Kosovo Minister Slobodan Samardžić said late Tuesday the <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=02&dd=19&nav_id=47821" class="text-link" target= "_blank">actions by Kosovo Serbs</a> were not initiated by Belgrade.
partition in north? ok-every one of us will be happy to get rid of the serbian problem in kosova-
then partition of the presheva valley and of sandjak!
Iowe: I think that the west is terrified of teh idea that for Serbs and their Gov.t is absolutely normal to pretend to keep 2 million of K-Albanians within Serbia as minority but it can't accept that 100kSerbs remain a minority in Kosova, and at the same time denying teh same right to teh Albanians in teh Preshevo valley.
I totally agree about Arkan, Seselj and their gangs being bloody damned criminals. No doubt about that.
I meant that Kosovo Albanians must deal with this old dilemma: other one's freedom fighter is other one's terrorist.
Most Kosovo Albanians say that they have been fighting for a 100 year old cause. That there never was acceptance among Albanians of belonging to either Yugoslavia or to Serbia. Methods used in this fight were both non-violent and violent. But don't try to teach me that only Serbs resorted to violent ones.
It's true that Serbian politicians made a major mistake soon after the Balkan War by not creating a modern democratic state that would have given full political rights to Kosovo people. And thus they failed incorporating Kosovo fully to Serbia.
Turning to use of violence is a matter itself. Who's innocent of it?
When you blero write:
"We are dealing with a government that has always condoned the violence done against anything Albanian.
Nothing has changed in Serbian government",
I know very well that what you say is not true. I have enough Albanian friends with examples to prove you are not speaking honestly.
When you write:
"I would be worried if I hear nice thought coming from them",
I see that your attitude is to advocate conflict. You know you've got some soulmates just behind the fence.
If you allow the attitude to yourself, be ready to allow it to the other.
You seem to me like a reasonable person. In another post you have asked the Serbs to "put emotion to the side". Now I ask you to do the same.
Honestly, what do you expect the Serbs in Northern Kosovo to do? Can you really see them placing roses in the barrels of KFOR guns? Can you see them reacting with enthusiasm or even resignation to the UDI? No chance.
Partition of Kosovo is nobody's ideal solution but in the short term it may be the only way to guarantee relative peace. There is still a lot of water to flow under the bridge here. 30, 40, maybe 50 countries will recognise Kosovo independence, so where will that leave you? Even if 100 countries recognise you it will still not allow entry to the UN or EU. By your own actions you have found yourselves between a rock and a hard place. I honestly believe that the influence of the US has dazzled you with unrealistic expectations.
As you sow, you must reap.
By the way, I would desist from all that stuff about the Presevo valley Albanians. It's not far from there to a Greater Albania.
Everyday more countries are recognizing Kosova, I am sure that this kind of policy form teh Serbian Gov. will constrain the democratic world to support teh young democracy of Kosova to re-establish her authority in whole her territory now, internationally recognized.
(ben, 20 February 2008 13:35)
There will be a total of less than 25 countries that recognize the Toy republic of Kosovo not including Muslim countries, oh by the way Indonesia won't be recognizing you and they are the largest Muslim country and I am very proud of my country (Canada) for a change, they will not recognize you either as indicated in all the major Canadian Newspapers in recent days, it seems Mexico has no interest to recognize you either, that makes both countries bordering the US not following their lead.
As time goes by and the law suites begin by Serbia followed eventually by a full embargo just as soon as all the loyal Serbian citizens are settled properly in Kosovo, it will be Hell for Albanians to live in Kosovo particularly when they learn their toy passport is worthless to travel or immigrate anywhere in the world, you have effectively built your own prison in Kosovo.
The Serbian government is openly condoning violence.
(nikshala, 20 February 2008 10:36)
Nik,
We are dealing with a government that has always condoned the violence done against anything Albanian.
Nothing has changed in Serbian government.
I would be worried if I hear nice thought coming from them.
Olli:
should I name my organisation as KLA, MLA or K&MLA?
