Hold on there Ajsel.
I am Albanian and if I were you (supposing you are Albanian too), I wouldn’t be sooo grateful of the Germans. I wouldn’t even be sooo grateful of Europe, especially the countries that had decisive powers at the time when the Balkan borders were drawn. It was Europe in the first place who sacrificed the Albanians and their lands to satisfy the appetite of our neighbors.
As for the Nazis, they just wanted to use the Albanians as collaborators. But only a small minority fell into their trap.
We may say that comparing to the Serb rule theirs was haven but nevertheless they were occupiers.
We should forever be grateful to our Albanian heroes for Kosova’s independence.
Europe is not doing us any favor really. Europe is barely doing what they should have done a hundred years ago. Whatever help (political or economical) they offer Kosova,
will not make up for a hundred years of suffering.
And we should definitely be grateful to the USA.
God bless Kosova!
I know history, and I say again, how can you be proud that Nazi Germany backed you? They murdered millions of Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Russians, Serbs, other social "undesirables", political prisoners, handicapped etc. Maybe they did not target Albanians, but that does not make them any better at all.
BTW Hitler wanted to destroy Slavic influence by destroying the three most powerful Slavic states: Russia (then Soviet Union), Poland and Serbia (then Yugoslavia). He even allied with other Slavic states like Slovakia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia & Herzegovina and Ukraine to achieve this. Albanians were just a tool he used to try and achieve his goal, among many others.
if kosova has to live with a "taiwan-like" status, we'll live w/it because it's far & away much better then how it was prior to sunday.
another point worth noting for serbia is that if you drag your feet with russia & china, what makes you think that the other EU nations that are for kosove will ever vote you into the EU?
albanians in kosove always have that ace up our sleeve if push comes to shove with regards to a seat at the UN.
afterall, we do have a nation called albania with a seat at the UN and if it drags out as some of you seem to think it might, well we can always go back to the original flag. the point is that either way...serbia loses!
Then I have to say that I personally watch News services that are outdated (CNN, BBC, VIO, B92) , I never ever heard any of the Serb Politicians saying that there was oppression(crimes against humanity), in Kosovo. Proof me wrong!!!
And let alone the war in Cro/Bos I was specifically interested in Kosovo. In the end, its like everyone has seen the movie, and remembers it by heart, it seems that only you Serbs ( who had the leading role), do not want to admit that you were leading the orchestra.
But I do understand you, your not around (most probably in another continent), and whatever it was served to you was not questioned.
Of course, I am not protecting anyone here, I am not saying that my people are angels, but again, we have at least contributed to the process of reconciliation.
And I don’t understand why one should be shocked when someone ASKS FOR AN apology?? I consider it normal, don’t you people??
to roger7 and to peter sudyka if you knew the history then you would not make this comment because in ww2 the germans did not kill albanians but they did kill a big number of serbs and to david jovanovic i personaly never seen that any serbian apologised to what they done in kosova
For youre sake i never hope it gets to the IMF, cuz in an IMF case the Serbs will have to be paid compesation for the loss off kosovo and it's riches.
This has happend before and will happen to kosovo, you will be paying serbia for the next 50 years to come.
Declaring independence doesn't mean you automaticly owner off all that is in Kosovo, even before you can become an member off the IMF you will have to recognize Serbia's property's, after that the IMF will rule how much damage payments Kosovo will have to make.
That is the price for uni-lateral independence, now you will have to comply to the worlds rules and they are simply NOT in youre favor because you declared independence without consent off Serbia.
So welcome to the big world off nasty rules where even the US can't protect you
Sure you can ignore the IMF ruling, but then the EU will never ever accept you as an member (which is not likely anyway)
"Thank you germany we always new that you are going to back us like you did in the world war two
(ajsel, 20 February 2008 13:35)"
"I wish my grandfather Ahmet was alive to hear that germany recognized Independence of Kosova.
