Massive Kosovo rally held in Belgrade

I don't understand why our Serbian Friends with a normal logic can say that Kosova is Serbia, when the international standards clearly say that a region/province/territory/state belongs to the people who live in there. Therefore, Kosova belongs to at least 92% Kosovar Albanians and 5-6% Serbs and around 2% other ethnic groups.

It is clear that the Western Civilisation will not allow that Kosova belongs to anyone else but people of Kosova.
Therefore, these kind of protests and slogans "Kosovo is Serbia" don't help anyone, at least not the Kosova Serbs. It actually gives them wrong hopes and this shows one more effort of Serbian ultranationalist politicians, military and militia manipulating and jeopardizing the future of Serbian Minority in the independent and soverign Kosova.

When the paramilitary groups use violance in the region of Kosova, they put in jeopardy the lives of everybody, in particular the lives of civilians, both Serbs and Albanians.

Belgrade must know that there is a limit to where they can go with pushing people to violence, they must also eventually learn that NATO is seeing them and if the border line is passed by endangering civilian lives, Serbian and Albanian, NATO planes will fly again over Belgrade.

It is said to see that Serbian politicians are so deep in the ultranationalism and unfortunately don't seem to ever learn from their mistakes.

Thank you Serbian Friends,

Gezim

We must stop dreaming about Kosovo. Kosovo is lost. It has been lost for very long time. We can't say world has to defend international law when we have violated international law for past 20 years. Losing Kosovo is the price we have to pay for Srebrenica and for supporting Milosevic in attacking Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo.

Gezim:

By your logic, it would seem that you are ceding the northern part of Kosovo to the serbs. So, as you're a serbian friend, kindly advise Pristina so that there'll be no more confrontations in the north.

And I'm assuming that your definition of 'serbian ultranationist politician' is: anyone who objects to independence for K-albanians.

Wheras a moderate would be someone like Hashim Thaci - who was a member of the KLA back when it was classified as a terrorist organisation?



John S:

Its never too late for negotiations mate - that's how wars get started.

to "Ceda"

Somehow you don't sound like a "SERB" to me at all. Really nice try though.

In war, those who spread
Serbia is in information war and her territory is occupied.

I can understand Albanians who try to keep stolen property as long as they could. No wonder they flock here like bees on a cake. I don't mind that.

Nothing is over, until Serbia writes off Kosovo and give title deed of her territory to extremists. Defeatists try to convince others that everything is already lost.

Trublloni,

You're on the internet. Use it.

Protest illegal and foreceful partition of Serbian Kosovo -

Hague, February 24,
Cleveland, February 24,
WAshington, White House, February 24,
Toronto February 23
Vancouver February 24
Phoenix February 23,
Chicago, Illanois, March 1,
London February 23 (Downing Street - see you down here on Saturday, whoever is in London).

TRAIASCA SERBIA ROMANIA ESTE ALATURI DE VOI KOSOVO ESTE SERBIA

Of course the rally will not make Americans and Brits withdraw their recognition but it could help to make them agree in silence with peaceful partition - with is IMHO the best solution.

All serbs can do is protest. Kostunica and his alikes are trying to play with protests so to get the support of the people for the elections.
As you all see, Tadic's Party is not participating in this protest so this shows how "united" the ruling coalition is.
Perhaps Kostunica will do some empty promises to the serb angry crowds who will probably again destroy some traffic lights or some embassy.

How many people did I see protest on the streets of Belgrade when Russia killed people of Moldova over a piece of corrupt breakaway Transnistria?

But the real point is, Serbia had all those years to come up with a viable plan for the people of Kosovo, but never did so.
Nationalist Serbs never wanted to negotiate. Everything was deadlocked.

Obviously having a mafia leader as the ruler of Kosovo is by no means going to ensure democracy.

So why didn't Serbs do anything before it was too late?

Rolerkoster Man!
There is not much said and shown in the Western World about the events currently happening in Serbia's Kosovo. As a matter of fact, even the sequence of events that has lead to the breakup of Serbia are not properly identified and reported in this part of the world. So please explain to me what you mean when you stipulate that the world views the Serbs as violent and hostile. What i can see is that the western world(North America)is divided and this same parallel is drawn in Europe. So please explain what you mean by "Serbia once again as a motherland of violence"
In addition, i do recall in the past viewing on WESTERN TELEVISION a peacefull demonstration of Serbs but, they were being bombed by the NATO. So how would you propose that the Serbians demonstrate their cause. Maybe a newspaper article?

Serbia will not give up on its territory and this rally is making that clear to the world. Even the great US can be resisted when it is in the wrong. The EU has stepped way out from its usual policy of negotiation.

Serbia will continue to insist on an autonomous government for Kososo, but will ignore the illegal spurious independence.

Serbia now has right on its side. Legally there is no basis for this independence and that will be exploited by Serbia. Serbia will seek to set up an autonomous government within the terms of 1244.

The EU have created a mess that will not go away - there are lots of people who will make sure it does not.

This is not Milosevic any more - this is a democratic Serbia that is strong and capable of acting within the norms of law.

Kosovo is still a province of Serbia.

This is just waste of time kosovo is independant and serbia has to accept that sooner or later nobody is going to withdrawn their desicion end of the story

Gezim, international standards such as the Helsinki final act says that participating states should respect the territorial integrity of each of the participating States. This is reiterated to the specific Serbia/Kosovo issue in UNSC resolution 1244.

It is this agreement that has been disregarded by the likes of the US, UK etc in recognising Kosovo.

Wanting other countries to respect agreements they have already made can hardly be labelled as "ultranationalist".

John S.

"How many people did I see protest on the streets of Belgrade when Russia killed people of Moldova over a piece of corrupt breakaway Transnistria?" How many people did you see protesting about this anywhere?

"But the real point is, Serbia had all those years to come up with a viable plan for the people of Kosovo, but never did so."

Ummmm every plan they came up with was not even considered by the Kosovo Albanians.

"Nationalist Serbs never wanted to negotiate. Everything was deadlocked."

Ummmm they did. It was the Albanians how didn't want to negotiate as they knew if they sit it out delcared independence then their western fan club would recognise them. Which so far is what has happened.

"Obviously having a mafia leader as the ruler of Kosovo is by no means going to ensure democracy." I coincidentally, but appropriately watched the Godfather last Sunday :-)

"So why didn't Serbs do anything before it was too late?" What suggestions do you have that they should have done that they didn't do?

