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Wednesday, 30.01.2008.

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Tadić: No foreign military bases in Serbia

Boris Tadić has told a Moscow daily that there will be no foreign military bases in Serbia while he is president.

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azir

pre 16 godina

Bmrusila,according to you the all powerfull Albanian lobby has somehow magicaly convinced the entire world's media and even the White House to play along with our fabrication.I suppose that must of cost us a fortune.Let me guess, those 1 million refugees illegaly deported from Kosova in 1999 into surrounding countries were really paid actors or even, actually, ethnic Serbs who were only speaking Albanian because the rich Albanian lobbyist paid them to. And Richard Holbrook is, in fact,an ethnic Albanian according to Serbia intelligence reports??You also amuse us with your worrying that we had an expensive campaign to fool the world, did you forget there are rich "criminals".You also threaten us with "you will pay dearly for all those fabrications and you will continue to pay in the future".Judging from all the mass graves containing Kosovar civilians,who I'm sure you think are only acting dead, haven't we suffered enough already?Obviously the Serbs don't think so.Either you're exagerrating our political efforts and/or insulting the world's intelligence.If UCK were "criminals" then how could we so cleaverly cause NATO to come to our defense and go into combat for the first time in their entire history? Let me see it from your view, we paid them to, right? You insult UCK "capacity" to fly planes, how do you know there weren't Albanian-American pilots joining other NATO forces in liberating Kosova? Don't you know during the 78 days of limited bombing all the particapants were honory UCK members assisting us in our efforts to bring freedom ,democracy from our friendly Serb neighbors from the north.If we were the criminals defending Kosovar civilians then why were the Serb forces attacked? Could it be that the Serbs were the aggressors??,however outrageous it might sound to you. As for the figures I used, they were CIA estimates and Kosovar family victim accounts.Are you telling me to not trust the victims but instead rely on the perpetrators?The CIA estimates 10,000 Kosovar victims of Serb aggression. The 3000 kidnapped to Serbia during Serb withdrawal abviously weren't taken on a tour of Belgrade sights. The FBI located 3 Albanian-Americans buried in a mass grave behind the Serbian police academy, I suppose that was also an Albanian sponsored fabrication.We don't need your sympathy or any other Serbs.I'm nor enlarging figures just relay government and victims estimates.You on the other hand are so brain-washed with Tanjug mis information that you are hopelessly missing the light.As for you any Kosovar freedom fighter is a criminal, then what do you call yourself? Or is the entire world criminals? And the innocent Serbs were involved in 4 lost wars a coincidence?I know, I know it was really the Albanians fault. Sunday is you opportunity to change course.Save your energy by supporting democratic leaders instead of the Radical party haters.

Anton

pre 16 godina

UNHCR advised in their summary report in January 2006 that there were 246,00 IDP's in Serbia as a consequence of the civil war in KiM. Since then less than 25,000 have returned. Of this number they report that over 200,000 are Serbs.

You may not like the truth, but the truth is quite simple. Check out their reports.

Anton

pre 16 godina

missimo: from UNHCR briefing 16 June 2006

"There are still more than 200,000 refugees and persons of concern to UNHCR from Kosovo in western European and other countries, with an equal number of IDPs in Serbia and some 18,000 persons of concern in neighbouring Montenegro"

Ratko

pre 16 godina

TO MASSIMO:

"When you say that "there are 220,000 refugees still waiting to be repatriated into Kosovo", you should know that many of them are Kosovars of Albanian population.
Thank God that we worked for UNDP and UNCHR in Kosovo!!! Just to show why that organisations worked badly in 1999!
Bad try is your one.
And bear in mind that nor I am Albanian neither Serbian.
(massimo, 1 February 2008 16:46) "

If you are not albanian nor serbian then how do YOU exaclty know so much about this region - more than people who actually live/lived there? You really amaze massimo me with the false information in your post. It really amazes me when some outsider tries to give lessons to people who are acutally from there.

How can say the majority of those refugees are albanians? You gotta be kidding me right? So albanians kicked out their own people? Well it's gotta be the few refugees that collaborated with the "evil serbs" - and uck didn't get the chance to liquidate them!

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Azir,


The world is at your side, not because they know you were the "victims", they know that victim story is nothing but fabrication from the White House and the main scenario was written by Richard Holbrook and his puppet chief for Kosovo verification mission (OSCE) William Walker. Through Albanian lobby, I dare to say youpaid dearly for all those fabrications and you will continue to pay in the future. Of course the world is prone to believe media without using a bit of brains and judge for itself. As for your comment on Albanian outlook described as a "good one", I say no comment, staying reserved.

Then you said NATO and UCK united were bombing Serbia. I would say that that was done only by NATO since I doubt that UCK criminals have capacity for such demanding skill to handle the plane. They are good for rifles but not for planes.
Another fabrication is 10 000 murdered and 3 000 missing. Each day new numbers. Let me tell you, as long as you play with numbers, and speak about some none-existent huge number, I personally cannot take you seriously not to mention to have some sympathy for the victims. You are the one that misuses tragedy of the real victims and by enlarging the number you are actually jibing to the face of the victims. The real number of the murdered and missing is not in Vikipedia but in international organisations dealing with the war victims.


All the real victims may rest in peace and hope you are not going to use them any longer for propaganda peurposes.

