Rumors rife of Kosovo Serb assembly

How funny. A parallel institition to a parallel institution.

What Kostunica is calling foul in Pristina, Sejdiu is now calling fowl in Mitrovica. But hey, what's good for the Albanians must be good for the Serbs, and if Pristina is going to go ahead with a UDI next Sunday, I fully and unconditionally support the existence of Serb parallel structures throughout the region. I mean seriously, if the accepted rationale is that Albanians will not acknowlegdge Serbian political institutions, why should we assume Serbs will follow Albanian?

If it is true, it is a good move for the Kosovo Serbs. The European Countries MUST understand that recognizing Kosovo as an indipendent State is a big mistake which will be a very dangerous precedent and that it will take a more serious Islamism in Europe. The creation of an autonomous Assembly of Kosovo Serbs could open the blind eyes to those European Governements who are acting just as sheeps following the USA's will. The Indipendence Kosovo is an ILLEGAL action outside any international legal framework. All the Countries which will recognize Kosovo as an indipendent state will be directly responsible for the distruction of the International Law.
Go ahead Kosovo Serbs, but first of all be united among yourself! The time of inside hurts is over, now you must be united!

If this is true, I can just say excellent move. What other choice Serbs in Kosovo have? None. Serbs cannot allow to be governed by Albanians in some quasi independent republic of Kosovo. Therefore, this move should not surprise anyone since the de facto partition already exists for 9 years. Albanians have absolutely no power nor control over the North of Ibar River and if any forceful action against this fact is taken, it may only lead to new bloodshed. It would be wise to leave the things the way they are, Serbs under Belgrade’s umbrella and Albanians under Pristina’s.


“That sort of assembly would not be legal and would not represent the citizens of Kosovo. No other institutions, save those elected by the free will of the citizens is legitimate in Kosovo,“ said Xhavit Beqiri, Kosovo President Fatmir Sejdiu’s spokesman.

- No Beqiri, your possible declaration of independence will be illegal and let Serbs decide what is best for them. You can be sure that Serbs in Kosovo under Belgrade’s control will be just legal and fine. You would like entire Kosovo for your selves, well that won’t happen as the North originally does not belong to Kosovo.
And yes, our churches and monasteries have to be moved from the South of Ibar River.

Koshtunica and Samardzic are preparing the scenario to destabilise northern Kosova of Mitrovica and Southern Serbia of the region of Presevo Bujanovc and Medvedja. I hope that the Serbs will not fall into their trap and regret again.
If Koshtinica is a decent polititian he should resign bear in mind the results of the Serbian last Presidential election and its role in these election.

Arlinda,

lets be very clear this in no way is partition - Kosovo & Metohija remains integral to Serbia. Illegal unilateral declarations of dependence will be he polictical choice of ethnic Albanians but all of Kosovo & Metohija will remain integral just as it is stated in UN SC 1244 - supposedly the illogical EU's basis for a non-UN sanctioned mission to control ethnic Albanians since it relayes just to them!!! All those who remain loyal to the continued Sovereign state as tstated in 1244 can do so which is what will happen across all of Kosovo & Metohija as this is the democratic right of these Serbian citizens!

There will be no partition just even greater confusion and instability - soon you will realise that false promises were worse then status Quo!!! This is just a taster of what is about to be so celebrate as much as you wish on the 17th but come the 18th Kosovo & Metohija will still remain integral to Serbia unfortunetly the much needed economic development of its province will be postponed beyond the 9 years that have already passed!

Illegal declarations remain illegal even if they are illegally recognised!

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Just getting the north ready to declair its independence from Pristina. That all.

“That sort of assembly would not be legal and would not represent the citizens of Kosovo. No other institutions, save those elected by the free will of the citizens is legitimate in Kosovo" this guy is a joke. He doesnt respect a countries territorial integritiy, soveriegnity and international law and has the guts to say that this assembly is not legal. Just like ethnic Albanians in Serbia dont want to be represented by Belgrade, Serbs in KiM dotn want to be represented by the KLA in Pristina.

