Recognition not unfriendly act, Đelić told

oh and one more thing, that djelic's comment about guts... he doesn't have any. that's the problem here :)

Djelic, Djelic, please spear me of the EU and of our best interest to be part of such EU. Serbia should simply say NO to the EU and I don’t want Javier Solana to think that this part of Balkan belongs to the EU. Believe me, once you remove the borders, in future you can expect more land grab. The EU is eager to dismember and cripple our country and by not strictly defining our borders we will face same scenario in future when the EU start falling apart.

Seems that many nations and nationals have aspiration towards our country thus we have to do our best in preserving our borders. After the creation of bloody Yugoslavia, Nikola Pasic just said: “All right, this is all all right but we did not mark and clearly define our borders” and that fact cost us great deal of our country in the last wars.

So, Mr Djelic, your wish to join the EU is your wish but please ask people in referendum right now. Make referendum in few weeks from now and see people’s mood to join that nasty Union.

all that came to this: if i met a kosovo serb today i would lower my head in unspeakable shame. not knowing i supported those who tried and are still trying to undermine their very existence with statements like this.
djelic needs to get with the program very soon. this is a different country today. and they need to stop offending people.
as was said once upon a time in the british parliament, 'it is an insult to say it'.
please read this.
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/workbook/ralprs36.htm

to all. kosovo is now top of serbian national agenda. and then its kosovo. followed by kosovo. and then there's other things. i wish it didn’t turn out that way. but it did.

Bganon,

I blamed no one in my post. As a matter of the fact, I really blame no one at all in regard to Kosovo. I just know that who ever governed our country the result would be absolutely the same. I see no difference in treatment by the IC during the 90’a and nowadays. That is how it will be in the future as well, who ever our leaders are. I simply do not support the idea of the EU and possible integration within the EU. That’s it, it is my opinion and I do expect referendum where I can stress my opinion. By then I can only comment over here in b92.

pijetro

excuse me, who are you again? are you in arrogant tones telling us what to do in our own country and how to behave?
we REALLY don't like that :) when will you people learn the most basic thing about this nation? you dont like it, granted, but that doesn't change it: we are who we are. you are dealing with real serbia bang in the middle of this peninsula, and your ideal illusionary version of serbia does not exist and is never coming.
for all my adult life i have supported the ds, voted for them, attended i think, and this sounds ridiculous even to me, but it's true, over 80 protests, that was in 96, 97 when we held them daily against the regime.
but its all over now. i think it's time to start thinking like in a normal democracy. i no longer have this block that i cant vote for some parties because of the past, the eu liberated me of this :), well, danke.
sure we need to realize a lot of things. but here's what the eu needs to realize. we are here in the middle of the balkans and we are lost for them for decades to come. there's no road now from here to there and vice versa. for instance, djelic can sign some agreement, but parliament will not ratify it. if you want new parliament, call new elections, and watch radicals win 70% of the vote.
so no eu. eu is a perverted lie. rehn is using the same language today that chamberlain used after they gave part of the czech land to hitler. it's stunning. i live in this country and i have seen my share of perverted politics. i do not want more of that only with an eu label. and rest assured i am not the only one. even though now they're trying to minimize the damage, my party can take that rik report about the number of votes it got in the last election and frame it, because thats never happening again.

and, p.s., when you say "everything", know that this what's happening is, "everything". a country has its territory assaulted, its sense of values and aspirations turned upside down, direction altered. its huge. those who dont understand the magnitude of this for serbia will find out later. i pity them though for being so short sighted.

dear bmrusila, all your prognoses before the presidential elections were definitely wrong. I read all your polemics and I tried to respect your words. but please notice: you were completely wrong! but your arguments did not change. please stopp writing about reality, when you ignore it.

Serbia has to INSIST that it will exercise its rights fully over Kosovo.

Anything else is compliance.

Serbia has to make it uncomfortable for the international community - that cannot be done without some discomfort for Serbia.

There's no point in hoping that Kosovo will come back - what will happen is the new status quo will take over.

