Kosovo and Bosnia “not the same”

Just dream Lajcek, just dream. Kosovo independence is also violation of Serbia’s constitution and it was unconstitutional act that the EU supported by all means. Therefore, linking Kosovo with Republika Srpska is absolutely right and very, very constitutional. Once the law is breached it will always be breached and wrapped in the same packet of oppression and unsustainable status. However, this is not going to happen tomorrow but slowly and wisely wait for the right moment. We will wait first Abhkasia, Osetia, Scotland…etc. Our turn is about to come :-)

Uh, I just love this IC's hypocracy applied against the Serbs, but hey- what goes around comes around!

In the end it doesnt matter what Lajcak says. Perhaps if he needs a new job he could apply to become the EU's new supremo in Kosovo.

But seriously doesnt Lajcak's last sentence sound familiar:

'the right to self-determination is not the right to secession'.

Oh yes its what Serbia has been saying about Kosovo for years.

Personal opinions aside EU states knew what risks they were running when recognising Kosovo.

Why are Bosnia's Serbs bound by "peace agreement" and yet Albanians in Kosovo and Macedonia are not bound by such treaties?

It's exactly the same! Any lawyer will tell you that.
No more double standards. The right to self determination is good for everyone in former Yugoslavia except Serbs, according to this logic of Lajcak's.
Good riddance to this fake state called Bosnia, where the majority of its inhabitants don't even want it to exist.
I look forward to Russian recognition of Republika Srpska.
Cheers!

Ben,
Any attempt to abolish RS is also against Dayton, which technically would make it even easier for RS to secede. RS (and RSK) was created to ensure Serbs maintained their rights and were not treated as 2nd class citizens. It was created by nationalist policies of croats and muslims as much as it was by that of Serbs. Let's not kid ourselves, at least Serbs have been living in these areas since they got to the Balkans and didn't illegally migrate in as the Albanians did.

yes it is the same ,its exactly the same that's why its called republica srpska not bosnia...

Croats and Serbs should leave Bosnia NOW!

Kosovo independence violates Serbian constitution. So why not violate Bosnian constiation.

Especially to all CROATS here: push for a seperate Croat entitity in Bosnia. And then split off!

Kosovo? Then also RS and Herzog-Bosna!

The free world is supporting you! George Bush changed the rules: so also for Croats and Serbs.

Good luck! Don't hesitate but GO!!!!

It is disgusting and pathetic to see how these characters pretend to be guardians of the rule of law in the international arena and at the same time they promote and aspire to legitimate such a gross violation of international law as the independence of Kosovo. The biggest and shameful mistake of the EU in its 50 years long history. Serbia is right according to law and therefore justice, the others are not, no matter how much they try to distort law and facts.

Ben,

You mean like the time when Croats in Bosnia tried to create a republic similar to Republic of Srpska and were rudely awaken from their dream by intational community?

There is only one fact that remains - bosnians and croats in Bosnia are stuck together. Serbs already have a republic in Bosnia - a status Kosovo never had.
Therefore Serbs are not stuck with Croats or Bosnians.

So you're right in a way. Kosovo is complitely different. Republic of Srpska has a status of Republica and has a case for separation, unlike Albanians who never had any such status and illegaly amuptated part of Serbia.

Actually, Bosnia has more of a case (Serbian portion) for succession based on the following criteria. The original breakup of Yugoslavia without unanimous consent was against Yugoslavia's constitution and was just as illegal as the Bosnian Serbs creating their own nation. After WWII, Tito (half Croat and half Slovenian) intentionally excluded one third of the entire Serbian population from Serbia proper. Since the world has said that ethnically pure states are acceptable by the mass removal of Serbians in Croatia and Kosovo. I believe the Serbians should have the same rights and not be forced to live with people that remain a threat to them.

