Do not listen to this man
In Montenegro, we will be always with Serbs do noy worry about this marginal gay He will finish in Italy but on holiday, in jail
Congratulations, Montenegro. Well done for harming your relations with the nation that is not only your brother but is also a vital economic partner whom you are clearly dependant on. I thought you may have had some sense, but clearly you don't. Perhaps you think it will grant you access to the EU? In your dreams...
During the Serb-lead Yugoslavia the Serbs held back the other republics from moving forward. We have lost over 50 years of advancement because of the serbs. Montenegro has finally opened its eyes and realised that by being close to serbia only pulls you back into the past with no future and no prosperity. Those balkan countries who have broken from Serbia are finally moving forward.
Mark, A huge influx of Albanians has made sure that Orthodox Montenegrians who were the majority has reversed that. Given the high birth rate of the Albanians will ensure they are a minority.
Then we will see another push for independence by the Albanians. Just like the Serbs of Kosovo, Orthodox Montenegrians are going to pay the price.
(peggy, 29 January 2008 21:55)
peggy,
you couldn't be more wrong and i'll be more then happy to put your worrisome mind to ease.
first of all, the albanian population has declined in montenegro since the late 1960's. albanian populated lands in montenegro are all along the border w/albania. from ulqin, tuz, malesia and east to the border w/kosove. they have always been there but due to no opportunity for work, discrimination and poverty, many migrated to the US. i know this because my parents were among those that left the former yugoslavia for those very reasons.
Mark, A huge influx of Albanians has made sure that Orthodox Montenegrians who were the majority has reversed that. Given the high birth rate of the Albanians will ensure they are a minority.
Then we will see another push for independence by the Albanians. Just like the Serbs of Kosovo, Orthodox Montenegrians are going to pay the price.
I am thinking about this for days.
Why not split Kosovo? If it is 90% Albanian then it is 10% Serbian.
.... That would be the only civilized way I think.
I would appreciate comments from both sides.
(ds, 29 January 2008 17:54)
I did wrote a long, detailed commect about Balkan resolution each was beyond one country solution. My comment was real and against artificial solutions and against artificial countries. Unfortunately B92 censured it because was too radical for B92 taste. Although there was no insult whatsoever in my comment, the tough decission involved make B92 to afraid to publish it.
I am thinking about this for days.
Why not split Kosovo? If it is 90% Albanian then it is 10% Serbian.
I think it would be reasonable to have Serbian part of Kosovo staying with Serbia and rest independent.
Our two ethnical goops do not share much. Last 60 years showed that all SFRY investments in Kosovo did not result in economic prosperity or any other. Why would we, Serbs hope that we can resolve this issue by ourselves? Do we have means to do that? Even in Kosovo stays in Serbia, do we know how to resolve this trouble and how much money, time and efforts should we spend before we get to ask the same question?
To be clear, I am not advocating Albanians independence for the sake of Albanian people living there but for our own. And for the same reason I would think that Albanians would see their best interest in not living with Serbs. I am sure they would be more focused with their own problems if they have no minorities to think about.
So why splitting is not taken into account? Would not that be the best way for Albanians to get rid of Serbs and for Serbs to get rid of Albanians. That would be the only civilized way I think.
I would appreciate comments from both sides.
Very interesting thing you wrote. You definately got a point there, do you say that Bosnia only have 2 large etnicities then? I bet the musl..ms, sorry converted serbs and croats love your point of view!
But I agree with you, bosnias largest religious group of people aren't an own ethnicity, they are just converted serbs and croats !
Mr Djukanovic, you have done enough damage for one lifetime.
Kindly step aside now. Many Orthodox Montenegrains think very little of you. They are becoming a minority in their own country and thanks to your policies of the past many will not know their own history.
i'm no fan of milo's gov't and the fact that he will recognize kosove is not at all surprising since the vast majority of europe is set to do the same thing. he wants what every other nation in the balkans want (perhaps not serbia) and that's eventual membership into the EU. not to mention that they have approx. 8% of their population that are albanian. when montenegro voted to secede from serbia, it was done by a narrow margin and that margin of victory was compliments of the albanian vote. not that they're in love w/milo but it came down to selecting the lesser of the two evils.
Kastrioti,
will you be such strong supporters of Montenegro that you will try to get autonomy and later independence there also or are you completely satisfied with seeing yourself as Montenegrin citizens?
I wonder if Tsar Milo will also recognize albanian independence from Makedonia and Montenegro when they proclaim that as a next step for "etnicly Albania"?
After all, from Ulcinj to Petrovac is defacto albanian today, just look at the numbers. Herceg Novi is 80 % serbian, Boka Kotorska is over 50% croatian. That leaves from Budva to Petrovac "real" Montenegrin, but considering the large numbers of russians that have bought up most of the beach front properties in the latest years it will be more Russian than Montenegrin in a few years.
Maybe albanians in Kosovo will reward this kind gesture of Tsar Milo with recognizing Sandzak independence from Montenegro also?