Uour UCK leaders and nowadays ANA leaders should be called by right name-criminals that you awarded in elections with high positions.

massimo

pre 16 godina

Anton wrote: "The census information is quite explicit. From the 1913 conference the approximate percentages were 55% Albanian extraction, 40% Serbian and 5% others. Just prior to WWII the split was approx 65% Albanian, 30% Serbian, 5% others. Now, following the ethnic cleansing, there are 90% Albanians.".
Dear Anton, you should know very well that the % increasing of Albanian population is due to demography. In the nineties the Albanian population was already the 90%, approximately, of Kosovo's people.
When you say that "there are 220,000 refugees still waiting to be repatriated into Kosovo", you should know that many of them are Kosovars of Albanian population.
Thank God that we worked for UNDP and UNCHR in Kosovo!!! Just to show why that organisations worked badly in 1999!
Bad try is your one.
And bear in mind that nor I am Albanian neither Serbian.

gjipeja

pre 16 godina

I try to follow the developments and I really think that serbia has serious problems as a state nation or entity. The trick of the politicans is to hide all this discontents and problems dealing with Kosovo case. If serbia elite and lidership would have been speaking 15% less for the "protection of the cradle of Serbia" it would have saved a lot of energies that affect directly the serbian population. All the leaders have a detailed strategy of Kosovo status for the next 20 years but I have not hear about a highlevel strategy in economy, social issues, culture etc etc. What they and all of us are doing in the last 9 or 19 years is waisting all the time and inteligence in one issue... one single issue that is sucking all the resources. Tadic and very few other characters in the serbian elite are trying to make this happen: a change in the priorities of the next future, but the consequence is angry people who have a miserable life but still pray god to not loose Kosovo. This is demagogy ... live good and be free ...

Anton

pre 16 godina

azir,

You say, "Minorities in Kosova never exceeded 10%". Check your history books. The census infomration is quite explicit. From the 1913 conference the approximate percentages were 55% Albanian extraction, 40% Serbian and 5% others. Just prior to WWII the split was approx 65% Albanian, 30% Serbian, 5% others. Now, following the ethnic cleansing, there are 90% Albanians.

According to UNDP and UNHCR (organisations that I have worked with IN KOSOVO) there are approximately 220,000 refugees still waiting to be repatriated into KiM. Of this number there are approx 200,000 Serbs. If you also include approx 100,000 Serbs STILL IN KiM, your figures about Albanian majority are pure fantasy.

I think we can therefore ignore your other 'facts' as well. Nice try, but doesn't fool anyone.

azir

pre 16 godina

bmrusila, you tell us you were in fact there during the 90's. Did you participate in Serbia senseless wars of aggression? If not, is that so un-serb-like? If so, then the Hague is probably looking for you.If the Kosovars were "murderers rapist and etc" then why is it that everyone is on our side? Can't be because of our good looks, alone..Talk of glorification, wasn't the Radical party's 40% popular support an indication of your future's direction? Wasn't NATO and UCK united in bombing some sense into the Serbs that made you abandon your Greater Serbia policy of aggression? And you're still confused as to who the real criminals are? We still have over 10,000 murdered Kosovars and over 3,000 kidnapped to Serbia. All the Serbian perpetrators have yet to face justice.Does that bother you?Why do you think the Hague was established for?

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Azir,

I was there during 90's. Your glorification for the murderers and brutal criminals is amazing. Murderers and rapsits are freedom fighters in your Albanian eyes, great.

azir

pre 16 godina

Princip you claim Kosova's PM Thaci and General Ceku allegedly commited "murder, rape and torture, among other things. Where you there when this allegedly happened? And if you were how is it possible for you to have survived this fantasy of yours?? Kosova's freedom fighters were on their land defending their own families and homes from Serb ethnic cleansing campaign that even your beloved Tadic acknowledges was senseless. Why do you think he never wants to return to the nineties, because he's admiting responsibility from his country's agression.Be a man and accept reality and responsibilty for your failures.Tadic does,why not you?

azir

pre 16 godina

Tadic is correct in stating the obvious and as President of Serbia he realizes Kosova's foreign bases are also foreign to Serbia.He accepts and understands the differences between the too bordering countries.

azir

pre 16 godina

Delije- you allege from Kosova there were 200,000 Serbs expelled.Minorities in Kosova never exceeded 10% and of that only half were Serbs.So if you do your calculation right, out of total population of 2 million Kosovars there are 200,000 non-Albanians. From the figure half are ethnic Serbs which would give you only 100,000. How can you resonable claim over 200,000 Serbs expelled when Serb communities still exist and you never had that amount from the start.You can't claim 200,000 exist and 200,000 were expelled and so for and so on.Is 200,000 your favorite number???

peggy

pre 16 godina

So Tadc tells Russia "Thanks for all your help, but now go away and don't expect a partnership from me".

Does he want a partnership the the US who only want to rob Serbia of it's territory?

The US already controls part of his country. Where has he been all these years?

It's time to send this guy off with a gold watch.

JohnBoy

pre 16 godina

This freudian statement proves that Tadic has already surrendered Kosovo in his mind. He just refuses to admit it in public. When he loses his job, he should immigrate to America to be a politician. He already has the necessary skill.

Matthew

pre 16 godina

I like Tadic, but I feel strongly he is very wrong here. Serbia should certainly invite the Russians to station themselves in the North of Kosovo and around our Churches while it’s still a UN mission. The Russians respect Serbia too much to pull any funny stuff. Even Stalin knew better than to do to us what he did to the rest of Eastern Europe. I trust Putin to ensure a repeat of 2004 doesn’t happen far more than I do the EU.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Bmrusila and ZK,

I did have an ambivalence regarding Tadic - had doubts but gave benefit of the doubt. Overall, I respected the pairing of Tadic and Kostunica - they worked well - Tadic moderating Kostunica while Kostunica pushed on Tadic in the right direction and efffectivly confusing the US and "few" EU.

However, all that Tadic has stated and in the way he has run this negative campaign really does suggest that he does not want to win. Either he has no "balls" to face up to the EU and never had intended to uphold the most basic requirement that any self respecting President of a state should i.e its Sovereignity or he just totally fails to comprehend the way the US and "few" EU duplicitously work as exemplified in messages stated through their mass media that they will act illegally even if Tadic wins but to be generous to him will delay this illegality by a week - how generous they are!!!
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3097701,00.html
http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKL3040768720080130
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-01-30-voa30.cfm

Either way Tadic has lost a great deal of respect amongst the electorate and clearly is no longer deserving of being President of the Republic of Serbia given his inaction to fully comprehend and respect the wish of the Majority i.e. their desire to have strong and self respecting President who believes in a Sovereign Serbia and clearly and unequivocally stands for - All of Serbia in the EU or not at all!