(Valka, Vushtrri, 20 February 2008 14:44) "
Your grandfather Ahmet most likely collaborated with the Nazis during WWII when Kosovo was "independent" for a while and during which time much more Serbs were slaughtered than Kosovo Albanians in 1999. It is indeed nothing to be proud of to know that you were supported by the Nazis. This clearly shows that Kosovo Albanians and their society have clear fascists characteristics. Stevo, you said it all and many people in Western Europe had and have no clue how brutal WWII has been in Yugoslavia and that Serbs were punished like you cannot believe it because they stood up against Nazi Germany instead of joining it, because they were Serbs and because Slavic people were considered "Untermenschen" by the Nazis. I am afraid that Kosovo Albanians still think in those terms and for people like there there is no place in the EU. Please spare me any comments about your wishes for a multi-ethnic society. I encourage Kosovo, even though the have no authority to do so, to recognize Taiwan and Northern Cyprus as one person suggested. That will for sure kill your hope to ever become a member of the UN and the EU.
The list is growing very fast by Senegal,Malaysia,Belgium,Estonia,Latvia, Lithuania,Hungary...soon we will have more than 100 countries who will recognize Repubic of Kosova.
Albania should recognize Taiwan and Northen Cyprus,so that way China and South Cyprus will shout up.
Ahmet, I hope you are right, but at this point it doesn't matter whether 100 countries will recognize Kosova in 2 weeks or 10 months or 2 years. What the independence declaration did is that it turned the tables on Serbia: Now time works for the Albanians not Serbs. EULEX started already, and the Parliament is working on the Ahtisaari laws, with citizenship, passports, Foreign and Defense ministries, on top of the competencies that UNMIK had already passed to the Kosova's Govt. Serbs can keep railing about the billions they own in Kosova, but pending an international arbitrage, Kosova Govt will be the legal owner of state property in Kosova, handle and cash in from the privatizations etc. Serbia can keep paying the foreign debt as long as considers Kosova its territory, but the moment it goes to the IMF and World Bank to re-negotiate, or the moment it goes to the international arbitrage for properties, it would have to recognize Kosova as an independent state.
Meanwhile the FM's job would be exactly to secure wide recognition. And sooner or later it will be forthcoming. The word "never" doesn't exist in diplomacy. Governments change, policies change, for things far bigger than the recognition of a foreign country. You'll see, even Spain and Cyprus will come around eventually.
It took so long for Germany and other Europian countries to recognize what they should have done long time ago. But Better Late Than Never! Thank you to all the countries that are supporting Kosova's independence.
In fact if you ever bother to watch what Serbs say then you would know that we Serbs were in shock at just how many times Tadic apologised for the Serbian responsible killings through the war from 1991 – 1999 while he was in the USA for his first visit.
The Serbs in the US joked that he did precious little to help our cause because he apologised at every opportunity, which, inside information, told me that even the US state department felt slightly embarrassed by this.
Furthermore, in 2002 Mira Beham of Serbia tried to lobby the international arena, including Religious bodies, to set up a truth commission in order for the Serbs to stand up with the Croats and the others who were guilty for the terrible killings through the 90’s. Nobody gave her the time of day, as this would have meant that too many myths would have been exposed and dead Serbs would have popped up all over the place – which is not to be known, as it does not fit in with the CNN bible of the Balkan wars of 91-99.
So please – cite the terrible crimes that we perpetrated against others during this time but don’t tell me that we have not apologised for them, as that is simply not true.
As for your precious Germany. It could not wait to bring down the wall in its spirit of reunifying with lost parts of the country. This ironically has gone to virtually bankrupt the entire country and the voices are now being heard from people who would put the damn wall up again tomorrow. At the same time as Merkel enjoys the reunification she is aiding and abetting the illegal breakaway of Kosovo. Strange politics indeed!
To all the Albanian posters: even if you do get UN recognition, your state can only survive with financial help from western countries. As you may or may not know, experts are predicting that the western world is heading for an economical crisis, which means that sooner or later the west will simply stop sending you dollars, pounds or euros (kroner in the case of Norway). Also, posters saying that Kosovo is rich in natural resources better keep quiet. Your "friend" the USA may hear you and will demand to exploit your mines in return for only a fistful of dollars. Sorry to say this but Americans (and this especially pertains to George Walker Bush and his chums) are no philantropists...
Thanks Germany.
By March 10 2008, over 100 countries will recognize Kosova.
Beleive me we going to master 2/3 majority in UN General Assembly in short period of time.One country can not over rule 2/3 majority in UN Assembly.Will see what future will bring.
(Ahmet Isufi, 20 February 2008 14:49)
===========================
Ever heard off an VETO, Russia AND China both have VETO rights, they can overthrow ANY decision, no matter how many country's support you, unless you get backing of every state that has VETO right you will never get the UN to recognize you.