Which one is more to your liking?
(Olli, 20 February 2008 11:27)
Olf, I'm not asking, I saying it needs to be done.
"It is not fine and not mature to ask such thing."
Why not? You just separated from Serbia, which by all accounts was neither fine nor mature, given the circumstance.
"Your idea not only that would bring chaos to this part of the world but it would spread wolrd wide."
It already has with Kosovo's declaration, or have you missed what it now transpiring in other potential breakaway regions? The damage had already been done and legitimized, and Serbia will continue to seek what is rightfully hers.
"Movement of population is a dangeorus thing. Think again mate!"
We're not talking about a movement of a population, I'm talking about a clear confederation in Kosovo where Serbs are in full control over their areas, fully supported by Belgrade. What Albanians want to do with their parts are their own affairs. I've thought about this long and hard, Olf. Partition, if not territorial, then most certainly political is inevitable, and the sooner Brussels and Pristina recognizes it, the better.
Since the Albanians got their independence so too shall the Serbs in the northern part of Kosovo by breaking away from Kosova. What's good for one is good for the other.
"Serbia is the only "democratic" country that takes the customs policy by burning cars and buildings ;)
Everyday more countries are recognizing Kosova, I am sure that this kind of policy form teh Serbian Gov. will constrain the democratic world to support teh young democracy of Kosova to re-establish her authority in whole her territory now, internationally recognized.
(ben, 20 February 2008 13:35) "
I disagree with you. The West is terrified of more violence. I predict they will instead seek the easy way out ie. keep the K-Serbs and K-Albanians apart so that they don't kill each other before the entire world ie. you will have a de facto partition.
In our diverse world, there will be those who will recogize Kosovo and those who won't. Bottom line however is that Kosovo should forget about UN entry (the ultimate recognition of statehood) anytine soon. If it was that easy, the Taiwanese would have entered the UN 30 years ago!
I personally don't think that serbs in the north will get integrated in independent Kosovo in the near or middle future, and I don't see the point in trying to force. It didn't work when Serbia tried to do that even though the horrible tractics that Serbia used are not comparable to the reaching out that Kosovan goverment is trying to do. Despite the reaching out, i still don't think it will work.
Unofficialy Kosovo is partitioned.
With a different serbian regime and different mentality of serbian politicans, some kind of agreement maybe could have been reached for partition, maybe in the lines of giving the north of Kosovo the possibility to brakaway in 10 of 15 years time, if they wish so. Or if by then serbs are happy in independent Kosovo, that thats good for everyone.
This agreement would have had to include Presevo Valley as well, not neccessarily in terms of partiton but at least the same rights as Ahtisaari plan, or even the possibility of joining Kosovo.
Some kind of peacful partition would probably rid Kosovo of its problem with the north (don't mean any offense by this, but it would be good riddance). Which in turn would me faster EU integration, since our EU perspective won't be tied to the North of Kosovo.
But like I said, this is futile because judging by the rhetoric and self-destructive policies coming from Belgrade, I just can't see a compomise in the near future.
I thought Tadic said that Serbia is not going to use forse and they are going to solve this with legal means.
That proves again the Kosovar point that Serbian politicians are not reliable and no one can trust them.
I guess some things never change (inclouding serbian politicians)
It sounds as if there are two secret plans of Serbia for Kosova. First one, is the one of Mr.Samrdzic and the other one is of Mr.Tadic. It looks like Serbs find it difficult to choose between them two. Checkpoint actions are in line with Samrdzic plan but not in line with Tadic plan.
Mike
you are asking for separation. It is not fine and not mature to ask such thing. Your idea not only that would bring chaos to this part of the world but it would spread wolrd wide. Movement of population is a dangeorus thing. Think again mate!
'The serbian goverment is openingly condoning violence.' - nikshala
Pray do tell about the violent campaign that was waged against the Yugoslav state - attacks on Yugoslav police, government officials, civil servants, postmen and loyal Yugoslav citizens in Kosmet which was openely condoned by the KLA and other affilated groups for over 20 years.
but it´s only a logic result of the previous events. one thing seems to be clear, the Albanians won´t get away with it, first there will be a partition, later, we will see how long it will take, the rest of the serbian province will follow.
