Poll: 75 percent of Serbians in favor of EU

you are right that yongsters are obsessed with Europe because they have never been outside Serbian borders. Why is that? -bganon

--Don't know why they did not go, ask friendly Europe why didn't they already stripped the visa regime for Serbia after 8 years with democratic leaders. Karadzic and Mladic are ony excuse, believe me. Money can be another reason, but I am sure with little money the one can travel as I did. I did not go for shopping but for meeting the new cultures.

Don't understand me wrong, I am all for the EU cooperation along with Russia. I wouldn't turn shoulders to the EU but I would not underestimate Russia either. But, I would not like us to die happy just for smelling the EU's carrots. I think we should preserve some pride as well.

I would not agree with you that our NGO's have good role. Unfortunately, in many occasions they act as communists.

@bganon:"The fact remains that the EU is a vote winner in Serbia"

Of course, because remarkable structures of disinformation was built, institutionalized, and remain parts of Serb society. Under these conditions it became relatively easy to promote propaganda, because after all who would counter it?

German quote from 1940's: "The only thing Slavs are good for is as cheap labour."

Join the EU and make it true. Just ask the Poles.

Bmrusila,

excellent point - the question should be put back to the EU as to why they have not done more since 2000 to open up opprotunities for Serbia and its whole populace to travel more freely but then that is probably why the EU is labelled fortress Europe.

Bganon, I dont believe any Serbian wants isolation however, given the way the US and "few" EU dictate their imperialism their raches a point where enough really is enough and one has to stand up and be counted even if in the short term it is detrimental.

Some 75 percent believed that the economic situation would improve if Serbia became an EU member.

-Then these 75%have no idea what does it mean being a member of the EU if they perceived it that way. There will be no much better economy, and yes they will use us as cheap labour as they already begun. The EU would benefit much more form us than we would benefit from being its member. All we need is free visa regime and trade.

Another thing, did they ask people are they ready to join that EU after its involvement in Serbia's partitioning?

The last thing and very important is that by joining the EU Serbia would definitely lose its identity, not because of the other nations but because of ourselves alone. Half of the nation is brain washed by Natasa Kandic et al that they have no nationality but that they are just citizens. By joining the EU that brain washed juveniles will forget who they are and where they belong to. That was done during the communism and the same happens under democrats. I see no difference between them, they are all any way sons and daughters of the ex communists.

Youngster are so obsessed by the Europe (that they never visited) that they do not value and appreciate Serbian tradition. They think that having tradition is something old fashion and overcame in Europe and that is because they never saw Europe and met Europeans. That is why they should first travel to that Europe and then see how the other nations in the Europe cherish their national identity and tradition

The fact remains that the EU is a vote winner in Serbia despite efforts to dirty the word by a very vocal minority.

I am very critical of Europe but find Europe preferable to insular politics or the communistic tendancy to see a saviour only in Russia. Serbia should become a member of the EU and it should have a strong relationship with Russia - perhaps like the United Kingdom between Washington and Brussels.

bmrusila you are right that yongsters are obsessed with Europe because they have never been outside Serbian borders. Why is that?

I wouldnt say that half the nation are brainwashed by Kandic. But I would say that about a third of the nation are susceptible to brainwashing. You can provide them with all the evidence / facts in the world and they still choose to believe something else.

I'd say brainwashing from parents is much more effective than brainwashing from NGO members who are discredted daily by the Serbian media.

Strange result.
I was told that Serbia is heading towards a strong alliance with Russia.

I wonder if the EU commissioned this Strategic Marketing poll?

Clearly they didnt want to ask the question;

Would you join the EU if some of its member states illegally recognised secessionist entity of Kosovo Albanians?

I guess they probably know the result in advance hence why they wont ask it!

If indeed this is what the Serbs want, no government should stop them. The EU can bring a lot of good to Serbia and to Kosovo. On the other hand, Gordo has a good point, one just has to talk to some people in Western Europe from Poland about how Poles are being stereotyped as drunks, thieves and uneducated manual workers. This I do not wish for Serbs, or Albanians who seem to view the EU as some type of Utopian paradise.

"She said that an improvement in the standard of living and free movement were the first things Serbian citizens associated with EU membership."
- Strange, I thought Serbia was the greatest country in the world, so why would a decent patriot want to travel or even work abroad in the first place?

Petar, I think you might be on to something if you say that "remarkable structures of disinformation [were] built, institutionalized, and remain parts of Serb society. Under these conditions it became relatively easy to promote propaganda, because after all who would counter it?"
After all, how else would Milosevic have managed to get all that support for his war adventures and still stay in power for years once they had failed? How else would "Serbs are best, we hate the West!" party like the Radicals do so at elections well with such moronic positions?

