Rupel: Kosovo unique case

I would rate Rupel's chances of convincing the Russians about Kosovo to be even lower than his chances to convince Croatia to accept Slovenia's interpretation of their border!

"Kosovo is a unique case" - that old nutshell - could it be that Rupel will detail it is unique because it is Illegal ?

In fact that point about being uique is a bit dangerous for the EU given that it makes it a precedence all the more! A precedence by their nature when first done is unique hence it is a precedence!!! However, it thus provides others a "model" upon which to follow!

Oh what a tangled web weave....

"try to explain to Russia next week that Kosovo’s status would not have any effect on the status of former Soviet republics."

- wonder if Rupel was meaning the former Soviet republics and now EU states of Latvia and Estonia which have 30%+ ethnic Russians who given this disastrous precedence if it is imposed could quite frankly request independence too? Maybe the Russians should enquire what Rupel means and highlight that no EU country is immune to the same precedence they wish to force beyond the inevitable and predicatable Spain/Basque, France/Corsica, Cyprus/North Cyprus Turkish republic etc etc..!

The illegal EU mission can be made legal so simpley if the EU continued to uphold international law and stated so. Ironically, they use 1244 as the legal basis of their
mission yet 1244 does not state indpendence once in the whole text of the resolution. 1244 does however explicitly state continued Soverignity and territorial integrity - which a "few" EU states have openly attacked

- can't have your illegal cake and eat it!.

Illegal declarations cannot be made legal. That is what Rupel must answer but not to the Russians but the mafiocracy the US and "few" EU have in large part created in Serbia's province!

"The minister said that he did not have any information as to when Kosovo intended to declare independence. "

- so who's telling porkies - Sediju & Thaci who say it is set with teh US and EU or Rupel the Slovenian (EU presidency) Foreign Minister ? One lot or the other is telling lies and both promote illegality and lawlessness (INLEX)!!!

Keep on repeating that Rupel, maybe some will believe you. It isn't about the truth anymore anyway, it's just a way to justify the creation of another homogeneous Albanian state. But I guess it's easy to say such thing cause you live in an homogeneous state as well.

“I’ve said many times that you cannot compare the situation in Kosovo with anywhere else,” the minister told the Reuters news agency.

Yes, it is unique indeed. Which other nationality wants two countries sitting side by side (and seeking a third carved out of Macedonia)?

I'll repeat what I said yesterday. The Albanians need to learn to live with their neighbours so we can all prosper together!

These people keep saying the same things over and over again. I wonder if we will ever find out why the EU calls this situation unique.

Aside from the fact that it is a UN-administered province (the only real difference between it and the breakaway republics of the former Soviet Union), what are concrete arguments for the uniqueness of this particular case?

Rupel is sure doing a lousy job and is a loose canon shoots off his mouth almost every day. That even Slovenian government has to contradict him and distance them selfs from some of his belligerent fighting statements. Seems he likes to rile up the former Yugo republics by his statements which have not a lot to do with the circumstances and reality on the ground tries to push it to the edge. It very much looks he is a agent of the EU and their lackey of their self serving EU empire wishes. Probably was offered some kind of EU office in the future hopefully not the EU Czar over the western Balkans. He has already stirred up more then enough trouble in the area and still continues to do.

I don't how many times Rupel needs to told but what he is advocating breaks international law. Maybe he should think about that.

The Kurds are EXACTLY the same, even occupied by the same Western forces for the same humanitarian reasons.

The only difference?

Turkey opposes it, and unlike Russia, they are a US ally...

Rupel said that the EU would try to explain to Russia next week that Kosovo’s status would not have any effect on the status of former Soviet republics.

-I had such good laugh after only the first statement. Poor Mr Rupel the Slovenian, he is running to Moscow to explain Putin Kosovo uniqueness that he probably learnt by heart from those transcripts full of orders received from the USA. The EU officials make a fool of themselves every day and makes me wonder aren’t they feel ashamed. Now when Slovenian sheriff for Balkan explain Putin the meaning of Kosovo uniqueness I am sure Putin will resign for being so stupid.