Only Serbs talk of "Muslims" as minorities. Muslim is a person of the faith Islam...not an ethnicity. Why Serbs are allowed to spew this is just amusing.
Kosovo belongs to Serbia and Djukanovic is an outsider who can only make a comment, not a final decision regarding Serbia's sovereign territory because he has given up that privilege.
I can see you have problems with my comments since you selected me and called my name. I don't know what make you so sure that Nikolic is my type politican? If you red my comments you could easily see that he is not my favourate one. Any way, Nikolic or not I just don't believe any longer in any tales and intimidation. And to you all I wish to enjoy that independence in Serbian territory, independence under 1244 resolution in force and we will see in few years what happens. One thing you can be sure, Serbs were bleeding through centuries for Kosovo and they will bleed again.Just don't know where you will go then? Who would say that things are going to change that much in 8 years, and can you imagine how they will change in the next 8 years. The world changes and thanks God for that.
Every single time Milo opened his mouth another one of his croonies got jail sentence.If he loved albanians so much why is he hunting them like bad plague.
Talk is cheap,and he is the one that give $ 200.000 for building one of the biggest Serbian monasteries in Montenegro.
I am guessing that most of the above comments were made before the denial. At the end of the day Đukanović isn't the president or Prime Minister anymore so has no authority to make the origianlly reported statements. Or he is still a back seat driver and the current Pres and PM are puppets!
It's happening!
It's about time.
Germany said it will recognize Kosovo as independent country too, so did Macedonia and Bulgaria.
To BMRUSILA: Good luck with your new president Nikolic, hope you have a great time in "stone age" what is most likely to happen if Nikolic win the election in Serbia.
God, I can't believe that Serbs still didn't learn what will happen to them if they keep following their radical nationalist leaders.
Still no declaration of independence. Only threats to do so. Why? Because the situation is stable now. If violence does break out, if the northern part declares independence, there is no interest in the EU or the USA to go to war. The Serbs are interested in this, and have the greater motivation.
As for Montnegro, they need to get a grip. If they want to follow EU policy, fine. This does not mean following German policy.
Well this really isn't much of a surprise when one thinks about it. Djukanovic spearhearded CG's independence movement to ingratiate himself within Europe's circle, so it would be hypocritical for him to deny independence to other movements.
Second, by recognizing Kosovo's independence, he establishes normal political relationships with it, thus establishing trade route and expansion of markets. Of course I have no illusions such economic prosperity will primarily go to line his pockets and the pockets of his close constituents, but business trumps politics.
By the way, who was the one a few days ago who said that Orthodox countries were against Kosovo's independence?
mospyt, I am not here to teach you history, but, what has to happen until you finally learn the truth about your own poeple...?
even if your "friends" from the US have declared the illyrian myth as what it is, a myth and nothing more...you still remain talking about yourself "knowing about your history"?
amazing!
you are of course free to ignore everything that doesn´t suit you - since you live on the territory of a democratic country named Serbia.
nevertheless, history doesn´t seem to be your strongest field...
What did u expect? that they wheren't going to recognise. They've been there & done it, that's why they aren't part of it anymore. Everybody is moving forward except Serbia.
Thankyou Crna Gora. Thank you for accepting the reality.
I do not understand how serbs can still be asking for Kosova when even Montenegro will accept Kosova's Independence.
If montenegrins could not live with serbs who have so many similarities, then how do you expect albanians to live under Serbia?
The ethnic Montenegrins are in an unenviable position, being a minority (about 42% I think) in their country. They would be trouble if one fine day the ethnic Serbs and Muslims were to shelve their differences and support each other's ethnocentric policies on a horse trading basis (ie. "I will vote for you on this issue if you will support me on that issue in return" )..... Montenegro can, for example, end up with a Muslim President and Serb Prime Minister etc, or pass laws granting excessive autonomy to the various ethnic dominated parts of the country, with the outvoted Montenegrins being left high and dry -- the country's ethnic composition make this a statistical future possibility.
Oh Mr Djukanovic, let us be the last coach in the train and you can hurry to be the first. The thing is that Tadic and Kostunica are great team but Tadic became blind in meantime and doesn’t see the benefits of the current policy. Tadic did not figured it out that only unity strengthen our position and that the EU wanted and planned the disunity between Kostunica and Tadic. I am disappointed in Tadic and do not trust him any longer. He seems to be the worst politician ever, just next to Cedomir Jovanovic. As for Mr Djukanovic, he just repeats the words of the EU officials. Of course Montenegro will do just as they have been told to do. I did not expect anything positive from Montenegro and that is truly sad. The time will tell us were we wrong to reject or to hurry to be in the EU. Any way, in my opinion the EU is just the organisation that Serbia should avoid as it has tendency to fail. Milo, Milo, good luck to you and Montenegro in the EU and let us just be isolated with Nikolic. However, I must say that I am no longer child to believe in this sort of intimidation.
