Solana spokeswoman: Kosovo dates "speculation"

The message to minorities in multiethnic countries is obvious: you can do what Kosovo Albanian extremists have done:

-start killing your own to instill fear and base where you can hide

-start killing policemen, forrest rangers, civilians, to provoke response.

-when response come, hide among civilians to cause civilian deaths

-get American and German help to train your terrorists in foreign bases

-coordinate your terrorist activities with American military and diplomatic efforts

-let Americans fake a massacre or two on your behalf

-in order to pay for services, must be active in narcoterrorist cartel

-once you have international presence, expel all who are not your ethnic groop, torch their villages, loot their property and destroy all evidence of their cultural heritage. Kill children, elderly, even foreigners who speak their language.


If you are lucky, you will get the independence.

Hopefully, not. There are 10 000 ethnic groups and only 200 countries. Providing illegal independence to ethnic group who resorted to terrorism is a recipe for bloodbath.

We were told by another article this week that Romania together with Greece
will be in the third wave of
countries recognising Kosovo.
What a lot of waffle.
My gut feeiling is that apart
from Cyprus,Greece,Romania and Slovakia there will be a
lot more countries which will
refuse to recognise the illegal UDI of Kosovo.I only
wished that the Chistian Orth
counties in the Balkans and
members of EU they should pull their full weight behind
Serbia and its people.

Every word that Romanian president said is right. Should have been said anything else?

He hit every point:

-Violation of the international law, read UN charter and Helsinki final act

-Wrong message to the multiethnic societies, especially those with frozen conflicts.

I think this is the final word coming form Romania and clear message to the EU emperors
Romania does not want to be involved in this criminal act in any case, whether coordinated or unilaterally proclaimed criminal act. This was enough clear to me. I expect Slovakia and Cyprus to be as clear as Romania, no yes to the criminal act in any case.

Very strong and very firm language from Romania. That's great to see! If Romania were to actually recognize this illegal and immoral 'greater albania' project, they can kiss Transylvania good bye because they would seceed based on the same precedent. So Romania's stance makes perfect sense.
It's good to see some of the smaller countries in the EU growing some 'cojones' and telling the bullies to stuff it. Bravo, and keep it coming! 'European Unity' is an oxymoron. Serbia is, once again, a rock on which empires break.
Cheers!

He is right.

The EU should rethink and re-explore the case for strong automomy in agreement with Serbia. It is unlikely that Kosovo would be a sustainable republic and economically it would be best for the area.

The EU diplomats are capable of doing a much better job than has been done so far.

There is no justification for creating a new state as a reward for the long term ethnic cleansing of Serbs - it is a very bad message to send the the world. Yes Milosevic did wrong in Kosovo, but then so did the Albanians - long before Milosevic.

Leonidas,
i fully agree about Orthodox Coalition.

The west should fully restore the numeral crimes it has done to Serb nation, and not offer this silly EU carrot, which means nothing.

Peter: "I think this will be better than constantly twisting the laws of both these organizations."

Do you mean one fell swoop theft of the territory is somehow better than gradual theft? Any recognition of the UDI is illegal.

"Romanian President Traian Basescu has reiterated that his country will not recognize Kosovo independence."

Ohh no! Now this is the end of the world...

Vlad Drakulic, show me where Serbian camp has been dismissive and disrespectufl to Romania.

Every comment made about how Romania is insignificant etc has come from the Albanian camp. Perhaps you don't know who Albanians are on this site and who the Serbs are.

So, please, do tell me which Serb and what was said for you to make this satatement. You can't just broadly accuse the Serbs in this way and not have anything to back you up.

Serbia is and always will be frends with Romania and grateful for Romania's help during the war. If you are trying to distance Romanians from Serbs then you are failing miserably as there is no evidence whatsoever to back your claim.

Did the albanian camp think it would be one quick "yes" for their independence claim to happen? Now perhaps their own leaders will realize that they're dealing in the here & now & not the way it was!

Just because you CLAIM something, it doesn't make it your own.

Bravo Bob Petrovich! You've hit it on every point.

CCCC

Albion New York,

I truly feel sorry for you after reading your comment. Every country is worth of visiting, trust me as every country has much to offer to the visitor. I was amazed with your narrow point of view.

Vlad my friend, we Serbians are extremely grateful for the strong support of your people in our hour of need. I for one thank you.

PS it is the Albanian posters putting down the Romanian people.

“What kind of message is that to send a multi-ethnic society or countries faced with ethnic problems or frozen conflicts?” the Romanian president asked'.

[Yess indeedn what kind of message is that- I have occupied Trasnilvania and now I don't want to give it back.. are you crazy people..? I don't care about human rights, killing, sexual violations, destroying properties... that serbs did in Kosova, all I care is that Transilvania remains under Romania, and I am sure this is what Putin thinks about his union of "independent" states. - Romanian President said]. :)

P.S. it was this guy or his predecosor who denied the existance of Holocaous?

Bob Petrovich,

I can see that you managed to get hold of Seselj’s autobiography.
I can’t understand though where did you get the German and USA in his book.

Let’s go though the list and check if Seselj has ticked them (have they been put them in action by Serbian forces)

-start killing your own to instill fear and base where you can hide (DONE that - Killed Albanians instead)

-start killing policemen, forrest rangers, civilians, to provoke response. (DONE that - Not Police but definitely Politicians)

-when response come, hide among civilians to cause civilian deaths (DONE that)

-get American and German help to train your terrorists in foreign bases (No need for that – Arkan did the training in Prishtina)

-coordinate your terrorist activities with American military and diplomatic efforts (DONE that – whenever USA military was out of site – Serbian police did massacres)

-let Americans fake a massacre or two on your behalf (Have not DONE That - No need to fake massacres – you can choose from many committed by Serbian forces)

-in order to pay for services, must be active in narcoterrorist cartel (Good to know that)

-once you have international presence, expel all who are not your ethnic groop, torch their villages, loot their property and destroy all evidence of their cultural heritage. Kill children, elderly, even foreigners who speak their language. (DONE that)


If you are lucky, you will expel 80% of Albanians (DONE THAT – Well it did not work in the end).

It seems that most of his ideas have been put in action by Serbian troops.