I think that all Serbians should live in a larger Serbian state. All Croatians should live in a larger Croatia. The Bosniak Muslims should be given a mini state in the middle of Bosnia. The northern part of Kosovo with Serb populations should remain in Serbia. Kosovo (a large portion) like it or not since the Albanians are there will be an Albian state with the conditions that Serb monasteries and ancient sites are to be protected giving Serbians access to these areas. All forein mercenaries throughout the region need to be expelled and cultural exchanges over the next few decades need to be established between the balkan people to create unity and forgiveness. Everytime a foreign power sticks their noses in our business all of our people suffer. At one time Serbians and Croatians had great relations until the split between the churches and the introduction of German and Turkish influence. Prior to Turkish involvement in the area Albanians and Serbians did not have an antagonistic relationship. Why does Europe and Islam wish to continue creating animosity in this region so that all their suffer?

Sorry guys but you're really stuck with us Bosnian Croats and Muslims. I'm really sorry to pop your bubble and spoil your party, but Bosnia is nowhere near disintegration. Your continued talk of RS secession is only counterproductive to your own aims.

Secession will reward genocide and is something the world will not allow. Also, secession would mark RS' bid to join Serbia. This breaches the Geneva conventions as it would allow land to be forcibly (1990s war) annexed.

In any case, continued talk of a referendum in RS could actually eventuate in the abolishment of the RS itself. So be careful. The EU and UN do not seem to fancy radical Serb expansionism, as has been proved by Kosovo's independence.

Remember that the RS has no historical or cultural significance or basis - but rather is based on genocidal aspirations which were carried out by Karadzic, Mladic, Plavsic and the like.

“The right to self-determination is not the right to secession, as some wish to assess it,” said Lajčak.

Ohh but didnt u hear? US said it is. CCCC

'Bosnia is nowhere near disintegration'

Look at this the other way round. Bosnia is also nowhere near a functioning nation state, as was promised by the internationals.

Rewarding genocide - like the genocide of the American Indians or native Australian population you mean? The hypocracy is breathtaking. Remind me, didnt those 2 contries that evicted their native populations, also recognise Kosovo? Ironic.

Geneva conventions as is international law, (as we have seen) not relevant in deciding whether states will be founded or not. Determination and a referendum will suffice.

Yeah right, if they tried to abolish Republika Srpska now... dont make me laugh, no they arent that foolish! They made a half attempt in the months before recognising Kosovo indepdence and it failed - just because they knew it would be almost impossible to reign Republika Srpska back in afterward. Now its too late.

Historical or cultural basis is also irrelevant. As we have seen in Kosovo what is important is the now and the math.

Ben you have to get with the program, the Serbs are now in the role of underdogs, with all the advantages that brings - see border crossing incident in Kosovo. Now its Lajceks words 'the right to self-determination is not the right to secession' that sound empty.

The internationals invited this latest questioning of Bosnia as a unitary state, by recognising Kosovo.

Personally I am being consistent I supported Kosovo within Serbia and hoped Bosnia could function as a state. Now though, like other moderates, I want universal principles to be applied. Its got nothing to do with nationalism.

Some Bosnian muslums questioned the independence of Kosovo. The world should have listened to them.

I love these talking heads. Its not the same cause I say so. It does not set a prescedent because I say so. God has the world really become so ignorant?

Dear Ben,
why should the Serbian People suffer the consequences of actions and or reactions of Montengrin People such as the former President Slobodan Milosevic and Radovan Karadzic. Both of these fellows are and were born in Montenegro. The last time i checked Montengro has successfully seperated from Serbia. How is that Montengro was able to separate after all their crimes? Secondly, why can't the Serbs in Bosnia separate and join their brothers and sisters in Serbia Proper.

“The right to self-determination is not the right to secession, as some wish to assess it."

Somewhere it is, somewhere it isn't.

I think time has come when players really don't have to stick to any other rules as they choose to pick. Of course acting so means there may be repercussions, but not on "legal" basis.

Very interesting matter itself is the interpretation of law and legality in the case of Serbia. If we see that Serbia has committed crimes during Milosevic era (and also during Tito era?) the way Serbia is now treated means that Serbia has lost the right to be protected by laws. Meaning Serbia only is an object of law, not a subject enjoying protection of law. As a criminal who himself has lost all civil and human rights can be treated without any limitations set by laws and general justice.

So Serbia resembles those chained in Guantanamo.

No matter did I look for a place in EU or not I would not accept to this state of things.