Personally I am not swayed by the negative spin put across regarding a Nikolic win - lets put it into perspective the Presidency is although symbolic mainly ceremonial. Beyond that the EU is not unified and would not block and isolate Serbia - Serbia is after all in Europe and the "few" EU would only shame themselves given they are the ones acting illegall. Beyond which the EU has more pressing economic concerns!!!

DJ MeHighLow

pre 16 godina

"and as long as I am president, there will be no foreign military bases on our territory"... umm ever heard of Camp Bonsteel? its the US/NATO millitry foothold in the Balkans. Conveniently forgot about that one huh, Mr. Tadic?

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Princip and bmrusila

Tadic is going for the swing voters. Those that care less about Kosovo and more about the EU. They seem to be the younger generation so there may be 4% or 5% in it for him.

I don't think he is acting strange but rather following instructions from the NGOs (US/UK/DE) who are number crunching at the moment to see whether they can swing it his way.

I generally don't have any political preferences in Serbia but from what I have read, Tadic went a bit overboard. Nikolic on the other hand, seems to address Serbia's interests a lot more solidly.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Princip UK,

I am not really sure does Tadic really want to lose this game but his behaviour is very strange lately. He has never led such campaign before, therefore I am negatively surprised. I would say he is in panic. The reason he did not want to sign the annex proposed by Kostunica is because he was often accused by the voters for being very cooperative with Kostunica. In my opinion he should agree on that annex because he and Kostunica and of course Jeremic were great team and could make a great job. Pity. What we need in this moment is unified stand, unified Serbia but Tadic decided to break the chain and I am sure the EU is very happy for this as they were counting on this to happen. It is much easier now for the EU to impose its policy when they have one weak link in the chain. Once again, pity, really pity.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Beni, don't you guys have a KLA memorial wall in Kosovo for the fallen KLA "freedom fightes" that never ever pulled the trigger toward SERB. Please Beni you guys glorify your KLA and I'm sure alot of those KLA had something to do with murdering Serb civilins and expeling over 200k of them out of Kosovo.

bganon

pre 16 godina

Yes Tadic made a silly error in saying there were no foreign bases in Serbia. However, it was not Tadic that signed Kumanovo was it? Nor was it Tadic's politics (SPS, SRS) that allowed the Americans into Kosovo in the first place.

There is no question that Tadic's campaign has been more negative - raising the specture of the 90's as what the radicals are offering.

On the other hand its easy to raise that spectre with the war-like Seselj still in charge of SRS. I agree with Maja Gojkovic that Nikolic should take control of SRS and continue modernising. Seselj is an electoral liability, quite aside from the war crimes allegations, SRS know this and have avoided mentioning him in their US run campaign

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

ZK and Bmrusila,

I get the feeling that Tadic actually wants to lose given everything he has said represents the old self defeating and self humiliating image that I thought he had realised Serbian electorate were sick off


Beni,

if you want to sling mud Ceku did kill and so did Thaci!!! Many under their guard murdered, raped and tortured Serbs, Roma and Albanians!

Beni

pre 16 godina

I think that you are right kate. Sesel never killed a person but, neither milosevic never killed a person. Both they are innocent. Even karahic never killed a person. probably even mladic never killed a person they all are innocent people. Kostunica even he armed with automatic gun during Kosova cleansing he never killed any albanian he is innosent too. The only guilty poeple were victims. If victims would be quite and keep their mouth shut because they dont have facts, no body would accuse serbians heroes for genocid.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

"MOSCOW -- Boris Tadić has told a Moscow daily that there will be no foreign military bases in Serbia while he is president."

I think he already missed the boat. There are a few foreign military bases in Serbia already, all within Kosmet. Does that mean he should no longer be president?

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Tadic’s statements are worse and worse each day. Now he is even competing with Seselj and demonises Seselj for no real reasons. The one should be really honest and say that Seselj committed no crime; his only crime is his intelligence, obviously. Mr Seselj is charged for the crimes committed against humanity and his only crime is verbal assault. He is for years in Hague and they cannot find anything against him regardless of how many quazi witnesses they brought to testify against him. There were even sociologists and some historian who tried to establish the Chetnic ideology without any sufficient knowledge who were the Chetnics and what was their role in WWII. They try to prove something none-existent against Seselj. And now Tadic is doing the same thing, I am very disappointed in Tadic and his way of running the presidental campaign. I will note vote this time.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

ZK and Bmrusila,

I get the feeling that Tadic actually wants to lose given everything he has said represents the old self defeating and self humiliating image that I thought he had realised Serbian electorate were sick off


Beni,

if you want to sling mud Ceku did kill and so did Thaci!!! Many under their guard murdered, raped and tortured Serbs, Roma and Albanians!

Delije

pre 16 godina

Beni, don't you guys have a KLA memorial wall in Kosovo for the fallen KLA "freedom fightes" that never ever pulled the trigger toward SERB. Please Beni you guys glorify your KLA and I'm sure alot of those KLA had something to do with murdering Serb civilins and expeling over 200k of them out of Kosovo.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

"MOSCOW -- Boris Tadić has told a Moscow daily that there will be no foreign military bases in Serbia while he is president."

I think he already missed the boat. There are a few foreign military bases in Serbia already, all within Kosmet. Does that mean he should no longer be president?

Beni

pre 16 godina

I think that you are right kate. Sesel never killed a person but, neither milosevic never killed a person. Both they are innocent. Even karahic never killed a person. probably even mladic never killed a person they all are innocent people. Kostunica even he armed with automatic gun during Kosova cleansing he never killed any albanian he is innosent too. The only guilty poeple were victims. If victims would be quite and keep their mouth shut because they dont have facts, no body would accuse serbians heroes for genocid.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Tadic’s statements are worse and worse each day. Now he is even competing with Seselj and demonises Seselj for no real reasons. The one should be really honest and say that Seselj committed no crime; his only crime is his intelligence, obviously. Mr Seselj is charged for the crimes committed against humanity and his only crime is verbal assault. He is for years in Hague and they cannot find anything against him regardless of how many quazi witnesses they brought to testify against him. There were even sociologists and some historian who tried to establish the Chetnic ideology without any sufficient knowledge who were the Chetnics and what was their role in WWII. They try to prove something none-existent against Seselj. And now Tadic is doing the same thing, I am very disappointed in Tadic and his way of running the presidental campaign. I will note vote this time.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Princip UK,

I am not really sure does Tadic really want to lose this game but his behaviour is very strange lately. He has never led such campaign before, therefore I am negatively surprised. I would say he is in panic. The reason he did not want to sign the annex proposed by Kostunica is because he was often accused by the voters for being very cooperative with Kostunica. In my opinion he should agree on that annex because he and Kostunica and of course Jeremic were great team and could make a great job. Pity. What we need in this moment is unified stand, unified Serbia but Tadic decided to break the chain and I am sure the EU is very happy for this as they were counting on this to happen. It is much easier now for the EU to impose its policy when they have one weak link in the chain. Once again, pity, really pity.

