The Kosovo Albanians yesterday <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=02&dd=17&nav_id=47766" class="text-link" target= "_blank">adopted a unilateral declaration </a>of independence which Belgrade and Moscow swiftly rejected.
Albanians should stop gloating and get on with the business of creating a viable state! Unfortunately, I think this ask is beyond them. Time will tell!
"we have a new and democratically elected government in Kosova which will be sovereign and independent and a future EU member. Serbia will never be able to join the EU without recognizing it"
I am unclear on this, honestly...
Don't all the EU members need to recognize a new member? And aren't there at least 6 that will not recognize Kosovo as a country let alone a prospective EU member?
Whatever the italian governement is going to declare you, our serbian brothers, have to know that the large part of italian people support your position. Pozdrav od Bari.
(Pasquale Giordano, 18 February 2008 17:02)
Pasqua',
only Bertinotti and some antiamerican anarchists support the position of Serbia on this particular matter. Bertinotti, because he is a communist and does always the opposite of what the US do,
Oh, sorry I forgot the Lega Nord party, that are against everything that sounds remotely muslim, or eastern european or chinese or even southern italian "terroni". So you are finding yourself in the same position of Lega Nord, you see.
The DS party with D'Alema and the others (25% of the votes more or less) were in power in 1999, when the bombing happened and saw what was happening in Kosovo, so they support the Kosovo Albanians.
Berlusconi and his coalition (except the Lega Nord)(almost 50%) support it too. The Radical Party supports it too and many other smaller parties do the same.
They have been elected democratically by the Italian people, so when you say the majority of the Italian people, that is not true.
Blero: "So, let’s see.
We had in the past:
Albanian Nationalists,
Albanian Chauvinists,
Albanian Separatists,
Albanian Irredentists,
Albanian genocide,
Albanian terrorists,
Albanian Jihad, "
Well, unfortunately, we did have all of that, and it is in every history book. Who was with Nazis before? How many people did Albanians expel in WW1 and WW2? Hey, you can even find pictures, before and now, and the only difference is that now we have pictures in color, showing the destruction of Churches and killings of Serbians and their priests.
Well this would not have happened if you would have treated your minorities differently, especially the K-Albanians. You can not blame anybody but yourselves.
Seeing has how the rule of law has been made completely arbitrary in Southeastern Europe, and that recognition is left up to individual members, let me then say that I do not recognize the independence of Kosovo.
Mind you, by not recognizing independence, it should not be translated into "Mike doesn't like Albanians". It means that the procedures in which "independence" came was met legal obstacles at every turn. Therefore in my eyes, Kosovo is not an independent state.
I recognize the presence of the EU Mission in Kosovo and I recognize the executive powers given to the EU High Representative. Just that alone is enough to question the legitimacy of any effective Albanian sovereignty.
Whatever the italian governement is going to declare you, our serbian brothers, have to know that the large part of italian people support your position. Pozdrav od Bari.
Here we go people:
"Bush recognizes Kosovo's independence."
Thanks Mr Bush.
Sorry, for those who thought that America don't keep premises.America is a Truth friend.
This is a good start.
Putin is not happy...oh well who cares?.
Russia can call for another "routine" emergency meeting at UN.
M,
So?
Is GEORGE SZAMUELY any less credible than Bill Clinton & George Bush?
Historically, how many times have the British 'sold out' smaller nations whilst fervently holding on to it's own nationalistic ideals.
Falklands? Northern Ireland?
I am not proud of the attitude of my govt-French- ignoring 1000 years of history, only to please the masters of a destructive plan of the european nations to built a ethnic Europ. What will happen in the future of nation such as france Spain, great Britain... only german/ethnic type of provinces will survive.
Deeply worried frenchman
To all those that cite oppression of minorities to justify secession.
Encyclopedia Britannica, Edition 1973, Vol 13, Page 479
Kosovo Population (1961) 963,988, of whom the majority are Albanian-speaking Shqipetars (aprox. 65%).