The same goes for the EU membership, unless ALL EU members agree, there is not going to be an membership for Kosovo in the EU.
And as it now stands the most country's dont even want more members in the EU, so even if Kosovo wasn't disputed, then membership off the EU would be very unlikely.
When USA and UK attacked Iraq, many western European countries openly voiced their concern and objections to this despite hundred times more pressure coming from US and UK than there is pressure to recognized Kosovo. Still these countries stood up to US and Uk, but are still recognizing Kosovo.
Stevo whatever happened in WW2 was different story, remember, USA, Great Britain went to fight the Germans to save France and whole europe, today they stand together when it comes to ballkans. One more thing Stevo: with Kosovo as Independent State the ballkans is over with breaking up of former Yugoslavia, I remember you guys back in early 90's saying that Croatia, Bosnia were serbian cradle of civilization.
Congratulations to the recognition by Germany. This is a very important one for you. Astria, Norway followed and many others in the coming days. Very soon you will have all the important and developed countries, who will help to consolidate your country in the future.
The United Nations Charter outlines the rules for membership:
1. Membership in the United Nations is open to all other peace-loving states which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.
2. The admission of any such state to membership in the United Nations will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.
—United Nations Charter, Chapter 2, Article 4
ajsel
"thank you germany we always new that you are going to back us like you did in the world war two"
Is the fact that Nazi Germany backed you in World War II something to be proud of?
to stevo in serbia you say tante za tante so do your country ever thing to apologies to bosnian and kosovan people for killings they did in 90's i dont thing so and in germany it was long time ago it was hitlers regime and that has changed but it seems in serbia milosevic still lives but in different person
Thanks Germany.
By March 10 2008, over 100 countries will recognize Kosova.
Beleive me we going to master 2/3 majority in UN General Assembly in short period of time.One country can not over rule 2/3 majority in UN Assembly.Will see what future will bring.
Stevo,
Germany did what is right for the interest of German people and its interest in Balkans, lets say that Germany and other EU Superpowers are correcting their mistakes done in early 20th century. . We Newborns, thank them for that. As per the apologies, if you ask from someone an apology for a thing that happened more than half a century ago, then you should ask what your people did, just 8 years ago. I think You know to whom you owe an apology???
Germany can recognize what it likes, but I note that one thing Germany does not recognize is that their armed forced slaughtered thousands of Serb civilians from 1941-45 and they NEVER apologized to the Serbian people for what they did. Hitler singled out the Serbs for special punishment in resisting his Third Reich, with 100 Serbs executed - including children to 'make up the numbers' - for every German soldier killed in ambush and 10 Serbs executed for every German soldier wounded in ambush. Where is the apology?
Whatever Germany chooses to recognize, they continue to fail to recognize what they have done to the Serbian people in the past.
Germany can recognize what it likes, but I note that one thing Germany does not recognize is that their armed forced slaughtered thousands of Serb civilians from 1941-45 and they NEVER apologized to the Serbian people for what they did. Hitler singled out the Serbs for special punishment in resisting his Third Reich, with 100 Serbs executed - including children to 'make up the numbers' - for every German soldier killed in ambush and 10 Serbs executed for every German soldier wounded in ambush. Where is the apology?
Whatever Germany chooses to recognize, they continue to fail to recognize what they have done to the Serbian people in the past.
Stevo,
Germany did what is right for the interest of German people and its interest in Balkans, lets say that Germany and other EU Superpowers are correcting their mistakes done in early 20th century. . We Newborns, thank them for that. As per the apologies, if you ask from someone an apology for a thing that happened more than half a century ago, then you should ask what your people did, just 8 years ago. I think You know to whom you owe an apology???
Congratulations to the recognition by Germany. This is a very important one for you. Astria, Norway followed and many others in the coming days. Very soon you will have all the important and developed countries, who will help to consolidate your country in the future.
When USA and UK attacked Iraq, many western European countries openly voiced their concern and objections to this despite hundred times more pressure coming from US and UK than there is pressure to recognized Kosovo. Still these countries stood up to US and Uk, but are still recognizing Kosovo.
Thanks Germany.
By March 10 2008, over 100 countries will recognize Kosova.
