"Declaration day: February 17"

I hope that the "mistery" of dates is over now. It is all going to be "co-ordinated" for those whom are "confused" about the dates)
I hope that Serbia will not retaliate and "starve" its "own" people))
Let's start talking REAL PEACE between Kosova and Serbia as two independent countries with join AIM EU full integration.

This really is a great news
i hope we will have a good start
all Kosovars living side by side
kosovar albanians kosovar serbs bosniac and all the rest
P-E-A-C-E

Not a good idea they will have many neighbouring countries who will not support their independence.
As for Serbia I expect her to use all diplomatic means to get back what has been stolen. This diplomatic battle must be relentless and successful. The declaration of independence is illegal which makes it fragile and precarious any country supporting independence can just as easily withdraw its support. Serbia must exploit its position to the full.

EA, you said that you hope Serbia will not retaliate and "starve" it's own people. You have been saying for a long time now that Kosovo is not Serbian, so how come now you are saying that Kosovo population is Serbian?

By starving it's own people tells me that you consider people of Kosovo to be Serbian.

You change like the wind. You are Serbian when it suits you to be.

I would think that February 14th would be a better day to declare independence as it is a day for all who love each other. Albanians have so many countries that love them so February 14th would be perfect.

Don't kid yourself. Nothing will happen on the 17th. You might declare independence but you certainly won't get it. A little obsticle like the law might get in the way.

There are people who will uphold the law. There are law breakers and law enforcers. Fortunately Serbia has the law on her side and someone is going to have to enforce the law.

All right, lets see is it going to be just as they claim. After all they did maybe consult Baba Vanga or some other clairvoyant. What I can see and what is good to us is the fact that there will be individual recognition. The EU clearly did not reach common position on Kosovo independence (which was known form the very beginning). I just hope that after this individual recognition started, each country will reconsider once more its decision.

Not a good idea they will have many neighbouring countries who will not support their independence.(Pera, 9 February 2008 12:21)
Only Serbia and Bosnia. And this is for sure.
Let count:
1. Slovenia - YES. The first or the second group of EU.
2. Albania - YES. Second Group with EU.
3. Macedonia YES even before Albania.
4. Croatia. YES April before NATO meeting in Bucarest.
5. Montenegro YES after have done it Croatia or in second group with Greece.
6. Greece - YES in the second group of EU.
7. Turkia - YES after first group of EU.
8. Bulgaria - YES. Before April in NATO meeting.
9. Rumania later in 2008.
10. Bosnia after Rumania. Only reason is Serbska Republik.
11. Serbia will recognize it in 2010.

I think people of Kosovo deserve a better life!
Celebrations will happen in every part of the World.
Justice will prevail.
Free Kosova and to all Serbia:Be a sport,recognise us as a country and let's enjoy what is left from our life!
Gezuar e ziveli!

EA you say "you hope Serbia wont retaliate and starve their own people."

More Serbs have had to leave kosovo because of the last ten years of Albanians retaliating to the Serbian Leaders. However, if there is inequality amongst a nation then the fight should be for equality not over independence. If Kosovo does receive independence then it is no longer apart of Serbia. You can not blame Serbian government for sanctions. (And don't worry. I'm sure sanctions will just be a gesture of disapproval for show. The EU isn't going to allow it's newest puppet starve.) I just wish that the Albanians living in SERBIA in the southern state of Kosovo would do what all the mistreated Serbians who had to flee as refugees from the former Yugoslavia have done in the U.K., Austria, U.S., Canada, and Australia. That is to make an attempt to make the country they live in a better place, even when it is not "their" country. Serbia is no longer a Milosevic ran State. There is a new government that is running a great Democracy in Serbia, and instead of using the excuses of the past, you should work for a better future for the country you live in, Serbia.
Unfortunately far too many living in Kosovo could care less about equality or piece. You care about nothing more than profit of land.(Much like your so called allies.) Proof of this is in the threats from Albanians against peice and equality assured and promised by Serbia to the U.N. to keep its territorial integrity.

I am sorry Serbia, and know that many support you and the strides you have made. Never in a games of chess have I seen so many pawns being played.