Collier's Encyclopedia, Edition 1993, Vol 23, p 726
Kosovo, also known as Kosovo-Metohija..., an area on the south of the Republic of Serbia, southern Yugoslavia. Densely populated, Kosovo had 1,954,747 inhabitants in 1991. The largest group are Albanians (77 percent), Serbs (13 percent), Bosnian Muslims (4 percent), Roma (2 percent), and Montenegrins (2 percent).
In 2005 Kosovo's total population is estimated between 1.9 and 2.2 million in the following ethnic proportions (but many pre-1999 Kosovar Serbs and individuals from other ethnic groups originally from Kosovo now live in Central Serbia, (about 350.000). 92% Albanians,4% Serbs,2% Bosniaks and Gorans,1% Roma & 1% Turks.
Ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have the largest population growth in Europe & one of the highest growth rates on Planet Earth. Over an 82-year period (1921-2003) the population grew 4.6 times.
The Serbian population in Kosovo is simply reciprocal to the Albanian "explosion".
Who are the oppressed minority??
It's time for Croatia to accept the will of the EU and accept Italian fishing boats in Croatian waters and to give Slovenia that piece of land in dispute. Your battle is a no-win situation and a lost cause.
However, for the Serbs, the battle has just begun. This will be endless until our objective is achieved. That is the only possibly solution.
I really don't understand why Albanians, Croatians or anyone for that matter feels the need to tell the Serbians to give up. It is nothing but wishful thinking and a waste of space. But it does provide extra motivation.
Kiko, it's should have not should of. Judging by this mistake I assume that you are either from the UK or USA (I might be wrong and apologise if I am). However, I thinks it's in the very least hypocrytical to talk about Serbian treatment of minorities. Let me remind you of the 9/11 in the USA and 7/7 in the UK and numerous riots in Paris. Was that not the expression of the same dissatisfaction of the islamic minorities against the mainstream politics. There is a wonderful part in the Bible that says :"Judge not lest ye be judged". For such a vector of Christian thought you should have rememberd that bit before passing on your judgements in teh same post.
Nothing unusual here at the moment. The Albanians celebrate and the Serbians express anger.
The next interesting bit will be who recognises Kosovo and what will be done in retaliation. I am expecting Saudi Arabia to be first as I believe they have an interest in creating Islamic states within Europe. With billions of spare petrodollars and great influence over the US, I think they will take the lead.
I wonder whether China will get involved? They have expressed deep concern so will that translate into something?
There have been a few secessionist groups (mainly around Russia) already seeing this as a precedent. I also wonder whether this will snowball.
Well, time will tell! Serbia and Russia need to keep constant and strong diplomatic pressure on undecided countries. I think there a more than the EU and US are willing to admit to, especially within the EU.
It is time fore Serbia to move on you can protest and be the grieved party all you want no body said the world is fair or history. Time to work on making Serbia a prosperous country and bringing the high employment down fore all citizens and not wasting all the energy time resources brain power on no win situation and lost causes. Especially when you have two big Gorillas next door the U.S. and expanding EU empire with their nonsense statements of the European way.
I welcome the demonstrations but they still won't change the fact that we have a new and democratically elected government in Kosova which will be sovereign and independent and a future EU member. Serbia will never be able to join the EU without recognizing it. Nuff said.
So, let’s see.
We had in the past:
Albanian Nationalists,
Albanian Chauvinists,
Albanian Separatists,
Albanian Irredentists,
Albanian genocide,
Albanian terrorists,
Albanian Jihad,
Albanian Fascists
etc….
Any name that could be found in the dictionary has been used by Serbian Politicians.
Shall we add “false country” to this list of names?
Does Serbian government employ special advisors for this?
Maybe you should of encouraged your minority groups and treated them as equals and not look down upon them for mostly being ppl of the faith of islam. And not take your anger of what the Ottoman Empire did to you on the ppl of Kosovo/a. Your resentment, hate, and lack of respect for them brought them to declare their own independence. Milosevic is the person you should blame most and all the older generation for showing hate to others.