Mr. Rupel we know.
Really, no need to call a conference every few days to state the obvious.
Corsica is unique case.
Basque is unique case.
Republic of Srbska is unique case.
Catalonia is unique case.
Kosovo is an unique case.
Tyrol is unique case.
Transylvania is unique case.
And, you Mr. Rupel are a lawbreaker, heading a lawbreaker’s presidency.
‘Nough said.

Don't hold you'r breath Rupel. Save the EU's taxpayer money on this Russian visit and spend it wisely on your next ski vacation in Swiss alps.

i thought the independence is a done deal. why he is worried of russia again? can't these people make up their mind?

Well at least Mr Rupel is right that the crux of the debate is over the UN Res. 1244, and therefore can only be had in the UN Security Council.

But why is the situation different from any other claim for independence? This is not an intelligent argument. The only difference is that various nations have waded in on the side of this particular group of independence seekers.

There is no other difference, as well he knows, which is why he can't be more specific. It's as though all people using this argument should end their sentence: "It just is, okay?"

Kosovo is unique, Slovenia as well ... The Palestinians and the Kurds are unique and who cares. Tell the Basques or the Catalans or the people from Corsica that the they are not unique!! They feel pretty special as well, I know as I am from there.
A Basque.

'I’ve said many times that you cannot compare the situation in Kosovo with anywhere else,” the minister told the Reuters news agency.'

aha! he has said so ;) it must be true then :) won't question it again :) what a fine, compelling argument he makes :)
seriously, what i find entertaining is how they say, 'it is a unique case' and then just stop there. they never tell you why and i'm each time all ears. maybe this is because if they proceeded to explain why, they know how silly they'd sound. they would be describing things that happened in so many countries, and would then say that some sort of poetry should be given precedence over international law when it comes to serbia, but not when it comes to those other countries.
i have it on good authority, insider info :)) that the international alliance of boy scouts will accept kosovo's membership application. and i also hear it stops there.

gorilla: there are people that would argue that tito's commie government was illegal. therefore, opening the boarder with albania was illegal. additionally, not letting the serbs kicked out of kosovo during ww2 back in after the war was illegal. therefore, also, kosovo gaining autonomous status was illegal.

Bad Gorilla

This article puts the "sui generis" case argument across very well, I have no further arguments and rest my case.

The only things that do not make it different are:

- "In my many visits to Kosovo, I have not met a single ethnic Albanian who supports Serbia’s rule." (I strongly doub anyone from the separatist regions supports the rule of the country they are legally recognized in).

- "And even before these events Kosovo had exercised its constitutional right in conducting a referendum that overwhelmingly endorsed independence. With ethnic Albanians comprising more than 90 percent of the population, the result was a foregone conclusion." (The exact same thing happened in these regions, only difference was there was no UN administration there).

Kosovo is really unique in relation to Abkhazia, Transnistria and South Ossetia, as we can see for example in this article: http://www.tol.cz/look/TOL/article_single.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=4&NrIssue=255&NrSection=4&NrArticle=19333&ST1=ad&ST_T1=job&ST_AS1=1&ST2=body&ST_T2=letter&ST_AS2=1&ST3=text&ST_T3=aatol&ST_AS3=1&ST_max=3

There are other regions or ethnic groups around the world that want independence, but I doubt any of them have the same history as Kosovo, and in that sense Kosovo is unique. None of these 'breakaway' regions have suffered a war in the last decade.

However, if there is a region that does have exactly the same history and current circumstances as Kosovo, then they should get independence too.

The same serbs who are preaching 'defending' international law in this site, are the very ones who are supporting Koshutnica who seems to be breaking all the serbian laws. Kind of hypocritical, I would say.

Yes Kosmet is a unique case because it is another opportunity to destroy Serbia; Serbian culture; Serbian language; Serbian history; and Serbian will.

Mr. Rupel, repeating the same words got Dorothy what she wanted but all that was in her dream.

Maybe you are also dreaming if you think that repeating the same old "unique case" over and over will get you what you want.

Wake up and see the reality. Nobody thinks like you do. Certainly not Russia and you will never convince them of that.