Would representatives of the Serbian government please refrain from indicating that they will not use force.

It's like playing poker with your cards exposed to your opponents. If your enemies realize that you'll simply write lettters of protest, demonstrate and throw rocks at their embassies then they have nothing to fear.

If, however, you threaten to retake what has been stolen from you, if you tell them that you will no longer accept their duplicity nor oversight of the destruction of your people and culture. . .they will listen more intently.

The threat of violence helped sway opinion in favor of the separatists. . .it will do the same for the rightful owners.

Dear Ben,
The reason Serbians and Albanians are foes is in the fact that the Albanians have invaded and accepted the goodwill, financial support and shelter of the Serbian Peoples and in return the Serbians have lost their property and national identity. What does the geographic location of Kosovo and Belgrade,Serbia have to do with the relationship of Serbians and Albanians. The last time i looked at a world map Albania has it's own country and it is located below the Serbia's Province of Kosovo. What kind of an educated statement are you trying to imply?

Why did'nt this rally before last Sunday? In the meantime the photos of riots in BG did go around the world, showing violent chaots and depicting Serbia once again as a motherland of violence. These chaots served the international media, what they needed. And they could not show one singel citizen or intellectual, who opposed these violent chaots! What a shame! The images a peaceful und powerful rally in BG, they come too late. Your chaots already made the job!The images of violence already went around the world.

Ohno,

George Orwell wrote "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

That is actually what U.S. want to do, to falsify Serbian past in order to seal the Serbia's fate in the future.

That's what the creation of narcoterrorist fiefdom on Serbian soil is all about.

The problem is, Serbs know their past. Extremist savages in Kosovo hope that if they destroy Serbian cultural and religious artifacts, they will erase Serbian past. It does not work that way either.

Nor will renaming of all things in Kosovo into bastardized Albanian names change the records in archives and medieval libraries all over the world.

Good luck, Serbia !

Please do not give up and use your brains instead of fights and lies or victimization, as others.

Many people admire you and support you, beyond the false appearances. The history and truth and the law is on your side. Unfortunately, the law is removed in this situation.

With All the Respect.
A Romanian.

I wonder why there is no rally abroad? Is the Serbian diaspora maybe ashamed of what Belgrade has done and is still doing with their evil politics?

'this is also an election rally - smile'

Hit the nail on the head. Not surprising that the pro Western parties have elected to stay away. Can you imagine the reaction if Jovanovic, Labus and Tadic showed up.

What is needed is a big turnout to put further pressure on Tadic and remove any doubts on Serbia's position.

Read foreign press and see what this reminds them of... not only them, but me too... its reminiscent of Slobo era coming back to life

RE: Kosovo is under EU occupation with Albanian extremist terrorist proxies.

Kostunica has made it clear, no Serbian politician including Cedomir Jovanovic accepted the illegal declaration of indpendance.

The league of Nations stood silent in 1938 as the Nazi's marched into the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia.

The English and French stood silent as Nazi Lutwaffe bombed Belgrade in submission in 1941 in the middle of the night.

The United Nations stands silent as the EU invades Kosovo with it's Albanian proxies in 2008.

Albanian KLA terrorists continue to make provocative statements and the theft of Kosovo which didnt' begin in 1999, but in 1941 with Hitler Nazi's and ending with Tito's Communists.

Kosovo is Serbia!

This is an opportunity for the world to stand up and say "NO!" to American hegemony. Apart from the usual servants and those being arm twisted the international community is on the side of Serbia! 50 countries have either said "NO" or are against recognition due to circumstances while only 16 have recognised.

Remember, no recognition means supporting Serbia, so it is expected that about 160 to 170 countries will be on our side with about 30 to 40 against.

Well done to all the Serbs and keep the pressure up! I'll be in London to oppose the government's decision (see you there BKK). It is going against the will of the people!

Keep the faith Serbs, we're with you!

To all the posters here,

Maybe we should look at this with cool heads and assess the facts as they are.
A lot of Serbs either forget or have no idea of 1974 constitution in regards to Kosova.
If you take a moment to read it, it says that the province is a entity of SFRJ with equal rights as other units that formed Yugoslavia. That included the right to self-determination. The province had the same rights as Serbia in all the high forums, including the Presidence. I believe that one Albanian was part of rotation in that Presidency. Even when Yugoslav Kingdom was formed, Kosova wasn't part of Serbia, it was part of Yugoslavia.
Now, don't rush and give me:-Serbia is the official heritage of Yugoslavia. That might be true. However, as the other parts of Yugoslavia, chose to go on their own, so did Kosova.
The hard truth is that the situation is that a country is born on desire of the overwhelming majority to part ways with Serbia. It was not their desire to stay together since the begining.
Kosova belong to the people that live there, not to the ones that stay all day in front of computers and place bets on its future.

As for the respect of international law and charter of rights, I firmly believe that neither Serbia nor Russia are the ones that have something to show for.
Serbia was the one to start 4 wars in the last 20 years. They would have started two more, given the right circumstances.
As for Russia, the history speaks for itself, I don't want to waste time in explaining this.

The USA or EU at least learn from their mistakes and have an established and open democracy. I am afraid you cannot tell the same for the ones that are crying out loud for respect of law.
You can compare, Milosevic, Stalin, Putin with Clinton, Bush, Blair, Sarkozy and so on.
If you are on a sane mind, you would know who is better for this world.
Thank you.

Gezim, with friends like you...

I've never been so proud like today, when I saw the romanian flag waving at the Belgrade rall. I'm proud that our flag was waved by the people of the great, free, and proud Serbian nation. A nation whith glorious past, with history and with great future. Last sunday I saw many american flags waved by a nation without history, without culture and without any future. Some people called this "kosovar". We are with you, brothers serbs. They can take away from u few sq. miles, but they never can take your soul. Kosovo je srce Srbije!

Don't wast the time. The reality can't change and populist policies doesn't bring any good for anyone. Serbia have much experience with populist policy so if it was right policy you should be the luckiest people of Europe.

There are rallies being readied for Australian Serbs. This one is being organized by a Greek but won't take place for a few more days:

http://www.clubparada.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4960

i dont know why serbs they dont think about going together with us kosovans 2 europe and forget about borders they have 2 much hate i dont understant them after all that wars they made and people killed

this is also an election rally, a coalition is made, thank you eu for bringing radicals to power-at last, they tried for years. in the end the eu will have to deal with them, too.
thanks

So much for authority of Kosovo. Our ex militia entered it and albanians ran. Goes to show that its will always be Serbia. CCCC

Wow, that's quite the rhetoric from Kostunica.