I always thought that the best option is partition. In this way Serbia will have no more influence in Kosovo Albanians. Serbs stay with Serbs, Albanians with Albanians and when they kill thmeselves they can't blame each other but themselves.
If Northern Kosovo stays, will have trouble forever!

Belgrade is not stupid. They will announce this K-Serb assembly only AFTER Pristina's UDI ie. they will let the K=Albanians be the FIRST to violate 1244, after which Belgrade will maintain that it is only protecting its sovereignty legally provided by 1244.

Mr Sudoko,

You are wrong about Russia and G7 (+1).
Russia never got a full membership. Initially it was invited to be part of the group as an outsider, and observ.
The group used to be called G7 plus Russia, or G7+1.
Lately (read John McCains' program es a potential future president of the only World Superpower, and main member of G7) Russia was NOT even invited to their meetings, last meeting was a pure G7.
There are voices that India and Brazil may be invited, as they are true democracies and Industrial countries, criteria Russia does not meet.
Persecution of freethinking opponents, incursion of Japanese, Norvegian, georgian, British....space. Blacmale of Polish (row over meet), georgian, ukrain...the list is long of behaviours that do not belonge to a G7 member.
Reserves of oil and gas do not compensate for the above.
It surprises me that someone like you, who can accept all the above, and rise your voice in protection of the oppresion behaviours' of Russian Federation.

Miri, if Thaci is genuine in his sentiments of co-habitation in Kosovo, I've yet to be convinced of it. Remember Thaci is to Serbs what Arkan is to Albanians, and the very fact that you have little to no faith in Serbian political institutions is mutually felt by Serbs towards your own political organizations. Your entire reason for secession is simple: you feel you can no longer live under Serbian authority after what happened in 1999. I can understand that. But what makes you think that Serbs should live under your authority? You don't want to live under them, and they don't want to live under you. Serbia can talk all they want about absolute autonomy, and you're not going to take it. OK fine. But please don't act incredulous when Serbs don't trust a single word from Thaci's offer of peaceful co-existence.

Mike, if you want partition, put it on the table. Otherwise whatever you are doing to us, we will do to you. You don't recognize us, we don't recognize you.

To put things in perspective of what I am trying to say;
When did an official of Serbia came to Albanians and say, "Let's live together" like Thaci did last week meeting with a Serbian family. I am not asking for your opinion on how genuine Thaci's act is. Albanians are offering Serbs co-governing, Serbs are offering nothing to Albanians. They want the land but avoid Albanians like the plague.

Don't put such parallels in your comparisons. Albanians (the victims) are stretching their hand to Serb minority in Kosova, while it should have been the other way around. For people like those writing in here, the confrontation is a goal in itself and its the ultimate goal.

Rumors rife of:
1. Preshevo Vally albanian assembly
2. Russia is being kicked out of G8.

Since everything about Kosovo's independence is illegal and done by outside intervention, Serbs in the province should automatically declare void any unilateral declaration, while The Government of Serbia must be prepared to defend their rights actively at the UN, Council of Europe, and other organizations for a long period ahead.
About the EU mission: what we need today is not an EU mission, rather a NATO humanitarian intervention against the Albanians, since two thirds of the Serb population of Kosovo is still not allowed to return home (weren't these the arguments why Kosovo was taken from Serbia by force?)

ToniUK

Why should Russia be kicked out of the G8? It is one of the world's most powerful countries and no one is kicking them out of anywhere.

Lurk here all the time and am always glad to hear the voice of reason, Mike. Could be that the proclamation of independence of Northern Mitrovica is plan of the greater powers. Macho Jackson suggested it, and he is not alone. The US(my country which i am not proud of) cant bear to lose face to the Albanians(and maybe the rest of the islamic world) who they have promised independence to. If Mitrovica secedes it may be the velvet revolution like Czechoslovakia. Will NATO risk going in there and seizing control of Gazivoda, and rounding up the serbs for detention. I doubt it and I hope that they arent that stupid. The lack of respect for the UN and rule of law, I find extremely troubling.