Beleive me we going to master 2/3 majority in UN General Assembly in short period of time.One country can not over rule 2/3 majority in UN Assembly.Will see what future will bring.
"Thank you germany we always new that you are going to back us like you did in the world war two
(ajsel, 20 February 2008 13:35)"
"I wish my grandfather Ahmet was alive to hear that germany recognized Independence of Kosova.
(Valka, Vushtrri, 20 February 2008 14:44) "
Your grandfather Ahmet most likely collaborated with the Nazis during WWII when Kosovo was "independent" for a while and during which time much more Serbs were slaughtered than Kosovo Albanians in 1999. It is indeed nothing to be proud of to know that you were supported by the Nazis. This clearly shows that Kosovo Albanians and their society have clear fascists characteristics. Stevo, you said it all and many people in Western Europe had and have no clue how brutal WWII has been in Yugoslavia and that Serbs were punished like you cannot believe it because they stood up against Nazi Germany instead of joining it, because they were Serbs and because Slavic people were considered "Untermenschen" by the Nazis. I am afraid that Kosovo Albanians still think in those terms and for people like there there is no place in the EU. Please spare me any comments about your wishes for a multi-ethnic society. I encourage Kosovo, even though the have no authority to do so, to recognize Taiwan and Northern Cyprus as one person suggested. That will for sure kill your hope to ever become a member of the UN and the EU.
The United Nations Charter outlines the rules for membership:
1. Membership in the United Nations is open to all other peace-loving states which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.
2. The admission of any such state to membership in the United Nations will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.
—United Nations Charter, Chapter 2, Article 4
ajsel
"thank you germany we always new that you are going to back us like you did in the world war two"
Is the fact that Nazi Germany backed you in World War II something to be proud of?
Thanks Germany.
By March 10 2008, over 100 countries will recognize Kosova.
Beleive me we going to master 2/3 majority in UN General Assembly in short period of time.One country can not over rule 2/3 majority in UN Assembly.Will see what future will bring.
(Ahmet Isufi, 20 February 2008 14:49)
===========================
Ever heard off an VETO, Russia AND China both have VETO rights, they can overthrow ANY decision, no matter how many country's support you, unless you get backing of every state that has VETO right you will never get the UN to recognize you.
The same goes for the EU membership, unless ALL EU members agree, there is not going to be an membership for Kosovo in the EU.
And as it now stands the most country's dont even want more members in the EU, so even if Kosovo wasn't disputed, then membership off the EU would be very unlikely.
In fact if you ever bother to watch what Serbs say then you would know that we Serbs were in shock at just how many times Tadic apologised for the Serbian responsible killings through the war from 1991 – 1999 while he was in the USA for his first visit.
The Serbs in the US joked that he did precious little to help our cause because he apologised at every opportunity, which, inside information, told me that even the US state department felt slightly embarrassed by this.
Furthermore, in 2002 Mira Beham of Serbia tried to lobby the international arena, including Religious bodies, to set up a truth commission in order for the Serbs to stand up with the Croats and the others who were guilty for the terrible killings through the 90’s. Nobody gave her the time of day, as this would have meant that too many myths would have been exposed and dead Serbs would have popped up all over the place – which is not to be known, as it does not fit in with the CNN bible of the Balkan wars of 91-99.
So please – cite the terrible crimes that we perpetrated against others during this time but don’t tell me that we have not apologised for them, as that is simply not true.
As for your precious Germany. It could not wait to bring down the wall in its spirit of reunifying with lost parts of the country. This ironically has gone to virtually bankrupt the entire country and the voices are now being heard from people who would put the damn wall up again tomorrow. At the same time as Merkel enjoys the reunification she is aiding and abetting the illegal breakaway of Kosovo. Strange politics indeed!
To all the Albanian posters: even if you do get UN recognition, your state can only survive with financial help from western countries. As you may or may not know, experts are predicting that the western world is heading for an economical crisis, which means that sooner or later the west will simply stop sending you dollars, pounds or euros (kroner in the case of Norway). Also, posters saying that Kosovo is rich in natural resources better keep quiet. Your "friend" the USA may hear you and will demand to exploit your mines in return for only a fistful of dollars. Sorry to say this but Americans (and this especially pertains to George Walker Bush and his chums) are no philantropists...
to stevo in serbia you say tante za tante so do your country ever thing to apologies to bosnian and kosovan people for killings they did in 90's i dont thing so and in germany it was long time ago it was hitlers regime and that has changed but it seems in serbia milosevic still lives but in different person
For youre sake i never hope it gets to the IMF, cuz in an IMF case the Serbs will have to be paid compesation for the loss off kosovo and it's riches.