"This is how it has been since the dawn of time."

Did time dawn around 500AD when the Serbs arrived in the area?

"This is how it will be forever."

So spake Nostradamus.

"There is no force, no threat, no punishment severe and horrible enough to make any Serb, anywhere, ever say otherwise but – Kosovo is Serbia!"

That's nice, threaten all those who don't agree with you.

Enjoy the second coming of Milosevic. These are words of a true dictator that aims to control his crowds. A sad day for democracy in Serbia.

“….seeing that the regime in Belgrade is still konservative and in denial towards change for the good…”

Ohno, let see do I understand you correctly: I you saying that our government is conservative and doesn’t see change for the better because they are doing what is most important duty of any government, of every country - protecting their own territory? So all of a sudden that’s old fashioned? Show me example then of forward looking modern democracies that doesn’t protect what’s theirs? Germany maybe? Why don’t you divide your land in many small independent states if that is change for the good? You are just growing ever bigger.

rolerkoster, what is a "chaot"?

Smile

You are correct. This rally serves the organisers as a pre-election rally.
But, Europe has not helped this, radicals where already there. Tadic had not to much of say anyhow. So, I think that Radical movement has now trying to officially head the government. It is up to you, if you don’t like it, to change it but font blame the others.

it´s really hard to understand why Serbia is not able to draw a line - put nationalism, Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic Sesselj etc on mothballs - Serbia is part of the european society, take your place, your responsibility and please start the future.

It is very important to note that the protestors that affirm that Kosova is Serbian are NOT LIVING in Kosova but in SERBIA.

The protest itself is in BELGRADE, about 400km FAR from KOSOVA.

This is like my neighbour from the closest city where I live would say that my house is actually his.

This is what makes Albanians and Serbians foes- this is what makes these two nations different.

Just wanted to ensure that everyone here knows that the elections in Serbia are over!!

Serbia giving up Kosovo without any real talks woudl be like the US giving um Texas simply because it has 2/3 rds Mexican population.

The Albanians never really needed to talk they already knew the out come. So why talk!!???

to all interested readers;

Football hooligans used yesterdays demo to attack US embassy and Macdonalds etc....trouble-makers venting frustration....mainly due to US govmt inc. CIA being completed behind creating KLA /NATO mini state for US bondsteel army base + naval base in Albania coming very soon..!! thats why KLA talk about new motorway linking Serbian kosovo to Albania...another illegal act.

I am born and raised in london i will attend demo on saturday 23/02, serbian community has existed in UK for 60 years, Albanians in UK approx 10 years arriving here with Yugoslav passport or fake EU passports as KLA have business in fake ID's, passports plus their global business in heroin drugs via turkey into euro cities where they have set-up their clan/family companys (mainly Zurich, Vienna, Amsterdam)and now London.

So lets all recognise the rights of KLA to start civil war sponsored by US/CIA so they justify their "freedom"... meantime back in London these Albanians have appeared in newspapers, quotes from Daily Mirror in 2003/2004... "Human traffickers buy 2 lithunian women for £2000 each", taken to Sheffield to work as sex slaves after court case in 2006 a young 22 year old albanian, krasniki sent to jail for 9 years, maybe 1 of his clan was in parliament last sunday proclaim his own KLA state?... many other KLA albanians have created major drug trafficking and sex slave networks across Europe and UK, all this done in last 10 years, what a great honourable nation they are!!

Another murder trial in 2007 in Reading (50 miles west of london) where a drug gang with 1 albanian member,these 5 teenagers (16-19 years old), attacked 2 girls (18 and 19) after drug deal went wrong... so these girls suffered 10 hours of torture, even the judge/jury could not read all evidence as it was so disgusting and this was major UK news.

January 2008, another court trial "Tonbridge Security robbery" in the gang of 6 sent to jail for trying to steal £53million, 2 Albanians included in gang. all sent to jail with Albanians coming to UK on false passports and judge recommends these 2 be deported back to their wonderland which is our Serbian kosovo..!!

All this information is absolute fact as it was available in UK press and on TV, but i also know from London Met police about the on-going problems caused by albanians, even a special unit set-up to deal with sex slaves as this has hit london in a big way, and all this just in last 10 years...!!

Meanwhile Serbians have lived in UK for 60 years and we haven't been brought up in a criminal family clan lifestyle..!!

As i say my information is supported by London Met police and all others facts stated in this message.

Best of luck to your KLA sponsored by US/CIA state that your making in our Serbian Kosovo.

To: Trublloni

Here's a youtube video showing Serbs in Canada demonstrating the next day against the unconstitutional declaration of independence from Serbia by the criminal Kosovo Albanians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEUakpYNAhg

[youtube]PEUakpYNAhg[/youtube]

Nobody can ignore the attempts to bring down the Serbs in the privious 6 centuries. Kosovo & Metohija is recognized in Serbia's constitution as an integral part of the nation.


From:
MrGospodin


All official posts from Mr. Gospodin are on youtube.com and wtaworld.com

Dear Ben,
as i stated initially the media does not portray and advise all the details in the Western World. That is why you will hear and view a one sided pro Albanian which equals pro Western view. It was NATO's aggression that expedited the deterioration of Serbia and her Provinces. CNN in North America is biased and does not even mention how and what has happened in the former Yugoslavia. There was practically nothing reported all these years until the Albanians declared to be Independent of Serbia. Why does not CNN explain what, when, how and why there are no Serbs left in Kosovo, Croatia and Slovenia. The recent Serbian protests and events are "kids play" compared to the NATO bombing that Serbia endured. Do you know that the bombing of Serbia was glorified by the Western Media in North America. They made it seem like it was a Reality TV show and they advertised Serbia as a formidable adversary.
Why? are you shocked that the US Embassy is being violated. Would you not agree that all that has happened to Serbia has been caused by the USA. You could say that they are at war with Serbia and have been successful in demonising them globally, resulting, in the manipulation and ultimate support of even the European Nations to follow their stance.
Sorry! but i do not have any more time for this correspondence because i have to go watch CNN on television.

They still believe that Kosovo is theirs. It is not. As long as you don't have your own currency, don't have your own country code for dialing, don't have electricity - you have nothing.