Serbia is the only "democratic" country that takes the customs policy by burning cars and buildings ;)
Everyday more countries are recognizing Kosova, I am sure that this kind of policy form teh Serbian Gov. will constrain the democratic world to support teh young democracy of Kosova to re-establish her authority in whole her territory now, internationally recognized.
should I name my organisation as KLA, MLA or K&MLA?
Which one is more to your liking?
(Olli, 20 February 2008 11:27)
My friend, the difference between serbian police and Kosovan police, is that, Kosovan police are not going to attack and massacre innocent serbs for revenge! And the serbs are not oppressed in anyway.
Well, this is pretty much in line with my predictions:
1. Pristina declares (check)
2. Washington recognizes (check)
3. Mitrovica ignores (check)
4. Belgrade moves in (check)
5. Brussels complains (check)
6. NATO keeps the peace (check)
All that's left now is for
7. Russia to intervene
8. UN to compromise
It's funny how Albanians are now the ones calling for - nay demanding - Serb compliance when for the last 25 years they've been the ones operating under parallel institutions and boycotting Belgrade.
Congratulations EU, you inherited this trainwreck.
Serbia won’t be taking over any borders in The Republic of Kosova, we all know that, just as we know that Germany today joined the free democratic countries of the world to recognize the expressed will of a prior suppressed population. It is in the authority of every sovereign country to recognize another, just as Serbia is entitled to not accept Kosova as an independent country or Spain not willing to recognize the Basque territory, it’s their right, meaning the precedent of declaring independence will not have the same results everywhere, since every situation and country is unique.
If I was a Serb of Kosovo, I wouldn't use any means that Kosovo Albanians can't accept. I would only follow the example they showed in their fight against Serbs during the last 20 years, or 100 years, and use the means and tactics they used -and accepted. This way they could not have a bad word against me. And I think they would have high regard about me...
Kosova flags? All the photos I have seen have been of Albanian flags being waved around. If these celebrations were for the birth of a multiethnc state, I would expect to see the new flag being waved around.
You can also expect more resistance from the Serbs. I don't think they are rushing to buy Albanian as a 2nd language courses.
"But he added that the burning of the two checkpoints on the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative line crossings, in protest of Priština's attempts to impose its authority in the north, was "in accordance with the Serbian government's decision on taking over customs policy." Samardzic
The serbian goverment is openingly condoning violence. This obviously was done with direct orders from Belgrade, and it was pre-planned way before, as some suggest when Kosovan authorities wanted to put the Kosovan flags up.
But, then again, is anyone suprised? Did we expect anything better from Serbian goverment?
Well, this is pretty much in line with my predictions:
1. Pristina declares (check)
2. Washington recognizes (check)
3. Mitrovica ignores (check)
4. Belgrade moves in (check)
5. Brussels complains (check)
6. NATO keeps the peace (check)
All that's left now is for
7. Russia to intervene
8. UN to compromise
It's funny how Albanians are now the ones calling for - nay demanding - Serb compliance when for the last 25 years they've been the ones operating under parallel institutions and boycotting Belgrade.
Congratulations EU, you inherited this trainwreck.
Kosova flags? All the photos I have seen have been of Albanian flags being waved around. If these celebrations were for the birth of a multiethnc state, I would expect to see the new flag being waved around.
You can also expect more resistance from the Serbs. I don't think they are rushing to buy Albanian as a 2nd language courses.
If I was a Serb of Kosovo, I wouldn't use any means that Kosovo Albanians can't accept. I would only follow the example they showed in their fight against Serbs during the last 20 years, or 100 years, and use the means and tactics they used -and accepted. This way they could not have a bad word against me. And I think they would have high regard about me...