The current Serb majority over a larger area of northern Kosova is simply the result of ethnic cleansing, and should not be recognised. Kosova should allow Leposavic to secede and join Serbia - provided Serbia similarly allows the Albanian-majority municipalities in southern Serbia proper, Presevo and Bujanovac, to secede and join Kosova. But thankfully partition - which really might open a Pandora’s box for border changes in the Balkans - is not going to happen, so any debate about it is a waste of time.
As for whether we are hypocritical for not recognising a similar right to secession for Republika Srpska (Bosnia’s Serb Republic) or Abkhazia: perhaps these two entities could allow back to their homes the roughly half of their respective populations they kicked out in the process of establishing themselves; then perhaps we might discuss the merits of their respective cases. But a country that can only achieve a workable majority in favour of independence by expelling half its population is not a country with any right to that independence.

Perhaps everyone needs to stop and look at the SFRJ constitution prior to Milosevic. There was a right to break off. RS did not exist at that time and so it no does not have that right. It is that simple. That is what the international community has been saying and what the nationalists have been ignoring. By the way, does it not seem stupid that everyone's goal is to unite within the EU, but they all want to split up in order to do so???

No! No! you set the precedent on Sunday and pulled the pin will you now (US/EU) walk away or blow up
up with the grenade? Look at all the venom coming at Sbija.With us or against us
one thing you must admit is that any freedom loving country would not patriotic if it did not do a damn thing and just let it happen without feeling that at least we tried and we went kicking ,screaming and resisting all the way! The stress is extremely high in this horrific and sad moment for SRBIJA.

“The right to self-determination is not the right to secession, as some wish to assess it,” said Lajčak..

Perhaps we can tattoo that comment on your forehead, and send you to State Department..

How can some of you buearacrats sleep at night? You're nothing but bottom feeders..

this guy Lajcek or something like that is the pathetic picture of International Community in Bosnia. Of course is same, because the independence of Kosovo is a violation of the international Law; if they can do it Serbians of Bosnia can do it. Why not, tell me why not. Just because you want... You opened the Pandora box, so you are the responsible for that, this is only the beginning... lets Serbians of Bosnia be whatever they want and YOU Lajcek find a job according to your merits...

Sorry guys but you're really stuck with us Bosnian Croats and Muslims. I'm really sorry to pop your bubble and spoil your party, but Bosnia is nowhere near disintegration. Your continued talk of RS secession is only counterproductive to your own aims.

Secession will reward genocide and is something the world will not allow. Also, secession would mark RS' bid to join Serbia. This breaches the Geneva conventions as it would allow land to be forcibly (1990s war) annexed.

In any case, continued talk of a referendum in RS could actually eventuate in the abolishment of the RS itself. So be careful. The EU and UN do not seem to fancy radical Serb expansionism, as has been proved by Kosovo's independence.

Remember that the RS has no historical or cultural significance or basis - but rather is based on genocidal aspirations which were carried out by Karadzic, Mladic, Plavsic and the like.

The current Serb majority over a larger area of northern Kosova is simply the result of ethnic cleansing, and should not be recognised. Kosova should allow Leposavic to secede and join Serbia - provided Serbia similarly allows the Albanian-majority municipalities in southern Serbia proper, Presevo and Bujanovac, to secede and join Kosova. But thankfully partition - which really might open a Pandora’s box for border changes in the Balkans - is not going to happen, so any debate about it is a waste of time.
As for whether we are hypocritical for not recognising a similar right to secession for Republika Srpska (Bosnia’s Serb Republic) or Abkhazia: perhaps these two entities could allow back to their homes the roughly half of their respective populations they kicked out in the process of establishing themselves; then perhaps we might discuss the merits of their respective cases. But a country that can only achieve a workable majority in favour of independence by expelling half its population is not a country with any right to that independence.

Just dream Lajcek, just dream. Kosovo independence is also violation of Serbia’s constitution and it was unconstitutional act that the EU supported by all means. Therefore, linking Kosovo with Republika Srpska is absolutely right and very, very constitutional. Once the law is breached it will always be breached and wrapped in the same packet of oppression and unsustainable status. However, this is not going to happen tomorrow but slowly and wisely wait for the right moment. We will wait first Abhkasia, Osetia, Scotland…etc. Our turn is about to come :-)

Uh, I just love this IC's hypocracy applied against the Serbs, but hey- what goes around comes around!