Furthermore, now that the invaders have claimed/deemed independence unavoidable with the backing of the select EU member states, they think they are free, but are not!

This is not an identical case to Estonia. You claim of independence is causing havoc & you are PROVING to the world that you are nothing but trouble with a capital "T".

CCCC

(quote) It was NATO's aggression that expedited the deterioration of Serbia and her Provinces.

Dear Another Serb in Canada, sorry for to flag your incorrect comment, but I think, you abused B92 enough for inhumilating propaganda.

# They still believe that Kosovo is theirs. It is not. As long as you don't have your own currency, don't have your own country code for dialing, don't have electricity - you have nothing.

Furthermore, now that the invaders have claimed/deemed independence unavoidable with the backing of the select EU member states, they think they are free, but are not!

This is not an identical case to Estonia. You claim of independence is causing havoc & you are PROVING to the world that you are nothing but trouble with a capital "T".

CCCC
(GSP, 22 February 2008 01:53)

The world is seeing what a tolerant people these Serbs are. This is how a "democratic" Serbia works:
bombing embassies
burning UN cars
burning border check points
threatening with war
protecting INTERNATIONALLY WAR CRIMINALS (Mladic, Karadzich,etc).

I hope my country (America) cuts your fund (free money), we will see how "mighty" you are.

Yes I was there, all evening, yes I watched the protest and yes I watched the hooligans go on the rampage, I even filmed it. If any anybody is interested it will appear here tomorrow:

www.belgrade.org.yu

What to say, of course we are all disapointed by the hooliganism, but what surprised me more than anything was the coverage from CNN. It turns out that CNN was justifying the actions of protestors, including hooliganism, explaining it in the context of anger of Kosovo.

Some poster mentioned it previously and its sad to say but there is some truth in the idea that the west is impressed by the threat of violence. As both Albanians and Serbs here know, one of the main reasons they awarded Kosovo independence is because they were afraid of Kosovo Albanian reaction - that they would take to the streets, become violent and attack international forces. Obviously they didnt think the Serbs were willing to do this. And now media like CNN are analysing what the west has done wrong to create this sentiment.

Its ironic that bad behaviour is rewarded and good behaviour punished and it shows that western policy actually rewards harliners. That is not good.

Dear Brothers of Serbia, you have to know that Italy, the Italian people, is with you.
The politicians are with Usa. We don't recognize Kosovo as new country. Kosovo is Serbia.

Regarding post # 45.

This response was subjected to Rolerkoster and not Ben!

Well, as Kosovo is likely the birthplace of Serbia I can understand that the people have a stand up position on their heritage and traditions. I'm german and especially in middle europe its quite hard to identify where and when a country was born or where the roots of the nation are at its deepest.
Non the less, I just ask myself how people can put so much effort on the past rather than thinking about every individual future. Many people have problems with that, having rather small hope and trust in themself, seeing that the regime in Belgrade is still konservative and in denial towards change for the good of the many people but just for the small and wealthy upper class. I agree that the demonstration is likely driven by elections. But I see it more like a wish of the many people of Serbia to change something. I hope that Kosovo is not the last drop on an already full barrel.

Keep the faith Serbs, we're with you!
(Grzegorz (Poland), 21 February 2008 21:12)

Grzegorz (Poland)

I thought you might like to see this!

http://www.polskieradio.pl/zagranica/news/artykul76451_Government_to_recognise_Kosovar_independence_on_Tuesday.html

Thank you Poland (exemption -- Grzegorz).

A number of people hit the nail on the head here.

First, Anna is exactly right. These rallies will probably further pressure to politically partition Kosovo. I highly doubt those states that recognized its sovereignty will revoke it. However, there does appear to be a strong potential for power sharing in Kosovo between Pristina and Mitrovica, and if this can be achieved, I'd say it's a gentleman's draw.

Second, smile is right in that this could easily spill into a pre-congressional and pre-municipal election rally. With DS and other definitively pro-Western parties ducking out at the last minute, we could very well see the formation of a coalition between DSS and SRS. I certainly hope not, but we'll see what happens.

Third, Shukri is correrct in calling this rally "populist" which is a far more applicable term for DSS and especially SRS than the worn out "nationalist". There will be no words of war, but rather we'll see Kostunica speaking on behalf of the "Serbian people".

Finally, I really hope this rally is both peaceful and orderly. The student rally was incredibly peaceful, and any outbreaks of violence will just make Serbia look bad in the international media.

Yes, of course , at least Serbian youth got "presents" like Nike, Adidas, Levi's, Gucci, etc, for Kosovo Independence.

Answering "Another Canadian Serb"

Question: So please explain to me what you mean when you stipulate that the world views the Serbs as violent and hostile.
Answer: Look at reports on CNN, for example, or just watch the photos on B92, which is the primary international source for information about Western Balkan, also for many journalists in the world. The media produce and reproduce "the view" - and some Serbs are perfect in reproducing a stereotype view of theor country. Just watch the photos on B92 - and your are going to find evidence for my words.

Question: So please explain what you mean by "Serbia once again as a motherland of violence"
Answer: Today the whole world looks at a burning U.S. embassy in Belgrade - and what should people around the globe think when they watch such "news" from Serbia?

I respect your fight for your nation, as long as you don't agree with violence in Serbia. This kind of backing violent actions and behaviour is one of the main reason for the actual problems of Serbia. If you really want to support your nation, fight the violence and it's proponents in Serbia. Peace!

How many Albanians were participating at this meeting?

None?

it's not the violence or burning of embassies that's scary or hurts the image of Serbia, we all have our own hooligans. It's the deeply troubling speeches from supposedly responsible Serbian politicians. It's words of war, nationalism and the past.

And please people, Kosovo taken without negotiations??? The irresponsible serb (and kosovar) politicians has been draggede to the table for the last many years, but they would rather make a show for the Belgrade scene, the next election and the myths of the past than actually in good faith try to solve the problems facing them and especially facing the kosovo serbs.

Serb politicians has shown almost no goodwill in any of their dealings with the international community for the last many years. Western diplomats have returned from meetings with Serb diplomats, deeply distressed by the lack of constructive input and what to a western seems like a total disconnect from tha reality everybody else is living in.