"I'm Romanian and I can say 2 things: 1) Romanian gov't and president are official people and they are indeed not keen to recognize Kosovo because of the Transylvanian autonomy claims rather than huge love for Serbia; 2) however, most people I know in Romania consider Serbs to be our best neighbour, traditional ally, friends etc., many Romanians visit Serbia and like it (I even have relatives across the Danube), and most Romanians were totally against the 1999 NATO bombings, despite what the gov't's actions were. But I see here that Serbs think that Romanians aren't good enough to be their friends, and this isn't the first time I see this dismissive disrespectful arrogant attitude. Well, that's too bad - Serbia doesn't really have any friends left, and this kind of attitude isn't helping. Yeah, Romania isn't important, big, rich, whatever, but from those countries (UK, Germany, France, US) all Serbs will get is orders on what to do and blackmail. Including Russia, which is big, important, dictatorial, and scary. Choose your friends carefully, guys, while you still have any.
(vlad drakulic, 1 February 2008 20:07) "

Hi vlad drakulic,

I was scanning through the posts here. The ones who are dismissive of your country and people are actually those who support Kosovo independence ie. I don't think they are Serbians or ethnic Serbs.

So wait, does the EU mission to Kosovo require a full 27-state recognition without a veto, or is it independent and whoever wants to can join it? It is obvious that there is no unity in the UNSC and the EU, so eventually what will happen is Kosovo will declare independence and whoever wants to recognize it will. I think this will be better than constantly twisting the laws of both these organizations, there are states like Taiwan, Turkish Cyprus, Palestine, Ichkeria and other states with limited recognition, they survive fine, Kosovo can do the same, no one will stop them, and they will not be like Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland and Transnistria who have no recognition. I doubt it will set any major precedent, though individual cases of violence, maybe.

Though unfortunate, Romanian decision not to recognise the declaration of the independence does not act as a deterrent.
Romania has helped Kosova Albanians during the NATO intervention and we are grateful to them.
We are not expecting every single country to accept us as a state (well Russia is not going to accept us either, nor will Serbia or in that manner Cyprus – by the looks of it).
We are aware of this; however we also know that the majority of the European countries (and a large number of non European countries) will accept us.
Romania has its reasons for this decision and we respect that.
In time they might change their mind.
Independence will be declared sooner or latter.
I am not saying it will be tomorrow or after a week, because none of us knows when.
What we have to do is to find the ways to help everybody living in Kosova.
Albanians in Kosova know what is to live under a regime that treats you as a second class citizen.
Therefore I am confident that their leaders will do the best not to fall under the same “spell” that Serbian politics have been for the last 100 years.
That would make us no better than the Milosevic regime (and all Milosevic’s before him).
Fighting against one terror regime (Serbian terror regime) just to be replaced by another terror regime (this time Albanian) has never been in Kosova’s agenda.
People in Kosova will not allow that.

Don’t judge us based on the xenophobia that exists at the present.
Judge us on future achievements (or the lack of them).
We might just prove you wrong (I am sure we will).

The reality is even if Nikolic was to win on Sunday there will be no independence - all that is being discussed is an illegal declaration of Dependence i.e. Status Quo possibly with an EU mission instead of UN. However, Serbia will retain its sovereignty over its southern province irrespective of any illegal declaration.

This so called EU mission was meant to have been decided upon on the 28th Jan and it was not even discusssed - could it be because the "few" EU (France, Germany and UK) know that they need unanimity;

"The civilian mission will number around 1,800 people, most of them police and justice experts, one diplomat told the AFP news agency. The launch of the mission, which requires unanimous support, could come quickly, depending on how events unfold in Kosovo and Serbia, where a second round run-off presidential election is taking place Sunday."
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3102742,00.html

So there we go UNANIMOUS support even for the EU mission EULEX - ironic that LEX is law in latin and the EU will be basing its mission on dubiuos legality - maybe INLEX - "lawless" in Latin would be more appropriate!!!

Vlad Drakulic
Serbs consider Romaniens among their many friends regardless how Albanien comentators here want to distort everything and tell you that Serbs don't have any frends in the world.

Of cause this is their wishful thinking because they with help of money from moslom contries managed to sway naive media that they are the angels and Serbs are the devels-truth is slowly coming out.

You can see how easy is to missunderstand things when one is not informed. None of these negative remarks toward Romania is from Serbs trust me.

Just wait for the news after Sunday's election. It will be entirely different atmosphere.
This is not about Kosova, this is about Serbia. Once Serbia's path is determined (west or east) Kosova's status will unravel immediately. Ironically, more ultra-nationalists wants to keep Kosova hostage by selecting Nikolic, easier will be for Kosova to justify its declaration of independence. Right now the focus of western efforts is helping re-elect Tadic in Serbia. For K-Albanians both Tadic and Nikolic are equally good or bad, or say it in another way, it doesn't concern us who will govern Serbia.

You know what? let me be blunt here, seriously it would be nice to have Romania on board as well, but it is not that crucial, romania is not industrial giant nor any power in the region, so it is not of any great importance. Anyway i would neve go to Romania, scared of Vlad Drakulic, in other words spookie country. Saw a documentary recently, there is nothing to visit there except Dracula castle, i rather spend my money in Paris, Berlin,London and others,so who needs Romanian we will have major countries to recognise Kosova, and for as start its fine.

Why Leo, you think Christ will stop independence?

I'll tell you what...the creators of Christ are the ones who are supporting it the most. ;)

.I only
wished that the Chistian Orth
counties in the Balkans and
members of EU they should pull their full weight behind
Serbia and its people.
(Leonidas, 1 February 2008 14:27)

What has this got to do with religion? Are you saying that 'christian' (if you can call them that) countries should always support a 'christian' country even when on the wrong?

We keep hearing 'warning' from serbs about the risk of islamic extremism in kosovo, but the only ever reference to religion come from the serb camp side!

wasn´t it just two days ago some K-albanians claiming that Romania will recognize the socalled "independence"? :)

as I have said it so many times...

you are being duped, and some day you will be forced to realize it...

Peggy, don´t worry...

either this Vlad Drakulic is not Romanian at all, ( this type of comment would rather fit to the albanian-style attempts to create disharmony between Serbs and others ) or he is simply not reading the comments properly enough.

personally, I´d guess it´s the first alternative...

many of them think to be smart, by using western nick-names and then writing provocative anti-serbian comments,in order to provoke anti-western reactions among the serbian writers here...

but, as I said it above, the only THINK to be smart, since those attempts are so easily unveiled as rather naive and ineffectual attempts due to their wrong spelling, grammar and some typically albanian mistakes...

but nevertheless: they are entertaining though!

so, I ask our albanian friends to continue it, since that is it, what makes it so interesting in here...

to all Romanians reading this:
te jubes! :)

PS Were Greece, Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro united, the Albanian cause would be in serious doubt!