Princip 'however, given the way the US and "few" EU dictate their imperialism their reaches a point where enough really is enough and one has to stand up and be counted even if in the short term it is detrimental.'

If I had a pound for every time I heard this from Serbs in Serbia and abroad since 1990 I'd be a rich man.

The thing is its always the 'short term', its always 'a point of principle'. If you are Serbian its always about standing up (according to some Serbs). Well, sorry, not at any cost and it is Serbians living in the matica who will pay the cost. Every time we 'stand up', we fail and are punished severely afterward.

I do think there is a time and a place to stand up and be counted and it should be done rarely and sparingly. If you stand up and start yelling about everything you disagree with people have a tendancy to ignore you.

There is a lesson to learn in everything that happened to us in the last 10 years - all of us must learn - even those that were in no way to blame for what happened. If we continue with the same way of thinking, as if nothing happened, we will never progress.

bmrusila - tell me am I right or not? Have we not been defeated over and over again? It cant just be about other countries and bad luck, it is also about lack of strategy and foward thinking.

You do not take everything that the EU offers. You compromise with them. It is not about humiliation for god's sake, they dont care about emotion. Its about aims. If it helps the Serbian economy (and therefore helps Serbia to be stronger), if it is in the Serbian interest to be in the EU then we should be in the EU. Nema tu nista sporno.

It is not about having a massive army, about untouchable theories such as national dignity and so on. It is about real things that you can see around you - such as people living in poverty.

75% favor the EU.

New poll, how many Serbs are in favor of "keeping" Kosova and turning their back on Kosova..25%? 10%?

How many are in favor of embargoing Kosova, and turning their back to Europe?


If the percentage of the polls are high we can conclude that Serbia is plagued by a population composed of vets and house wives that make up the majority of the population.

wow 75 percent wow

The thing is its always the 'short term', its always 'a point of principle'. If you are Serbian its always about standing up (according to some Serbs). Well, sorry, not at any cost and it is Serbians living in the matica who will pay the cost. Every time we 'stand up', we fail and are punished severely afterward.
(bganon

I am sorry that you feel that way.
I just cannot still understand how can you believe in EU after the EU is punishing you severely just for raising your voice against injustice. So, you rather take everything that EU offers you, and the only thing that the EU is offering us is humiliation.

"She said that an improvement in the standard of living and free movement were the first things Serbian citizens associated with EU membership."
- Strange, I thought Serbia was the greatest country in the world, so why would a decent patriot want to travel or even work abroad in the first place?

Petar, I think you might be on to something if you say that "remarkable structures of disinformation [were] built, institutionalized, and remain parts of Serb society. Under these conditions it became relatively easy to promote propaganda, because after all who would counter it?"
After all, how else would Milosevic have managed to get all that support for his war adventures and still stay in power for years once they had failed? How else would "Serbs are best, we hate the West!" party like the Radicals do so at elections well with such moronic positions?

The fact remains that the EU is a vote winner in Serbia despite efforts to dirty the word by a very vocal minority.

I am very critical of Europe but find Europe preferable to insular politics or the communistic tendancy to see a saviour only in Russia. Serbia should become a member of the EU and it should have a strong relationship with Russia - perhaps like the United Kingdom between Washington and Brussels.

bmrusila you are right that yongsters are obsessed with Europe because they have never been outside Serbian borders. Why is that?

I wouldnt say that half the nation are brainwashed by Kandic. But I would say that about a third of the nation are susceptible to brainwashing. You can provide them with all the evidence / facts in the world and they still choose to believe something else.

I'd say brainwashing from parents is much more effective than brainwashing from NGO members who are discredted daily by the Serbian media.

I wonder if the EU commissioned this Strategic Marketing poll?

Clearly they didnt want to ask the question;

Would you join the EU if some of its member states illegally recognised secessionist entity of Kosovo Albanians?

I guess they probably know the result in advance hence why they wont ask it!

75% favor the EU.

New poll, how many Serbs are in favor of "keeping" Kosova and turning their back on Kosova..25%? 10%?

How many are in favor of embargoing Kosova, and turning their back to Europe?


If the percentage of the polls are high we can conclude that Serbia is plagued by a population composed of vets and house wives that make up the majority of the population.

Princip 'however, given the way the US and "few" EU dictate their imperialism their reaches a point where enough really is enough and one has to stand up and be counted even if in the short term it is detrimental.'

If I had a pound for every time I heard this from Serbs in Serbia and abroad since 1990 I'd be a rich man.