I'm so sorry for my Serb friends that they have to suffer because of politicians living in a strange alternate reality created 200 years ago, a reality in which you show your manliness with words of war and myths

I don't understand why our Serbian Friends with a normal logic can say that Kosova is Serbia, when the international standards clearly say that a region/province/territory/state belongs to the people who live in there. Therefore, Kosova belongs to at least 92% Kosovar Albanians and 5-6% Serbs and around 2% other ethnic groups.

It is clear that the Western Civilisation will not allow that Kosova belongs to anyone else but people of Kosova.
Therefore, these kind of protests and slogans "Kosovo is Serbia" don't help anyone, at least not the Kosova Serbs. It actually gives them wrong hopes and this shows one more effort of Serbian ultranationalist politicians, military and militia manipulating and jeopardizing the future of Serbian Minority in the independent and soverign Kosova.

When the paramilitary groups use violance in the region of Kosova, they put in jeopardy the lives of everybody, in particular the lives of civilians, both Serbs and Albanians.

Belgrade must know that there is a limit to where they can go with pushing people to violence, they must also eventually learn that NATO is seeing them and if the border line is passed by endangering civilian lives, Serbian and Albanian, NATO planes will fly again over Belgrade.

It is said to see that Serbian politicians are so deep in the ultranationalism and unfortunately don't seem to ever learn from their mistakes.

Thank you Serbian Friends,

Gezim

All serbs can do is protest. Kostunica and his alikes are trying to play with protests so to get the support of the people for the elections.
As you all see, Tadic's Party is not participating in this protest so this shows how "united" the ruling coalition is.
Perhaps Kostunica will do some empty promises to the serb angry crowds who will probably again destroy some traffic lights or some embassy.

This is just waste of time kosovo is independant and serbia has to accept that sooner or later nobody is going to withdrawn their desicion end of the story

How many people did I see protest on the streets of Belgrade when Russia killed people of Moldova over a piece of corrupt breakaway Transnistria?

But the real point is, Serbia had all those years to come up with a viable plan for the people of Kosovo, but never did so.
Nationalist Serbs never wanted to negotiate. Everything was deadlocked.

Obviously having a mafia leader as the ruler of Kosovo is by no means going to ensure democracy.

So why didn't Serbs do anything before it was too late?

We must stop dreaming about Kosovo. Kosovo is lost. It has been lost for very long time. We can't say world has to defend international law when we have violated international law for past 20 years. Losing Kosovo is the price we have to pay for Srebrenica and for supporting Milosevic in attacking Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo.

It is very important to note that the protestors that affirm that Kosova is Serbian are NOT LIVING in Kosova but in SERBIA.

The protest itself is in BELGRADE, about 400km FAR from KOSOVA.

This is like my neighbour from the closest city where I live would say that my house is actually his.

This is what makes Albanians and Serbians foes- this is what makes these two nations different.

Don't wast the time. The reality can't change and populist policies doesn't bring any good for anyone. Serbia have much experience with populist policy so if it was right policy you should be the luckiest people of Europe.

I wonder why there is no rally abroad? Is the Serbian diaspora maybe ashamed of what Belgrade has done and is still doing with their evil politics?

Trublloni,

You're on the internet. Use it.

Protest illegal and foreceful partition of Serbian Kosovo -

Hague, February 24,
Cleveland, February 24,
WAshington, White House, February 24,
Toronto February 23
Vancouver February 24
Phoenix February 23,
Chicago, Illanois, March 1,
London February 23 (Downing Street - see you down here on Saturday, whoever is in London).

To all the posters here,

Maybe we should look at this with cool heads and assess the facts as they are.
A lot of Serbs either forget or have no idea of 1974 constitution in regards to Kosova.
If you take a moment to read it, it says that the province is a entity of SFRJ with equal rights as other units that formed Yugoslavia. That included the right to self-determination. The province had the same rights as Serbia in all the high forums, including the Presidence. I believe that one Albanian was part of rotation in that Presidency. Even when Yugoslav Kingdom was formed, Kosova wasn't part of Serbia, it was part of Yugoslavia.
Now, don't rush and give me:-Serbia is the official heritage of Yugoslavia. That might be true. However, as the other parts of Yugoslavia, chose to go on their own, so did Kosova.
The hard truth is that the situation is that a country is born on desire of the overwhelming majority to part ways with Serbia. It was not their desire to stay together since the begining.
Kosova belong to the people that live there, not to the ones that stay all day in front of computers and place bets on its future.

As for the respect of international law and charter of rights, I firmly believe that neither Serbia nor Russia are the ones that have something to show for.
Serbia was the one to start 4 wars in the last 20 years. They would have started two more, given the right circumstances.
As for Russia, the history speaks for itself, I don't want to waste time in explaining this.

The USA or EU at least learn from their mistakes and have an established and open democracy. I am afraid you cannot tell the same for the ones that are crying out loud for respect of law.
You can compare, Milosevic, Stalin, Putin with Clinton, Bush, Blair, Sarkozy and so on.
If you are on a sane mind, you would know who is better for this world.
Thank you.

Answering "Another Canadian Serb"

Question: So please explain to me what you mean when you stipulate that the world views the Serbs as violent and hostile.
Answer: Look at reports on CNN, for example, or just watch the photos on B92, which is the primary international source for information about Western Balkan, also for many journalists in the world. The media produce and reproduce "the view" - and some Serbs are perfect in reproducing a stereotype view of theor country. Just watch the photos on B92 - and your are going to find evidence for my words.

Question: So please explain what you mean by "Serbia once again as a motherland of violence"
Answer: Today the whole world looks at a burning U.S. embassy in Belgrade - and what should people around the globe think when they watch such "news" from Serbia?

I respect your fight for your nation, as long as you don't agree with violence in Serbia. This kind of backing violent actions and behaviour is one of the main reason for the actual problems of Serbia. If you really want to support your nation, fight the violence and it's proponents in Serbia. Peace!

TRAIASCA SERBIA ROMANIA ESTE ALATURI DE VOI KOSOVO ESTE SERBIA

i dont know why serbs they dont think about going together with us kosovans 2 europe and forget about borders they have 2 much hate i dont understant them after all that wars they made and people killed

'this is also an election rally - smile'

Hit the nail on the head. Not surprising that the pro Western parties have elected to stay away. Can you imagine the reaction if Jovanovic, Labus and Tadic showed up.

What is needed is a big turnout to put further pressure on Tadic and remove any doubts on Serbia's position.

Wow, that's quite the rhetoric from Kostunica.

