"Defense of Kosovo needs to be organized"

Bmrusila,

When did Belgrade government take any actions to help anybody (Serbs, Albanians, Bosnians and Croats).
They escalated the problems in all the regions and abandoned Serbs at the end (they did it in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo). They did this at the time when Serbs needed them the most.
Think of this.
When Serbs left Croatia where did Serbian government put them?
Yes, majority were sent to Kosovo.
Great plan, from one hot plate to another! This is what happens to orphans (unwanted children), you know that.
In addition, this action even further escalated problems in Kosovo.
It raised nationalistic rhetoric’s, culminating in 1999.
At no point did they think what happens later.
In the same way Albanians were unwanted in Serbia, Krajina Serbs were not wanted inside Serbia either. They got stuck with them and needed to get rid of them (think of Siberia and you get the analogy).
Serbs inside Serbia did not want to come to Kosovo as they got used to the good life inside Serbia, therefore the ones that barely survived one war were sent from the western front to the south-eastern front.

You talk about ghettos in Kosovo. They were started by Serbian government.
Even today, when Kosovo is lost (either way, even if there is no independence) they still try to get Serbs and Albanians on each others throats.

This is the kind of declarations that we albanians need. just continue with this, and we will have more and more supporters for the (inevitable) independence. Thank you Mr Jaksic, you are doing much more for the independence of Kosova than our politicians do.

Blero,

I don’t really get your point but let me try to explain. I do not know did you suggest that those Serb refugees from Bosnia and Croatia were supposed to stay there and be exposed to brutal slaughtering. I believe that Serbia at the time did do everything in its power to prevent further massacre of Serbs. Bosnian and Croatian Serbs refugee to Serbia in mass, some 500 000 came only from Croatia. So, what I don’t understand now is in what way Serbia abandoned them as you claim. I am sure that Serbia would provide the refugees with nice accommodation, but the thing is that there were no resources available for such thing. Yes, I agree that those collective centres are bad, but where to place all those people.

I don’t understand why you protest against placing those people in Kosovo. As far as I remember Kosovo is Serbian province and Serbs have every right to live there. I see that that was the main problem at the time to Albanians but I don’t see why it would be our problem. The same thing goes for Vojvodina. Serbs can live where ever they like in their country and to be honest I could not care less what others think. Few months ago Hungarian political representatives were raising their voice against settlement of possible K-Serbs refuges in Vojvodina as it may lead to further demographic changes. What are their rights to say something like that? For God’s sake it is our country that we are talking about and Serbs have all possible rights to move from one to another place to live.

Furthermore, you stated that Albanians are unwanted in Serbia. Well, that is not true. We did not ask Albanians to boycott Serbia as their country. Everything the Albanians did, they did it because their leaders ordered them to do so. I don’t have to remind you what KLA did to those Albanians loyal to Serbian state. Every Albanian is more than welcome to live where ever in Serbia as long as they show minimum of respect for the country they live. In my hometown there are about 5 Albanian families + their extended families + relatives and so on, who are owners of confectioneries. None of these families have ever suffered any humiliation, bad experiences or anything similar. They all run their business and earn the money. They freely speak their language and enjoy their religious and traditional customs.

Please explain the source of your claims that Krajina Serbs are not wanted in Serbia? I don’t get it really? Hungarians in Vojvodina are the only ones having problems with Serbian refugees. I would like to hear any Serb or any minority to confirm living in ghetto invented by Serbs as you claim.

I think there is no point to explain Serbia’s involvement in the wars since you have your truth and I as a Serb have my truth. I am enough of fabricated war events. Therefore there is no point to discuss this any longer.

And for my comment, it was supposed to be ironic, since the lives of Serbs in Kosovo might be jeopardized right now and all what country’ leaders care at this moment is political deal offered by the EU.

belokapac,

what is it to be are you Albanian or Kosovarian since your message clearly does not show any credence that Serbs in Kosovo & metohija will be respected their human rights!

Is he trying to invent another Milosevic? I have heard this rhetoric before.
Bmrusia and Princip, don’t you feel a bit responsible for Serbs in Kosova. Your messages have made them believe that you are going to support them when they need support. It looks like you have deceived them. Reading this message form Jaksic and of you both that’s how they feel, left alone and deceived.
Now bmrusial. Princip, Kate will turn to their everyday life in EU but still feel sorry for K-Serbs, ask them to protect the cradle of Serbia but not feel responsible at all for anything.