It is worth mentioning, Deputy Chair of the Russian State Duma, leader of the Liberal Democratic Party Vladimir Zhirinovsky announced on air of Echo Moskvy Radio that sooner or later, Russia would recognize Kosovo’s independence under pressure of the West. According to the MP, Kosovo would obtain independence “right after pro-Western forces win at the election in Serbia.” Zhirinovsky claims that Russia’s position on Kosovo is dependant upon assessment of the outcomes of the March presidential election in Russia by the world community. “To make the West connive at the outcome of the March 2 election, we shall recognize Kosovo and betray the Serbs, our last allies,” believes Zhirinovsky.

There are other regions or ethnic groups around the world that want independence, but I doubt any of them have the same history as Kosovo, and in that sense Kosovo is unique. None of these 'breakaway' regions have suffered a war in the last decade.

Nik, try the palestians that is a unique case, they are still at war not for a decade try 40+ years and millions are still refugees. Did your UN do anything about that nope because they know that Israel would tell them to go find something esle to do and stay out of there business. The only reason Kosovo is where is now is because Europe had no balls to go into bosnia nor Kosovo with the US. You better hope you get Independence before the next president is elected and it is not going to be a clinton. US is going to call it quits in Europe because the EU screwed them over in Afganistan so i hope the EU will be as good as the US. Plus you have Russia to deal with oh well this probably won't be published by B92 anyway so no one will know the real deal. Bring the troops home that means Kosovo too.

I'll repeat what I said yesterday. The Albanians need to learn to live with their neighbours so we can all prosper together!
(ZK UK, 8 February 2008 12:21)

I agree with you entirely, but the problem is that Serbia and Russia are trying to prevent that prosperity. The Albanians from Kosovo agree with you as well.
Just ask yourself tis question: What is the possibility of: Serbia governing the 90 % Albanian majority? I say chances of that happening are below minimal.
For eight and a half years now people of Kosovo have paved the way towards independence with full international support very apparent.
It is nothing more that people of Kosovo deserve.

Kosovo is really unique in relation to Abkhazia, Transnistria and South Ossetia, as we can see for example in this article: http://www.tol.cz/look/TOL/article_single.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=4&NrIssue=255&NrSection=4&NrArticle=19333&ST1=ad&ST_T1=job&ST_AS1=1&ST2=body&ST_T2=letter&ST_AS2=1&ST3=text&ST_T3=aatol&ST_AS3=1&ST_max=3

There are other regions or ethnic groups around the world that want independence, but I doubt any of them have the same history as Kosovo, and in that sense Kosovo is unique. None of these 'breakaway' regions have suffered a war in the last decade.

However, if there is a region that does have exactly the same history and current circumstances as Kosovo, then they should get independence too.

The same serbs who are preaching 'defending' international law in this site, are the very ones who are supporting Koshutnica who seems to be breaking all the serbian laws. Kind of hypocritical, I would say.

"Kosovo is a unique case" - that old nutshell - could it be that Rupel will detail it is unique because it is Illegal ?

In fact that point about being uique is a bit dangerous for the EU given that it makes it a precedence all the more! A precedence by their nature when first done is unique hence it is a precedence!!! However, it thus provides others a "model" upon which to follow!

Oh what a tangled web weave....

"try to explain to Russia next week that Kosovo’s status would not have any effect on the status of former Soviet republics."

- wonder if Rupel was meaning the former Soviet republics and now EU states of Latvia and Estonia which have 30%+ ethnic Russians who given this disastrous precedence if it is imposed could quite frankly request independence too? Maybe the Russians should enquire what Rupel means and highlight that no EU country is immune to the same precedence they wish to force beyond the inevitable and predicatable Spain/Basque, France/Corsica, Cyprus/North Cyprus Turkish republic etc etc..!

The illegal EU mission can be made legal so simpley if the EU continued to uphold international law and stated so. Ironically, they use 1244 as the legal basis of their
mission yet 1244 does not state indpendence once in the whole text of the resolution. 1244 does however explicitly state continued Soverignity and territorial integrity - which a "few" EU states have openly attacked

- can't have your illegal cake and eat it!.