"This is how it has been since the dawn of time."

Did time dawn around 500AD when the Serbs arrived in the area?

"This is how it will be forever."

So spake Nostradamus.

"There is no force, no threat, no punishment severe and horrible enough to make any Serb, anywhere, ever say otherwise but – Kosovo is Serbia!"

That's nice, threaten all those who don't agree with you.

Enjoy the second coming of Milosevic. These are words of a true dictator that aims to control his crowds. A sad day for democracy in Serbia.

Of course the rally will not make Americans and Brits withdraw their recognition but it could help to make them agree in silence with peaceful partition - with is IMHO the best solution.

Smile

You are correct. This rally serves the organisers as a pre-election rally.
But, Europe has not helped this, radicals where already there. Tadic had not to much of say anyhow. So, I think that Radical movement has now trying to officially head the government. It is up to you, if you don’t like it, to change it but font blame the others.

RE: Kosovo is under EU occupation with Albanian extremist terrorist proxies.

Kostunica has made it clear, no Serbian politician including Cedomir Jovanovic accepted the illegal declaration of indpendance.

The league of Nations stood silent in 1938 as the Nazi's marched into the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia.

The English and French stood silent as Nazi Lutwaffe bombed Belgrade in submission in 1941 in the middle of the night.

The United Nations stands silent as the EU invades Kosovo with it's Albanian proxies in 2008.

Albanian KLA terrorists continue to make provocative statements and the theft of Kosovo which didnt' begin in 1999, but in 1941 with Hitler Nazi's and ending with Tito's Communists.

Kosovo is Serbia!

(quote) It was NATO's aggression that expedited the deterioration of Serbia and her Provinces.

Dear Another Serb in Canada, sorry for to flag your incorrect comment, but I think, you abused B92 enough for inhumilating propaganda.

Yes, of course , at least Serbian youth got "presents" like Nike, Adidas, Levi's, Gucci, etc, for Kosovo Independence.

Keep the faith Serbs, we're with you!
(Grzegorz (Poland), 21 February 2008 21:12)

Grzegorz (Poland)

I thought you might like to see this!

http://www.polskieradio.pl/zagranica/news/artykul76451_Government_to_recognise_Kosovar_independence_on_Tuesday.html

Thank you Poland (exemption -- Grzegorz).

this is also an election rally, a coalition is made, thank you eu for bringing radicals to power-at last, they tried for years. in the end the eu will have to deal with them, too.
thanks

Why did'nt this rally before last Sunday? In the meantime the photos of riots in BG did go around the world, showing violent chaots and depicting Serbia once again as a motherland of violence. These chaots served the international media, what they needed. And they could not show one singel citizen or intellectual, who opposed these violent chaots! What a shame! The images a peaceful und powerful rally in BG, they come too late. Your chaots already made the job!The images of violence already went around the world.

Gezim:

By your logic, it would seem that you are ceding the northern part of Kosovo to the serbs. So, as you're a serbian friend, kindly advise Pristina so that there'll be no more confrontations in the north.

And I'm assuming that your definition of 'serbian ultranationist politician' is: anyone who objects to independence for K-albanians.

Wheras a moderate would be someone like Hashim Thaci - who was a member of the KLA back when it was classified as a terrorist organisation?



John S:

Its never too late for negotiations mate - that's how wars get started.

Well, as Kosovo is likely the birthplace of Serbia I can understand that the people have a stand up position on their heritage and traditions. I'm german and especially in middle europe its quite hard to identify where and when a country was born or where the roots of the nation are at its deepest.
Non the less, I just ask myself how people can put so much effort on the past rather than thinking about every individual future. Many people have problems with that, having rather small hope and trust in themself, seeing that the regime in Belgrade is still konservative and in denial towards change for the good of the many people but just for the small and wealthy upper class. I agree that the demonstration is likely driven by elections. But I see it more like a wish of the many people of Serbia to change something. I hope that Kosovo is not the last drop on an already full barrel.

This is an opportunity for the world to stand up and say "NO!" to American hegemony. Apart from the usual servants and those being arm twisted the international community is on the side of Serbia! 50 countries have either said "NO" or are against recognition due to circumstances while only 16 have recognised.

Remember, no recognition means supporting Serbia, so it is expected that about 160 to 170 countries will be on our side with about 30 to 40 against.

Well done to all the Serbs and keep the pressure up! I'll be in London to oppose the government's decision (see you there BKK). It is going against the will of the people!

I've never been so proud like today, when I saw the romanian flag waving at the Belgrade rall. I'm proud that our flag was waved by the people of the great, free, and proud Serbian nation. A nation whith glorious past, with history and with great future. Last sunday I saw many american flags waved by a nation without history, without culture and without any future. Some people called this "kosovar". We are with you, brothers serbs. They can take away from u few sq. miles, but they never can take your soul. Kosovo je srce Srbije!

# They still believe that Kosovo is theirs. It is not. As long as you don't have your own currency, don't have your own country code for dialing, don't have electricity - you have nothing.

Furthermore, now that the invaders have claimed/deemed independence unavoidable with the backing of the select EU member states, they think they are free, but are not!

This is not an identical case to Estonia. You claim of independence is causing havoc & you are PROVING to the world that you are nothing but trouble with a capital "T".

CCCC
(GSP, 22 February 2008 01:53)

The world is seeing what a tolerant people these Serbs are. This is how a "democratic" Serbia works:
bombing embassies
burning UN cars
burning border check points
threatening with war
protecting INTERNATIONALLY WAR CRIMINALS (Mladic, Karadzich,etc).

I hope my country (America) cuts your fund (free money), we will see how "mighty" you are.

to all interested readers;

Football hooligans used yesterdays demo to attack US embassy and Macdonalds etc....trouble-makers venting frustration....mainly due to US govmt inc. CIA being completed behind creating KLA /NATO mini state for US bondsteel army base + naval base in Albania coming very soon..!! thats why KLA talk about new motorway linking Serbian kosovo to Albania...another illegal act.

I am born and raised in london i will attend demo on saturday 23/02, serbian community has existed in UK for 60 years, Albanians in UK approx 10 years arriving here with Yugoslav passport or fake EU passports as KLA have business in fake ID's, passports plus their global business in heroin drugs via turkey into euro cities where they have set-up their clan/family companys (mainly Zurich, Vienna, Amsterdam)and now London.