“The right to self-determination is not the right to secession, as some wish to assess it."

Somewhere it is, somewhere it isn't.

I think time has come when players really don't have to stick to any other rules as they choose to pick. Of course acting so means there may be repercussions, but not on "legal" basis.

Very interesting matter itself is the interpretation of law and legality in the case of Serbia. If we see that Serbia has committed crimes during Milosevic era (and also during Tito era?) the way Serbia is now treated means that Serbia has lost the right to be protected by laws. Meaning Serbia only is an object of law, not a subject enjoying protection of law. As a criminal who himself has lost all civil and human rights can be treated without any limitations set by laws and general justice.

So Serbia resembles those chained in Guantanamo.

No matter did I look for a place in EU or not I would not accept to this state of things.

yes it is the same ,its exactly the same that's why its called republica srpska not bosnia...

I love these talking heads. Its not the same cause I say so. It does not set a prescedent because I say so. God has the world really become so ignorant?

In the end it doesnt matter what Lajcak says. Perhaps if he needs a new job he could apply to become the EU's new supremo in Kosovo.

But seriously doesnt Lajcak's last sentence sound familiar:

'the right to self-determination is not the right to secession'.

Oh yes its what Serbia has been saying about Kosovo for years.

Personal opinions aside EU states knew what risks they were running when recognising Kosovo.

Croats and Serbs should leave Bosnia NOW!

Kosovo independence violates Serbian constitution. So why not violate Bosnian constiation.

Especially to all CROATS here: push for a seperate Croat entitity in Bosnia. And then split off!

Kosovo? Then also RS and Herzog-Bosna!

The free world is supporting you! George Bush changed the rules: so also for Croats and Serbs.

Good luck! Don't hesitate but GO!!!!

Why are Bosnia's Serbs bound by "peace agreement" and yet Albanians in Kosovo and Macedonia are not bound by such treaties?

Ben,

You mean like the time when Croats in Bosnia tried to create a republic similar to Republic of Srpska and were rudely awaken from their dream by intational community?

There is only one fact that remains - bosnians and croats in Bosnia are stuck together. Serbs already have a republic in Bosnia - a status Kosovo never had.
Therefore Serbs are not stuck with Croats or Bosnians.

So you're right in a way. Kosovo is complitely different. Republic of Srpska has a status of Republica and has a case for separation, unlike Albanians who never had any such status and illegaly amuptated part of Serbia.

'Bosnia is nowhere near disintegration'

Look at this the other way round. Bosnia is also nowhere near a functioning nation state, as was promised by the internationals.

Rewarding genocide - like the genocide of the American Indians or native Australian population you mean? The hypocracy is breathtaking. Remind me, didnt those 2 contries that evicted their native populations, also recognise Kosovo? Ironic.

Geneva conventions as is international law, (as we have seen) not relevant in deciding whether states will be founded or not. Determination and a referendum will suffice.

Yeah right, if they tried to abolish Republika Srpska now... dont make me laugh, no they arent that foolish! They made a half attempt in the months before recognising Kosovo indepdence and it failed - just because they knew it would be almost impossible to reign Republika Srpska back in afterward. Now its too late.

Historical or cultural basis is also irrelevant. As we have seen in Kosovo what is important is the now and the math.

Ben you have to get with the program, the Serbs are now in the role of underdogs, with all the advantages that brings - see border crossing incident in Kosovo. Now its Lajceks words 'the right to self-determination is not the right to secession' that sound empty.

The internationals invited this latest questioning of Bosnia as a unitary state, by recognising Kosovo.

Personally I am being consistent I supported Kosovo within Serbia and hoped Bosnia could function as a state. Now though, like other moderates, I want universal principles to be applied. Its got nothing to do with nationalism.

Some Bosnian muslums questioned the independence of Kosovo. The world should have listened to them.

It's exactly the same! Any lawyer will tell you that.
No more double standards. The right to self determination is good for everyone in former Yugoslavia except Serbs, according to this logic of Lajcak's.
Good riddance to this fake state called Bosnia, where the majority of its inhabitants don't even want it to exist.
I look forward to Russian recognition of Republika Srpska.
Cheers!