This has happend before and will happen to kosovo, you will be paying serbia for the next 50 years to come.
Declaring independence doesn't mean you automaticly owner off all that is in Kosovo, even before you can become an member off the IMF you will have to recognize Serbia's property's, after that the IMF will rule how much damage payments Kosovo will have to make.
That is the price for uni-lateral independence, now you will have to comply to the worlds rules and they are simply NOT in youre favor because you declared independence without consent off Serbia.
So welcome to the big world off nasty rules where even the US can't protect you
Sure you can ignore the IMF ruling, but then the EU will never ever accept you as an member (which is not likely anyway)
I know history, and I say again, how can you be proud that Nazi Germany backed you? They murdered millions of Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Russians, Serbs, other social "undesirables", political prisoners, handicapped etc. Maybe they did not target Albanians, but that does not make them any better at all.
BTW Hitler wanted to destroy Slavic influence by destroying the three most powerful Slavic states: Russia (then Soviet Union), Poland and Serbia (then Yugoslavia). He even allied with other Slavic states like Slovakia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia & Herzegovina and Ukraine to achieve this. Albanians were just a tool he used to try and achieve his goal, among many others.
Stevo whatever happened in WW2 was different story, remember, USA, Great Britain went to fight the Germans to save France and whole europe, today they stand together when it comes to ballkans. One more thing Stevo: with Kosovo as Independent State the ballkans is over with breaking up of former Yugoslavia, I remember you guys back in early 90's saying that Croatia, Bosnia were serbian cradle of civilization.
The list is growing very fast by Senegal,Malaysia,Belgium,Estonia,Latvia, Lithuania,Hungary...soon we will have more than 100 countries who will recognize Repubic of Kosova.
Albania should recognize Taiwan and Northen Cyprus,so that way China and South Cyprus will shout up.
Ahmet, I hope you are right, but at this point it doesn't matter whether 100 countries will recognize Kosova in 2 weeks or 10 months or 2 years. What the independence declaration did is that it turned the tables on Serbia: Now time works for the Albanians not Serbs. EULEX started already, and the Parliament is working on the Ahtisaari laws, with citizenship, passports, Foreign and Defense ministries, on top of the competencies that UNMIK had already passed to the Kosova's Govt. Serbs can keep railing about the billions they own in Kosova, but pending an international arbitrage, Kosova Govt will be the legal owner of state property in Kosova, handle and cash in from the privatizations etc. Serbia can keep paying the foreign debt as long as considers Kosova its territory, but the moment it goes to the IMF and World Bank to re-negotiate, or the moment it goes to the international arbitrage for properties, it would have to recognize Kosova as an independent state.
Meanwhile the FM's job would be exactly to secure wide recognition. And sooner or later it will be forthcoming. The word "never" doesn't exist in diplomacy. Governments change, policies change, for things far bigger than the recognition of a foreign country. You'll see, even Spain and Cyprus will come around eventually.
Then I have to say that I personally watch News services that are outdated (CNN, BBC, VIO, B92) , I never ever heard any of the Serb Politicians saying that there was oppression(crimes against humanity), in Kosovo. Proof me wrong!!!
And let alone the war in Cro/Bos I was specifically interested in Kosovo. In the end, its like everyone has seen the movie, and remembers it by heart, it seems that only you Serbs ( who had the leading role), do not want to admit that you were leading the orchestra.
But I do understand you, your not around (most probably in another continent), and whatever it was served to you was not questioned.
Of course, I am not protecting anyone here, I am not saying that my people are angels, but again, we have at least contributed to the process of reconciliation.
And I don’t understand why one should be shocked when someone ASKS FOR AN apology?? I consider it normal, don’t you people??