The thing is its always the 'short term', its always 'a point of principle'. If you are Serbian its always about standing up (according to some Serbs). Well, sorry, not at any cost and it is Serbians living in the matica who will pay the cost. Every time we 'stand up', we fail and are punished severely afterward.

I do think there is a time and a place to stand up and be counted and it should be done rarely and sparingly. If you stand up and start yelling about everything you disagree with people have a tendancy to ignore you.

There is a lesson to learn in everything that happened to us in the last 10 years - all of us must learn - even those that were in no way to blame for what happened. If we continue with the same way of thinking, as if nothing happened, we will never progress.

German quote from 1940's: "The only thing Slavs are good for is as cheap labour."

Join the EU and make it true. Just ask the Poles.

Strange result.
I was told that Serbia is heading towards a strong alliance with Russia.

Some 75 percent believed that the economic situation would improve if Serbia became an EU member.

-Then these 75%have no idea what does it mean being a member of the EU if they perceived it that way. There will be no much better economy, and yes they will use us as cheap labour as they already begun. The EU would benefit much more form us than we would benefit from being its member. All we need is free visa regime and trade.

Another thing, did they ask people are they ready to join that EU after its involvement in Serbia's partitioning?

The last thing and very important is that by joining the EU Serbia would definitely lose its identity, not because of the other nations but because of ourselves alone. Half of the nation is brain washed by Natasa Kandic et al that they have no nationality but that they are just citizens. By joining the EU that brain washed juveniles will forget who they are and where they belong to. That was done during the communism and the same happens under democrats. I see no difference between them, they are all any way sons and daughters of the ex communists.

Youngster are so obsessed by the Europe (that they never visited) that they do not value and appreciate Serbian tradition. They think that having tradition is something old fashion and overcame in Europe and that is because they never saw Europe and met Europeans. That is why they should first travel to that Europe and then see how the other nations in the Europe cherish their national identity and tradition

@bganon:"The fact remains that the EU is a vote winner in Serbia"

Of course, because remarkable structures of disinformation was built, institutionalized, and remain parts of Serb society. Under these conditions it became relatively easy to promote propaganda, because after all who would counter it?

you are right that yongsters are obsessed with Europe because they have never been outside Serbian borders. Why is that? -bganon

--Don't know why they did not go, ask friendly Europe why didn't they already stripped the visa regime for Serbia after 8 years with democratic leaders. Karadzic and Mladic are ony excuse, believe me. Money can be another reason, but I am sure with little money the one can travel as I did. I did not go for shopping but for meeting the new cultures.

Don't understand me wrong, I am all for the EU cooperation along with Russia. I wouldn't turn shoulders to the EU but I would not underestimate Russia either. But, I would not like us to die happy just for smelling the EU's carrots. I think we should preserve some pride as well.

I would not agree with you that our NGO's have good role. Unfortunately, in many occasions they act as communists.

If indeed this is what the Serbs want, no government should stop them. The EU can bring a lot of good to Serbia and to Kosovo. On the other hand, Gordo has a good point, one just has to talk to some people in Western Europe from Poland about how Poles are being stereotyped as drunks, thieves and uneducated manual workers. This I do not wish for Serbs, or Albanians who seem to view the EU as some type of Utopian paradise.

Bmrusila,

excellent point - the question should be put back to the EU as to why they have not done more since 2000 to open up opprotunities for Serbia and its whole populace to travel more freely but then that is probably why the EU is labelled fortress Europe.

Bganon, I dont believe any Serbian wants isolation however, given the way the US and "few" EU dictate their imperialism their raches a point where enough really is enough and one has to stand up and be counted even if in the short term it is detrimental.

wow 75 percent wow

The thing is its always the 'short term', its always 'a point of principle'. If you are Serbian its always about standing up (according to some Serbs). Well, sorry, not at any cost and it is Serbians living in the matica who will pay the cost. Every time we 'stand up', we fail and are punished severely afterward.
(bganon

I am sorry that you feel that way.
I just cannot still understand how can you believe in EU after the EU is punishing you severely just for raising your voice against injustice. So, you rather take everything that EU offers you, and the only thing that the EU is offering us is humiliation.

bmrusila - tell me am I right or not? Have we not been defeated over and over again? It cant just be about other countries and bad luck, it is also about lack of strategy and foward thinking.

You do not take everything that the EU offers. You compromise with them. It is not about humiliation for god's sake, they dont care about emotion. Its about aims. If it helps the Serbian economy (and therefore helps Serbia to be stronger), if it is in the Serbian interest to be in the EU then we should be in the EU. Nema tu nista sporno.

It is not about having a massive army, about untouchable theories such as national dignity and so on. It is about real things that you can see around you - such as people living in poverty.