Yeah, that's very nice of the president of Romania to worry about the message that a recognition of independence would send, however bigger and stronger countries than Romania have given it the green light, so it seems ridiculous that Romania would worry about this message more than the big guys.

Why doesn't the Romanian president just come clean and say that what he's really worried about is that whole mess with Moldova!

Not that Romania's recognition really matters to the Albanians, but if Romania wants to be so honest and truthful, it should practice the art of "straight-talk" a little more often.

I'm Romanian and I can say 2 things: 1) Romanian gov't and president are official people and they are indeed not keen to recognize Kosovo because of the Transylvanian autonomy claims rather than huge love for Serbia; 2) however, most people I know in Romania consider Serbs to be our best neighbour, traditional ally, friends etc., many Romanians visit Serbia and like it (I even have relatives across the Danube), and most Romanians were totally against the 1999 NATO bombings, despite what the gov't's actions were. But I see here that Serbs think that Romanians aren't good enough to be their friends, and this isn't the first time I see this dismissive disrespectful arrogant attitude. Well, that's too bad - Serbia doesn't really have any friends left, and this kind of attitude isn't helping. Yeah, Romania isn't important, big, rich, whatever, but from those countries (UK, Germany, France, US) all Serbs will get is orders on what to do and blackmail. Including Russia, which is big, important, dictatorial, and scary. Choose your friends carefully, guys, while you still have any.

"but the only ever reference to religion come from the serb camp side."

Not true.

Mufti Naim Ternava, president of the Islamic Community of Kosovo, Serbia spoke at the Muslim Center in Detroit Michigan in 2007.
Through a translator he said, "Thousands of miles away from here, there are Muslim brothers in Kosovo who suffered and who are close religious brothers with you. Thousands of people…went as shahids (martyrs) with the blood of these shahids.”
Ternava also urged the crowd to follow the teachings of Islam.
"Islam is such a comprehensive religion which includes all what the family needs and what an individual needs in this world," he said. "Help others to understand it. Teach it to others."

Peggy,

It seems that you got angry again.
No need for that.
1. I would advice you to read Jovan’s comment (posted to you) and then judge who started the acusations here. Don’t just assume something without reading the whole background.
2. If you also read (please do, just one more time) you will notice that I referenced those names to show that there are pro-Serbian camp members that do not sign with Serbian names. I have never judged anybody on that. I have replied to your comments in several ocassion, did i ever judge you on the bases of the name you use. No i did not (and nor did you it has to be said)
3. I did not see you putting any comments towards Jovan’s speculations. Instead, you reply to his comment, agree with him and accuse me.
4. If by default, any pro Albanian poster with non Albanian name must be labelled, lest label all then.
5. Vlad Drakulic, posted his comment as a Romanian. What gives you the right to judge him as an Albanian?
6. Now, let’s punch holes on your argument. Let’s look as your last sentence (“What is deceiptful is someone claiming to be Romanian for the sole purpose of driving a wedge between Serbian and Romanian people”). What gives you the authority to judge somebody if he is or is not a Romanian. And, let’s be realistic, what rift (wedge) between the Serbian and Romanian people can one guys comment put? What are you so afraid of?
7. I did say this once. I don’t know you good enough to hate you or like you. But, one thing you must respect. Our point of views (Albanian camp VS Serbian Camp) will never meet. What we “know” to be true you consider as a farce (clouded rubbish), and what you “know” to be true we consider the same (clouded rubbish). Please do not expect from me to agree with your view points, nor will I expect that from you.
8. I don’t know where you live nor who you are. I took England as an example as Peggy sounds English. My comment (“So can we say that, you for example are pretending to be British (as your views differ from the official British government views)?”) is not an accusation. At no point did I say you are trying to be something else, I said (and I repeat): “Can we say that you are pretending to be British – just because your name sounds British”. No we cannot.
9. You accuse me for “twisting” your words, but I have a feeling that you just did the exact thing. Preaching something and obeying what you preach should be held in par you cannot choose one now and the other one later (when it suits).
10. When did I use the sentence “refugee”? In which way did you manage to link the refugees with names? Why should anybody’s name be in any shape or form be related to his/her nationality. Again, please read my comment and then judge me. Would it help if I rewrite the comment with your name omitted?

Bob Petrovich, nice try

Leonidas,
The Orthodox population of south and central Albania are proponents of Kosovo's independence. As much as you would like to portray us as moslem, we Albanians are not ignorant to start wars about religion in the 21st century. If Russia, Greece, and Romania would side with Serbia in the Kosovo coflict just because they are Orthodox, then I would renounce my Orthodox religion right now.

Since when Romania has become a leading country in Europe...? Isn't that a paradox of the "modern" world of Romanian thinking? By all means Romania can say what it likes as an independent country but NO WAY to block the other EU countries decision. That time has gone once and for all.....They can join the Serbian-Russian club if they wish...)

LOL, all this rhetroic for what nothing no one is listening, US can sqawk all they want, EU will take there time and eventually the US will say you know what we are out of this Kosovo business and we are going to fight in Iraq and Afganistan before you know it they will leave Europe all together. Listen when the US said they were going to redeploy troops to the US and the German Government was crying and sqawking that the with the US leaving would ruin there economy just like when the US leaves Kosovo people will say the economy will fail. Oh well like Mr solona said these are not times for Dates some people i guess do not understand english or may he should speak spanish and probably everyone will get it.

many of them think to be smart, by using western nick-names and then writing provocative anti-serbian comments,in order to provoke anti-western reactions among the serbian writers here...

(Jovan, 2 February 2008 02:33)

To Albanian camp -- ALARM.
Our secret plan has been uncovered.
Jovan has cracked the code.
Who was the one that said they will never get it.
And we thought that we were “smart” (Jovan proved us wrong).
So guys, follow the following instructions:
We cannot use any more pseudonyms.

So, we cannot use any more names listed below:
Peggy,
Kate
Pijetro
Bob
Bob Petrovich
Leonidas
Tom O'Donoghue
Pyrros
Roger7
Matthew
Lowe

Wait a second; none of these names is Serbian either.
Am I missing something here?
Jovan, what is next.
It seems that many from the Serbian camp think that they are “smart” too.
Are you going to say that Blero is Tony Blair?

Jovan, I wonder if Blero has ever consodered that just maybe Serbian people do give English names to their children simply because they were born in those countries and it makes life easier for the children.

Also, many of us who are of Serbian, Croatian, French or whatever heritage are also called by these names and have been for most of our lives.

Nobody is trying to deceive anyone here. We are all simply using the names we go by in our countries or the names given to us by our parents.

What is deceiptful is someone claiming to be Romanian for the sole purpose of driving a wedge between Serbian and Romanian people.