There is still hope for democracy in Russia.
(Peter Sudyka, 10 February 2008 16:29)

So Peter, what do we do until that happens?
Sorry Peter, strike through my last sentence.
It should say:
So Peter, what is the likelihood of that happening in our lifetime.
Until then any mentioning of “Russia upholding the International law(s)” as far as we are concerned just a meaningless sentence (same as the newspaper that is good only for wrapping cheap plates when you move home).
Do you actually believe that Russia has a leg to stand when human rights and the respect of law is concerned.
Being Polish yourself I would believe that you know how effective Russian humanitarian law is. I remember seeing pictures of thousands “URSUS” tractors bound for Russia at the same time when there were queues miles long in Warsaw for basic food products. Do you remember those days?
Do you actually believe that the democracy will reach Russia soon?
I hope you are right, though I fear the opposite.

That is so stupid. If that happens, it will be nothing else but the last phase of Serbia's (proper) final disintegration. In 20 years Serbia will be full of regional 'mini-parliaments' which are destined to end in separation.

ToniUK

You are right when it comes to the behavior of Putin, which I too view as nationalist with regards to ex-Soviet States seeking the Western path and ex-Warsaw Pact allies already in the EU (I view his recent ideas as completely irrational and stubbornly anti-Western), but he will not lead Russia forever, I am talking about the country itself, it is a global power and will perhaps change its tone when Medvedev or someone else in the future takes over. There is still hope for democracy in Russia.

Arlinda,

Partion as you mention wont solve the problems, it would contrary boost the problems not only in Kosova/Serbia but other parts of the Balkan. They are not waiting for Kosova Independence but partion wich would give them a reason to go ahead for their own demends. If we let go the northern part, then why not draw ethnicity lines in all of Balkans?

Koshtunica and Samardzic are preparing the scenario to destabilise northern Kosova of Mitrovica and Southern Serbia of the region of Presevo Bujanovc and Medvedja. I hope that the Serbs will not fall into their trap and regret again.
If Koshtinica is a decent polititian he should resign bear in mind the results of the Serbian last Presidential election and its role in these election.

Mike, if you want partition, put it on the table. Otherwise whatever you are doing to us, we will do to you. You don't recognize us, we don't recognize you.

To put things in perspective of what I am trying to say;
When did an official of Serbia came to Albanians and say, "Let's live together" like Thaci did last week meeting with a Serbian family. I am not asking for your opinion on how genuine Thaci's act is. Albanians are offering Serbs co-governing, Serbs are offering nothing to Albanians. They want the land but avoid Albanians like the plague.

Don't put such parallels in your comparisons. Albanians (the victims) are stretching their hand to Serb minority in Kosova, while it should have been the other way around. For people like those writing in here, the confrontation is a goal in itself and its the ultimate goal.

If it is true, it is a good move for the Kosovo Serbs. The European Countries MUST understand that recognizing Kosovo as an indipendent State is a big mistake which will be a very dangerous precedent and that it will take a more serious Islamism in Europe. The creation of an autonomous Assembly of Kosovo Serbs could open the blind eyes to those European Governements who are acting just as sheeps following the USA's will. The Indipendence Kosovo is an ILLEGAL action outside any international legal framework. All the Countries which will recognize Kosovo as an indipendent state will be directly responsible for the distruction of the International Law.
Go ahead Kosovo Serbs, but first of all be united among yourself! The time of inside hurts is over, now you must be united!

I always thought that the best option is partition. In this way Serbia will have no more influence in Kosovo Albanians. Serbs stay with Serbs, Albanians with Albanians and when they kill thmeselves they can't blame each other but themselves.
If Northern Kosovo stays, will have trouble forever!

