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Tuesday, 05.02.2008.

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Rupel, Georgian counterpart insist Kosovo is "unique case"

Slovenian Foreign Minister Dmitrij Rupel is visiting Georgia today.

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Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

I find what this Georgian minister said not in key at all with what the situation in Georgia is like. The separatist wars of the 90's cost 20 000 lives (twice that of the Kosovo War) and 300 000 IDPs, and he thinks Abkhazia and South Ossetia are not watching what is happening in Kosovo because it is apparently different? Aside from UN admin, Kosovo does not differ from the above, though soon I imagine that the situation may spiral out of control again and we will have IC intervention in these regions of the Caucasus as well. He is extremely lucky that the Adjarian government accepted autonomy (being ethnically related to Georgians, ie. Southern Caucasians), but what can he expect from Abkhazians (Northern Caucasians) and Ossetians (Iranians) who were attached to Georgia by Stalin (because he was half Georgian and half Ossetian, and had a soft spot for the beauty of the Abkhazian coastlines and resorts) and the recent history they had?

I think he is only saying this because of Georgia's aspirations to Euro-Atlantic integration, and that he hopes NATO intervene in Georgia in such a way that Abkhazia and South Ossetia accept "broad autonomy" (where do we know this from?), when the people want either full independence (Abkhazia) or integration with Russia (South Ossetia)?

Then we also have the two EU/NATO hopefulls Moldova and Azerbaijan with their situations with Transnistria and Nagorno-Karabakh. I get the feeling that NATO, the EU and the US will have a lot of problems to solve in the future, if they don't solve this Kosovo one right.

limited

pre 16 godina

Rupel and Bakhradze may want to believe that Kosovo is unique. However, bureaucrats telling and retelling lies to suit their interest is not unique. This is a uniquely good example of the latter.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

since we have learned that the Slovenes are getting their directives from Washington( remember the slovenian diplomant who had to resign because of his revelation about american directives in regard to the southern-serbian province ), so much for sovereignty, we all know what we have to think of Mr.Rupels statement...

Bravo to the Romanian guy.

since there is still consensus needed... my dear friends, you can only dream of being "independent" ...

and... by the way, there is still UNSC 1244...

don´t worry, you will realize it, sooner or later.

Tom O'Donoghue

pre 16 godina

Is this Georgian Foreign Minister for real? I can promise him that there are endless groups waiting in the long grass to "manipulate" the Kosovo situation.

Justice

pre 16 godina

Haha..I just can't stop laughing.Is this the recepie how jou divide a country. Colonize, occupy, evict natives (in 1900 95% were serbs), proclaim indipendence with help of USA. Well ok. What about Republik of Srpska, Hungarian regions in Romania, BAsque region in both Spain and France, Corsica and Sardinia, Scotland, North Ireland, Bulgarian muslims, Ossetia, Chechnia, Arab and Azeri region in Iran, Croatia, and many others..oh i forgot to mention mass immigration of Turks in Germany, Netherlands where whole areas are populated with them, what about big Maroccan populations in Netherlands, Pakistanis in and around London and rest of Britain. The West is hypocrite with selling stories about stability, peace and firm borders. It behaves like we are in 1914 where you just look for best allies to achieve goals without even considering the other side! West will wait the same future as the one you are forcing in Serbia.
Good luck but Serbia will NEVER allow this even if need to wait 50-100-300 years...The pandora box has just opened...

American Eagle

pre 16 godina

Let me finish what Bakhradze was thinking as he said "Manipulating the example of Kosovo can become a very dangerous instrument, one that can create problems for Europe's security... as he realzied South Ossetia and Abkhazia will become the newest states after Kosovo declares independence."

This is just like the Czech minister said. The big powers let Hitler have part of Czechoslovakia to placate him and he then started the next world war. Now we are messing with the Balkans "Powder Keg" again. Do we not learn history?

Everything that happens is a precedent. There are no asterisks in world politics.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Of course the Georgian leadership is just reading from prewritten Washington manuscripts...

Considering American's role in putting a wedge in the region, and large investments in Armies and Pipelines......The Georgian government HAS to read from the same book..

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Mr Rupel did Americans teach you what to say? I wonder if you, yourself believe in what you are saying.

Manipulating the example of Kosovo can become a very dangerous instrument, one that can create problems for Europe's security," Bakhradze concluded.

-Seems that Georgians are fully aware of the danger of precedent and do not really believe in sui generis case as they already face the de facto independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. They have this uniqueness in their own backyard and Mr Rupel is trying to give them a lesson on unique case. Who in the Earth would say that some so called rough countries will side with the law while so called rightful countries insist on breaching the law?