Jovan, I wonder if Blero has ever consodered that just maybe Serbian people do give English names to their children simply because they were born in those countries and it makes life easier for the children.


(peggy, 3 February 2008 02:33)

Peggy,

I do consider that, and if you reed my comment you will realize that my comment was a response to Jovan’s analysis.
If I am correct, a number of pro-Serbian voices come from England.
At the same time England has expressed readiness to accept Kosovo(a) independence.
So can we say that, you for example are pretending to be British (as your views differ from the official British government views)?
If I am correct it was Romanian government in 1999 that blocked Russia to use their air space when Russians “took over” the Prishtina Airport.
We are grateful to Romania for that action.

So, a Romanian putting his opinion forward, though you might not agree, could be a Romanian that has expressed his views.
Why is, that everybody that has pro Albanian view must be Albanian for you pretending to be somebody else (or has a hidden agenda).
Do you really believe in that (I know that Jovan does, but do you)?
If you are going to see things that way, why should we believe you? Why should we accept that you are anything else but a Serbian pretending to be Dutch, British, Canadian etc.?

By the way, did I tell you that I am Chinese!
Are you going to contest that?

Nice little moral call to arms, Leonardis/ Pyrrhos, on Serbia's behalf!! I totally agree! But why not extend the same invitation on Macedonia's behalf ( an Orthodox nation )?
Please, let's get real for a moment; put aside the silly historic arguments, Macedonia's supposed intransigence ( you took half of it from us, we can't get it back- as far as we're concerned it ends there ) and consider for a moment. Were Greece and Serbia to support Macedonia, we would not be as undermined by our Albanian minority. Remember, Macedonia is the epicenter of the Balkans!

Many Macedonians worked together with the Serbs on Kosovo's historic legacy, the art, culture and so on is similar to that found in Macedonia. Serbs/ Greeks must understand that we are essentially being blackmailed into "supporting" the Albanian agenda.

Churches are essentially worldly structures, wrongly involved in issues of power and society, where they should be ministering to man's spiritual needs. Your call to arms in Serbia's defense is a double standard; ie; you criticise Macedonia for "not supporting" Serbia in its hour of need, yet you see nothing wrong with denying our nation, our ethnicity, our beingness at every turn.

When one Serbian make a comment against Albanians or Kosova, I see very high number of recommendation, no matter if that comment is good or have anything true, if that comment is against Albanians that comment is going to have more that 20 or so recommendations.
To be honest I am just tired of this, so I guess I won’t be that much in this forum. I really like the news that B92 bring in here because they are most of the times true and honest.

I am going to say few things about what I think is going to happen in Kosovo.
One thing for sure is that Serbian police or military will NEVER be in Kosovo again, this is due to what happened in Kosovo 1998-1999, which everyone knows that, ever the Serbs do know what they did in Kosovo. There will be only one force in Kosovo and that is Kosovo Police Service and later on Kosovo Military Forces, which will have Serbs and Albanians from Kosovo.
There is not going to be any passport for Kosovo citizens with the name republic of Serbia or Yugoslavia but it will be Republic of Kosova.
Schools will be in Albanian and Serbia language, so will both languages be official language in all over Kosovo.
For Serbia to gain control in Kosovo it will need to have police and military all over Kosovo and this is NOT going to happen we all know that, I am sure the Serbs know that too.

Serbs got two choices tomorrow:
1. Vote Tadic and you’ll join Europe (without Kosovo)
2. Vote Nikolic and you’ NOT join Europe (again without Kosovo) you’ll let out of Europe and will join “east block”.

It’s your choice, we in Kosovo are going to respect either one you guys made, but it will be good to have good relations with our neighbors. If you want to cooperate with Kosovo, you’re welcome; if you want to block the border with Kosovo then go ahead and do it.
Good luck in whatever you decide tomorrow because no one will be a victim of your nationalist politics anymore.

Take care.

Blero, to be honest, for me it´s quite unimportant who you are...

but to answer your question indirectly... it wouldn´t make much of a difference if you´d call yourself tony blair...in regard to your relation towards the truth, there´s not much that divides you...

some pro-serbian posters are using western nick-names..that´s right.
but their english seems to be just good enough to make it credible if they claim to be non-serbian, and even more if they explicitly deny being serbian or of serbian descent.

instead of that, Albanians seem to feel ashamed of their albanian names... even though it is quite obvious, that those english or scandinavian sounding names stand for persons who barely know to write english...

Roger7, And what is wrong what Naim Ternava said??
Did you try to say something?

xheffo, EA and Funcakes

This is not the question of the significance of Romania in the EU decision-making process, but they are simply expressing their doubts and have every right to do so. This shows that this independence issue is a double-edged sword, and you guys should be a bit more respectful to a country that supported NATO in Kosovo as peace keepers as from 1999. There are other EU countries against independence of Kosovo and this does not mean they automatically have to join the "Russian side", because there isn't one! This situation isn't that simple, and there are countries in doubt, can you think of one reason why they shouldn't be, or should the world stop functioning to save some relatively insignificant Balkan region?

kate

Yes, it is better that countries individually recognize the region than to destroy the rules of the UN and EU, because that indeed will then set a precedent as it shows that international law is not always respected.

Blero,

You are the one who started with the accusations here. You are the one who accused the pro Serbian posters of being deceipbful. I was pointing out to you that there are many reasons why people use English names and throwoing something back at you at the same time.

Nobody is ashamed of anything. Also, why is it so hard for you to believe that non Serbian population might agree with Serbia's position. We have people on this site who sign their names with Real Canadian. I can accuse him of pretending to be Canadian but I never have.

BTW I am not pretending to be English. I don't live in England.

Not everyone on this site is a refugee you know. Some poeple were born in the country they live in and some have come over as children and don't even remember the country of their birth.

I don't ask anyone to tell me if they are Albanian and I don't need to ask. The fact that they have an opinion and I might not agree with it does not mean they don't have the right to express it. So please spare me your you are a Serb and there fore your opinion is clouded rubbish. Either try to punch holes in my arguement or don't respond at all if you don't agree.

quote: [Yess indeedn what kind of message is that- I have occupied Trasnilvania and now I don't want to give it back.. are you crazy people..? I don't care about human rights, killing, sexual violations, destroying properties... that serbs did in Kosova, all I care is that Transilvania remains under Romania, and I am sure this is what Putin thinks about his union of "independent" states. - Romanian President said].

Where did you study history of Europe? It's stupid to compare Transilavania with Kosovo! By the way, the Holocaust in Transilvania was during the Hungarian occupation.