DJ MeHighLow

pre 16 godina

"and as long as I am president, there will be no foreign military bases on our territory"... umm ever heard of Camp Bonsteel? its the US/NATO millitry foothold in the Balkans. Conveniently forgot about that one huh, Mr. Tadic?

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Azir,

I was there during 90's. Your glorification for the murderers and brutal criminals is amazing. Murderers and rapsits are freedom fighters in your Albanian eyes, great.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Princip and bmrusila

Tadic is going for the swing voters. Those that care less about Kosovo and more about the EU. They seem to be the younger generation so there may be 4% or 5% in it for him.

I don't think he is acting strange but rather following instructions from the NGOs (US/UK/DE) who are number crunching at the moment to see whether they can swing it his way.

I generally don't have any political preferences in Serbia but from what I have read, Tadic went a bit overboard. Nikolic on the other hand, seems to address Serbia's interests a lot more solidly.

Matthew

pre 16 godina

I like Tadic, but I feel strongly he is very wrong here. Serbia should certainly invite the Russians to station themselves in the North of Kosovo and around our Churches while it’s still a UN mission. The Russians respect Serbia too much to pull any funny stuff. Even Stalin knew better than to do to us what he did to the rest of Eastern Europe. I trust Putin to ensure a repeat of 2004 doesn’t happen far more than I do the EU.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Bmrusila and ZK,

I did have an ambivalence regarding Tadic - had doubts but gave benefit of the doubt. Overall, I respected the pairing of Tadic and Kostunica - they worked well - Tadic moderating Kostunica while Kostunica pushed on Tadic in the right direction and efffectivly confusing the US and "few" EU.

However, all that Tadic has stated and in the way he has run this negative campaign really does suggest that he does not want to win. Either he has no "balls" to face up to the EU and never had intended to uphold the most basic requirement that any self respecting President of a state should i.e its Sovereignity or he just totally fails to comprehend the way the US and "few" EU duplicitously work as exemplified in messages stated through their mass media that they will act illegally even if Tadic wins but to be generous to him will delay this illegality by a week - how generous they are!!!
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3097701,00.html
http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKL3040768720080130
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-01-30-voa30.cfm

Either way Tadic has lost a great deal of respect amongst the electorate and clearly is no longer deserving of being President of the Republic of Serbia given his inaction to fully comprehend and respect the wish of the Majority i.e. their desire to have strong and self respecting President who believes in a Sovereign Serbia and clearly and unequivocally stands for - All of Serbia in the EU or not at all!

Personally I am not swayed by the negative spin put across regarding a Nikolic win - lets put it into perspective the Presidency is although symbolic mainly ceremonial. Beyond that the EU is not unified and would not block and isolate Serbia - Serbia is after all in Europe and the "few" EU would only shame themselves given they are the ones acting illegall. Beyond which the EU has more pressing economic concerns!!!

peggy

pre 16 godina

So Tadc tells Russia "Thanks for all your help, but now go away and don't expect a partnership from me".

Does he want a partnership the the US who only want to rob Serbia of it's territory?

The US already controls part of his country. Where has he been all these years?

It's time to send this guy off with a gold watch.

azir

pre 16 godina

Princip you claim Kosova's PM Thaci and General Ceku allegedly commited "murder, rape and torture, among other things. Where you there when this allegedly happened? And if you were how is it possible for you to have survived this fantasy of yours?? Kosova's freedom fighters were on their land defending their own families and homes from Serb ethnic cleansing campaign that even your beloved Tadic acknowledges was senseless. Why do you think he never wants to return to the nineties, because he's admiting responsibility from his country's agression.Be a man and accept reality and responsibilty for your failures.Tadic does,why not you?

JohnBoy

pre 16 godina

This freudian statement proves that Tadic has already surrendered Kosovo in his mind. He just refuses to admit it in public. When he loses his job, he should immigrate to America to be a politician. He already has the necessary skill.

azir

pre 16 godina

Delije- you allege from Kosova there were 200,000 Serbs expelled.Minorities in Kosova never exceeded 10% and of that only half were Serbs.So if you do your calculation right, out of total population of 2 million Kosovars there are 200,000 non-Albanians. From the figure half are ethnic Serbs which would give you only 100,000. How can you resonable claim over 200,000 Serbs expelled when Serb communities still exist and you never had that amount from the start.You can't claim 200,000 exist and 200,000 were expelled and so for and so on.Is 200,000 your favorite number???

massimo

pre 16 godina

Anton wrote: "The census information is quite explicit. From the 1913 conference the approximate percentages were 55% Albanian extraction, 40% Serbian and 5% others. Just prior to WWII the split was approx 65% Albanian, 30% Serbian, 5% others. Now, following the ethnic cleansing, there are 90% Albanians.".
Dear Anton, you should know very well that the % increasing of Albanian population is due to demography. In the nineties the Albanian population was already the 90%, approximately, of Kosovo's people.
When you say that "there are 220,000 refugees still waiting to be repatriated into Kosovo", you should know that many of them are Kosovars of Albanian population.
Thank God that we worked for UNDP and UNCHR in Kosovo!!! Just to show why that organisations worked badly in 1999!
Bad try is your one.
And bear in mind that nor I am Albanian neither Serbian.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Azir,


The world is at your side, not because they know you were the "victims", they know that victim story is nothing but fabrication from the White House and the main scenario was written by Richard Holbrook and his puppet chief for Kosovo verification mission (OSCE) William Walker. Through Albanian lobby, I dare to say youpaid dearly for all those fabrications and you will continue to pay in the future. Of course the world is prone to believe media without using a bit of brains and judge for itself. As for your comment on Albanian outlook described as a "good one", I say no comment, staying reserved.