Illegal declarations cannot be made legal. That is what Rupel must answer but not to the Russians but the mafiocracy the US and "few" EU have in large part created in Serbia's province!

"The minister said that he did not have any information as to when Kosovo intended to declare independence. "

- so who's telling porkies - Sediju & Thaci who say it is set with teh US and EU or Rupel the Slovenian (EU presidency) Foreign Minister ? One lot or the other is telling lies and both promote illegality and lawlessness (INLEX)!!!

Rupel is sure doing a lousy job and is a loose canon shoots off his mouth almost every day. That even Slovenian government has to contradict him and distance them selfs from some of his belligerent fighting statements. Seems he likes to rile up the former Yugo republics by his statements which have not a lot to do with the circumstances and reality on the ground tries to push it to the edge. It very much looks he is a agent of the EU and their lackey of their self serving EU empire wishes. Probably was offered some kind of EU office in the future hopefully not the EU Czar over the western Balkans. He has already stirred up more then enough trouble in the area and still continues to do.

It is worth mentioning, Deputy Chair of the Russian State Duma, leader of the Liberal Democratic Party Vladimir Zhirinovsky announced on air of Echo Moskvy Radio that sooner or later, Russia would recognize Kosovo’s independence under pressure of the West. According to the MP, Kosovo would obtain independence “right after pro-Western forces win at the election in Serbia.” Zhirinovsky claims that Russia’s position on Kosovo is dependant upon assessment of the outcomes of the March presidential election in Russia by the world community. “To make the West connive at the outcome of the March 2 election, we shall recognize Kosovo and betray the Serbs, our last allies,” believes Zhirinovsky.

These people keep saying the same things over and over again. I wonder if we will ever find out why the EU calls this situation unique.

Aside from the fact that it is a UN-administered province (the only real difference between it and the breakaway republics of the former Soviet Union), what are concrete arguments for the uniqueness of this particular case?

Bad Gorilla

This article puts the "sui generis" case argument across very well, I have no further arguments and rest my case.

The only things that do not make it different are:

- "In my many visits to Kosovo, I have not met a single ethnic Albanian who supports Serbia’s rule." (I strongly doub anyone from the separatist regions supports the rule of the country they are legally recognized in).

- "And even before these events Kosovo had exercised its constitutional right in conducting a referendum that overwhelmingly endorsed independence. With ethnic Albanians comprising more than 90 percent of the population, the result was a foregone conclusion." (The exact same thing happened in these regions, only difference was there was no UN administration there).

The Kurds are EXACTLY the same, even occupied by the same Western forces for the same humanitarian reasons.

The only difference?

Turkey opposes it, and unlike Russia, they are a US ally...

Don't hold you'r breath Rupel. Save the EU's taxpayer money on this Russian visit and spend it wisely on your next ski vacation in Swiss alps.

Rupel said that the EU would try to explain to Russia next week that Kosovo’s status would not have any effect on the status of former Soviet republics.

-I had such good laugh after only the first statement. Poor Mr Rupel the Slovenian, he is running to Moscow to explain Putin Kosovo uniqueness that he probably learnt by heart from those transcripts full of orders received from the USA. The EU officials make a fool of themselves every day and makes me wonder aren’t they feel ashamed. Now when Slovenian sheriff for Balkan explain Putin the meaning of Kosovo uniqueness I am sure Putin will resign for being so stupid.

i thought the independence is a done deal. why he is worried of russia again? can't these people make up their mind?

'I’ve said many times that you cannot compare the situation in Kosovo with anywhere else,” the minister told the Reuters news agency.'

aha! he has said so ;) it must be true then :) won't question it again :) what a fine, compelling argument he makes :)
seriously, what i find entertaining is how they say, 'it is a unique case' and then just stop there. they never tell you why and i'm each time all ears. maybe this is because if they proceeded to explain why, they know how silly they'd sound. they would be describing things that happened in so many countries, and would then say that some sort of poetry should be given precedence over international law when it comes to serbia, but not when it comes to those other countries.
i have it on good authority, insider info :)) that the international alliance of boy scouts will accept kosovo's membership application. and i also hear it stops there.