So lets all recognise the rights of KLA to start civil war sponsored by US/CIA so they justify their "freedom"... meantime back in London these Albanians have appeared in newspapers, quotes from Daily Mirror in 2003/2004... "Human traffickers buy 2 lithunian women for £2000 each", taken to Sheffield to work as sex slaves after court case in 2006 a young 22 year old albanian, krasniki sent to jail for 9 years, maybe 1 of his clan was in parliament last sunday proclaim his own KLA state?... many other KLA albanians have created major drug trafficking and sex slave networks across Europe and UK, all this done in last 10 years, what a great honourable nation they are!!

Another murder trial in 2007 in Reading (50 miles west of london) where a drug gang with 1 albanian member,these 5 teenagers (16-19 years old), attacked 2 girls (18 and 19) after drug deal went wrong... so these girls suffered 10 hours of torture, even the judge/jury could not read all evidence as it was so disgusting and this was major UK news.

January 2008, another court trial "Tonbridge Security robbery" in the gang of 6 sent to jail for trying to steal £53million, 2 Albanians included in gang. all sent to jail with Albanians coming to UK on false passports and judge recommends these 2 be deported back to their wonderland which is our Serbian kosovo..!!

All this information is absolute fact as it was available in UK press and on TV, but i also know from London Met police about the on-going problems caused by albanians, even a special unit set-up to deal with sex slaves as this has hit london in a big way, and all this just in last 10 years...!!

Meanwhile Serbians have lived in UK for 60 years and we haven't been brought up in a criminal family clan lifestyle..!!

As i say my information is supported by London Met police and all others facts stated in this message.

Best of luck to your KLA sponsored by US/CIA state that your making in our Serbian Kosovo.

A number of people hit the nail on the head here.

First, Anna is exactly right. These rallies will probably further pressure to politically partition Kosovo. I highly doubt those states that recognized its sovereignty will revoke it. However, there does appear to be a strong potential for power sharing in Kosovo between Pristina and Mitrovica, and if this can be achieved, I'd say it's a gentleman's draw.

Second, smile is right in that this could easily spill into a pre-congressional and pre-municipal election rally. With DS and other definitively pro-Western parties ducking out at the last minute, we could very well see the formation of a coalition between DSS and SRS. I certainly hope not, but we'll see what happens.

Third, Shukri is correrct in calling this rally "populist" which is a far more applicable term for DSS and especially SRS than the worn out "nationalist". There will be no words of war, but rather we'll see Kostunica speaking on behalf of the "Serbian people".

Finally, I really hope this rally is both peaceful and orderly. The student rally was incredibly peaceful, and any outbreaks of violence will just make Serbia look bad in the international media.

Would representatives of the Serbian government please refrain from indicating that they will not use force.

It's like playing poker with your cards exposed to your opponents. If your enemies realize that you'll simply write lettters of protest, demonstrate and throw rocks at their embassies then they have nothing to fear.

If, however, you threaten to retake what has been stolen from you, if you tell them that you will no longer accept their duplicity nor oversight of the destruction of your people and culture. . .they will listen more intently.

The threat of violence helped sway opinion in favor of the separatists. . .it will do the same for the rightful owners.

to "Ceda"

Somehow you don't sound like a "SERB" to me at all. Really nice try though.

Read foreign press and see what this reminds them of... not only them, but me too... its reminiscent of Slobo era coming back to life

it´s really hard to understand why Serbia is not able to draw a line - put nationalism, Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic Sesselj etc on mothballs - Serbia is part of the european society, take your place, your responsibility and please start the future.

Dear Ben,
as i stated initially the media does not portray and advise all the details in the Western World. That is why you will hear and view a one sided pro Albanian which equals pro Western view. It was NATO's aggression that expedited the deterioration of Serbia and her Provinces. CNN in North America is biased and does not even mention how and what has happened in the former Yugoslavia. There was practically nothing reported all these years until the Albanians declared to be Independent of Serbia. Why does not CNN explain what, when, how and why there are no Serbs left in Kosovo, Croatia and Slovenia. The recent Serbian protests and events are "kids play" compared to the NATO bombing that Serbia endured. Do you know that the bombing of Serbia was glorified by the Western Media in North America. They made it seem like it was a Reality TV show and they advertised Serbia as a formidable adversary.
Why? are you shocked that the US Embassy is being violated. Would you not agree that all that has happened to Serbia has been caused by the USA. You could say that they are at war with Serbia and have been successful in demonising them globally, resulting, in the manipulation and ultimate support of even the European Nations to follow their stance.
Sorry! but i do not have any more time for this correspondence because i have to go watch CNN on television.

rolerkoster, what is a "chaot"?

So much for authority of Kosovo. Our ex militia entered it and albanians ran. Goes to show that its will always be Serbia. CCCC

Dear Ben,
The reason Serbians and Albanians are foes is in the fact that the Albanians have invaded and accepted the goodwill, financial support and shelter of the Serbian Peoples and in return the Serbians have lost their property and national identity. What does the geographic location of Kosovo and Belgrade,Serbia have to do with the relationship of Serbians and Albanians. The last time i looked at a world map Albania has it's own country and it is located below the Serbia's Province of Kosovo. What kind of an educated statement are you trying to imply?

Gezim, international standards such as the Helsinki final act says that participating states should respect the territorial integrity of each of the participating States. This is reiterated to the specific Serbia/Kosovo issue in UNSC resolution 1244.

It is this agreement that has been disregarded by the likes of the US, UK etc in recognising Kosovo.

Wanting other countries to respect agreements they have already made can hardly be labelled as "ultranationalist".

John S.

"How many people did I see protest on the streets of Belgrade when Russia killed people of Moldova over a piece of corrupt breakaway Transnistria?" How many people did you see protesting about this anywhere?

"But the real point is, Serbia had all those years to come up with a viable plan for the people of Kosovo, but never did so."

Ummmm every plan they came up with was not even considered by the Kosovo Albanians.

"Nationalist Serbs never wanted to negotiate. Everything was deadlocked."

Ummmm they did. It was the Albanians how didn't want to negotiate as they knew if they sit it out delcared independence then their western fan club would recognise them. Which so far is what has happened.

"Obviously having a mafia leader as the ruler of Kosovo is by no means going to ensure democracy." I coincidentally, but appropriately watched the Godfather last Sunday :-)

"So why didn't Serbs do anything before it was too late?" What suggestions do you have that they should have done that they didn't do?