Don't kid yourself. Nothing will happen on the 17th. You might declare independence but you certainly won't get it. A little obsticle like the law might get in the way.

There are people who will uphold the law. There are law breakers and law enforcers. Fortunately Serbia has the law on her side and someone is going to have to enforce the law.
(peggy, 9 February 2008 15:29)

Peggy,

Do you really believe that Albanians are kidding themselves?
I take the liberty of actually saying the opposite.
On the other note, I am really confused with your interpretation of a number of comments such as EA’s (also including a number of my comments).
I read EA’s comment and though your English is most likely better that mine the comment was crystal clear to me.
Finally, the reply to your last sentence:
It is thanks to the people that uphold the law that Serbia could not finish the cleansing of Kosova they attempted to do in 1999.
It is thanks to the same law upholding civilized nations that Kosova is in the final hurdle of independence.
And please don’t make us laugh with comments such as “Fortunately Serbia has the law on her side and someone is going to have to enforce the law”.
We know that the only thing Serbia has on her side is Mother Russia.

There have been articles written by prominent US politicians (Bolton, Eagleburger, etc)in influential newspapers and in articles by influential newspapers (Wall Street Journal recently) that are advising the Bush administration to back off on recognition of Kosovo and urge autonomy as defined in UNSC 1244. These newspapers and politicians have been harbingers in the past indicating which way the wind is blowing. Now the EU is stating that each country can decide if it wants to recognize and independent Kosovo instead of full EU recognition. Lets wait and see what happens. As Serbia well knows todays friends are tomorrows enemies, and vice-versa.

Pera,

There are more or less 194 world countries and 100 of them (most of which are large or developed countries) will recognize Kosova within days/weeks, a considerable number of the rest will follow within months/years.

Considering the above, it really wont matter how relentless Serbia's diplomatic efforts will be.

Eventually, Serbia too will have to recognize us.

This declaration is long overdue. It will be followed by the recognition of leading Western countries, who will help Kosovo economically. The other hesitant, less important countries will follow. The independence will open the way for foreign investments and a better life for all its citizens. This declaration should have been done already years ago. As a result all Kosovars would already enjoy a better life and peace.

You can't hold hostage 2 mil. people...
Kosovo is independent(technically),and more than 100 countries world-wide will Officially recognize it on the 17'th..

So kosovar's,where almost there..the final countdown..

ea, and all other albanians, just the mere fact of you referring to Serbian land as kosova, shows that you do not want to peacefully talk but, try and poke a finger in Serb eyes, When albanians accept that they live on Serbian soil, then we can talk peacefully.

EA, you said that you hope Serbia will not retaliate and "starve" it's own people. You have been saying for a long time now that Kosovo is not Serbian, so how come now you are saying that Kosovo population is Serbian?

By starving it's own people tells me that you consider people of Kosovo to be Serbian.

(peggy, 9 February 2008 15:29)
Ohh poor peggy.
By that EU are saying that don't even try to embargo the Kosovo because in a open market economy, goverment and people of Kosovo will find other way to get electricity and other imported products that used to come from Serbia. In return Serbia will not get the EURO needed to feed it own people in Serbia and not in Kosovo. Serbian economy is going to suffer not Kosovo's economy. There are other neighbour country willing to help and even if prices are going up because of it, there is no problem because first people can live poor for a while and second EU will help economicaly Kosovo as they have done it before. Serbia will suffered by their own "embargo" that I personaly feel that it is a political word that mean nothing practicaly. It is used by Kostunica to keep the highest executive position in Serbian goverment with 10% of Serbian votes. This is a personal survival method of Kostunica.

What EA is saying is that Serbia could cut off its ties with most European capitals in a stupid act of retaliation. This obviously will "starve its own people", meaning the people in Serbia proper. As far as Kosova, K-Albanians have stopped for decades, on counting on Serbia for their well being.

Marks, Please don't ooh poor Peggy me. I am not poor and I don't need your pity or your sarcasm.

You are a real comedian aren't you? Do you really expect me to believe that Serbia will starve if they don't trade with Kosovo?