Arlinda,

Partion as you mention wont solve the problems, it would contrary boost the problems not only in Kosova/Serbia but other parts of the Balkan. They are not waiting for Kosova Independence but partion wich would give them a reason to go ahead for their own demends. If we let go the northern part, then why not draw ethnicity lines in all of Balkans?

Rumors rife of:
1. Preshevo Vally albanian assembly
2. Russia is being kicked out of G8.

That is so stupid. If that happens, it will be nothing else but the last phase of Serbia's (proper) final disintegration. In 20 years Serbia will be full of regional 'mini-parliaments' which are destined to end in separation.

Mr Sudoko,

You are wrong about Russia and G7 (+1).
Russia never got a full membership. Initially it was invited to be part of the group as an outsider, and observ.
The group used to be called G7 plus Russia, or G7+1.
Lately (read John McCains' program es a potential future president of the only World Superpower, and main member of G7) Russia was NOT even invited to their meetings, last meeting was a pure G7.
There are voices that India and Brazil may be invited, as they are true democracies and Industrial countries, criteria Russia does not meet.
Persecution of freethinking opponents, incursion of Japanese, Norvegian, georgian, British....space. Blacmale of Polish (row over meet), georgian, ukrain...the list is long of behaviours that do not belonge to a G7 member.
Reserves of oil and gas do not compensate for the above.
It surprises me that someone like you, who can accept all the above, and rise your voice in protection of the oppresion behaviours' of Russian Federation.

There is still hope for democracy in Russia.
(Peter Sudyka, 10 February 2008 16:29)

So Peter, what do we do until that happens?
Sorry Peter, strike through my last sentence.
It should say:
So Peter, what is the likelihood of that happening in our lifetime.
Until then any mentioning of “Russia upholding the International law(s)” as far as we are concerned just a meaningless sentence (same as the newspaper that is good only for wrapping cheap plates when you move home).
Do you actually believe that Russia has a leg to stand when human rights and the respect of law is concerned.
Being Polish yourself I would believe that you know how effective Russian humanitarian law is. I remember seeing pictures of thousands “URSUS” tractors bound for Russia at the same time when there were queues miles long in Warsaw for basic food products. Do you remember those days?
Do you actually believe that the democracy will reach Russia soon?
I hope you are right, though I fear the opposite.

If this is true, I can just say excellent move. What other choice Serbs in Kosovo have? None. Serbs cannot allow to be governed by Albanians in some quasi independent republic of Kosovo. Therefore, this move should not surprise anyone since the de facto partition already exists for 9 years. Albanians have absolutely no power nor control over the North of Ibar River and if any forceful action against this fact is taken, it may only lead to new bloodshed. It would be wise to leave the things the way they are, Serbs under Belgrade’s umbrella and Albanians under Pristina’s.


“That sort of assembly would not be legal and would not represent the citizens of Kosovo. No other institutions, save those elected by the free will of the citizens is legitimate in Kosovo,“ said Xhavit Beqiri, Kosovo President Fatmir Sejdiu’s spokesman.

- No Beqiri, your possible declaration of independence will be illegal and let Serbs decide what is best for them. You can be sure that Serbs in Kosovo under Belgrade’s control will be just legal and fine. You would like entire Kosovo for your selves, well that won’t happen as the North originally does not belong to Kosovo.
And yes, our churches and monasteries have to be moved from the South of Ibar River.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Arlinda,

lets be very clear this in no way is partition - Kosovo & Metohija remains integral to Serbia. Illegal unilateral declarations of dependence will be he polictical choice of ethnic Albanians but all of Kosovo & Metohija will remain integral just as it is stated in UN SC 1244 - supposedly the illogical EU's basis for a non-UN sanctioned mission to control ethnic Albanians since it relayes just to them!!! All those who remain loyal to the continued Sovereign state as tstated in 1244 can do so which is what will happen across all of Kosovo & Metohija as this is the democratic right of these Serbian citizens!