Ron

pre 16 godina

Why is it unique? The Ossetians were forced into Georgia by Stalin. So why should they stay in a country which is not theirs?

Kosovo=Ossetia=Basque= ....

Ron

pre 16 godina

Why is it unique? The Ossetians were forced into Georgia by Stalin. So why should they stay in a country which is not theirs?

Kosovo=Ossetia=Basque= ....

Justice

pre 16 godina

Haha..I just can't stop laughing.Is this the recepie how jou divide a country. Colonize, occupy, evict natives (in 1900 95% were serbs), proclaim indipendence with help of USA. Well ok. What about Republik of Srpska, Hungarian regions in Romania, BAsque region in both Spain and France, Corsica and Sardinia, Scotland, North Ireland, Bulgarian muslims, Ossetia, Chechnia, Arab and Azeri region in Iran, Croatia, and many others..oh i forgot to mention mass immigration of Turks in Germany, Netherlands where whole areas are populated with them, what about big Maroccan populations in Netherlands, Pakistanis in and around London and rest of Britain. The West is hypocrite with selling stories about stability, peace and firm borders. It behaves like we are in 1914 where you just look for best allies to achieve goals without even considering the other side! West will wait the same future as the one you are forcing in Serbia.
Good luck but Serbia will NEVER allow this even if need to wait 50-100-300 years...The pandora box has just opened...

American Eagle

pre 16 godina

Let me finish what Bakhradze was thinking as he said "Manipulating the example of Kosovo can become a very dangerous instrument, one that can create problems for Europe's security... as he realzied South Ossetia and Abkhazia will become the newest states after Kosovo declares independence."

This is just like the Czech minister said. The big powers let Hitler have part of Czechoslovakia to placate him and he then started the next world war. Now we are messing with the Balkans "Powder Keg" again. Do we not learn history?

Everything that happens is a precedent. There are no asterisks in world politics.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Mr Rupel did Americans teach you what to say? I wonder if you, yourself believe in what you are saying.

Manipulating the example of Kosovo can become a very dangerous instrument, one that can create problems for Europe's security," Bakhradze concluded.

-Seems that Georgians are fully aware of the danger of precedent and do not really believe in sui generis case as they already face the de facto independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. They have this uniqueness in their own backyard and Mr Rupel is trying to give them a lesson on unique case. Who in the Earth would say that some so called rough countries will side with the law while so called rightful countries insist on breaching the law?

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Of course the Georgian leadership is just reading from prewritten Washington manuscripts...

Considering American's role in putting a wedge in the region, and large investments in Armies and Pipelines......The Georgian government HAS to read from the same book..

Tom O'Donoghue

pre 16 godina

Is this Georgian Foreign Minister for real? I can promise him that there are endless groups waiting in the long grass to "manipulate" the Kosovo situation.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

since we have learned that the Slovenes are getting their directives from Washington( remember the slovenian diplomant who had to resign because of his revelation about american directives in regard to the southern-serbian province ), so much for sovereignty, we all know what we have to think of Mr.Rupels statement...

Bravo to the Romanian guy.

since there is still consensus needed... my dear friends, you can only dream of being "independent" ...

and... by the way, there is still UNSC 1244...

don´t worry, you will realize it, sooner or later.

limited

pre 16 godina

Rupel and Bakhradze may want to believe that Kosovo is unique. However, bureaucrats telling and retelling lies to suit their interest is not unique. This is a uniquely good example of the latter.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

I find what this Georgian minister said not in key at all with what the situation in Georgia is like. The separatist wars of the 90's cost 20 000 lives (twice that of the Kosovo War) and 300 000 IDPs, and he thinks Abkhazia and South Ossetia are not watching what is happening in Kosovo because it is apparently different? Aside from UN admin, Kosovo does not differ from the above, though soon I imagine that the situation may spiral out of control again and we will have IC intervention in these regions of the Caucasus as well. He is extremely lucky that the Adjarian government accepted autonomy (being ethnically related to Georgians, ie. Southern Caucasians), but what can he expect from Abkhazians (Northern Caucasians) and Ossetians (Iranians) who were attached to Georgia by Stalin (because he was half Georgian and half Ossetian, and had a soft spot for the beauty of the Abkhazian coastlines and resorts) and the recent history they had?

I think he is only saying this because of Georgia's aspirations to Euro-Atlantic integration, and that he hopes NATO intervene in Georgia in such a way that Abkhazia and South Ossetia accept "broad autonomy" (where do we know this from?), when the people want either full independence (Abkhazia) or integration with Russia (South Ossetia)?

Then we also have the two EU/NATO hopefulls Moldova and Azerbaijan with their situations with Transnistria and Nagorno-Karabakh. I get the feeling that NATO, the EU and the US will have a lot of problems to solve in the future, if they don't solve this Kosovo one right.