Kosovo is a charity case and will be for a very long time. What can someone on welfare offer another?
On the contrary, how many countries are going to look to Kosovo as their trading partner? The only thing that the US sees is a territory worth exploiting for a while. You will get nothing in return. Kosovo will remain a haven for drugs and prostitution but not much else.

So you see, Serbia doesn't need Kosovo. Kosovo needs everyone and anyone who is willing to throw it a bone.

And for all of you who say that Serbia doesn't have law on her side but only has Russia is just plain wrong. If it wasn't for that law Kosovo would be independent long ago. Serbia has legal and moral clain to her own territory. No matter how you spin it, you are still stealing or attempting to steal.

Not a good idea they will have many neighbouring countries who will not support their independence.(Pera, 9 February 2008 12:21)
Only Serbia and Bosnia. And this is for sure.
Let count:
1. Slovenia - YES. The first or the second group of EU.
2. Albania - YES. Second Group with EU.
3. Macedonia YES even before Albania.
4. Croatia. YES April before NATO meeting in Bucarest.
5. Montenegro YES after have done it Croatia or in second group with Greece.
6. Greece - YES in the second group of EU.
7. Turkia - YES after first group of EU.
8. Bulgaria - YES. Before April in NATO meeting.
9. Rumania later in 2008.
10. Bosnia after Rumania. Only reason is Serbska Republik.
11. Serbia will recognize it in 2010.
(Maks, 9 February 2008 17:12)


MARK, your comment is definitly the best coment i ever ever read .
best regards to MARK well done my friend.

i appreciate all of the pro-independence posters here. nobody is going to starve anybody, but just the talk and willingness to move in such a direction speaks volumes. but we all know that old song.

now is the time to move on to actual independence day and beyond. any guesses when in may, and why? i believe that people around the world, incl. throughout the balkans, will support the newly emerging multi-ethnic kosova, and together the (ex) YU can finally move forward -- i hope!

as for the predominant serb areas, i do believe they must have security and a degree of autonomy -- but the vibes i am picking up are from the blgd politicos feel eerily reminiscent of the early 90s, and leave me feeling vaguely sick...

we have seen how serbia takes care of kosovo. It is time to move on and support kosovo and let eastern europe become a prosperous nation. Serbia has had years to correct its position with kosovo, nothing positive, just talk and threats. It is time to move on and realize this is not just about land, its about people that lived together just fine till the 90's.

Serbia should not allow this to happen. Albanians have no right to Kosovo.

i dont think its important when they will declare it,impotant is the domino effect,whats gona happen after decleration thats what bothers me,lets just hope for peace,i wouldent like to see another conflict here,and if the decleration comes than its serbians move,and that move is important which is gona be.are they gona move in atack ore accept 'defeat'...?

Peggy and others that didn't get my previous messege right!

Peggy first,

You made me smile with your understanding of my comment...)

If I write "starve"....doesn't really mean starve...and I am sure that B92 can explain you and others that...))

If I write "mystery"...that would mean that it is not a mystery but is something that everyone is expecting...)

I should have quoted "own" people rather own people)) That was a lapsus, my apologies to all readers for that.))

Peace and happiness to all despite your nationality!)

Serbia should not allow this to happen.
(Big Poppa, 10 February 2008 22:34)

Big Poppa,
You are right.
Serbia should have not allowed lots of things to happen in Kosovo.
Things like:
Massacring of Albanian civilians (women and children)
Torturing Albanians
Bringing Kosovo to the brink of humanitarian disaster by laying Albanians of their work (just for being Albanians).
Attempts to cleanse Kosovo of Albanians (remember 1999).
……
……
You see Bib Poppa, there is a long list of things that Serbia should have not allowed to happen, but it did.
And, I believe you put your last statement wrong.
It should say:
Serbia has no right to Kosovo (not after all they have done).
You see, if you mistreat a child that was given to you, you are not fit to be a parent.
You know what happens to these people:
Their adopted children are taken away.
So this does not happen with the other regions please follow this simple advice:
Please treat people the way they should be. We are all born equal.
There is no such a thing as a Serbian supremacy.
Learn from the mistakes of the past (and boy, do you have a lot to learn).
Don’t do the same mistakes you have done for the last 100 years.
Once you have done that we will consider treating you as a good neighbour.