As most Serbians are of the Orthodox faith, maybe ppl should read Jesus's teachings and forgive. And show love instead of hate for we will all be judged one day.
What will your answer be when asked why do dislike/hate Albanians so much?
Maybe you should of encouraged your minority groups and treated them as equals and not look down upon them for mostly being ppl of the faith of islam. And not take your anger of what the Ottoman Empire did to you on the ppl of Kosovo/a. Your resentment, hate, and lack of respect for them brought them to declare their own independence. Milosevic is the person you should blame most and all the older generation for showing hate to others.
As most Serbians are of the Orthodox faith, maybe ppl should read Jesus's teachings and forgive. And show love instead of hate for we will all be judged one day.
What will your answer be when asked why do dislike/hate Albanians so much?
So, let’s see.
We had in the past:
Albanian Nationalists,
Albanian Chauvinists,
Albanian Separatists,
Albanian Irredentists,
Albanian genocide,
Albanian terrorists,
Albanian Jihad,
Albanian Fascists
etc….
Any name that could be found in the dictionary has been used by Serbian Politicians.
Shall we add “false country” to this list of names?
Does Serbian government employ special advisors for this?
It's time for Croatia to accept the will of the EU and accept Italian fishing boats in Croatian waters and to give Slovenia that piece of land in dispute. Your battle is a no-win situation and a lost cause.
However, for the Serbs, the battle has just begun. This will be endless until our objective is achieved. That is the only possibly solution.
I really don't understand why Albanians, Croatians or anyone for that matter feels the need to tell the Serbians to give up. It is nothing but wishful thinking and a waste of space. But it does provide extra motivation.
Kiko, it's should have not should of. Judging by this mistake I assume that you are either from the UK or USA (I might be wrong and apologise if I am). However, I thinks it's in the very least hypocrytical to talk about Serbian treatment of minorities. Let me remind you of the 9/11 in the USA and 7/7 in the UK and numerous riots in Paris. Was that not the expression of the same dissatisfaction of the islamic minorities against the mainstream politics. There is a wonderful part in the Bible that says :"Judge not lest ye be judged". For such a vector of Christian thought you should have rememberd that bit before passing on your judgements in teh same post.
I am not proud of the attitude of my govt-French- ignoring 1000 years of history, only to please the masters of a destructive plan of the european nations to built a ethnic Europ. What will happen in the future of nation such as france Spain, great Britain... only german/ethnic type of provinces will survive.
Deeply worried frenchman
To all those that cite oppression of minorities to justify secession.
Encyclopedia Britannica, Edition 1973, Vol 13, Page 479
Kosovo Population (1961) 963,988, of whom the majority are Albanian-speaking Shqipetars (aprox. 65%).
Collier's Encyclopedia, Edition 1993, Vol 23, p 726
Kosovo, also known as Kosovo-Metohija..., an area on the south of the Republic of Serbia, southern Yugoslavia. Densely populated, Kosovo had 1,954,747 inhabitants in 1991. The largest group are Albanians (77 percent), Serbs (13 percent), Bosnian Muslims (4 percent), Roma (2 percent), and Montenegrins (2 percent).
In 2005 Kosovo's total population is estimated between 1.9 and 2.2 million in the following ethnic proportions (but many pre-1999 Kosovar Serbs and individuals from other ethnic groups originally from Kosovo now live in Central Serbia, (about 350.000). 92% Albanians,4% Serbs,2% Bosniaks and Gorans,1% Roma & 1% Turks.
Ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have the largest population growth in Europe & one of the highest growth rates on Planet Earth. Over an 82-year period (1921-2003) the population grew 4.6 times.
The Serbian population in Kosovo is simply reciprocal to the Albanian "explosion".
Who are the oppressed minority??
Seeing has how the rule of law has been made completely arbitrary in Southeastern Europe, and that recognition is left up to individual members, let me then say that I do not recognize the independence of Kosovo.
Mind you, by not recognizing independence, it should not be translated into "Mike doesn't like Albanians". It means that the procedures in which "independence" came was met legal obstacles at every turn. Therefore in my eyes, Kosovo is not an independent state.