Serbia should free itself from the obligations that keep it out of Kosovo - the situtation is now beyond 1244 in that the IC has taken things beyond the interim stage that the resolution was designed to cover. With the IC having acted in bad faith and beyond the terms of 1244, Serbia has the right to resist.

Non-military confrontation can be used to break the systems the IC have set up - if Serbia has a plan and sticks to it.

Otherwise, the situation will become irreversible and that will be the end.

joshka,

I clearly did not use term US but only me, my self and I. I said clearly spare ME mr Djelic and did not say US. I also included referendum that I would like to be organised prior to EU integration and certainly want to be asked for such huge step. I will certainly respect the results of the referendum and the will of the majority. What ever my predictions are, whether wrong or right, I am still entitled on having an opinion and all of my opinions are only mine and no one should be felt jeopardised. I just wonder in regard of what I was so wrong?

bmrusila I really dont think you should blame Djelic for this situation you know. It wasnt him that got us here.

I share the concern, we all do, as Djelic said.

Now is not the time to talk about Kosovo, not the EU.

dear bmrusila, could you please explain all of us, how it would be possible for Serbia to join the EU without a referendum? and please notice: it will not be the decision of Serbia alone. for sure is just: it is not a matter of YOUR opinion. read all your polemic predictions you wrote in B92-forums before the presidential elections. all of them were falsificated by facts - but still you think you are right.

Unfortunately, rational and smart people like Delic is a threat for Kosova. All K-Albanians want is for Serbia to be run by the likes of brumsila.
Ahh... if only Delic and Serbia's leaders would shut down all the embassies in Belgrade and make brumsila happy.

Although it ties a knot in Serbian stomachs, it's certainly not an end game, but simply the beginning. Serbs and Albanians will live in the Balkans for a while to come.

Serbia needs to excersice it's diplomatic right on Kosovo, but cannot do that by head butting and a weak economy..

Until that, Serbia needs to roll up her sleeves, build the economy, harvest her talents, and stop taking everything as a threat to her Nationhood.

Djelic, Djelic, please spear me of the EU and of our best interest to be part of such EU. Serbia should simply say NO to the EU and I don’t want Javier Solana to think that this part of Balkan belongs to the EU. Believe me, once you remove the borders, in future you can expect more land grab. The EU is eager to dismember and cripple our country and by not strictly defining our borders we will face same scenario in future when the EU start falling apart.

Seems that many nations and nationals have aspiration towards our country thus we have to do our best in preserving our borders. After the creation of bloody Yugoslavia, Nikola Pasic just said: “All right, this is all all right but we did not mark and clearly define our borders” and that fact cost us great deal of our country in the last wars.

So, Mr Djelic, your wish to join the EU is your wish but please ask people in referendum right now. Make referendum in few weeks from now and see people’s mood to join that nasty Union.

Unfortunately, rational and smart people like Delic is a threat for Kosova. All K-Albanians want is for Serbia to be run by the likes of brumsila.
Ahh... if only Delic and Serbia's leaders would shut down all the embassies in Belgrade and make brumsila happy.

dear bmrusila, all your prognoses before the presidential elections were definitely wrong. I read all your polemics and I tried to respect your words. but please notice: you were completely wrong! but your arguments did not change. please stopp writing about reality, when you ignore it.

Bganon,

I blamed no one in my post. As a matter of the fact, I really blame no one at all in regard to Kosovo. I just know that who ever governed our country the result would be absolutely the same. I see no difference in treatment by the IC during the 90’a and nowadays. That is how it will be in the future as well, who ever our leaders are. I simply do not support the idea of the EU and possible integration within the EU. That’s it, it is my opinion and I do expect referendum where I can stress my opinion. By then I can only comment over here in b92.

all that came to this: if i met a kosovo serb today i would lower my head in unspeakable shame. not knowing i supported those who tried and are still trying to undermine their very existence with statements like this.
djelic needs to get with the program very soon. this is a different country today. and they need to stop offending people.
as was said once upon a time in the british parliament, 'it is an insult to say it'.
please read this.
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/ralph/workbook/ralprs36.htm

to all. kosovo is now top of serbian national agenda. and then its kosovo. followed by kosovo. and then there's other things. i wish it didn’t turn out that way. but it did.