I hope that the "mistery" of dates is over now. It is all going to be "co-ordinated" for those whom are "confused" about the dates)
I hope that Serbia will not retaliate and "starve" its "own" people))
Let's start talking REAL PEACE between Kosova and Serbia as two independent countries with join AIM EU full integration.

This really is a great news
i hope we will have a good start
all Kosovars living side by side
kosovar albanians kosovar serbs bosniac and all the rest
P-E-A-C-E

This declaration is long overdue. It will be followed by the recognition of leading Western countries, who will help Kosovo economically. The other hesitant, less important countries will follow. The independence will open the way for foreign investments and a better life for all its citizens. This declaration should have been done already years ago. As a result all Kosovars would already enjoy a better life and peace.

Not a good idea they will have many neighbouring countries who will not support their independence.(Pera, 9 February 2008 12:21)
Only Serbia and Bosnia. And this is for sure.
Let count:
1. Slovenia - YES. The first or the second group of EU.
2. Albania - YES. Second Group with EU.
3. Macedonia YES even before Albania.
4. Croatia. YES April before NATO meeting in Bucarest.
5. Montenegro YES after have done it Croatia or in second group with Greece.
6. Greece - YES in the second group of EU.
7. Turkia - YES after first group of EU.
8. Bulgaria - YES. Before April in NATO meeting.
9. Rumania later in 2008.
10. Bosnia after Rumania. Only reason is Serbska Republik.
11. Serbia will recognize it in 2010.

I think people of Kosovo deserve a better life!
Celebrations will happen in every part of the World.
Justice will prevail.
Free Kosova and to all Serbia:Be a sport,recognise us as a country and let's enjoy what is left from our life!
Gezuar e ziveli!

Pera,

There are more or less 194 world countries and 100 of them (most of which are large or developed countries) will recognize Kosova within days/weeks, a considerable number of the rest will follow within months/years.

Considering the above, it really wont matter how relentless Serbia's diplomatic efforts will be.

Eventually, Serbia too will have to recognize us.

Peggy and others that didn't get my previous messege right!

Peggy first,

You made me smile with your understanding of my comment...)

If I write "starve"....doesn't really mean starve...and I am sure that B92 can explain you and others that...))

If I write "mystery"...that would mean that it is not a mystery but is something that everyone is expecting...)

I should have quoted "own" people rather own people)) That was a lapsus, my apologies to all readers for that.))

Peace and happiness to all despite your nationality!)

You can't hold hostage 2 mil. people...
Kosovo is independent(technically),and more than 100 countries world-wide will Officially recognize it on the 17'th..

So kosovar's,where almost there..the final countdown..

What EA is saying is that Serbia could cut off its ties with most European capitals in a stupid act of retaliation. This obviously will "starve its own people", meaning the people in Serbia proper. As far as Kosova, K-Albanians have stopped for decades, on counting on Serbia for their well being.

Don't kid yourself. Nothing will happen on the 17th. You might declare independence but you certainly won't get it. A little obsticle like the law might get in the way.

There are people who will uphold the law. There are law breakers and law enforcers. Fortunately Serbia has the law on her side and someone is going to have to enforce the law.
(peggy, 9 February 2008 15:29)

Peggy,

Do you really believe that Albanians are kidding themselves?
I take the liberty of actually saying the opposite.
On the other note, I am really confused with your interpretation of a number of comments such as EA’s (also including a number of my comments).
I read EA’s comment and though your English is most likely better that mine the comment was crystal clear to me.
Finally, the reply to your last sentence:
It is thanks to the people that uphold the law that Serbia could not finish the cleansing of Kosova they attempted to do in 1999.
It is thanks to the same law upholding civilized nations that Kosova is in the final hurdle of independence.
And please don’t make us laugh with comments such as “Fortunately Serbia has the law on her side and someone is going to have to enforce the law”.
We know that the only thing Serbia has on her side is Mother Russia.

i dont think its important when they will declare it,impotant is the domino effect,whats gona happen after decleration thats what bothers me,lets just hope for peace,i wouldent like to see another conflict here,and if the decleration comes than its serbians move,and that move is important which is gona be.are they gona move in atack ore accept 'defeat'...?