I recognize the presence of the EU Mission in Kosovo and I recognize the executive powers given to the EU High Representative. Just that alone is enough to question the legitimacy of any effective Albanian sovereignty.
M,
So?
Is GEORGE SZAMUELY any less credible than Bill Clinton & George Bush?
Historically, how many times have the British 'sold out' smaller nations whilst fervently holding on to it's own nationalistic ideals.
Falklands? Northern Ireland?
Nothing unusual here at the moment. The Albanians celebrate and the Serbians express anger.
The next interesting bit will be who recognises Kosovo and what will be done in retaliation. I am expecting Saudi Arabia to be first as I believe they have an interest in creating Islamic states within Europe. With billions of spare petrodollars and great influence over the US, I think they will take the lead.
I wonder whether China will get involved? They have expressed deep concern so will that translate into something?
There have been a few secessionist groups (mainly around Russia) already seeing this as a precedent. I also wonder whether this will snowball.
Well, time will tell! Serbia and Russia need to keep constant and strong diplomatic pressure on undecided countries. I think there a more than the EU and US are willing to admit to, especially within the EU.
I welcome the demonstrations but they still won't change the fact that we have a new and democratically elected government in Kosova which will be sovereign and independent and a future EU member. Serbia will never be able to join the EU without recognizing it. Nuff said.
Whatever the italian governement is going to declare you, our serbian brothers, have to know that the large part of italian people support your position. Pozdrav od Bari.
It is time fore Serbia to move on you can protest and be the grieved party all you want no body said the world is fair or history. Time to work on making Serbia a prosperous country and bringing the high employment down fore all citizens and not wasting all the energy time resources brain power on no win situation and lost causes. Especially when you have two big Gorillas next door the U.S. and expanding EU empire with their nonsense statements of the European way.
Well this would not have happened if you would have treated your minorities differently, especially the K-Albanians. You can not blame anybody but yourselves.
Blero: "So, let’s see.
We had in the past:
Albanian Nationalists,
Albanian Chauvinists,
Albanian Separatists,
Albanian Irredentists,
Albanian genocide,
Albanian terrorists,
Albanian Jihad, "
Well, unfortunately, we did have all of that, and it is in every history book. Who was with Nazis before? How many people did Albanians expel in WW1 and WW2? Hey, you can even find pictures, before and now, and the only difference is that now we have pictures in color, showing the destruction of Churches and killings of Serbians and their priests.
Here we go people:
"Bush recognizes Kosovo's independence."
Thanks Mr Bush.
Sorry, for those who thought that America don't keep premises.America is a Truth friend.
This is a good start.
Putin is not happy...oh well who cares?.
Russia can call for another "routine" emergency meeting at UN.
Whatever the italian governement is going to declare you, our serbian brothers, have to know that the large part of italian people support your position. Pozdrav od Bari.
(Pasquale Giordano, 18 February 2008 17:02)
Pasqua',
only Bertinotti and some antiamerican anarchists support the position of Serbia on this particular matter. Bertinotti, because he is a communist and does always the opposite of what the US do,
Oh, sorry I forgot the Lega Nord party, that are against everything that sounds remotely muslim, or eastern european or chinese or even southern italian "terroni". So you are finding yourself in the same position of Lega Nord, you see.
The DS party with D'Alema and the others (25% of the votes more or less) were in power in 1999, when the bombing happened and saw what was happening in Kosovo, so they support the Kosovo Albanians.
Berlusconi and his coalition (except the Lega Nord)(almost 50%) support it too. The Radical Party supports it too and many other smaller parties do the same.
They have been elected democratically by the Italian people, so when you say the majority of the Italian people, that is not true.
Albanians should stop gloating and get on with the business of creating a viable state! Unfortunately, I think this ask is beyond them. Time will tell!
"we have a new and democratically elected government in Kosova which will be sovereign and independent and a future EU member. Serbia will never be able to join the EU without recognizing it"
I am unclear on this, honestly...