Actually, Bosnia has more of a case (Serbian portion) for succession based on the following criteria. The original breakup of Yugoslavia without unanimous consent was against Yugoslavia's constitution and was just as illegal as the Bosnian Serbs creating their own nation. After WWII, Tito (half Croat and half Slovenian) intentionally excluded one third of the entire Serbian population from Serbia proper. Since the world has said that ethnically pure states are acceptable by the mass removal of Serbians in Croatia and Kosovo. I believe the Serbians should have the same rights and not be forced to live with people that remain a threat to them.

I think that all Serbians should live in a larger Serbian state. All Croatians should live in a larger Croatia. The Bosniak Muslims should be given a mini state in the middle of Bosnia. The northern part of Kosovo with Serb populations should remain in Serbia. Kosovo (a large portion) like it or not since the Albanians are there will be an Albian state with the conditions that Serb monasteries and ancient sites are to be protected giving Serbians access to these areas. All forein mercenaries throughout the region need to be expelled and cultural exchanges over the next few decades need to be established between the balkan people to create unity and forgiveness. Everytime a foreign power sticks their noses in our business all of our people suffer. At one time Serbians and Croatians had great relations until the split between the churches and the introduction of German and Turkish influence. Prior to Turkish involvement in the area Albanians and Serbians did not have an antagonistic relationship. Why does Europe and Islam wish to continue creating animosity in this region so that all their suffer?

Ben,
Any attempt to abolish RS is also against Dayton, which technically would make it even easier for RS to secede. RS (and RSK) was created to ensure Serbs maintained their rights and were not treated as 2nd class citizens. It was created by nationalist policies of croats and muslims as much as it was by that of Serbs. Let's not kid ourselves, at least Serbs have been living in these areas since they got to the Balkans and didn't illegally migrate in as the Albanians did.

“The right to self-determination is not the right to secession, as some wish to assess it,” said Lajčak.

Ohh but didnt u hear? US said it is. CCCC

It is disgusting and pathetic to see how these characters pretend to be guardians of the rule of law in the international arena and at the same time they promote and aspire to legitimate such a gross violation of international law as the independence of Kosovo. The biggest and shameful mistake of the EU in its 50 years long history. Serbia is right according to law and therefore justice, the others are not, no matter how much they try to distort law and facts.

Dear Ben,
why should the Serbian People suffer the consequences of actions and or reactions of Montengrin People such as the former President Slobodan Milosevic and Radovan Karadzic. Both of these fellows are and were born in Montenegro. The last time i checked Montengro has successfully seperated from Serbia. How is that Montengro was able to separate after all their crimes? Secondly, why can't the Serbs in Bosnia separate and join their brothers and sisters in Serbia Proper.

No! No! you set the precedent on Sunday and pulled the pin will you now (US/EU) walk away or blow up
up with the grenade? Look at all the venom coming at Sbija.With us or against us
one thing you must admit is that any freedom loving country would not patriotic if it did not do a damn thing and just let it happen without feeling that at least we tried and we went kicking ,screaming and resisting all the way! The stress is extremely high in this horrific and sad moment for SRBIJA.

Perhaps everyone needs to stop and look at the SFRJ constitution prior to Milosevic. There was a right to break off. RS did not exist at that time and so it no does not have that right. It is that simple. That is what the international community has been saying and what the nationalists have been ignoring. By the way, does it not seem stupid that everyone's goal is to unite within the EU, but they all want to split up in order to do so???

“The right to self-determination is not the right to secession, as some wish to assess it,” said Lajčak..

Perhaps we can tattoo that comment on your forehead, and send you to State Department..

How can some of you buearacrats sleep at night? You're nothing but bottom feeders..

this guy Lajcek or something like that is the pathetic picture of International Community in Bosnia. Of course is same, because the independence of Kosovo is a violation of the international Law; if they can do it Serbians of Bosnia can do it. Why not, tell me why not. Just because you want... You opened the Pandora box, so you are the responsible for that, this is only the beginning... lets Serbians of Bosnia be whatever they want and YOU Lajcek find a job according to your merits...