EA, you said that you hope Serbia will not retaliate and "starve" it's own people. You have been saying for a long time now that Kosovo is not Serbian, so how come now you are saying that Kosovo population is Serbian?

By starving it's own people tells me that you consider people of Kosovo to be Serbian.

(peggy, 9 February 2008 15:29)
Ohh poor peggy.
By that EU are saying that don't even try to embargo the Kosovo because in a open market economy, goverment and people of Kosovo will find other way to get electricity and other imported products that used to come from Serbia. In return Serbia will not get the EURO needed to feed it own people in Serbia and not in Kosovo. Serbian economy is going to suffer not Kosovo's economy. There are other neighbour country willing to help and even if prices are going up because of it, there is no problem because first people can live poor for a while and second EU will help economicaly Kosovo as they have done it before. Serbia will suffered by their own "embargo" that I personaly feel that it is a political word that mean nothing practicaly. It is used by Kostunica to keep the highest executive position in Serbian goverment with 10% of Serbian votes. This is a personal survival method of Kostunica.

All right, lets see is it going to be just as they claim. After all they did maybe consult Baba Vanga or some other clairvoyant. What I can see and what is good to us is the fact that there will be individual recognition. The EU clearly did not reach common position on Kosovo independence (which was known form the very beginning). I just hope that after this individual recognition started, each country will reconsider once more its decision.

ea, and all other albanians, just the mere fact of you referring to Serbian land as kosova, shows that you do not want to peacefully talk but, try and poke a finger in Serb eyes, When albanians accept that they live on Serbian soil, then we can talk peacefully.

Serbia should not allow this to happen.
(Big Poppa, 10 February 2008 22:34)

Big Poppa,
You are right.
Serbia should have not allowed lots of things to happen in Kosovo.
Things like:
Massacring of Albanian civilians (women and children)
Torturing Albanians
Bringing Kosovo to the brink of humanitarian disaster by laying Albanians of their work (just for being Albanians).
Attempts to cleanse Kosovo of Albanians (remember 1999).
……
……
You see Bib Poppa, there is a long list of things that Serbia should have not allowed to happen, but it did.
And, I believe you put your last statement wrong.
It should say:
Serbia has no right to Kosovo (not after all they have done).
You see, if you mistreat a child that was given to you, you are not fit to be a parent.
You know what happens to these people:
Their adopted children are taken away.
So this does not happen with the other regions please follow this simple advice:
Please treat people the way they should be. We are all born equal.
There is no such a thing as a Serbian supremacy.
Learn from the mistakes of the past (and boy, do you have a lot to learn).
Don’t do the same mistakes you have done for the last 100 years.
Once you have done that we will consider treating you as a good neighbour.

Not a good idea they will have many neighbouring countries who will not support their independence.
As for Serbia I expect her to use all diplomatic means to get back what has been stolen. This diplomatic battle must be relentless and successful. The declaration of independence is illegal which makes it fragile and precarious any country supporting independence can just as easily withdraw its support. Serbia must exploit its position to the full.

EA, you said that you hope Serbia will not retaliate and "starve" it's own people. You have been saying for a long time now that Kosovo is not Serbian, so how come now you are saying that Kosovo population is Serbian?

By starving it's own people tells me that you consider people of Kosovo to be Serbian.

You change like the wind. You are Serbian when it suits you to be.

I would think that February 14th would be a better day to declare independence as it is a day for all who love each other. Albanians have so many countries that love them so February 14th would be perfect.

Don't kid yourself. Nothing will happen on the 17th. You might declare independence but you certainly won't get it. A little obsticle like the law might get in the way.

There are people who will uphold the law. There are law breakers and law enforcers. Fortunately Serbia has the law on her side and someone is going to have to enforce the law.

we have seen how serbia takes care of kosovo. It is time to move on and support kosovo and let eastern europe become a prosperous nation. Serbia has had years to correct its position with kosovo, nothing positive, just talk and threats. It is time to move on and realize this is not just about land, its about people that lived together just fine till the 90's.

i appreciate all of the pro-independence posters here. nobody is going to starve anybody, but just the talk and willingness to move in such a direction speaks volumes. but we all know that old song.

now is the time to move on to actual independence day and beyond. any guesses when in may, and why? i believe that people around the world, incl. throughout the balkans, will support the newly emerging multi-ethnic kosova, and together the (ex) YU can finally move forward -- i hope!

as for the predominant serb areas, i do believe they must have security and a degree of autonomy -- but the vibes i am picking up are from the blgd politicos feel eerily reminiscent of the early 90s, and leave me feeling vaguely sick...