Rolerkoster Man!
There is not much said and shown in the Western World about the events currently happening in Serbia's Kosovo. As a matter of fact, even the sequence of events that has lead to the breakup of Serbia are not properly identified and reported in this part of the world. So please explain to me what you mean when you stipulate that the world views the Serbs as violent and hostile. What i can see is that the western world(North America)is divided and this same parallel is drawn in Europe. So please explain what you mean by "Serbia once again as a motherland of violence"
In addition, i do recall in the past viewing on WESTERN TELEVISION a peacefull demonstration of Serbs but, they were being bombed by the NATO. So how would you propose that the Serbians demonstrate their cause. Maybe a newspaper article?

In war, those who spread
Serbia is in information war and her territory is occupied.

I can understand Albanians who try to keep stolen property as long as they could. No wonder they flock here like bees on a cake. I don't mind that.

Nothing is over, until Serbia writes off Kosovo and give title deed of her territory to extremists. Defeatists try to convince others that everything is already lost.

There are rallies being readied for Australian Serbs. This one is being organized by a Greek but won't take place for a few more days:

http://www.clubparada.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4960

Good luck, Serbia !

Please do not give up and use your brains instead of fights and lies or victimization, as others.

Many people admire you and support you, beyond the false appearances. The history and truth and the law is on your side. Unfortunately, the law is removed in this situation.

With All the Respect.
A Romanian.

Serbia will not give up on its territory and this rally is making that clear to the world. Even the great US can be resisted when it is in the wrong. The EU has stepped way out from its usual policy of negotiation.

Serbia will continue to insist on an autonomous government for Kososo, but will ignore the illegal spurious independence.

Serbia now has right on its side. Legally there is no basis for this independence and that will be exploited by Serbia. Serbia will seek to set up an autonomous government within the terms of 1244.

The EU have created a mess that will not go away - there are lots of people who will make sure it does not.

This is not Milosevic any more - this is a democratic Serbia that is strong and capable of acting within the norms of law.

Kosovo is still a province of Serbia.

Gezim, with friends like you...

To: Trublloni

Here's a youtube video showing Serbs in Canada demonstrating the next day against the unconstitutional declaration of independence from Serbia by the criminal Kosovo Albanians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEUakpYNAhg

[youtube]PEUakpYNAhg[/youtube]

Nobody can ignore the attempts to bring down the Serbs in the privious 6 centuries. Kosovo & Metohija is recognized in Serbia's constitution as an integral part of the nation.


From:
MrGospodin


All official posts from Mr. Gospodin are on youtube.com and wtaworld.com

Just wanted to ensure that everyone here knows that the elections in Serbia are over!!

Serbia giving up Kosovo without any real talks woudl be like the US giving um Texas simply because it has 2/3 rds Mexican population.

The Albanians never really needed to talk they already knew the out come. So why talk!!???

Ohno,

George Orwell wrote "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

That is actually what U.S. want to do, to falsify Serbian past in order to seal the Serbia's fate in the future.

That's what the creation of narcoterrorist fiefdom on Serbian soil is all about.

The problem is, Serbs know their past. Extremist savages in Kosovo hope that if they destroy Serbian cultural and religious artifacts, they will erase Serbian past. It does not work that way either.

Nor will renaming of all things in Kosovo into bastardized Albanian names change the records in archives and medieval libraries all over the world.

Keep the faith Serbs, we're with you!

“….seeing that the regime in Belgrade is still konservative and in denial towards change for the good…”

Ohno, let see do I understand you correctly: I you saying that our government is conservative and doesn’t see change for the better because they are doing what is most important duty of any government, of every country - protecting their own territory? So all of a sudden that’s old fashioned? Show me example then of forward looking modern democracies that doesn’t protect what’s theirs? Germany maybe? Why don’t you divide your land in many small independent states if that is change for the good? You are just growing ever bigger.

Regarding post # 45.

This response was subjected to Rolerkoster and not Ben!

They still believe that Kosovo is theirs. It is not. As long as you don't have your own currency, don't have your own country code for dialing, don't have electricity - you have nothing.

Furthermore, now that the invaders have claimed/deemed independence unavoidable with the backing of the select EU member states, they think they are free, but are not!

This is not an identical case to Estonia. You claim of independence is causing havoc & you are PROVING to the world that you are nothing but trouble with a capital "T".

CCCC

Yes I was there, all evening, yes I watched the protest and yes I watched the hooligans go on the rampage, I even filmed it. If any anybody is interested it will appear here tomorrow:

www.belgrade.org.yu

What to say, of course we are all disapointed by the hooliganism, but what surprised me more than anything was the coverage from CNN. It turns out that CNN was justifying the actions of protestors, including hooliganism, explaining it in the context of anger of Kosovo.

Some poster mentioned it previously and its sad to say but there is some truth in the idea that the west is impressed by the threat of violence. As both Albanians and Serbs here know, one of the main reasons they awarded Kosovo independence is because they were afraid of Kosovo Albanian reaction - that they would take to the streets, become violent and attack international forces. Obviously they didnt think the Serbs were willing to do this. And now media like CNN are analysing what the west has done wrong to create this sentiment.

Its ironic that bad behaviour is rewarded and good behaviour punished and it shows that western policy actually rewards harliners. That is not good.

How many Albanians were participating at this meeting?

None?

it's not the violence or burning of embassies that's scary or hurts the image of Serbia, we all have our own hooligans. It's the deeply troubling speeches from supposedly responsible Serbian politicians. It's words of war, nationalism and the past.

And please people, Kosovo taken without negotiations??? The irresponsible serb (and kosovar) politicians has been draggede to the table for the last many years, but they would rather make a show for the Belgrade scene, the next election and the myths of the past than actually in good faith try to solve the problems facing them and especially facing the kosovo serbs.

Serb politicians has shown almost no goodwill in any of their dealings with the international community for the last many years. Western diplomats have returned from meetings with Serb diplomats, deeply distressed by the lack of constructive input and what to a western seems like a total disconnect from tha reality everybody else is living in.

I'm so sorry for my Serb friends that they have to suffer because of politicians living in a strange alternate reality created 200 years ago, a reality in which you show your manliness with words of war and myths

Dear Brothers of Serbia, you have to know that Italy, the Italian people, is with you.
The politicians are with Usa. We don't recognize Kosovo as new country. Kosovo is Serbia.