“What kind of message is that to send a multi-ethnic society or countries faced with ethnic problems or frozen conflicts?” the Romanian president asked'.

[Yess indeedn what kind of message is that- I have occupied Trasnilvania and now I don't want to give it back.. are you crazy people..? I don't care about human rights, killing, sexual violations, destroying properties... that serbs did in Kosova, all I care is that Transilvania remains under Romania, and I am sure this is what Putin thinks about his union of "independent" states. - Romanian President said]. :)

P.S. it was this guy or his predecosor who denied the existance of Holocaous?

"Romanian President Traian Basescu has reiterated that his country will not recognize Kosovo independence."

Ohh no! Now this is the end of the world...

Yeah, that's very nice of the president of Romania to worry about the message that a recognition of independence would send, however bigger and stronger countries than Romania have given it the green light, so it seems ridiculous that Romania would worry about this message more than the big guys.

Why doesn't the Romanian president just come clean and say that what he's really worried about is that whole mess with Moldova!

Not that Romania's recognition really matters to the Albanians, but if Romania wants to be so honest and truthful, it should practice the art of "straight-talk" a little more often.

Just wait for the news after Sunday's election. It will be entirely different atmosphere.
This is not about Kosova, this is about Serbia. Once Serbia's path is determined (west or east) Kosova's status will unravel immediately. Ironically, more ultra-nationalists wants to keep Kosova hostage by selecting Nikolic, easier will be for Kosova to justify its declaration of independence. Right now the focus of western efforts is helping re-elect Tadic in Serbia. For K-Albanians both Tadic and Nikolic are equally good or bad, or say it in another way, it doesn't concern us who will govern Serbia.

Though unfortunate, Romanian decision not to recognise the declaration of the independence does not act as a deterrent.
Romania has helped Kosova Albanians during the NATO intervention and we are grateful to them.
We are not expecting every single country to accept us as a state (well Russia is not going to accept us either, nor will Serbia or in that manner Cyprus – by the looks of it).
We are aware of this; however we also know that the majority of the European countries (and a large number of non European countries) will accept us.
Romania has its reasons for this decision and we respect that.
In time they might change their mind.
Independence will be declared sooner or latter.
I am not saying it will be tomorrow or after a week, because none of us knows when.
What we have to do is to find the ways to help everybody living in Kosova.
Albanians in Kosova know what is to live under a regime that treats you as a second class citizen.
Therefore I am confident that their leaders will do the best not to fall under the same “spell” that Serbian politics have been for the last 100 years.
That would make us no better than the Milosevic regime (and all Milosevic’s before him).
Fighting against one terror regime (Serbian terror regime) just to be replaced by another terror regime (this time Albanian) has never been in Kosova’s agenda.
People in Kosova will not allow that.

Don’t judge us based on the xenophobia that exists at the present.
Judge us on future achievements (or the lack of them).
We might just prove you wrong (I am sure we will).

Bob Petrovich,

I can see that you managed to get hold of Seselj’s autobiography.
I can’t understand though where did you get the German and USA in his book.

Let’s go though the list and check if Seselj has ticked them (have they been put them in action by Serbian forces)

-start killing your own to instill fear and base where you can hide (DONE that - Killed Albanians instead)

-start killing policemen, forrest rangers, civilians, to provoke response. (DONE that - Not Police but definitely Politicians)

-when response come, hide among civilians to cause civilian deaths (DONE that)

-get American and German help to train your terrorists in foreign bases (No need for that – Arkan did the training in Prishtina)

-coordinate your terrorist activities with American military and diplomatic efforts (DONE that – whenever USA military was out of site – Serbian police did massacres)

-let Americans fake a massacre or two on your behalf (Have not DONE That - No need to fake massacres – you can choose from many committed by Serbian forces)

-in order to pay for services, must be active in narcoterrorist cartel (Good to know that)

-once you have international presence, expel all who are not your ethnic groop, torch their villages, loot their property and destroy all evidence of their cultural heritage. Kill children, elderly, even foreigners who speak their language. (DONE that)


If you are lucky, you will expel 80% of Albanians (DONE THAT – Well it did not work in the end).

It seems that most of his ideas have been put in action by Serbian troops.

You know what? let me be blunt here, seriously it would be nice to have Romania on board as well, but it is not that crucial, romania is not industrial giant nor any power in the region, so it is not of any great importance. Anyway i would neve go to Romania, scared of Vlad Drakulic, in other words spookie country. Saw a documentary recently, there is nothing to visit there except Dracula castle, i rather spend my money in Paris, Berlin,London and others,so who needs Romanian we will have major countries to recognise Kosova, and for as start its fine.

.I only
wished that the Chistian Orth
counties in the Balkans and
members of EU they should pull their full weight behind
Serbia and its people.
(Leonidas, 1 February 2008 14:27)

What has this got to do with religion? Are you saying that 'christian' (if you can call them that) countries should always support a 'christian' country even when on the wrong?

We keep hearing 'warning' from serbs about the risk of islamic extremism in kosovo, but the only ever reference to religion come from the serb camp side!

So wait, does the EU mission to Kosovo require a full 27-state recognition without a veto, or is it independent and whoever wants to can join it? It is obvious that there is no unity in the UNSC and the EU, so eventually what will happen is Kosovo will declare independence and whoever wants to recognize it will. I think this will be better than constantly twisting the laws of both these organizations, there are states like Taiwan, Turkish Cyprus, Palestine, Ichkeria and other states with limited recognition, they survive fine, Kosovo can do the same, no one will stop them, and they will not be like Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland and Transnistria who have no recognition. I doubt it will set any major precedent, though individual cases of violence, maybe.

Leonidas,
The Orthodox population of south and central Albania are proponents of Kosovo's independence. As much as you would like to portray us as moslem, we Albanians are not ignorant to start wars about religion in the 21st century. If Russia, Greece, and Romania would side with Serbia in the Kosovo coflict just because they are Orthodox, then I would renounce my Orthodox religion right now.

Why Leo, you think Christ will stop independence?

I'll tell you what...the creators of Christ are the ones who are supporting it the most. ;)

Since when Romania has become a leading country in Europe...? Isn't that a paradox of the "modern" world of Romanian thinking? By all means Romania can say what it likes as an independent country but NO WAY to block the other EU countries decision. That time has gone once and for all.....They can join the Serbian-Russian club if they wish...)

The message to minorities in multiethnic countries is obvious: you can do what Kosovo Albanian extremists have done:

-start killing your own to instill fear and base where you can hide

-start killing policemen, forrest rangers, civilians, to provoke response.

