point of not letting them cross.

And for crying out loud, let the embassies alone, you don’t see Albanians attacking Russian, Spanish, Slovak embassies around the world just because they don’t recognize their independence, do you?

A states sovereign right is to recognize another; I think this isolated group of Serb hooligans should get a grip of themselves. In my eyes this has damaged what I thought would be a turning point in Serbian politics when your president spoke of peaceful means of rejecting independence.

When staging a demonstration against the independence of Kosovo then you would either stupid or lacking a clear view of reality in not stepping up security, especially around the embassies. I fear this to create even more anti-serb sentiment in the US. I’m truly, deeply saddened by this.

John,
Collier, Florida

Niall O'Doherty

pre 16 godina

'I guess you are referring to the job that the Serbian Cops did in Kosovo then.
If that is the case then I agree with you.
There is a lot a middle ground:
1. Beating the hell of the demonstrators.
2. Imprisoning everybody you find on the road
3. Running demonstrators over with the Police cars.
4. Going into the houses with tanks
5. Gathering demonstrators in a room and setting fire to it. - blero'

Her we go again another broken record and another argument to be debunked. Now lets see.

1. Beating the hell of the demonstrators.

NOD- yes the Albanian police in Kosmet certainly were/are masters of that in Kosmet. Faciltating in the campaign of intimidation and terror in Kosmet 1974-89 which caused many loyal Yugoslav citizens to flee.

2. Imprisoning everybody you find on the road

NOD - Dunno about you but what happend in 1941-44 when tens of thousands of Jews and Serbs were rounded up by SS Skenderbeg and massacred.

3. Running demonstrators over with the Police cars.

NOD- ditto no. 1

4. Going into the houses with tanks

NOD - Good Lord, if i could fit a tank in my front living room, the neighbours would take me to task over breach of planning laws, not to mention the difficulty of fitting my 3 piece and getting the coffee table all dirty.

5. Gathering demonstrators in a room and setting fire to it.

NOD - Grr, down with them hippie freaks I say. The great unwashed should get a job and stop burning churches.

smile

pre 16 godina

bler, kps is a joke and everyone knows it. they cant do basic policing down there.
serbian police on the other hand are the finest of the fine. they have experience, they have training, they have excellent equipment, maybe some parts of the leadership on higher levels could be better but you cant have it all. serbian police does not and never had any tanks at its disposal. if you are referring to the crimes committed in kosovo in 1999, they were done by the paramilitaries by and large. also,1999 came after decades of terror that albanians subjected the serb population to. look at the hague: serbs are indicted for kosovo for 1999. albanians for war crimes in 1998. one thing is action, another reaction. chronology is crucial here. albanian separatism in our country has been alive for 100 years. macedonia and montenegro are next. but kosovo is serbia.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Hey blero...
Although i can't account for #4 and #5 (which i believe is a fabrication), at least it's safe to say that #1-#3 happened to Serbs that did't obey the law either..
It's called keeping order. In Albanian, it's called repression.

It just depends what side of the lens you're looking through.