Then you said NATO and UCK united were bombing Serbia. I would say that that was done only by NATO since I doubt that UCK criminals have capacity for such demanding skill to handle the plane. They are good for rifles but not for planes.
Another fabrication is 10 000 murdered and 3 000 missing. Each day new numbers. Let me tell you, as long as you play with numbers, and speak about some none-existent huge number, I personally cannot take you seriously not to mention to have some sympathy for the victims. You are the one that misuses tragedy of the real victims and by enlarging the number you are actually jibing to the face of the victims. The real number of the murdered and missing is not in Vikipedia but in international organisations dealing with the war victims.


All the real victims may rest in peace and hope you are not going to use them any longer for propaganda peurposes.

Uour UCK leaders and nowadays ANA leaders should be called by right name-criminals that you awarded in elections with high positions.

azir

pre 16 godina

Bmrusila,according to you the all powerfull Albanian lobby has somehow magicaly convinced the entire world's media and even the White House to play along with our fabrication.I suppose that must of cost us a fortune.Let me guess, those 1 million refugees illegaly deported from Kosova in 1999 into surrounding countries were really paid actors or even, actually, ethnic Serbs who were only speaking Albanian because the rich Albanian lobbyist paid them to. And Richard Holbrook is, in fact,an ethnic Albanian according to Serbia intelligence reports??You also amuse us with your worrying that we had an expensive campaign to fool the world, did you forget there are rich "criminals".You also threaten us with "you will pay dearly for all those fabrications and you will continue to pay in the future".Judging from all the mass graves containing Kosovar civilians,who I'm sure you think are only acting dead, haven't we suffered enough already?Obviously the Serbs don't think so.Either you're exagerrating our political efforts and/or insulting the world's intelligence.If UCK were "criminals" then how could we so cleaverly cause NATO to come to our defense and go into combat for the first time in their entire history? Let me see it from your view, we paid them to, right? You insult UCK "capacity" to fly planes, how do you know there weren't Albanian-American pilots joining other NATO forces in liberating Kosova? Don't you know during the 78 days of limited bombing all the particapants were honory UCK members assisting us in our efforts to bring freedom ,democracy from our friendly Serb neighbors from the north.If we were the criminals defending Kosovar civilians then why were the Serb forces attacked? Could it be that the Serbs were the aggressors??,however outrageous it might sound to you. As for the figures I used, they were CIA estimates and Kosovar family victim accounts.Are you telling me to not trust the victims but instead rely on the perpetrators?The CIA estimates 10,000 Kosovar victims of Serb aggression. The 3000 kidnapped to Serbia during Serb withdrawal abviously weren't taken on a tour of Belgrade sights. The FBI located 3 Albanian-Americans buried in a mass grave behind the Serbian police academy, I suppose that was also an Albanian sponsored fabrication.We don't need your sympathy or any other Serbs.I'm nor enlarging figures just relay government and victims estimates.You on the other hand are so brain-washed with Tanjug mis information that you are hopelessly missing the light.As for you any Kosovar freedom fighter is a criminal, then what do you call yourself? Or is the entire world criminals? And the innocent Serbs were involved in 4 lost wars a coincidence?I know, I know it was really the Albanians fault. Sunday is you opportunity to change course.Save your energy by supporting democratic leaders instead of the Radical party haters.

bganon

pre 16 godina

Yes Tadic made a silly error in saying there were no foreign bases in Serbia. However, it was not Tadic that signed Kumanovo was it? Nor was it Tadic's politics (SPS, SRS) that allowed the Americans into Kosovo in the first place.

There is no question that Tadic's campaign has been more negative - raising the specture of the 90's as what the radicals are offering.

On the other hand its easy to raise that spectre with the war-like Seselj still in charge of SRS. I agree with Maja Gojkovic that Nikolic should take control of SRS and continue modernising. Seselj is an electoral liability, quite aside from the war crimes allegations, SRS know this and have avoided mentioning him in their US run campaign

azir

pre 16 godina

Tadic is correct in stating the obvious and as President of Serbia he realizes Kosova's foreign bases are also foreign to Serbia.He accepts and understands the differences between the too bordering countries.

Anton

pre 16 godina

azir,

You say, "Minorities in Kosova never exceeded 10%". Check your history books. The census infomration is quite explicit. From the 1913 conference the approximate percentages were 55% Albanian extraction, 40% Serbian and 5% others. Just prior to WWII the split was approx 65% Albanian, 30% Serbian, 5% others. Now, following the ethnic cleansing, there are 90% Albanians.

According to UNDP and UNHCR (organisations that I have worked with IN KOSOVO) there are approximately 220,000 refugees still waiting to be repatriated into KiM. Of this number there are approx 200,000 Serbs. If you also include approx 100,000 Serbs STILL IN KiM, your figures about Albanian majority are pure fantasy.

I think we can therefore ignore your other 'facts' as well. Nice try, but doesn't fool anyone.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

TO MASSIMO:

"When you say that "there are 220,000 refugees still waiting to be repatriated into Kosovo", you should know that many of them are Kosovars of Albanian population.
Thank God that we worked for UNDP and UNCHR in Kosovo!!! Just to show why that organisations worked badly in 1999!
Bad try is your one.
And bear in mind that nor I am Albanian neither Serbian.
(massimo, 1 February 2008 16:46) "

If you are not albanian nor serbian then how do YOU exaclty know so much about this region - more than people who actually live/lived there? You really amaze massimo me with the false information in your post. It really amazes me when some outsider tries to give lessons to people who are acutally from there.

How can say the majority of those refugees are albanians? You gotta be kidding me right? So albanians kicked out their own people? Well it's gotta be the few refugees that collaborated with the "evil serbs" - and uck didn't get the chance to liquidate them!