'The serbian goverment is openingly condoning violence.' - nikshala
Pray do tell about the violent campaign that was waged against the Yugoslav state - attacks on Yugoslav police, government officials, civil servants, postmen and loyal Yugoslav citizens in Kosmet which was openely condoned by the KLA and other affilated groups for over 20 years.
"But he added that the burning of the two checkpoints on the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative line crossings, in protest of Priština's attempts to impose its authority in the north, was "in accordance with the Serbian government's decision on taking over customs policy." Samardzic
The serbian goverment is openingly condoning violence. This obviously was done with direct orders from Belgrade, and it was pre-planned way before, as some suggest when Kosovan authorities wanted to put the Kosovan flags up.
But, then again, is anyone suprised? Did we expect anything better from Serbian goverment?
should I name my organisation as KLA, MLA or K&MLA?
Which one is more to your liking?
(Olli, 20 February 2008 11:27)
My friend, the difference between serbian police and Kosovan police, is that, Kosovan police are not going to attack and massacre innocent serbs for revenge! And the serbs are not oppressed in anyway.
but it´s only a logic result of the previous events. one thing seems to be clear, the Albanians won´t get away with it, first there will be a partition, later, we will see how long it will take, the rest of the serbian province will follow.
"Serbia is the only "democratic" country that takes the customs policy by burning cars and buildings ;)
Everyday more countries are recognizing Kosova, I am sure that this kind of policy form teh Serbian Gov. will constrain the democratic world to support teh young democracy of Kosova to re-establish her authority in whole her territory now, internationally recognized.
(ben, 20 February 2008 13:35) "
I disagree with you. The West is terrified of more violence. I predict they will instead seek the easy way out ie. keep the K-Serbs and K-Albanians apart so that they don't kill each other before the entire world ie. you will have a de facto partition.
In our diverse world, there will be those who will recogize Kosovo and those who won't. Bottom line however is that Kosovo should forget about UN entry (the ultimate recognition of statehood) anytine soon. If it was that easy, the Taiwanese would have entered the UN 30 years ago!
Olf, I'm not asking, I saying it needs to be done.
"It is not fine and not mature to ask such thing."
Why not? You just separated from Serbia, which by all accounts was neither fine nor mature, given the circumstance.
"Your idea not only that would bring chaos to this part of the world but it would spread wolrd wide."
It already has with Kosovo's declaration, or have you missed what it now transpiring in other potential breakaway regions? The damage had already been done and legitimized, and Serbia will continue to seek what is rightfully hers.
"Movement of population is a dangeorus thing. Think again mate!"
We're not talking about a movement of a population, I'm talking about a clear confederation in Kosovo where Serbs are in full control over their areas, fully supported by Belgrade. What Albanians want to do with their parts are their own affairs. I've thought about this long and hard, Olf. Partition, if not territorial, then most certainly political is inevitable, and the sooner Brussels and Pristina recognizes it, the better.
Since the Albanians got their independence so too shall the Serbs in the northern part of Kosovo by breaking away from Kosova. What's good for one is good for the other.
Serbia won’t be taking over any borders in The Republic of Kosova, we all know that, just as we know that Germany today joined the free democratic countries of the world to recognize the expressed will of a prior suppressed population. It is in the authority of every sovereign country to recognize another, just as Serbia is entitled to not accept Kosova as an independent country or Spain not willing to recognize the Basque territory, it’s their right, meaning the precedent of declaring independence will not have the same results everywhere, since every situation and country is unique.
Serbia is the only "democratic" country that takes the customs policy by burning cars and buildings ;)
Everyday more countries are recognizing Kosova, I am sure that this kind of policy form teh Serbian Gov. will constrain the democratic world to support teh young democracy of Kosova to re-establish her authority in whole her territory now, internationally recognized.
Everyday more countries are recognizing Kosova, I am sure that this kind of policy form teh Serbian Gov. will constrain the democratic world to support teh young democracy of Kosova to re-establish her authority in whole her territory now, internationally recognized.