-when response come, hide among civilians to cause civilian deaths

-get American and German help to train your terrorists in foreign bases

-coordinate your terrorist activities with American military and diplomatic efforts

-let Americans fake a massacre or two on your behalf

-in order to pay for services, must be active in narcoterrorist cartel

-once you have international presence, expel all who are not your ethnic groop, torch their villages, loot their property and destroy all evidence of their cultural heritage. Kill children, elderly, even foreigners who speak their language.


If you are lucky, you will get the independence.

Hopefully, not. There are 10 000 ethnic groups and only 200 countries. Providing illegal independence to ethnic group who resorted to terrorism is a recipe for bloodbath.

Bob Petrovich, nice try

He is right.

The EU should rethink and re-explore the case for strong automomy in agreement with Serbia. It is unlikely that Kosovo would be a sustainable republic and economically it would be best for the area.

The EU diplomats are capable of doing a much better job than has been done so far.

There is no justification for creating a new state as a reward for the long term ethnic cleansing of Serbs - it is a very bad message to send the the world. Yes Milosevic did wrong in Kosovo, but then so did the Albanians - long before Milosevic.

Every word that Romanian president said is right. Should have been said anything else?

He hit every point:

-Violation of the international law, read UN charter and Helsinki final act

-Wrong message to the multiethnic societies, especially those with frozen conflicts.

I think this is the final word coming form Romania and clear message to the EU emperors
Romania does not want to be involved in this criminal act in any case, whether coordinated or unilaterally proclaimed criminal act. This was enough clear to me. I expect Slovakia and Cyprus to be as clear as Romania, no yes to the criminal act in any case.

Very strong and very firm language from Romania. That's great to see! If Romania were to actually recognize this illegal and immoral 'greater albania' project, they can kiss Transylvania good bye because they would seceed based on the same precedent. So Romania's stance makes perfect sense.
It's good to see some of the smaller countries in the EU growing some 'cojones' and telling the bullies to stuff it. Bravo, and keep it coming! 'European Unity' is an oxymoron. Serbia is, once again, a rock on which empires break.
Cheers!

many of them think to be smart, by using western nick-names and then writing provocative anti-serbian comments,in order to provoke anti-western reactions among the serbian writers here...

(Jovan, 2 February 2008 02:33)

To Albanian camp -- ALARM.
Our secret plan has been uncovered.
Jovan has cracked the code.
Who was the one that said they will never get it.
And we thought that we were “smart” (Jovan proved us wrong).
So guys, follow the following instructions:
We cannot use any more pseudonyms.

So, we cannot use any more names listed below:
Peggy,
Kate
Pijetro
Bob
Bob Petrovich
Leonidas
Tom O'Donoghue
Pyrros
Roger7
Matthew
Lowe

Wait a second; none of these names is Serbian either.
Am I missing something here?
Jovan, what is next.
It seems that many from the Serbian camp think that they are “smart” too.
Are you going to say that Blero is Tony Blair?

Roger7, And what is wrong what Naim Ternava said??
Did you try to say something?

We were told by another article this week that Romania together with Greece
will be in the third wave of
countries recognising Kosovo.
What a lot of waffle.
My gut feeiling is that apart
from Cyprus,Greece,Romania and Slovakia there will be a
lot more countries which will
refuse to recognise the illegal UDI of Kosovo.I only
wished that the Chistian Orth
counties in the Balkans and
members of EU they should pull their full weight behind
Serbia and its people.

Leonidas,
i fully agree about Orthodox Coalition.

The west should fully restore the numeral crimes it has done to Serb nation, and not offer this silly EU carrot, which means nothing.

Peter: "I think this will be better than constantly twisting the laws of both these organizations."

Do you mean one fell swoop theft of the territory is somehow better than gradual theft? Any recognition of the UDI is illegal.

I'm Romanian and I can say 2 things: 1) Romanian gov't and president are official people and they are indeed not keen to recognize Kosovo because of the Transylvanian autonomy claims rather than huge love for Serbia; 2) however, most people I know in Romania consider Serbs to be our best neighbour, traditional ally, friends etc., many Romanians visit Serbia and like it (I even have relatives across the Danube), and most Romanians were totally against the 1999 NATO bombings, despite what the gov't's actions were. But I see here that Serbs think that Romanians aren't good enough to be their friends, and this isn't the first time I see this dismissive disrespectful arrogant attitude. Well, that's too bad - Serbia doesn't really have any friends left, and this kind of attitude isn't helping. Yeah, Romania isn't important, big, rich, whatever, but from those countries (UK, Germany, France, US) all Serbs will get is orders on what to do and blackmail. Including Russia, which is big, important, dictatorial, and scary. Choose your friends carefully, guys, while you still have any.

Albion New York,

I truly feel sorry for you after reading your comment. Every country is worth of visiting, trust me as every country has much to offer to the visitor. I was amazed with your narrow point of view.

When one Serbian make a comment against Albanians or Kosova, I see very high number of recommendation, no matter if that comment is good or have anything true, if that comment is against Albanians that comment is going to have more that 20 or so recommendations.
To be honest I am just tired of this, so I guess I won’t be that much in this forum. I really like the news that B92 bring in here because they are most of the times true and honest.

I am going to say few things about what I think is going to happen in Kosovo.
One thing for sure is that Serbian police or military will NEVER be in Kosovo again, this is due to what happened in Kosovo 1998-1999, which everyone knows that, ever the Serbs do know what they did in Kosovo. There will be only one force in Kosovo and that is Kosovo Police Service and later on Kosovo Military Forces, which will have Serbs and Albanians from Kosovo.
There is not going to be any passport for Kosovo citizens with the name republic of Serbia or Yugoslavia but it will be Republic of Kosova.
Schools will be in Albanian and Serbia language, so will both languages be official language in all over Kosovo.
For Serbia to gain control in Kosovo it will need to have police and military all over Kosovo and this is NOT going to happen we all know that, I am sure the Serbs know that too.

Serbs got two choices tomorrow:
1. Vote Tadic and you’ll join Europe (without Kosovo)
2. Vote Nikolic and you’ NOT join Europe (again without Kosovo) you’ll let out of Europe and will join “east block”.

It’s your choice, we in Kosovo are going to respect either one you guys made, but it will be good to have good relations with our neighbors. If you want to cooperate with Kosovo, you’re welcome; if you want to block the border with Kosovo then go ahead and do it.
Good luck in whatever you decide tomorrow because no one will be a victim of your nationalist politics anymore.

Take care.