There will be no partition just even greater confusion and instability - soon you will realise that false promises were worse then status Quo!!! This is just a taster of what is about to be so celebrate as much as you wish on the 17th but come the 18th Kosovo & Metohija will still remain integral to Serbia unfortunetly the much needed economic development of its province will be postponed beyond the 9 years that have already passed!

Illegal declarations remain illegal even if they are illegally recognised!

Since everything about Kosovo's independence is illegal and done by outside intervention, Serbs in the province should automatically declare void any unilateral declaration, while The Government of Serbia must be prepared to defend their rights actively at the UN, Council of Europe, and other organizations for a long period ahead.
About the EU mission: what we need today is not an EU mission, rather a NATO humanitarian intervention against the Albanians, since two thirds of the Serb population of Kosovo is still not allowed to return home (weren't these the arguments why Kosovo was taken from Serbia by force?)

How funny. A parallel institition to a parallel institution.

What Kostunica is calling foul in Pristina, Sejdiu is now calling fowl in Mitrovica. But hey, what's good for the Albanians must be good for the Serbs, and if Pristina is going to go ahead with a UDI next Sunday, I fully and unconditionally support the existence of Serb parallel structures throughout the region. I mean seriously, if the accepted rationale is that Albanians will not acknowlegdge Serbian political institutions, why should we assume Serbs will follow Albanian?

“That sort of assembly would not be legal and would not represent the citizens of Kosovo. No other institutions, save those elected by the free will of the citizens is legitimate in Kosovo" this guy is a joke. He doesnt respect a countries territorial integritiy, soveriegnity and international law and has the guts to say that this assembly is not legal. Just like ethnic Albanians in Serbia dont want to be represented by Belgrade, Serbs in KiM dotn want to be represented by the KLA in Pristina.

Just getting the north ready to declair its independence from Pristina. That all.

Miri, if Thaci is genuine in his sentiments of co-habitation in Kosovo, I've yet to be convinced of it. Remember Thaci is to Serbs what Arkan is to Albanians, and the very fact that you have little to no faith in Serbian political institutions is mutually felt by Serbs towards your own political organizations. Your entire reason for secession is simple: you feel you can no longer live under Serbian authority after what happened in 1999. I can understand that. But what makes you think that Serbs should live under your authority? You don't want to live under them, and they don't want to live under you. Serbia can talk all they want about absolute autonomy, and you're not going to take it. OK fine. But please don't act incredulous when Serbs don't trust a single word from Thaci's offer of peaceful co-existence.

Lurk here all the time and am always glad to hear the voice of reason, Mike. Could be that the proclamation of independence of Northern Mitrovica is plan of the greater powers. Macho Jackson suggested it, and he is not alone. The US(my country which i am not proud of) cant bear to lose face to the Albanians(and maybe the rest of the islamic world) who they have promised independence to. If Mitrovica secedes it may be the velvet revolution like Czechoslovakia. Will NATO risk going in there and seizing control of Gazivoda, and rounding up the serbs for detention. I doubt it and I hope that they arent that stupid. The lack of respect for the UN and rule of law, I find extremely troubling.

ToniUK

Why should Russia be kicked out of the G8? It is one of the world's most powerful countries and no one is kicking them out of anywhere.

Belgrade is not stupid. They will announce this K-Serb assembly only AFTER Pristina's UDI ie. they will let the K=Albanians be the FIRST to violate 1244, after which Belgrade will maintain that it is only protecting its sovereignty legally provided by 1244.

ToniUK

You are right when it comes to the behavior of Putin, which I too view as nationalist with regards to ex-Soviet States seeking the Western path and ex-Warsaw Pact allies already in the EU (I view his recent ideas as completely irrational and stubbornly anti-Western), but he will not lead Russia forever, I am talking about the country itself, it is a global power and will perhaps change its tone when Medvedev or someone else in the future takes over. There is still hope for democracy in Russia.