Mr. Rupel we know.
Really, no need to call a conference every few days to state the obvious.
Corsica is unique case.
Basque is unique case.
Republic of Srbska is unique case.
Catalonia is unique case.
Kosovo is an unique case.
Tyrol is unique case.
Transylvania is unique case.
And, you Mr. Rupel are a lawbreaker, heading a lawbreaker’s presidency.
‘Nough said.

Kosovo is unique, Slovenia as well ... The Palestinians and the Kurds are unique and who cares. Tell the Basques or the Catalans or the people from Corsica that the they are not unique!! They feel pretty special as well, I know as I am from there.
A Basque.

gorilla: there are people that would argue that tito's commie government was illegal. therefore, opening the boarder with albania was illegal. additionally, not letting the serbs kicked out of kosovo during ww2 back in after the war was illegal. therefore, also, kosovo gaining autonomous status was illegal.

Mr. Rupel, repeating the same words got Dorothy what she wanted but all that was in her dream.

Maybe you are also dreaming if you think that repeating the same old "unique case" over and over will get you what you want.

Wake up and see the reality. Nobody thinks like you do. Certainly not Russia and you will never convince them of that.

Yes Kosmet is a unique case because it is another opportunity to destroy Serbia; Serbian culture; Serbian language; Serbian history; and Serbian will.

Well at least Mr Rupel is right that the crux of the debate is over the UN Res. 1244, and therefore can only be had in the UN Security Council.

But why is the situation different from any other claim for independence? This is not an intelligent argument. The only difference is that various nations have waded in on the side of this particular group of independence seekers.

There is no other difference, as well he knows, which is why he can't be more specific. It's as though all people using this argument should end their sentence: "It just is, okay?"

“I’ve said many times that you cannot compare the situation in Kosovo with anywhere else,” the minister told the Reuters news agency.

Yes, it is unique indeed. Which other nationality wants two countries sitting side by side (and seeking a third carved out of Macedonia)?

I'll repeat what I said yesterday. The Albanians need to learn to live with their neighbours so we can all prosper together!

Keep on repeating that Rupel, maybe some will believe you. It isn't about the truth anymore anyway, it's just a way to justify the creation of another homogeneous Albanian state. But I guess it's easy to say such thing cause you live in an homogeneous state as well.

I would rate Rupel's chances of convincing the Russians about Kosovo to be even lower than his chances to convince Croatia to accept Slovenia's interpretation of their border!

There are other regions or ethnic groups around the world that want independence, but I doubt any of them have the same history as Kosovo, and in that sense Kosovo is unique. None of these 'breakaway' regions have suffered a war in the last decade.

Nik, try the palestians that is a unique case, they are still at war not for a decade try 40+ years and millions are still refugees. Did your UN do anything about that nope because they know that Israel would tell them to go find something esle to do and stay out of there business. The only reason Kosovo is where is now is because Europe had no balls to go into bosnia nor Kosovo with the US. You better hope you get Independence before the next president is elected and it is not going to be a clinton. US is going to call it quits in Europe because the EU screwed them over in Afganistan so i hope the EU will be as good as the US. Plus you have Russia to deal with oh well this probably won't be published by B92 anyway so no one will know the real deal. Bring the troops home that means Kosovo too.

I'll repeat what I said yesterday. The Albanians need to learn to live with their neighbours so we can all prosper together!
(ZK UK, 8 February 2008 12:21)

I agree with you entirely, but the problem is that Serbia and Russia are trying to prevent that prosperity. The Albanians from Kosovo agree with you as well.
Just ask yourself tis question: What is the possibility of: Serbia governing the 90 % Albanian majority? I say chances of that happening are below minimal.
For eight and a half years now people of Kosovo have paved the way towards independence with full international support very apparent.
It is nothing more that people of Kosovo deserve.

I don't how many times Rupel needs to told but what he is advocating breaks international law. Maybe he should think about that.