(ben, 20 February 2008 13:35)
There will be a total of less than 25 countries that recognize the Toy republic of Kosovo not including Muslim countries, oh by the way Indonesia won't be recognizing you and they are the largest Muslim country and I am very proud of my country (Canada) for a change, they will not recognize you either as indicated in all the major Canadian Newspapers in recent days, it seems Mexico has no interest to recognize you either, that makes both countries bordering the US not following their lead.
As time goes by and the law suites begin by Serbia followed eventually by a full embargo just as soon as all the loyal Serbian citizens are settled properly in Kosovo, it will be Hell for Albanians to live in Kosovo particularly when they learn their toy passport is worthless to travel or immigrate anywhere in the world, you have effectively built your own prison in Kosovo.
I thought Tadic said that Serbia is not going to use forse and they are going to solve this with legal means.
That proves again the Kosovar point that Serbian politicians are not reliable and no one can trust them.
I guess some things never change (inclouding serbian politicians)
I personally don't think that serbs in the north will get integrated in independent Kosovo in the near or middle future, and I don't see the point in trying to force. It didn't work when Serbia tried to do that even though the horrible tractics that Serbia used are not comparable to the reaching out that Kosovan goverment is trying to do. Despite the reaching out, i still don't think it will work.
Unofficialy Kosovo is partitioned.
With a different serbian regime and different mentality of serbian politicans, some kind of agreement maybe could have been reached for partition, maybe in the lines of giving the north of Kosovo the possibility to brakaway in 10 of 15 years time, if they wish so. Or if by then serbs are happy in independent Kosovo, that thats good for everyone.
This agreement would have had to include Presevo Valley as well, not neccessarily in terms of partiton but at least the same rights as Ahtisaari plan, or even the possibility of joining Kosovo.
Some kind of peacful partition would probably rid Kosovo of its problem with the north (don't mean any offense by this, but it would be good riddance). Which in turn would me faster EU integration, since our EU perspective won't be tied to the North of Kosovo.
But like I said, this is futile because judging by the rhetoric and self-destructive policies coming from Belgrade, I just can't see a compomise in the near future.
The Serbian government is openly condoning violence.
(nikshala, 20 February 2008 10:36)
Nik,
We are dealing with a government that has always condoned the violence done against anything Albanian.
Nothing has changed in Serbian government.
I would be worried if I hear nice thought coming from them.
Olli:
should I name my organisation as KLA, MLA or K&MLA?
Which one is more to your liking?
(Olli, 20 February 2008 11:27)
You seem to me like a reasonable person. In another post you have asked the Serbs to "put emotion to the side". Now I ask you to do the same.
Honestly, what do you expect the Serbs in Northern Kosovo to do? Can you really see them placing roses in the barrels of KFOR guns? Can you see them reacting with enthusiasm or even resignation to the UDI? No chance.
Partition of Kosovo is nobody's ideal solution but in the short term it may be the only way to guarantee relative peace. There is still a lot of water to flow under the bridge here. 30, 40, maybe 50 countries will recognise Kosovo independence, so where will that leave you? Even if 100 countries recognise you it will still not allow entry to the UN or EU. By your own actions you have found yourselves between a rock and a hard place. I honestly believe that the influence of the US has dazzled you with unrealistic expectations.
As you sow, you must reap.
By the way, I would desist from all that stuff about the Presevo valley Albanians. It's not far from there to a Greater Albania.
I totally agree about Arkan, Seselj and their gangs being bloody damned criminals. No doubt about that.
I meant that Kosovo Albanians must deal with this old dilemma: other one's freedom fighter is other one's terrorist.
Most Kosovo Albanians say that they have been fighting for a 100 year old cause. That there never was acceptance among Albanians of belonging to either Yugoslavia or to Serbia. Methods used in this fight were both non-violent and violent. But don't try to teach me that only Serbs resorted to violent ones.
It's true that Serbian politicians made a major mistake soon after the Balkan War by not creating a modern democratic state that would have given full political rights to Kosovo people. And thus they failed incorporating Kosovo fully to Serbia.