Anton

pre 16 godina

UNHCR advised in their summary report in January 2006 that there were 246,00 IDP's in Serbia as a consequence of the civil war in KiM. Since then less than 25,000 have returned. Of this number they report that over 200,000 are Serbs.

You may not like the truth, but the truth is quite simple. Check out their reports.

Anton

pre 16 godina

missimo: from UNHCR briefing 16 June 2006

"There are still more than 200,000 refugees and persons of concern to UNHCR from Kosovo in western European and other countries, with an equal number of IDPs in Serbia and some 18,000 persons of concern in neighbouring Montenegro"

azir

pre 16 godina

bmrusila, you tell us you were in fact there during the 90's. Did you participate in Serbia senseless wars of aggression? If not, is that so un-serb-like? If so, then the Hague is probably looking for you.If the Kosovars were "murderers rapist and etc" then why is it that everyone is on our side? Can't be because of our good looks, alone..Talk of glorification, wasn't the Radical party's 40% popular support an indication of your future's direction? Wasn't NATO and UCK united in bombing some sense into the Serbs that made you abandon your Greater Serbia policy of aggression? And you're still confused as to who the real criminals are? We still have over 10,000 murdered Kosovars and over 3,000 kidnapped to Serbia. All the Serbian perpetrators have yet to face justice.Does that bother you?Why do you think the Hague was established for?

gjipeja

pre 16 godina

I try to follow the developments and I really think that serbia has serious problems as a state nation or entity. The trick of the politicans is to hide all this discontents and problems dealing with Kosovo case. If serbia elite and lidership would have been speaking 15% less for the "protection of the cradle of Serbia" it would have saved a lot of energies that affect directly the serbian population. All the leaders have a detailed strategy of Kosovo status for the next 20 years but I have not hear about a highlevel strategy in economy, social issues, culture etc etc. What they and all of us are doing in the last 9 or 19 years is waisting all the time and inteligence in one issue... one single issue that is sucking all the resources. Tadic and very few other characters in the serbian elite are trying to make this happen: a change in the priorities of the next future, but the consequence is angry people who have a miserable life but still pray god to not loose Kosovo. This is demagogy ... live good and be free ...

Beni

pre 16 godina

I think that you are right kate. Sesel never killed a person but, neither milosevic never killed a person. Both they are innocent. Even karahic never killed a person. probably even mladic never killed a person they all are innocent people. Kostunica even he armed with automatic gun during Kosova cleansing he never killed any albanian he is innosent too. The only guilty poeple were victims. If victims would be quite and keep their mouth shut because they dont have facts, no body would accuse serbians heroes for genocid.

bganon

pre 16 godina

Yes Tadic made a silly error in saying there were no foreign bases in Serbia. However, it was not Tadic that signed Kumanovo was it? Nor was it Tadic's politics (SPS, SRS) that allowed the Americans into Kosovo in the first place.

There is no question that Tadic's campaign has been more negative - raising the specture of the 90's as what the radicals are offering.

On the other hand its easy to raise that spectre with the war-like Seselj still in charge of SRS. I agree with Maja Gojkovic that Nikolic should take control of SRS and continue modernising. Seselj is an electoral liability, quite aside from the war crimes allegations, SRS know this and have avoided mentioning him in their US run campaign

azir

pre 16 godina

bmrusila, you tell us you were in fact there during the 90's. Did you participate in Serbia senseless wars of aggression? If not, is that so un-serb-like? If so, then the Hague is probably looking for you.If the Kosovars were "murderers rapist and etc" then why is it that everyone is on our side? Can't be because of our good looks, alone..Talk of glorification, wasn't the Radical party's 40% popular support an indication of your future's direction? Wasn't NATO and UCK united in bombing some sense into the Serbs that made you abandon your Greater Serbia policy of aggression? And you're still confused as to who the real criminals are? We still have over 10,000 murdered Kosovars and over 3,000 kidnapped to Serbia. All the Serbian perpetrators have yet to face justice.Does that bother you?Why do you think the Hague was established for?

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

"MOSCOW -- Boris Tadić has told a Moscow daily that there will be no foreign military bases in Serbia while he is president."

I think he already missed the boat. There are a few foreign military bases in Serbia already, all within Kosmet. Does that mean he should no longer be president?

azir

pre 16 godina

Tadic is correct in stating the obvious and as President of Serbia he realizes Kosova's foreign bases are also foreign to Serbia.He accepts and understands the differences between the too bordering countries.

azir

pre 16 godina

Delije- you allege from Kosova there were 200,000 Serbs expelled.Minorities in Kosova never exceeded 10% and of that only half were Serbs.So if you do your calculation right, out of total population of 2 million Kosovars there are 200,000 non-Albanians. From the figure half are ethnic Serbs which would give you only 100,000. How can you resonable claim over 200,000 Serbs expelled when Serb communities still exist and you never had that amount from the start.You can't claim 200,000 exist and 200,000 were expelled and so for and so on.Is 200,000 your favorite number???

azir

pre 16 godina

Princip you claim Kosova's PM Thaci and General Ceku allegedly commited "murder, rape and torture, among other things. Where you there when this allegedly happened? And if you were how is it possible for you to have survived this fantasy of yours?? Kosova's freedom fighters were on their land defending their own families and homes from Serb ethnic cleansing campaign that even your beloved Tadic acknowledges was senseless. Why do you think he never wants to return to the nineties, because he's admiting responsibility from his country's agression.Be a man and accept reality and responsibilty for your failures.Tadic does,why not you?

Anton

pre 16 godina

azir,

You say, "Minorities in Kosova never exceeded 10%". Check your history books. The census infomration is quite explicit. From the 1913 conference the approximate percentages were 55% Albanian extraction, 40% Serbian and 5% others. Just prior to WWII the split was approx 65% Albanian, 30% Serbian, 5% others. Now, following the ethnic cleansing, there are 90% Albanians.

According to UNDP and UNHCR (organisations that I have worked with IN KOSOVO) there are approximately 220,000 refugees still waiting to be repatriated into KiM. Of this number there are approx 200,000 Serbs. If you also include approx 100,000 Serbs STILL IN KiM, your figures about Albanian majority are pure fantasy.