“What really disturbs and astonishes us here is that the Serbian parliamentary session to define signposts for the state’s future actions has been put off for so long, at a time when the country’s integrity is threatened, when Serbia is in danger of having Kosovo taken from her,” said Jakšić.

-Yes sadly, but Mr Dulic could not find in his calendar any sooner available date for scheduling parliament session. He and his democrates are depressed at the moment because the signing of the EU’s carrot is being put off for a while. The country is burning but that does not really matter, what is matter is a political deal with the EU. Mr Jaksic, don’t expect anything spectacular coming from Belgrade, wait a bit maybe some goose will save you after all.

Belokapac has a point. Public announcements like this will provide the Albanians and the EU an excuse to finish their ethnic cleansing campaign. Look at what they did to Pristina without such excuses.

After all, Albanians always claimed and still do how peaceful and tolerant they are.
(peggy, 8 February 2008 00:10)

Ok Peggy,

Let’s test you tolerance levels.
1. I come to your city and take over your property.
2. I come to your city and take over your job
3. I come to your city and close your schools and universities
4. I come to your city and close your TV/Radio station
Do you want me to continue?
Please do not misunderstand me, it is not the Serb Refugees that did that.
It was the Serbian government that did all of that.
Serb refugees were put (as per my first comment) in the hot plate.
Anybody was and is welcomed in Kosovo (if you come to Kosovo you will see even Chinese living here).
But for the Serbian government to do things the way it did, no good was to come from it.
Peggy, only the nation that has the power can inflict abuse and pain.
Albanians had no power whatsoever in Kosovo.
Kosovo was heaving with Serbian Police, military and paramilitary forces.
Therefore, stating that Albanians abused Serbian refugees is very far fetched accusation.
Were Albanians happy with the arrival of the Serb refugees?
No, not in the way it was done by Serbian government.
Were Serbian refugees at fault?
No. If you read my comment, at no point I highlighted that the refugees were to blame. They were innocent people (just as Albanians whose flats, jobs, schools were given to them).

They may not want to break away from the brothers in the enclaves, but they may have to.

I doubt that the Albanian mono-ethnic ambitions will work well for the Serbs. Sadly, there is no certainty of stability in the governance of Kosovo for many years to come.

Hopefully however, the wider difficulties will prevent a racial split and some sensible autonomy will be worked out. That was a sensible solution could be found.

To B92,

Why is, that my replies to comments are not put forward?
How do you expect to have a two sided discussion if one side’s comments are not being published?
This is the 4th time I am asking B92 for explanation.
Either publish them or at least let people know not to bother (put a banner).

Term Homeland is a bit misplaced and misleading in here. The term is exclusively linked to human factor that sustain that notion so in proportionality and if we are overgenerous it should only constitute 10% of territory. Mr Jakšić would be technically correct if he says that they are coming to steal our homeland, 10% of Kosova.
Not that I agree with him in anyway.

Blero, how can you say that placing Serb refugees in Kosovo was abandoning them or abusing them?

The only abuse they suffered was from Albanians so I suppose by your logic this was some sort of abuse from the Serbian side towards the Serb refugees.

How was Serbia supposed to know that Serbs were going to be abused by other Serb citizens? Albanians took them by surprise. After all, Albanians always claimed and still do how peaceful and tolerant they are.

Blero, what do you mean by "I come to your city and take over your jobs etc. etc."?
Kosovo is Serbian territory. People have the right to settle where ever they want. Who stops the Albanians from settling in Belgrade?

Why are the Serbs living behind barbed wire if they are not being abused by the Albanians? Why are Serbian children being escorted to school in armored vehicles if not from fear of the Albanians?

This is all happening on Serbian territory. So then how can you say that the Serbian goernment is to blame for the lack of safety of the refugees? Only the Albanians are to blame.

You keep referring to kosovo as yours. Yes, if you live there it is your home but that home is a part of Serbia. It also belongs to the Serbs and they have every right to settle any refugee where they see fit.

They have sent refugees to other parts of Serbia as well so why are they not being kept like caged animals there?

Sorry, you simply don't make a good arguement. The only Serbs in danger are the ones in Kosovo. Why?