Ron

pre 16 godina

Why is it unique? The Ossetians were forced into Georgia by Stalin. So why should they stay in a country which is not theirs?

Kosovo=Ossetia=Basque= ....

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Mr Rupel did Americans teach you what to say? I wonder if you, yourself believe in what you are saying.

Manipulating the example of Kosovo can become a very dangerous instrument, one that can create problems for Europe's security," Bakhradze concluded.

-Seems that Georgians are fully aware of the danger of precedent and do not really believe in sui generis case as they already face the de facto independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. They have this uniqueness in their own backyard and Mr Rupel is trying to give them a lesson on unique case. Who in the Earth would say that some so called rough countries will side with the law while so called rightful countries insist on breaching the law?

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Of course the Georgian leadership is just reading from prewritten Washington manuscripts...

Considering American's role in putting a wedge in the region, and large investments in Armies and Pipelines......The Georgian government HAS to read from the same book..

American Eagle

pre 16 godina

Let me finish what Bakhradze was thinking as he said "Manipulating the example of Kosovo can become a very dangerous instrument, one that can create problems for Europe's security... as he realzied South Ossetia and Abkhazia will become the newest states after Kosovo declares independence."

This is just like the Czech minister said. The big powers let Hitler have part of Czechoslovakia to placate him and he then started the next world war. Now we are messing with the Balkans "Powder Keg" again. Do we not learn history?

Everything that happens is a precedent. There are no asterisks in world politics.

Justice

pre 16 godina

Haha..I just can't stop laughing.Is this the recepie how jou divide a country. Colonize, occupy, evict natives (in 1900 95% were serbs), proclaim indipendence with help of USA. Well ok. What about Republik of Srpska, Hungarian regions in Romania, BAsque region in both Spain and France, Corsica and Sardinia, Scotland, North Ireland, Bulgarian muslims, Ossetia, Chechnia, Arab and Azeri region in Iran, Croatia, and many others..oh i forgot to mention mass immigration of Turks in Germany, Netherlands where whole areas are populated with them, what about big Maroccan populations in Netherlands, Pakistanis in and around London and rest of Britain. The West is hypocrite with selling stories about stability, peace and firm borders. It behaves like we are in 1914 where you just look for best allies to achieve goals without even considering the other side! West will wait the same future as the one you are forcing in Serbia.
Good luck but Serbia will NEVER allow this even if need to wait 50-100-300 years...The pandora box has just opened...

Tom O'Donoghue

pre 16 godina

Is this Georgian Foreign Minister for real? I can promise him that there are endless groups waiting in the long grass to "manipulate" the Kosovo situation.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

since we have learned that the Slovenes are getting their directives from Washington( remember the slovenian diplomant who had to resign because of his revelation about american directives in regard to the southern-serbian province ), so much for sovereignty, we all know what we have to think of Mr.Rupels statement...

Bravo to the Romanian guy.

since there is still consensus needed... my dear friends, you can only dream of being "independent" ...

and... by the way, there is still UNSC 1244...

don´t worry, you will realize it, sooner or later.

limited

pre 16 godina

Rupel and Bakhradze may want to believe that Kosovo is unique. However, bureaucrats telling and retelling lies to suit their interest is not unique. This is a uniquely good example of the latter.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

I find what this Georgian minister said not in key at all with what the situation in Georgia is like. The separatist wars of the 90's cost 20 000 lives (twice that of the Kosovo War) and 300 000 IDPs, and he thinks Abkhazia and South Ossetia are not watching what is happening in Kosovo because it is apparently different? Aside from UN admin, Kosovo does not differ from the above, though soon I imagine that the situation may spiral out of control again and we will have IC intervention in these regions of the Caucasus as well. He is extremely lucky that the Adjarian government accepted autonomy (being ethnically related to Georgians, ie. Southern Caucasians), but what can he expect from Abkhazians (Northern Caucasians) and Ossetians (Iranians) who were attached to Georgia by Stalin (because he was half Georgian and half Ossetian, and had a soft spot for the beauty of the Abkhazian coastlines and resorts) and the recent history they had?

I think he is only saying this because of Georgia's aspirations to Euro-Atlantic integration, and that he hopes NATO intervene in Georgia in such a way that Abkhazia and South Ossetia accept "broad autonomy" (where do we know this from?), when the people want either full independence (Abkhazia) or integration with Russia (South Ossetia)?

Then we also have the two EU/NATO hopefulls Moldova and Azerbaijan with their situations with Transnistria and Nagorno-Karabakh. I get the feeling that NATO, the EU and the US will have a lot of problems to solve in the future, if they don't solve this Kosovo one right.