It took so long for Germany and other Europian countries to recognize what they should have done long time ago. But Better Late Than Never! Thank you to all the countries that are supporting Kosova's independence.
if kosova has to live with a "taiwan-like" status, we'll live w/it because it's far & away much better then how it was prior to sunday.
another point worth noting for serbia is that if you drag your feet with russia & china, what makes you think that the other EU nations that are for kosove will ever vote you into the EU?
albanians in kosove always have that ace up our sleeve if push comes to shove with regards to a seat at the UN.
afterall, we do have a nation called albania with a seat at the UN and if it drags out as some of you seem to think it might, well we can always go back to the original flag. the point is that either way...serbia loses!
Hold on there Ajsel.
I am Albanian and if I were you (supposing you are Albanian too), I wouldn’t be sooo grateful of the Germans. I wouldn’t even be sooo grateful of Europe, especially the countries that had decisive powers at the time when the Balkan borders were drawn. It was Europe in the first place who sacrificed the Albanians and their lands to satisfy the appetite of our neighbors.
As for the Nazis, they just wanted to use the Albanians as collaborators. But only a small minority fell into their trap.
We may say that comparing to the Serb rule theirs was haven but nevertheless they were occupiers.
We should forever be grateful to our Albanian heroes for Kosova’s independence.
Europe is not doing us any favor really. Europe is barely doing what they should have done a hundred years ago. Whatever help (political or economical) they offer Kosova,
will not make up for a hundred years of suffering.
And we should definitely be grateful to the USA.
God bless Kosova!
to roger7 and to peter sudyka if you knew the history then you would not make this comment because in ww2 the germans did not kill albanians but they did kill a big number of serbs and to david jovanovic i personaly never seen that any serbian apologised to what they done in kosova
to stevo in serbia you say tante za tante so do your country ever thing to apologies to bosnian and kosovan people for killings they did in 90's i dont thing so and in germany it was long time ago it was hitlers regime and that has changed but it seems in serbia milosevic still lives but in different person
Thanks Germany.
By March 10 2008, over 100 countries will recognize Kosova.
Beleive me we going to master 2/3 majority in UN General Assembly in short period of time.One country can not over rule 2/3 majority in UN Assembly.Will see what future will bring.
Germany can recognize what it likes, but I note that one thing Germany does not recognize is that their armed forced slaughtered thousands of Serb civilians from 1941-45 and they NEVER apologized to the Serbian people for what they did. Hitler singled out the Serbs for special punishment in resisting his Third Reich, with 100 Serbs executed - including children to 'make up the numbers' - for every German soldier killed in ambush and 10 Serbs executed for every German soldier wounded in ambush. Where is the apology?
Whatever Germany chooses to recognize, they continue to fail to recognize what they have done to the Serbian people in the past.
Stevo,
Germany did what is right for the interest of German people and its interest in Balkans, lets say that Germany and other EU Superpowers are correcting their mistakes done in early 20th century. . We Newborns, thank them for that. As per the apologies, if you ask from someone an apology for a thing that happened more than half a century ago, then you should ask what your people did, just 8 years ago. I think You know to whom you owe an apology???
Ahmet, I hope you are right, but at this point it doesn't matter whether 100 countries will recognize Kosova in 2 weeks or 10 months or 2 years. What the independence declaration did is that it turned the tables on Serbia: Now time works for the Albanians not Serbs. EULEX started already, and the Parliament is working on the Ahtisaari laws, with citizenship, passports, Foreign and Defense ministries, on top of the competencies that UNMIK had already passed to the Kosova's Govt. Serbs can keep railing about the billions they own in Kosova, but pending an international arbitrage, Kosova Govt will be the legal owner of state property in Kosova, handle and cash in from the privatizations etc. Serbia can keep paying the foreign debt as long as considers Kosova its territory, but the moment it goes to the IMF and World Bank to re-negotiate, or the moment it goes to the international arbitrage for properties, it would have to recognize Kosova as an independent state.
Meanwhile the FM's job would be exactly to secure wide recognition. And sooner or later it will be forthcoming. The word "never" doesn't exist in diplomacy. Governments change, policies change, for things far bigger than the recognition of a foreign country. You'll see, even Spain and Cyprus will come around eventually.
to roger7 and to peter sudyka if you knew the history then you would not make this comment because in ww2 the germans did not kill albanians but they did kill a big number of serbs and to david jovanovic i personaly never seen that any serbian apologised to what they done in kosova
The list is growing very fast by Senegal,Malaysia,Belgium,Estonia,Latvia, Lithuania,Hungary...soon we will have more than 100 countries who will recognize Repubic of Kosova.