Bmrusila,

When did Belgrade government take any actions to help anybody (Serbs, Albanians, Bosnians and Croats).
They escalated the problems in all the regions and abandoned Serbs at the end (they did it in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo). They did this at the time when Serbs needed them the most.
Think of this.
When Serbs left Croatia where did Serbian government put them?
Yes, majority were sent to Kosovo.
Great plan, from one hot plate to another! This is what happens to orphans (unwanted children), you know that.
In addition, this action even further escalated problems in Kosovo.
It raised nationalistic rhetoric’s, culminating in 1999.
At no point did they think what happens later.
In the same way Albanians were unwanted in Serbia, Krajina Serbs were not wanted inside Serbia either. They got stuck with them and needed to get rid of them (think of Siberia and you get the analogy).
Serbs inside Serbia did not want to come to Kosovo as they got used to the good life inside Serbia, therefore the ones that barely survived one war were sent from the western front to the south-eastern front.

You talk about ghettos in Kosovo. They were started by Serbian government.
Even today, when Kosovo is lost (either way, even if there is no independence) they still try to get Serbs and Albanians on each others throats.

This is the kind of declarations that we albanians need. just continue with this, and we will have more and more supporters for the (inevitable) independence. Thank you Mr Jaksic, you are doing much more for the independence of Kosova than our politicians do.

Term Homeland is a bit misplaced and misleading in here. The term is exclusively linked to human factor that sustain that notion so in proportionality and if we are overgenerous it should only constitute 10% of territory. Mr Jakšić would be technically correct if he says that they are coming to steal our homeland, 10% of Kosova.
Not that I agree with him in anyway.

Is he trying to invent another Milosevic? I have heard this rhetoric before.
Bmrusia and Princip, don’t you feel a bit responsible for Serbs in Kosova. Your messages have made them believe that you are going to support them when they need support. It looks like you have deceived them. Reading this message form Jaksic and of you both that’s how they feel, left alone and deceived.
Now bmrusial. Princip, Kate will turn to their everyday life in EU but still feel sorry for K-Serbs, ask them to protect the cradle of Serbia but not feel responsible at all for anything.

Blero,

I don’t really get your point but let me try to explain. I do not know did you suggest that those Serb refugees from Bosnia and Croatia were supposed to stay there and be exposed to brutal slaughtering. I believe that Serbia at the time did do everything in its power to prevent further massacre of Serbs. Bosnian and Croatian Serbs refugee to Serbia in mass, some 500 000 came only from Croatia. So, what I don’t understand now is in what way Serbia abandoned them as you claim. I am sure that Serbia would provide the refugees with nice accommodation, but the thing is that there were no resources available for such thing. Yes, I agree that those collective centres are bad, but where to place all those people.

I don’t understand why you protest against placing those people in Kosovo. As far as I remember Kosovo is Serbian province and Serbs have every right to live there. I see that that was the main problem at the time to Albanians but I don’t see why it would be our problem. The same thing goes for Vojvodina. Serbs can live where ever they like in their country and to be honest I could not care less what others think. Few months ago Hungarian political representatives were raising their voice against settlement of possible K-Serbs refuges in Vojvodina as it may lead to further demographic changes. What are their rights to say something like that? For God’s sake it is our country that we are talking about and Serbs have all possible rights to move from one to another place to live.

Furthermore, you stated that Albanians are unwanted in Serbia. Well, that is not true. We did not ask Albanians to boycott Serbia as their country. Everything the Albanians did, they did it because their leaders ordered them to do so. I don’t have to remind you what KLA did to those Albanians loyal to Serbian state. Every Albanian is more than welcome to live where ever in Serbia as long as they show minimum of respect for the country they live. In my hometown there are about 5 Albanian families + their extended families + relatives and so on, who are owners of confectioneries. None of these families have ever suffered any humiliation, bad experiences or anything similar. They all run their business and earn the money. They freely speak their language and enjoy their religious and traditional customs.

Please explain the source of your claims that Krajina Serbs are not wanted in Serbia? I don’t get it really? Hungarians in Vojvodina are the only ones having problems with Serbian refugees. I would like to hear any Serb or any minority to confirm living in ghetto invented by Serbs as you claim.