I think we can therefore ignore your other 'facts' as well. Nice try, but doesn't fool anyone.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

ZK and Bmrusila,

I get the feeling that Tadic actually wants to lose given everything he has said represents the old self defeating and self humiliating image that I thought he had realised Serbian electorate were sick off


Beni,

if you want to sling mud Ceku did kill and so did Thaci!!! Many under their guard murdered, raped and tortured Serbs, Roma and Albanians!

massimo

pre 16 godina

Anton wrote: "The census information is quite explicit. From the 1913 conference the approximate percentages were 55% Albanian extraction, 40% Serbian and 5% others. Just prior to WWII the split was approx 65% Albanian, 30% Serbian, 5% others. Now, following the ethnic cleansing, there are 90% Albanians.".
Dear Anton, you should know very well that the % increasing of Albanian population is due to demography. In the nineties the Albanian population was already the 90%, approximately, of Kosovo's people.
When you say that "there are 220,000 refugees still waiting to be repatriated into Kosovo", you should know that many of them are Kosovars of Albanian population.
Thank God that we worked for UNDP and UNCHR in Kosovo!!! Just to show why that organisations worked badly in 1999!
Bad try is your one.
And bear in mind that nor I am Albanian neither Serbian.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Tadic’s statements are worse and worse each day. Now he is even competing with Seselj and demonises Seselj for no real reasons. The one should be really honest and say that Seselj committed no crime; his only crime is his intelligence, obviously. Mr Seselj is charged for the crimes committed against humanity and his only crime is verbal assault. He is for years in Hague and they cannot find anything against him regardless of how many quazi witnesses they brought to testify against him. There were even sociologists and some historian who tried to establish the Chetnic ideology without any sufficient knowledge who were the Chetnics and what was their role in WWII. They try to prove something none-existent against Seselj. And now Tadic is doing the same thing, I am very disappointed in Tadic and his way of running the presidental campaign. I will note vote this time.

gjipeja

pre 16 godina

I try to follow the developments and I really think that serbia has serious problems as a state nation or entity. The trick of the politicans is to hide all this discontents and problems dealing with Kosovo case. If serbia elite and lidership would have been speaking 15% less for the "protection of the cradle of Serbia" it would have saved a lot of energies that affect directly the serbian population. All the leaders have a detailed strategy of Kosovo status for the next 20 years but I have not hear about a highlevel strategy in economy, social issues, culture etc etc. What they and all of us are doing in the last 9 or 19 years is waisting all the time and inteligence in one issue... one single issue that is sucking all the resources. Tadic and very few other characters in the serbian elite are trying to make this happen: a change in the priorities of the next future, but the consequence is angry people who have a miserable life but still pray god to not loose Kosovo. This is demagogy ... live good and be free ...

Delije

pre 16 godina

Beni, don't you guys have a KLA memorial wall in Kosovo for the fallen KLA "freedom fightes" that never ever pulled the trigger toward SERB. Please Beni you guys glorify your KLA and I'm sure alot of those KLA had something to do with murdering Serb civilins and expeling over 200k of them out of Kosovo.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Princip UK,

I am not really sure does Tadic really want to lose this game but his behaviour is very strange lately. He has never led such campaign before, therefore I am negatively surprised. I would say he is in panic. The reason he did not want to sign the annex proposed by Kostunica is because he was often accused by the voters for being very cooperative with Kostunica. In my opinion he should agree on that annex because he and Kostunica and of course Jeremic were great team and could make a great job. Pity. What we need in this moment is unified stand, unified Serbia but Tadic decided to break the chain and I am sure the EU is very happy for this as they were counting on this to happen. It is much easier now for the EU to impose its policy when they have one weak link in the chain. Once again, pity, really pity.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Princip and bmrusila

Tadic is going for the swing voters. Those that care less about Kosovo and more about the EU. They seem to be the younger generation so there may be 4% or 5% in it for him.

I don't think he is acting strange but rather following instructions from the NGOs (US/UK/DE) who are number crunching at the moment to see whether they can swing it his way.

I generally don't have any political preferences in Serbia but from what I have read, Tadic went a bit overboard. Nikolic on the other hand, seems to address Serbia's interests a lot more solidly.

DJ MeHighLow

pre 16 godina

"and as long as I am president, there will be no foreign military bases on our territory"... umm ever heard of Camp Bonsteel? its the US/NATO millitry foothold in the Balkans. Conveniently forgot about that one huh, Mr. Tadic?

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Bmrusila and ZK,

I did have an ambivalence regarding Tadic - had doubts but gave benefit of the doubt. Overall, I respected the pairing of Tadic and Kostunica - they worked well - Tadic moderating Kostunica while Kostunica pushed on Tadic in the right direction and efffectivly confusing the US and "few" EU.

However, all that Tadic has stated and in the way he has run this negative campaign really does suggest that he does not want to win. Either he has no "balls" to face up to the EU and never had intended to uphold the most basic requirement that any self respecting President of a state should i.e its Sovereignity or he just totally fails to comprehend the way the US and "few" EU duplicitously work as exemplified in messages stated through their mass media that they will act illegally even if Tadic wins but to be generous to him will delay this illegality by a week - how generous they are!!!
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3097701,00.html
http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKL3040768720080130
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-01-30-voa30.cfm

Either way Tadic has lost a great deal of respect amongst the electorate and clearly is no longer deserving of being President of the Republic of Serbia given his inaction to fully comprehend and respect the wish of the Majority i.e. their desire to have strong and self respecting President who believes in a Sovereign Serbia and clearly and unequivocally stands for - All of Serbia in the EU or not at all!

Personally I am not swayed by the negative spin put across regarding a Nikolic win - lets put it into perspective the Presidency is although symbolic mainly ceremonial. Beyond that the EU is not unified and would not block and isolate Serbia - Serbia is after all in Europe and the "few" EU would only shame themselves given they are the ones acting illegall. Beyond which the EU has more pressing economic concerns!!!