Albania should recognize Taiwan and Northen Cyprus,so that way China and South Cyprus will shout up.
Hold on there Ajsel.
I am Albanian and if I were you (supposing you are Albanian too), I wouldn’t be sooo grateful of the Germans. I wouldn’t even be sooo grateful of Europe, especially the countries that had decisive powers at the time when the Balkan borders were drawn. It was Europe in the first place who sacrificed the Albanians and their lands to satisfy the appetite of our neighbors.
As for the Nazis, they just wanted to use the Albanians as collaborators. But only a small minority fell into their trap.
We may say that comparing to the Serb rule theirs was haven but nevertheless they were occupiers.
We should forever be grateful to our Albanian heroes for Kosova’s independence.
Europe is not doing us any favor really. Europe is barely doing what they should have done a hundred years ago. Whatever help (political or economical) they offer Kosova,
will not make up for a hundred years of suffering.
And we should definitely be grateful to the USA.
God bless Kosova!
Congratulations to the recognition by Germany. This is a very important one for you. Astria, Norway followed and many others in the coming days. Very soon you will have all the important and developed countries, who will help to consolidate your country in the future.
When USA and UK attacked Iraq, many western European countries openly voiced their concern and objections to this despite hundred times more pressure coming from US and UK than there is pressure to recognized Kosovo. Still these countries stood up to US and Uk, but are still recognizing Kosovo.
Stevo whatever happened in WW2 was different story, remember, USA, Great Britain went to fight the Germans to save France and whole europe, today they stand together when it comes to ballkans. One more thing Stevo: with Kosovo as Independent State the ballkans is over with breaking up of former Yugoslavia, I remember you guys back in early 90's saying that Croatia, Bosnia were serbian cradle of civilization.
It took so long for Germany and other Europian countries to recognize what they should have done long time ago. But Better Late Than Never! Thank you to all the countries that are supporting Kosova's independence.
if kosova has to live with a "taiwan-like" status, we'll live w/it because it's far & away much better then how it was prior to sunday.
another point worth noting for serbia is that if you drag your feet with russia & china, what makes you think that the other EU nations that are for kosove will ever vote you into the EU?
albanians in kosove always have that ace up our sleeve if push comes to shove with regards to a seat at the UN.
afterall, we do have a nation called albania with a seat at the UN and if it drags out as some of you seem to think it might, well we can always go back to the original flag. the point is that either way...serbia loses!
Then I have to say that I personally watch News services that are outdated (CNN, BBC, VIO, B92) , I never ever heard any of the Serb Politicians saying that there was oppression(crimes against humanity), in Kosovo. Proof me wrong!!!
And let alone the war in Cro/Bos I was specifically interested in Kosovo. In the end, its like everyone has seen the movie, and remembers it by heart, it seems that only you Serbs ( who had the leading role), do not want to admit that you were leading the orchestra.
But I do understand you, your not around (most probably in another continent), and whatever it was served to you was not questioned.
Of course, I am not protecting anyone here, I am not saying that my people are angels, but again, we have at least contributed to the process of reconciliation.
And I don’t understand why one should be shocked when someone ASKS FOR AN apology?? I consider it normal, don’t you people??
"Thank you germany we always new that you are going to back us like you did in the world war two
(ajsel, 20 February 2008 13:35)"
"I wish my grandfather Ahmet was alive to hear that germany recognized Independence of Kosova.
(Valka, Vushtrri, 20 February 2008 14:44) "
Your grandfather Ahmet most likely collaborated with the Nazis during WWII when Kosovo was "independent" for a while and during which time much more Serbs were slaughtered than Kosovo Albanians in 1999. It is indeed nothing to be proud of to know that you were supported by the Nazis. This clearly shows that Kosovo Albanians and their society have clear fascists characteristics. Stevo, you said it all and many people in Western Europe had and have no clue how brutal WWII has been in Yugoslavia and that Serbs were punished like you cannot believe it because they stood up against Nazi Germany instead of joining it, because they were Serbs and because Slavic people were considered "Untermenschen" by the Nazis. I am afraid that Kosovo Albanians still think in those terms and for people like there there is no place in the EU. Please spare me any comments about your wishes for a multi-ethnic society. I encourage Kosovo, even though the have no authority to do so, to recognize Taiwan and Northern Cyprus as one person suggested. That will for sure kill your hope to ever become a member of the UN and the EU.