Did the albanian camp think it would be one quick "yes" for their independence claim to happen? Now perhaps their own leaders will realize that they're dealing in the here & now & not the way it was!

Just because you CLAIM something, it doesn't make it your own.

Bravo Bob Petrovich! You've hit it on every point.

CCCC

The reality is even if Nikolic was to win on Sunday there will be no independence - all that is being discussed is an illegal declaration of Dependence i.e. Status Quo possibly with an EU mission instead of UN. However, Serbia will retain its sovereignty over its southern province irrespective of any illegal declaration.

This so called EU mission was meant to have been decided upon on the 28th Jan and it was not even discusssed - could it be because the "few" EU (France, Germany and UK) know that they need unanimity;

"The civilian mission will number around 1,800 people, most of them police and justice experts, one diplomat told the AFP news agency. The launch of the mission, which requires unanimous support, could come quickly, depending on how events unfold in Kosovo and Serbia, where a second round run-off presidential election is taking place Sunday."
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3102742,00.html

So there we go UNANIMOUS support even for the EU mission EULEX - ironic that LEX is law in latin and the EU will be basing its mission on dubiuos legality - maybe INLEX - "lawless" in Latin would be more appropriate!!!

"but the only ever reference to religion come from the serb camp side."

Not true.

Mufti Naim Ternava, president of the Islamic Community of Kosovo, Serbia spoke at the Muslim Center in Detroit Michigan in 2007.
Through a translator he said, "Thousands of miles away from here, there are Muslim brothers in Kosovo who suffered and who are close religious brothers with you. Thousands of people…went as shahids (martyrs) with the blood of these shahids.”
Ternava also urged the crowd to follow the teachings of Islam.
"Islam is such a comprehensive religion which includes all what the family needs and what an individual needs in this world," he said. "Help others to understand it. Teach it to others."

wasn´t it just two days ago some K-albanians claiming that Romania will recognize the socalled "independence"? :)

as I have said it so many times...

you are being duped, and some day you will be forced to realize it...

Vlad Drakulic, show me where Serbian camp has been dismissive and disrespectufl to Romania.

Every comment made about how Romania is insignificant etc has come from the Albanian camp. Perhaps you don't know who Albanians are on this site and who the Serbs are.

So, please, do tell me which Serb and what was said for you to make this satatement. You can't just broadly accuse the Serbs in this way and not have anything to back you up.

Serbia is and always will be frends with Romania and grateful for Romania's help during the war. If you are trying to distance Romanians from Serbs then you are failing miserably as there is no evidence whatsoever to back your claim.

Peggy, don´t worry...

either this Vlad Drakulic is not Romanian at all, ( this type of comment would rather fit to the albanian-style attempts to create disharmony between Serbs and others ) or he is simply not reading the comments properly enough.

personally, I´d guess it´s the first alternative...

many of them think to be smart, by using western nick-names and then writing provocative anti-serbian comments,in order to provoke anti-western reactions among the serbian writers here...

but, as I said it above, the only THINK to be smart, since those attempts are so easily unveiled as rather naive and ineffectual attempts due to their wrong spelling, grammar and some typically albanian mistakes...

but nevertheless: they are entertaining though!

so, I ask our albanian friends to continue it, since that is it, what makes it so interesting in here...

to all Romanians reading this:
te jubes! :)

Vlad Drakulic
Serbs consider Romaniens among their many friends regardless how Albanien comentators here want to distort everything and tell you that Serbs don't have any frends in the world.

Of cause this is their wishful thinking because they with help of money from moslom contries managed to sway naive media that they are the angels and Serbs are the devels-truth is slowly coming out.

You can see how easy is to missunderstand things when one is not informed. None of these negative remarks toward Romania is from Serbs trust me.

LOL, all this rhetroic for what nothing no one is listening, US can sqawk all they want, EU will take there time and eventually the US will say you know what we are out of this Kosovo business and we are going to fight in Iraq and Afganistan before you know it they will leave Europe all together. Listen when the US said they were going to redeploy troops to the US and the German Government was crying and sqawking that the with the US leaving would ruin there economy just like when the US leaves Kosovo people will say the economy will fail. Oh well like Mr solona said these are not times for Dates some people i guess do not understand english or may he should speak spanish and probably everyone will get it.

Vlad my friend, we Serbians are extremely grateful for the strong support of your people in our hour of need. I for one thank you.

PS it is the Albanian posters putting down the Romanian people.

"I'm Romanian and I can say 2 things: 1) Romanian gov't and president are official people and they are indeed not keen to recognize Kosovo because of the Transylvanian autonomy claims rather than huge love for Serbia; 2) however, most people I know in Romania consider Serbs to be our best neighbour, traditional ally, friends etc., many Romanians visit Serbia and like it (I even have relatives across the Danube), and most Romanians were totally against the 1999 NATO bombings, despite what the gov't's actions were. But I see here that Serbs think that Romanians aren't good enough to be their friends, and this isn't the first time I see this dismissive disrespectful arrogant attitude. Well, that's too bad - Serbia doesn't really have any friends left, and this kind of attitude isn't helping. Yeah, Romania isn't important, big, rich, whatever, but from those countries (UK, Germany, France, US) all Serbs will get is orders on what to do and blackmail. Including Russia, which is big, important, dictatorial, and scary. Choose your friends carefully, guys, while you still have any.
(vlad drakulic, 1 February 2008 20:07) "

Hi vlad drakulic,

I was scanning through the posts here. The ones who are dismissive of your country and people are actually those who support Kosovo independence ie. I don't think they are Serbians or ethnic Serbs.

Nice little moral call to arms, Leonardis/ Pyrrhos, on Serbia's behalf!! I totally agree! But why not extend the same invitation on Macedonia's behalf ( an Orthodox nation )?
Please, let's get real for a moment; put aside the silly historic arguments, Macedonia's supposed intransigence ( you took half of it from us, we can't get it back- as far as we're concerned it ends there ) and consider for a moment. Were Greece and Serbia to support Macedonia, we would not be as undermined by our Albanian minority. Remember, Macedonia is the epicenter of the Balkans!

Many Macedonians worked together with the Serbs on Kosovo's historic legacy, the art, culture and so on is similar to that found in Macedonia. Serbs/ Greeks must understand that we are essentially being blackmailed into "supporting" the Albanian agenda.

Churches are essentially worldly structures, wrongly involved in issues of power and society, where they should be ministering to man's spiritual needs. Your call to arms in Serbia's defense is a double standard; ie; you criticise Macedonia for "not supporting" Serbia in its hour of need, yet you see nothing wrong with denying our nation, our ethnicity, our beingness at every turn.