I think there is no point to explain Serbia’s involvement in the wars since you have your truth and I as a Serb have my truth. I am enough of fabricated war events. Therefore there is no point to discuss this any longer.

And for my comment, it was supposed to be ironic, since the lives of Serbs in Kosovo might be jeopardized right now and all what country’ leaders care at this moment is political deal offered by the EU.

“What really disturbs and astonishes us here is that the Serbian parliamentary session to define signposts for the state’s future actions has been put off for so long, at a time when the country’s integrity is threatened, when Serbia is in danger of having Kosovo taken from her,” said Jakšić.

-Yes sadly, but Mr Dulic could not find in his calendar any sooner available date for scheduling parliament session. He and his democrates are depressed at the moment because the signing of the EU’s carrot is being put off for a while. The country is burning but that does not really matter, what is matter is a political deal with the EU. Mr Jaksic, don’t expect anything spectacular coming from Belgrade, wait a bit maybe some goose will save you after all.

belokapac,

what is it to be are you Albanian or Kosovarian since your message clearly does not show any credence that Serbs in Kosovo & metohija will be respected their human rights!

Belokapac has a point. Public announcements like this will provide the Albanians and the EU an excuse to finish their ethnic cleansing campaign. Look at what they did to Pristina without such excuses.

After all, Albanians always claimed and still do how peaceful and tolerant they are.
(peggy, 8 February 2008 00:10)

Ok Peggy,

Let’s test you tolerance levels.
1. I come to your city and take over your property.
2. I come to your city and take over your job
3. I come to your city and close your schools and universities
4. I come to your city and close your TV/Radio station
Do you want me to continue?
Please do not misunderstand me, it is not the Serb Refugees that did that.
It was the Serbian government that did all of that.
Serb refugees were put (as per my first comment) in the hot plate.
Anybody was and is welcomed in Kosovo (if you come to Kosovo you will see even Chinese living here).
But for the Serbian government to do things the way it did, no good was to come from it.
Peggy, only the nation that has the power can inflict abuse and pain.
Albanians had no power whatsoever in Kosovo.
Kosovo was heaving with Serbian Police, military and paramilitary forces.
Therefore, stating that Albanians abused Serbian refugees is very far fetched accusation.
Were Albanians happy with the arrival of the Serb refugees?
No, not in the way it was done by Serbian government.
Were Serbian refugees at fault?
No. If you read my comment, at no point I highlighted that the refugees were to blame. They were innocent people (just as Albanians whose flats, jobs, schools were given to them).

Blero, what do you mean by "I come to your city and take over your jobs etc. etc."?
Kosovo is Serbian territory. People have the right to settle where ever they want. Who stops the Albanians from settling in Belgrade?

Why are the Serbs living behind barbed wire if they are not being abused by the Albanians? Why are Serbian children being escorted to school in armored vehicles if not from fear of the Albanians?

This is all happening on Serbian territory. So then how can you say that the Serbian goernment is to blame for the lack of safety of the refugees? Only the Albanians are to blame.

You keep referring to kosovo as yours. Yes, if you live there it is your home but that home is a part of Serbia. It also belongs to the Serbs and they have every right to settle any refugee where they see fit.

They have sent refugees to other parts of Serbia as well so why are they not being kept like caged animals there?

Sorry, you simply don't make a good arguement. The only Serbs in danger are the ones in Kosovo. Why?

They may not want to break away from the brothers in the enclaves, but they may have to.

I doubt that the Albanian mono-ethnic ambitions will work well for the Serbs. Sadly, there is no certainty of stability in the governance of Kosovo for many years to come.

Hopefully however, the wider difficulties will prevent a racial split and some sensible autonomy will be worked out. That was a sensible solution could be found.

Blero, how can you say that placing Serb refugees in Kosovo was abandoning them or abusing them?

The only abuse they suffered was from Albanians so I suppose by your logic this was some sort of abuse from the Serbian side towards the Serb refugees.

How was Serbia supposed to know that Serbs were going to be abused by other Serb citizens? Albanians took them by surprise. After all, Albanians always claimed and still do how peaceful and tolerant they are.

To B92,

Why is, that my replies to comments are not put forward?
How do you expect to have a two sided discussion if one side’s comments are not being published?
This is the 4th time I am asking B92 for explanation.
Either publish them or at least let people know not to bother (put a banner).