The United Nations Charter outlines the rules for membership:
1. Membership in the United Nations is open to all other peace-loving states which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.
2. The admission of any such state to membership in the United Nations will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.
—United Nations Charter, Chapter 2, Article 4
ajsel
"thank you germany we always new that you are going to back us like you did in the world war two"
Is the fact that Nazi Germany backed you in World War II something to be proud of?
Thanks Germany.
By March 10 2008, over 100 countries will recognize Kosova.
Beleive me we going to master 2/3 majority in UN General Assembly in short period of time.One country can not over rule 2/3 majority in UN Assembly.Will see what future will bring.
(Ahmet Isufi, 20 February 2008 14:49)
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Ever heard off an VETO, Russia AND China both have VETO rights, they can overthrow ANY decision, no matter how many country's support you, unless you get backing of every state that has VETO right you will never get the UN to recognize you.
The same goes for the EU membership, unless ALL EU members agree, there is not going to be an membership for Kosovo in the EU.
And as it now stands the most country's dont even want more members in the EU, so even if Kosovo wasn't disputed, then membership off the EU would be very unlikely.
To all the Albanian posters: even if you do get UN recognition, your state can only survive with financial help from western countries. As you may or may not know, experts are predicting that the western world is heading for an economical crisis, which means that sooner or later the west will simply stop sending you dollars, pounds or euros (kroner in the case of Norway). Also, posters saying that Kosovo is rich in natural resources better keep quiet. Your "friend" the USA may hear you and will demand to exploit your mines in return for only a fistful of dollars. Sorry to say this but Americans (and this especially pertains to George Walker Bush and his chums) are no philantropists...
In fact if you ever bother to watch what Serbs say then you would know that we Serbs were in shock at just how many times Tadic apologised for the Serbian responsible killings through the war from 1991 – 1999 while he was in the USA for his first visit.
The Serbs in the US joked that he did precious little to help our cause because he apologised at every opportunity, which, inside information, told me that even the US state department felt slightly embarrassed by this.
Furthermore, in 2002 Mira Beham of Serbia tried to lobby the international arena, including Religious bodies, to set up a truth commission in order for the Serbs to stand up with the Croats and the others who were guilty for the terrible killings through the 90’s. Nobody gave her the time of day, as this would have meant that too many myths would have been exposed and dead Serbs would have popped up all over the place – which is not to be known, as it does not fit in with the CNN bible of the Balkan wars of 91-99.
So please – cite the terrible crimes that we perpetrated against others during this time but don’t tell me that we have not apologised for them, as that is simply not true.
As for your precious Germany. It could not wait to bring down the wall in its spirit of reunifying with lost parts of the country. This ironically has gone to virtually bankrupt the entire country and the voices are now being heard from people who would put the damn wall up again tomorrow. At the same time as Merkel enjoys the reunification she is aiding and abetting the illegal breakaway of Kosovo. Strange politics indeed!
For youre sake i never hope it gets to the IMF, cuz in an IMF case the Serbs will have to be paid compesation for the loss off kosovo and it's riches.
This has happend before and will happen to kosovo, you will be paying serbia for the next 50 years to come.
Declaring independence doesn't mean you automaticly owner off all that is in Kosovo, even before you can become an member off the IMF you will have to recognize Serbia's property's, after that the IMF will rule how much damage payments Kosovo will have to make.
That is the price for uni-lateral independence, now you will have to comply to the worlds rules and they are simply NOT in youre favor because you declared independence without consent off Serbia.
So welcome to the big world off nasty rules where even the US can't protect you
Sure you can ignore the IMF ruling, but then the EU will never ever accept you as an member (which is not likely anyway)
I know history, and I say again, how can you be proud that Nazi Germany backed you? They murdered millions of Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Russians, Serbs, other social "undesirables", political prisoners, handicapped etc. Maybe they did not target Albanians, but that does not make them any better at all.
BTW Hitler wanted to destroy Slavic influence by destroying the three most powerful Slavic states: Russia (then Soviet Union), Poland and Serbia (then Yugoslavia). He even allied with other Slavic states like Slovakia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia & Herzegovina and Ukraine to achieve this. Albanians were just a tool he used to try and achieve his goal, among many others.
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