PS Were Greece, Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro united, the Albanian cause would be in serious doubt!

xheffo, EA and Funcakes

This is not the question of the significance of Romania in the EU decision-making process, but they are simply expressing their doubts and have every right to do so. This shows that this independence issue is a double-edged sword, and you guys should be a bit more respectful to a country that supported NATO in Kosovo as peace keepers as from 1999. There are other EU countries against independence of Kosovo and this does not mean they automatically have to join the "Russian side", because there isn't one! This situation isn't that simple, and there are countries in doubt, can you think of one reason why they shouldn't be, or should the world stop functioning to save some relatively insignificant Balkan region?

kate

Yes, it is better that countries individually recognize the region than to destroy the rules of the UN and EU, because that indeed will then set a precedent as it shows that international law is not always respected.

Blero, to be honest, for me it´s quite unimportant who you are...

but to answer your question indirectly... it wouldn´t make much of a difference if you´d call yourself tony blair...in regard to your relation towards the truth, there´s not much that divides you...

some pro-serbian posters are using western nick-names..that´s right.
but their english seems to be just good enough to make it credible if they claim to be non-serbian, and even more if they explicitly deny being serbian or of serbian descent.

instead of that, Albanians seem to feel ashamed of their albanian names... even though it is quite obvious, that those english or scandinavian sounding names stand for persons who barely know to write english...

Jovan, I wonder if Blero has ever consodered that just maybe Serbian people do give English names to their children simply because they were born in those countries and it makes life easier for the children.

Also, many of us who are of Serbian, Croatian, French or whatever heritage are also called by these names and have been for most of our lives.

Nobody is trying to deceive anyone here. We are all simply using the names we go by in our countries or the names given to us by our parents.

What is deceiptful is someone claiming to be Romanian for the sole purpose of driving a wedge between Serbian and Romanian people.

Jovan, I wonder if Blero has ever consodered that just maybe Serbian people do give English names to their children simply because they were born in those countries and it makes life easier for the children.


(peggy, 3 February 2008 02:33)

Peggy,

I do consider that, and if you reed my comment you will realize that my comment was a response to Jovan’s analysis.
If I am correct, a number of pro-Serbian voices come from England.
At the same time England has expressed readiness to accept Kosovo(a) independence.
So can we say that, you for example are pretending to be British (as your views differ from the official British government views)?
If I am correct it was Romanian government in 1999 that blocked Russia to use their air space when Russians “took over” the Prishtina Airport.
We are grateful to Romania for that action.

So, a Romanian putting his opinion forward, though you might not agree, could be a Romanian that has expressed his views.
Why is, that everybody that has pro Albanian view must be Albanian for you pretending to be somebody else (or has a hidden agenda).
Do you really believe in that (I know that Jovan does, but do you)?
If you are going to see things that way, why should we believe you? Why should we accept that you are anything else but a Serbian pretending to be Dutch, British, Canadian etc.?

By the way, did I tell you that I am Chinese!
Are you going to contest that?

Blero,

You are the one who started with the accusations here. You are the one who accused the pro Serbian posters of being deceipbful. I was pointing out to you that there are many reasons why people use English names and throwoing something back at you at the same time.

Nobody is ashamed of anything. Also, why is it so hard for you to believe that non Serbian population might agree with Serbia's position. We have people on this site who sign their names with Real Canadian. I can accuse him of pretending to be Canadian but I never have.

BTW I am not pretending to be English. I don't live in England.

Not everyone on this site is a refugee you know. Some poeple were born in the country they live in and some have come over as children and don't even remember the country of their birth.

I don't ask anyone to tell me if they are Albanian and I don't need to ask. The fact that they have an opinion and I might not agree with it does not mean they don't have the right to express it. So please spare me your you are a Serb and there fore your opinion is clouded rubbish. Either try to punch holes in my arguement or don't respond at all if you don't agree.

Peggy,

It seems that you got angry again.
No need for that.
1. I would advice you to read Jovan’s comment (posted to you) and then judge who started the acusations here. Don’t just assume something without reading the whole background.
2. If you also read (please do, just one more time) you will notice that I referenced those names to show that there are pro-Serbian camp members that do not sign with Serbian names. I have never judged anybody on that. I have replied to your comments in several ocassion, did i ever judge you on the bases of the name you use. No i did not (and nor did you it has to be said)
3. I did not see you putting any comments towards Jovan’s speculations. Instead, you reply to his comment, agree with him and accuse me.
4. If by default, any pro Albanian poster with non Albanian name must be labelled, lest label all then.
5. Vlad Drakulic, posted his comment as a Romanian. What gives you the right to judge him as an Albanian?
6. Now, let’s punch holes on your argument. Let’s look as your last sentence (“What is deceiptful is someone claiming to be Romanian for the sole purpose of driving a wedge between Serbian and Romanian people”). What gives you the authority to judge somebody if he is or is not a Romanian. And, let’s be realistic, what rift (wedge) between the Serbian and Romanian people can one guys comment put? What are you so afraid of?
7. I did say this once. I don’t know you good enough to hate you or like you. But, one thing you must respect. Our point of views (Albanian camp VS Serbian Camp) will never meet. What we “know” to be true you consider as a farce (clouded rubbish), and what you “know” to be true we consider the same (clouded rubbish). Please do not expect from me to agree with your view points, nor will I expect that from you.
8. I don’t know where you live nor who you are. I took England as an example as Peggy sounds English. My comment (“So can we say that, you for example are pretending to be British (as your views differ from the official British government views)?”) is not an accusation. At no point did I say you are trying to be something else, I said (and I repeat): “Can we say that you are pretending to be British – just because your name sounds British”. No we cannot.
9. You accuse me for “twisting” your words, but I have a feeling that you just did the exact thing. Preaching something and obeying what you preach should be held in par you cannot choose one now and the other one later (when it suits).
10. When did I use the sentence “refugee”? In which way did you manage to link the refugees with names? Why should anybody’s name be in any shape or form be related to his/her nationality. Again, please read my comment and then judge me. Would it help if I rewrite the comment with your name omitted?

quote: [Yess indeedn what kind of message is that- I have occupied Trasnilvania and now I don't want to give it back.. are you crazy people..? I don't care about human rights, killing, sexual violations, destroying properties... that serbs did in Kosova, all I care is that Transilvania remains under Romania, and I am sure this is what Putin thinks about his union of "independent" states. - Romanian President said].

Where did you study history of Europe? It's stupid to compare Transilavania with Kosovo! By the way, the Holocaust in Transilvania was during the Hungarian occupation.