Matthew

pre 16 godina

I like Tadic, but I feel strongly he is very wrong here. Serbia should certainly invite the Russians to station themselves in the North of Kosovo and around our Churches while it’s still a UN mission. The Russians respect Serbia too much to pull any funny stuff. Even Stalin knew better than to do to us what he did to the rest of Eastern Europe. I trust Putin to ensure a repeat of 2004 doesn’t happen far more than I do the EU.

JohnBoy

pre 16 godina

This freudian statement proves that Tadic has already surrendered Kosovo in his mind. He just refuses to admit it in public. When he loses his job, he should immigrate to America to be a politician. He already has the necessary skill.

peggy

pre 16 godina

So Tadc tells Russia "Thanks for all your help, but now go away and don't expect a partnership from me".

Does he want a partnership the the US who only want to rob Serbia of it's territory?

The US already controls part of his country. Where has he been all these years?

It's time to send this guy off with a gold watch.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Azir,

I was there during 90's. Your glorification for the murderers and brutal criminals is amazing. Murderers and rapsits are freedom fighters in your Albanian eyes, great.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Azir,


The world is at your side, not because they know you were the "victims", they know that victim story is nothing but fabrication from the White House and the main scenario was written by Richard Holbrook and his puppet chief for Kosovo verification mission (OSCE) William Walker. Through Albanian lobby, I dare to say youpaid dearly for all those fabrications and you will continue to pay in the future. Of course the world is prone to believe media without using a bit of brains and judge for itself. As for your comment on Albanian outlook described as a "good one", I say no comment, staying reserved.

Then you said NATO and UCK united were bombing Serbia. I would say that that was done only by NATO since I doubt that UCK criminals have capacity for such demanding skill to handle the plane. They are good for rifles but not for planes.
Another fabrication is 10 000 murdered and 3 000 missing. Each day new numbers. Let me tell you, as long as you play with numbers, and speak about some none-existent huge number, I personally cannot take you seriously not to mention to have some sympathy for the victims. You are the one that misuses tragedy of the real victims and by enlarging the number you are actually jibing to the face of the victims. The real number of the murdered and missing is not in Vikipedia but in international organisations dealing with the war victims.


All the real victims may rest in peace and hope you are not going to use them any longer for propaganda peurposes.

Uour UCK leaders and nowadays ANA leaders should be called by right name-criminals that you awarded in elections with high positions.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

TO MASSIMO:

"When you say that "there are 220,000 refugees still waiting to be repatriated into Kosovo", you should know that many of them are Kosovars of Albanian population.
Thank God that we worked for UNDP and UNCHR in Kosovo!!! Just to show why that organisations worked badly in 1999!
Bad try is your one.
And bear in mind that nor I am Albanian neither Serbian.
(massimo, 1 February 2008 16:46) "

If you are not albanian nor serbian then how do YOU exaclty know so much about this region - more than people who actually live/lived there? You really amaze massimo me with the false information in your post. It really amazes me when some outsider tries to give lessons to people who are acutally from there.

How can say the majority of those refugees are albanians? You gotta be kidding me right? So albanians kicked out their own people? Well it's gotta be the few refugees that collaborated with the "evil serbs" - and uck didn't get the chance to liquidate them!

Anton

pre 16 godina

UNHCR advised in their summary report in January 2006 that there were 246,00 IDP's in Serbia as a consequence of the civil war in KiM. Since then less than 25,000 have returned. Of this number they report that over 200,000 are Serbs.

You may not like the truth, but the truth is quite simple. Check out their reports.

Anton

pre 16 godina

missimo: from UNHCR briefing 16 June 2006

"There are still more than 200,000 refugees and persons of concern to UNHCR from Kosovo in western European and other countries, with an equal number of IDPs in Serbia and some 18,000 persons of concern in neighbouring Montenegro"

azir

pre 16 godina

Bmrusila,according to you the all powerfull Albanian lobby has somehow magicaly convinced the entire world's media and even the White House to play along with our fabrication.I suppose that must of cost us a fortune.Let me guess, those 1 million refugees illegaly deported from Kosova in 1999 into surrounding countries were really paid actors or even, actually, ethnic Serbs who were only speaking Albanian because the rich Albanian lobbyist paid them to. And Richard Holbrook is, in fact,an ethnic Albanian according to Serbia intelligence reports??You also amuse us with your worrying that we had an expensive campaign to fool the world, did you forget there are rich "criminals".You also threaten us with "you will pay dearly for all those fabrications and you will continue to pay in the future".Judging from all the mass graves containing Kosovar civilians,who I'm sure you think are only acting dead, haven't we suffered enough already?Obviously the Serbs don't think so.Either you're exagerrating our political efforts and/or insulting the world's intelligence.If UCK were "criminals" then how could we so cleaverly cause NATO to come to our defense and go into combat for the first time in their entire history? Let me see it from your view, we paid them to, right? You insult UCK "capacity" to fly planes, how do you know there weren't Albanian-American pilots joining other NATO forces in liberating Kosova? Don't you know during the 78 days of limited bombing all the particapants were honory UCK members assisting us in our efforts to bring freedom ,democracy from our friendly Serb neighbors from the north.If we were the criminals defending Kosovar civilians then why were the Serb forces attacked? Could it be that the Serbs were the aggressors??,however outrageous it might sound to you. As for the figures I used, they were CIA estimates and Kosovar family victim accounts.Are you telling me to not trust the victims but instead rely on the perpetrators?The CIA estimates 10,000 Kosovar victims of Serb aggression. The 3000 kidnapped to Serbia during Serb withdrawal abviously weren't taken on a tour of Belgrade sights. The FBI located 3 Albanian-Americans buried in a mass grave behind the Serbian police academy, I suppose that was also an Albanian sponsored fabrication.We don't need your sympathy or any other Serbs.I'm nor enlarging figures just relay government and victims estimates.You on the other hand are so brain-washed with Tanjug mis information that you are hopelessly missing the light.As for you any Kosovar freedom fighter is a criminal, then what do you call yourself? Or is the entire world criminals? And the innocent Serbs were involved in 4 lost wars a coincidence?I know, I know it was really the Albanians fault. Sunday is you opportunity to change course.Save your energy by supporting democratic leaders instead of the Radical party haters.