Turning to use of violence is a matter itself. Who's innocent of it?
When you blero write:
"We are dealing with a government that has always condoned the violence done against anything Albanian.
Nothing has changed in Serbian government",
I know very well that what you say is not true. I have enough Albanian friends with examples to prove you are not speaking honestly.
When you write:
"I would be worried if I hear nice thought coming from them",
I see that your attitude is to advocate conflict. You know you've got some soulmates just behind the fence.
If you allow the attitude to yourself, be ready to allow it to the other.
It sounds as if there are two secret plans of Serbia for Kosova. First one, is the one of Mr.Samrdzic and the other one is of Mr.Tadic. It looks like Serbs find it difficult to choose between them two. Checkpoint actions are in line with Samrdzic plan but not in line with Tadic plan.
Mike
you are asking for separation. It is not fine and not mature to ask such thing. Your idea not only that would bring chaos to this part of the world but it would spread wolrd wide. Movement of population is a dangeorus thing. Think again mate!
Iowe: I think that the west is terrified of teh idea that for Serbs and their Gov.t is absolutely normal to pretend to keep 2 million of K-Albanians within Serbia as minority but it can't accept that 100kSerbs remain a minority in Kosova, and at the same time denying teh same right to teh Albanians in teh Preshevo valley.
partition in north? ok-every one of us will be happy to get rid of the serbian problem in kosova-
then partition of the presheva valley and of sandjak!
I thought Tadic said that Serbia is not going to use forse and they are going to solve this with legal means.
That proves again the Kosovar point that Serbian politicians are not reliable and no one can trust them.
I guess some things never change (inclouding serbian politicians)
Serbia won’t be taking over any borders in The Republic of Kosova, we all know that, just as we know that Germany today joined the free democratic countries of the world to recognize the expressed will of a prior suppressed population. It is in the authority of every sovereign country to recognize another, just as Serbia is entitled to not accept Kosova as an independent country or Spain not willing to recognize the Basque territory, it’s their right, meaning the precedent of declaring independence will not have the same results everywhere, since every situation and country is unique.
should I name my organisation as KLA, MLA or K&MLA?
Which one is more to your liking?
(Olli, 20 February 2008 11:27)
My friend, the difference between serbian police and Kosovan police, is that, Kosovan police are not going to attack and massacre innocent serbs for revenge! And the serbs are not oppressed in anyway.
I personally don't think that serbs in the north will get integrated in independent Kosovo in the near or middle future, and I don't see the point in trying to force. It didn't work when Serbia tried to do that even though the horrible tractics that Serbia used are not comparable to the reaching out that Kosovan goverment is trying to do. Despite the reaching out, i still don't think it will work.
Unofficialy Kosovo is partitioned.
With a different serbian regime and different mentality of serbian politicans, some kind of agreement maybe could have been reached for partition, maybe in the lines of giving the north of Kosovo the possibility to brakaway in 10 of 15 years time, if they wish so. Or if by then serbs are happy in independent Kosovo, that thats good for everyone.
This agreement would have had to include Presevo Valley as well, not neccessarily in terms of partiton but at least the same rights as Ahtisaari plan, or even the possibility of joining Kosovo.
Some kind of peacful partition would probably rid Kosovo of its problem with the north (don't mean any offense by this, but it would be good riddance). Which in turn would me faster EU integration, since our EU perspective won't be tied to the North of Kosovo.
But like I said, this is futile because judging by the rhetoric and self-destructive policies coming from Belgrade, I just can't see a compomise in the near future.
Serbia is the only "democratic" country that takes the customs policy by burning cars and buildings ;)
Everyday more countries are recognizing Kosova, I am sure that this kind of policy form teh Serbian Gov. will constrain the democratic world to support teh young democracy of Kosova to re-establish her authority in whole her territory now, internationally recognized.
Kosova flags? All the photos I have seen have been of Albanian flags being waved around. If these celebrations were for the birth of a multiethnc state, I would expect to see the new flag being waved around.