oh and one more thing, that djelic's comment about guts... he doesn't have any. that's the problem here :)

dear bmrusila, could you please explain all of us, how it would be possible for Serbia to join the EU without a referendum? and please notice: it will not be the decision of Serbia alone. for sure is just: it is not a matter of YOUR opinion. read all your polemic predictions you wrote in B92-forums before the presidential elections. all of them were falsificated by facts - but still you think you are right.

bmrusila I really dont think you should blame Djelic for this situation you know. It wasnt him that got us here.

I share the concern, we all do, as Djelic said.

Now is not the time to talk about Kosovo, not the EU.

Serbia has to INSIST that it will exercise its rights fully over Kosovo.

Anything else is compliance.

Serbia has to make it uncomfortable for the international community - that cannot be done without some discomfort for Serbia.

There's no point in hoping that Kosovo will come back - what will happen is the new status quo will take over.

Serbia should free itself from the obligations that keep it out of Kosovo - the situtation is now beyond 1244 in that the IC has taken things beyond the interim stage that the resolution was designed to cover. With the IC having acted in bad faith and beyond the terms of 1244, Serbia has the right to resist.

Non-military confrontation can be used to break the systems the IC have set up - if Serbia has a plan and sticks to it.

Otherwise, the situation will become irreversible and that will be the end.

joshka,

I clearly did not use term US but only me, my self and I. I said clearly spare ME mr Djelic and did not say US. I also included referendum that I would like to be organised prior to EU integration and certainly want to be asked for such huge step. I will certainly respect the results of the referendum and the will of the majority. What ever my predictions are, whether wrong or right, I am still entitled on having an opinion and all of my opinions are only mine and no one should be felt jeopardised. I just wonder in regard of what I was so wrong?

Although it ties a knot in Serbian stomachs, it's certainly not an end game, but simply the beginning. Serbs and Albanians will live in the Balkans for a while to come.

Serbia needs to excersice it's diplomatic right on Kosovo, but cannot do that by head butting and a weak economy..

Until that, Serbia needs to roll up her sleeves, build the economy, harvest her talents, and stop taking everything as a threat to her Nationhood.

pijetro

excuse me, who are you again? are you in arrogant tones telling us what to do in our own country and how to behave?
we REALLY don't like that :) when will you people learn the most basic thing about this nation? you dont like it, granted, but that doesn't change it: we are who we are. you are dealing with real serbia bang in the middle of this peninsula, and your ideal illusionary version of serbia does not exist and is never coming.
for all my adult life i have supported the ds, voted for them, attended i think, and this sounds ridiculous even to me, but it's true, over 80 protests, that was in 96, 97 when we held them daily against the regime.
but its all over now. i think it's time to start thinking like in a normal democracy. i no longer have this block that i cant vote for some parties because of the past, the eu liberated me of this :), well, danke.
sure we need to realize a lot of things. but here's what the eu needs to realize. we are here in the middle of the balkans and we are lost for them for decades to come. there's no road now from here to there and vice versa. for instance, djelic can sign some agreement, but parliament will not ratify it. if you want new parliament, call new elections, and watch radicals win 70% of the vote.
so no eu. eu is a perverted lie. rehn is using the same language today that chamberlain used after they gave part of the czech land to hitler. it's stunning. i live in this country and i have seen my share of perverted politics. i do not want more of that only with an eu label. and rest assured i am not the only one. even though now they're trying to minimize the damage, my party can take that rik report about the number of votes it got in the last election and frame it, because thats never happening again.

and, p.s., when you say "everything", know that this what's happening is, "everything". a country has its territory assaulted, its sense of values and aspirations turned upside down, direction altered. its huge. those who dont understand the magnitude of this for serbia will find out later. i pity them though for being so short sighted.