Don't all the EU members need to recognize a new member? And aren't there at least 6 that will not recognize Kosovo as a country let alone a prospective EU member?
Maybe you should of encouraged your minority groups and treated them as equals and not look down upon them for mostly being ppl of the faith of islam. And not take your anger of what the Ottoman Empire did to you on the ppl of Kosovo/a. Your resentment, hate, and lack of respect for them brought them to declare their own independence. Milosevic is the person you should blame most and all the older generation for showing hate to others.
As most Serbians are of the Orthodox faith, maybe ppl should read Jesus's teachings and forgive. And show love instead of hate for we will all be judged one day.
What will your answer be when asked why do dislike/hate Albanians so much?
So, let’s see.
We had in the past:
Albanian Nationalists,
Albanian Chauvinists,
Albanian Separatists,
Albanian Irredentists,
Albanian genocide,
Albanian terrorists,
Albanian Jihad,
Albanian Fascists
etc….
Any name that could be found in the dictionary has been used by Serbian Politicians.
Shall we add “false country” to this list of names?
Does Serbian government employ special advisors for this?
Well this would not have happened if you would have treated your minorities differently, especially the K-Albanians. You can not blame anybody but yourselves.
Here we go people:
"Bush recognizes Kosovo's independence."
Thanks Mr Bush.
Sorry, for those who thought that America don't keep premises.America is a Truth friend.
This is a good start.
Putin is not happy...oh well who cares?.
Russia can call for another "routine" emergency meeting at UN.
I welcome the demonstrations but they still won't change the fact that we have a new and democratically elected government in Kosova which will be sovereign and independent and a future EU member. Serbia will never be able to join the EU without recognizing it. Nuff said.
Kiko, it's should have not should of. Judging by this mistake I assume that you are either from the UK or USA (I might be wrong and apologise if I am). However, I thinks it's in the very least hypocrytical to talk about Serbian treatment of minorities. Let me remind you of the 9/11 in the USA and 7/7 in the UK and numerous riots in Paris. Was that not the expression of the same dissatisfaction of the islamic minorities against the mainstream politics. There is a wonderful part in the Bible that says :"Judge not lest ye be judged". For such a vector of Christian thought you should have rememberd that bit before passing on your judgements in teh same post.
It is time fore Serbia to move on you can protest and be the grieved party all you want no body said the world is fair or history. Time to work on making Serbia a prosperous country and bringing the high employment down fore all citizens and not wasting all the energy time resources brain power on no win situation and lost causes. Especially when you have two big Gorillas next door the U.S. and expanding EU empire with their nonsense statements of the European way.
Whatever the italian governement is going to declare you, our serbian brothers, have to know that the large part of italian people support your position. Pozdrav od Bari.
(Pasquale Giordano, 18 February 2008 17:02)
Pasqua',
only Bertinotti and some antiamerican anarchists support the position of Serbia on this particular matter. Bertinotti, because he is a communist and does always the opposite of what the US do,
Oh, sorry I forgot the Lega Nord party, that are against everything that sounds remotely muslim, or eastern european or chinese or even southern italian "terroni". So you are finding yourself in the same position of Lega Nord, you see.
The DS party with D'Alema and the others (25% of the votes more or less) were in power in 1999, when the bombing happened and saw what was happening in Kosovo, so they support the Kosovo Albanians.
Berlusconi and his coalition (except the Lega Nord)(almost 50%) support it too. The Radical Party supports it too and many other smaller parties do the same.
They have been elected democratically by the Italian people, so when you say the majority of the Italian people, that is not true.
Nothing unusual here at the moment. The Albanians celebrate and the Serbians express anger.
The next interesting bit will be who recognises Kosovo and what will be done in retaliation. I am expecting Saudi Arabia to be first as I believe they have an interest in creating Islamic states within Europe. With billions of spare petrodollars and great influence over the US, I think they will take the lead.
I wonder whether China will get involved? They have expressed deep concern so will that translate into something?
There have been a few secessionist groups (mainly around Russia) already seeing this as a precedent. I also wonder whether this will snowball.