You can also expect more resistance from the Serbs. I don't think they are rushing to buy Albanian as a 2nd language courses.
'The serbian goverment is openingly condoning violence.' - nikshala
Pray do tell about the violent campaign that was waged against the Yugoslav state - attacks on Yugoslav police, government officials, civil servants, postmen and loyal Yugoslav citizens in Kosmet which was openely condoned by the KLA and other affilated groups for over 20 years.
"But he added that the burning of the two checkpoints on the Jarinje and Brnjak administrative line crossings, in protest of Priština's attempts to impose its authority in the north, was "in accordance with the Serbian government's decision on taking over customs policy." Samardzic
The serbian goverment is openingly condoning violence. This obviously was done with direct orders from Belgrade, and it was pre-planned way before, as some suggest when Kosovan authorities wanted to put the Kosovan flags up.
But, then again, is anyone suprised? Did we expect anything better from Serbian goverment?
It sounds as if there are two secret plans of Serbia for Kosova. First one, is the one of Mr.Samrdzic and the other one is of Mr.Tadic. It looks like Serbs find it difficult to choose between them two. Checkpoint actions are in line with Samrdzic plan but not in line with Tadic plan.
Mike
you are asking for separation. It is not fine and not mature to ask such thing. Your idea not only that would bring chaos to this part of the world but it would spread wolrd wide. Movement of population is a dangeorus thing. Think again mate!
The Serbian government is openly condoning violence.
(nikshala, 20 February 2008 10:36)
Nik,
We are dealing with a government that has always condoned the violence done against anything Albanian.
Nothing has changed in Serbian government.
I would be worried if I hear nice thought coming from them.
Olli:
should I name my organisation as KLA, MLA or K&MLA?
Which one is more to your liking?
(Olli, 20 February 2008 11:27)
If I was a Serb of Kosovo, I wouldn't use any means that Kosovo Albanians can't accept. I would only follow the example they showed in their fight against Serbs during the last 20 years, or 100 years, and use the means and tactics they used -and accepted. This way they could not have a bad word against me. And I think they would have high regard about me...
"Serbia is the only "democratic" country that takes the customs policy by burning cars and buildings ;)
Everyday more countries are recognizing Kosova, I am sure that this kind of policy form teh Serbian Gov. will constrain the democratic world to support teh young democracy of Kosova to re-establish her authority in whole her territory now, internationally recognized.
(ben, 20 February 2008 13:35) "
I disagree with you. The West is terrified of more violence. I predict they will instead seek the easy way out ie. keep the K-Serbs and K-Albanians apart so that they don't kill each other before the entire world ie. you will have a de facto partition.
In our diverse world, there will be those who will recogize Kosovo and those who won't. Bottom line however is that Kosovo should forget about UN entry (the ultimate recognition of statehood) anytine soon. If it was that easy, the Taiwanese would have entered the UN 30 years ago!
Olf, I'm not asking, I saying it needs to be done.
"It is not fine and not mature to ask such thing."
Why not? You just separated from Serbia, which by all accounts was neither fine nor mature, given the circumstance.
"Your idea not only that would bring chaos to this part of the world but it would spread wolrd wide."
It already has with Kosovo's declaration, or have you missed what it now transpiring in other potential breakaway regions? The damage had already been done and legitimized, and Serbia will continue to seek what is rightfully hers.
"Movement of population is a dangeorus thing. Think again mate!"
We're not talking about a movement of a population, I'm talking about a clear confederation in Kosovo where Serbs are in full control over their areas, fully supported by Belgrade. What Albanians want to do with their parts are their own affairs. I've thought about this long and hard, Olf. Partition, if not territorial, then most certainly political is inevitable, and the sooner Brussels and Pristina recognizes it, the better.
Iowe: I think that the west is terrified of teh idea that for Serbs and their Gov.t is absolutely normal to pretend to keep 2 million of K-Albanians within Serbia as minority but it can't accept that 100kSerbs remain a minority in Kosova, and at the same time denying teh same right to teh Albanians in teh Preshevo valley.