Marks, Please don't ooh poor Peggy me. I am not poor and I don't need your pity or your sarcasm.

You are a real comedian aren't you? Do you really expect me to believe that Serbia will starve if they don't trade with Kosovo?

Kosovo is a charity case and will be for a very long time. What can someone on welfare offer another?
On the contrary, how many countries are going to look to Kosovo as their trading partner? The only thing that the US sees is a territory worth exploiting for a while. You will get nothing in return. Kosovo will remain a haven for drugs and prostitution but not much else.

So you see, Serbia doesn't need Kosovo. Kosovo needs everyone and anyone who is willing to throw it a bone.

And for all of you who say that Serbia doesn't have law on her side but only has Russia is just plain wrong. If it wasn't for that law Kosovo would be independent long ago. Serbia has legal and moral clain to her own territory. No matter how you spin it, you are still stealing or attempting to steal.

Not a good idea they will have many neighbouring countries who will not support their independence.(Pera, 9 February 2008 12:21)
Only Serbia and Bosnia. And this is for sure.
Let count:
1. Slovenia - YES. The first or the second group of EU.
2. Albania - YES. Second Group with EU.
3. Macedonia YES even before Albania.
4. Croatia. YES April before NATO meeting in Bucarest.
5. Montenegro YES after have done it Croatia or in second group with Greece.
6. Greece - YES in the second group of EU.
7. Turkia - YES after first group of EU.
8. Bulgaria - YES. Before April in NATO meeting.
9. Rumania later in 2008.
10. Bosnia after Rumania. Only reason is Serbska Republik.
11. Serbia will recognize it in 2010.
(Maks, 9 February 2008 17:12)


MARK, your comment is definitly the best coment i ever ever read .
best regards to MARK well done my friend.

EA you say "you hope Serbia wont retaliate and starve their own people."

More Serbs have had to leave kosovo because of the last ten years of Albanians retaliating to the Serbian Leaders. However, if there is inequality amongst a nation then the fight should be for equality not over independence. If Kosovo does receive independence then it is no longer apart of Serbia. You can not blame Serbian government for sanctions. (And don't worry. I'm sure sanctions will just be a gesture of disapproval for show. The EU isn't going to allow it's newest puppet starve.) I just wish that the Albanians living in SERBIA in the southern state of Kosovo would do what all the mistreated Serbians who had to flee as refugees from the former Yugoslavia have done in the U.K., Austria, U.S., Canada, and Australia. That is to make an attempt to make the country they live in a better place, even when it is not "their" country. Serbia is no longer a Milosevic ran State. There is a new government that is running a great Democracy in Serbia, and instead of using the excuses of the past, you should work for a better future for the country you live in, Serbia.
Unfortunately far too many living in Kosovo could care less about equality or piece. You care about nothing more than profit of land.(Much like your so called allies.) Proof of this is in the threats from Albanians against peice and equality assured and promised by Serbia to the U.N. to keep its territorial integrity.

I am sorry Serbia, and know that many support you and the strides you have made. Never in a games of chess have I seen so many pawns being played.

There have been articles written by prominent US politicians (Bolton, Eagleburger, etc)in influential newspapers and in articles by influential newspapers (Wall Street Journal recently) that are advising the Bush administration to back off on recognition of Kosovo and urge autonomy as defined in UNSC 1244. These newspapers and politicians have been harbingers in the past indicating which way the wind is blowing. Now the EU is stating that each country can decide if it wants to recognize and independent Kosovo instead of full EU recognition. Lets wait and see what happens. As Serbia well knows todays friends are tomorrows enemies, and vice-versa.

Serbia should not allow this to happen. Albanians have no right to Kosovo.