Well, time will tell! Serbia and Russia need to keep constant and strong diplomatic pressure on undecided countries. I think there a more than the EU and US are willing to admit to, especially within the EU.
I am not proud of the attitude of my govt-French- ignoring 1000 years of history, only to please the masters of a destructive plan of the european nations to built a ethnic Europ. What will happen in the future of nation such as france Spain, great Britain... only german/ethnic type of provinces will survive.
Deeply worried frenchman
It's time for Croatia to accept the will of the EU and accept Italian fishing boats in Croatian waters and to give Slovenia that piece of land in dispute. Your battle is a no-win situation and a lost cause.
However, for the Serbs, the battle has just begun. This will be endless until our objective is achieved. That is the only possibly solution.
I really don't understand why Albanians, Croatians or anyone for that matter feels the need to tell the Serbians to give up. It is nothing but wishful thinking and a waste of space. But it does provide extra motivation.
To all those that cite oppression of minorities to justify secession.
Encyclopedia Britannica, Edition 1973, Vol 13, Page 479
Kosovo Population (1961) 963,988, of whom the majority are Albanian-speaking Shqipetars (aprox. 65%).
Collier's Encyclopedia, Edition 1993, Vol 23, p 726
Kosovo, also known as Kosovo-Metohija..., an area on the south of the Republic of Serbia, southern Yugoslavia. Densely populated, Kosovo had 1,954,747 inhabitants in 1991. The largest group are Albanians (77 percent), Serbs (13 percent), Bosnian Muslims (4 percent), Roma (2 percent), and Montenegrins (2 percent).
In 2005 Kosovo's total population is estimated between 1.9 and 2.2 million in the following ethnic proportions (but many pre-1999 Kosovar Serbs and individuals from other ethnic groups originally from Kosovo now live in Central Serbia, (about 350.000). 92% Albanians,4% Serbs,2% Bosniaks and Gorans,1% Roma & 1% Turks.
Ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have the largest population growth in Europe & one of the highest growth rates on Planet Earth. Over an 82-year period (1921-2003) the population grew 4.6 times.
The Serbian population in Kosovo is simply reciprocal to the Albanian "explosion".
Who are the oppressed minority??
M,
So?
Is GEORGE SZAMUELY any less credible than Bill Clinton & George Bush?
Historically, how many times have the British 'sold out' smaller nations whilst fervently holding on to it's own nationalistic ideals.
Falklands? Northern Ireland?
Whatever the italian governement is going to declare you, our serbian brothers, have to know that the large part of italian people support your position. Pozdrav od Bari.
Seeing has how the rule of law has been made completely arbitrary in Southeastern Europe, and that recognition is left up to individual members, let me then say that I do not recognize the independence of Kosovo.
Mind you, by not recognizing independence, it should not be translated into "Mike doesn't like Albanians". It means that the procedures in which "independence" came was met legal obstacles at every turn. Therefore in my eyes, Kosovo is not an independent state.
I recognize the presence of the EU Mission in Kosovo and I recognize the executive powers given to the EU High Representative. Just that alone is enough to question the legitimacy of any effective Albanian sovereignty.
Blero: "So, let’s see.
We had in the past:
Albanian Nationalists,
Albanian Chauvinists,
Albanian Separatists,
Albanian Irredentists,
Albanian genocide,
Albanian terrorists,
Albanian Jihad, "
Well, unfortunately, we did have all of that, and it is in every history book. Who was with Nazis before? How many people did Albanians expel in WW1 and WW2? Hey, you can even find pictures, before and now, and the only difference is that now we have pictures in color, showing the destruction of Churches and killings of Serbians and their priests.
"we have a new and democratically elected government in Kosova which will be sovereign and independent and a future EU member. Serbia will never be able to join the EU without recognizing it"
I am unclear on this, honestly...
Don't all the EU members need to recognize a new member? And aren't there at least 6 that will not recognize Kosovo as a country let alone a prospective EU member?
Albanians should stop gloating and get on with the business of creating a viable state! Unfortunately, I think this ask is beyond them. Time will tell!
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