Well, this is pretty much in line with my predictions:
1. Pristina declares (check)
2. Washington recognizes (check)
3. Mitrovica ignores (check)
4. Belgrade moves in (check)
5. Brussels complains (check)
6. NATO keeps the peace (check)
All that's left now is for
7. Russia to intervene
8. UN to compromise
It's funny how Albanians are now the ones calling for - nay demanding - Serb compliance when for the last 25 years they've been the ones operating under parallel institutions and boycotting Belgrade.
Congratulations EU, you inherited this trainwreck.
but it´s only a logic result of the previous events. one thing seems to be clear, the Albanians won´t get away with it, first there will be a partition, later, we will see how long it will take, the rest of the serbian province will follow.
Since the Albanians got their independence so too shall the Serbs in the northern part of Kosovo by breaking away from Kosova. What's good for one is good for the other.
Everyday more countries are recognizing Kosova, I am sure that this kind of policy form teh Serbian Gov. will constrain the democratic world to support teh young democracy of Kosova to re-establish her authority in whole her territory now, internationally recognized.
(ben, 20 February 2008 13:35)
There will be a total of less than 25 countries that recognize the Toy republic of Kosovo not including Muslim countries, oh by the way Indonesia won't be recognizing you and they are the largest Muslim country and I am very proud of my country (Canada) for a change, they will not recognize you either as indicated in all the major Canadian Newspapers in recent days, it seems Mexico has no interest to recognize you either, that makes both countries bordering the US not following their lead.
As time goes by and the law suites begin by Serbia followed eventually by a full embargo just as soon as all the loyal Serbian citizens are settled properly in Kosovo, it will be Hell for Albanians to live in Kosovo particularly when they learn their toy passport is worthless to travel or immigrate anywhere in the world, you have effectively built your own prison in Kosovo.
You seem to me like a reasonable person. In another post you have asked the Serbs to "put emotion to the side". Now I ask you to do the same.
Honestly, what do you expect the Serbs in Northern Kosovo to do? Can you really see them placing roses in the barrels of KFOR guns? Can you see them reacting with enthusiasm or even resignation to the UDI? No chance.
Partition of Kosovo is nobody's ideal solution but in the short term it may be the only way to guarantee relative peace. There is still a lot of water to flow under the bridge here. 30, 40, maybe 50 countries will recognise Kosovo independence, so where will that leave you? Even if 100 countries recognise you it will still not allow entry to the UN or EU. By your own actions you have found yourselves between a rock and a hard place. I honestly believe that the influence of the US has dazzled you with unrealistic expectations.
As you sow, you must reap.
By the way, I would desist from all that stuff about the Presevo valley Albanians. It's not far from there to a Greater Albania.
partition in north? ok-every one of us will be happy to get rid of the serbian problem in kosova-
then partition of the presheva valley and of sandjak!
I totally agree about Arkan, Seselj and their gangs being bloody damned criminals. No doubt about that.
I meant that Kosovo Albanians must deal with this old dilemma: other one's freedom fighter is other one's terrorist.
Most Kosovo Albanians say that they have been fighting for a 100 year old cause. That there never was acceptance among Albanians of belonging to either Yugoslavia or to Serbia. Methods used in this fight were both non-violent and violent. But don't try to teach me that only Serbs resorted to violent ones.
It's true that Serbian politicians made a major mistake soon after the Balkan War by not creating a modern democratic state that would have given full political rights to Kosovo people. And thus they failed incorporating Kosovo fully to Serbia.
Turning to use of violence is a matter itself. Who's innocent of it?
When you blero write:
"We are dealing with a government that has always condoned the violence done against anything Albanian.
Nothing has changed in Serbian government",
I know very well that what you say is not true. I have enough Albanian friends with examples to prove you are not speaking honestly.
When you write:
"I would be worried if I hear nice thought coming from them",
I see that your attitude is to advocate conflict. You know you've got some soulmates just behind the fence.
If you allow the attitude to yourself, be ready to allow it to the other.
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