Instead of bringing Montengrins closer to their Serb brothers he is doing the opposite how can this be positive and what is to be gained? Slightly more recognition from the west? A farse especially considering that most of Metohija was part of the Montengrin kingdom not so long ago and bears equal relevence to Montengrins as Serbs.
Amusment is provided in the form of Albanian posters here.
Serbia and Montenegro are like brother and sister, but yet Montenegro chose to live under its own roof. wake up Serbia and lsiten to your sister seperate country for your own good. If Montenegrians cannot live under same roof with Serb , which share same :religioun, culture, what makes you think that you can live with Albanians that have nothing in coming regarding the above-mentioned reasons.
Actually we don't need the likes of rumania, Cyprus, Greece abnd some other rouge states to recognize us but your lovely neighbors have more wight than anybody else.
One of the many things you cannot lecture Albanians on is their history. Djukanovic may or may not know it, but we Albanians know who we are. Your opinion of it is irrelevant.
This is a very bad move for Montenegro. Serbia will cut relations with countries which recognize Kosovo, and I doubt Montenegro can really afford that.
Djukanovic can recognize Kosovo 100 times over - his made up Church is not getting recognized by Serbia, or Russia or Constantinople or Alexandria and his country will wait a whole lot longer to get into EU.
Montenegro cannot offer anything to EU Italy, Greece or Spain can't, strategically, touristic or otherwise.
Djukanovic should keep that in mind.
It's happening!
It's about time.
Germany said it will recognize Kosovo as independent country too, so did Macedonia and Bulgaria.
To BMRUSILA: Good luck with your new president Nikolic, hope you have a great time in "stone age" what is most likely to happen if Nikolic win the election in Serbia.
God, I can't believe that Serbs still didn't learn what will happen to them if they keep following their radical nationalist leaders.
Serbia and Montenegro are like brother and sister, but yet Montenegro chose to live under its own roof. wake up Serbia and lsiten to your sister seperate country for your own good. If Montenegrians cannot live under same roof with Serb , which share same :religioun, culture, what makes you think that you can live with Albanians that have nothing in coming regarding the above-mentioned reasons.
Actually we don't need the likes of rumania, Cyprus, Greece abnd some other rouge states to recognize us but your lovely neighbors have more wight than anybody else.
Every single time Milo opened his mouth another one of his croonies got jail sentence.If he loved albanians so much why is he hunting them like bad plague.
Talk is cheap,and he is the one that give $ 200.000 for building one of the biggest Serbian monasteries in Montenegro.
mospyt, I am not here to teach you history, but, what has to happen until you finally learn the truth about your own poeple...?
even if your "friends" from the US have declared the illyrian myth as what it is, a myth and nothing more...you still remain talking about yourself "knowing about your history"?
amazing!
you are of course free to ignore everything that doesn´t suit you - since you live on the territory of a democratic country named Serbia.
nevertheless, history doesn´t seem to be your strongest field...
I can see you have problems with my comments since you selected me and called my name. I don't know what make you so sure that Nikolic is my type politican? If you red my comments you could easily see that he is not my favourate one. Any way, Nikolic or not I just don't believe any longer in any tales and intimidation. And to you all I wish to enjoy that independence in Serbian territory, independence under 1244 resolution in force and we will see in few years what happens. One thing you can be sure, Serbs were bleeding through centuries for Kosovo and they will bleed again.Just don't know where you will go then? Who would say that things are going to change that much in 8 years, and can you imagine how they will change in the next 8 years. The world changes and thanks God for that.
Kosovo belongs to Serbia and Djukanovic is an outsider who can only make a comment, not a final decision regarding Serbia's sovereign territory because he has given up that privilege.
I am guessing that most of the above comments were made before the denial. At the end of the day Đukanović isn't the president or Prime Minister anymore so has no authority to make the origianlly reported statements. Or he is still a back seat driver and the current Pres and PM are puppets!
Kastrioti,
will you be such strong supporters of Montenegro that you will try to get autonomy and later independence there also or are you completely satisfied with seeing yourself as Montenegrin citizens?
One of the many things you cannot lecture Albanians on is their history. Djukanovic may or may not know it, but we Albanians know who we are. Your opinion of it is irrelevant.
Instead of bringing Montengrins closer to their Serb brothers he is doing the opposite how can this be positive and what is to be gained? Slightly more recognition from the west? A farse especially considering that most of Metohija was part of the Montengrin kingdom not so long ago and bears equal relevence to Montengrins as Serbs.
Amusment is provided in the form of Albanian posters here.
Only Serbs talk of "Muslims" as minorities. Muslim is a person of the faith Islam...not an ethnicity. Why Serbs are allowed to spew this is just amusing.
This is a very bad move for Montenegro. Serbia will cut relations with countries which recognize Kosovo, and I doubt Montenegro can really afford that.
Djukanovic can recognize Kosovo 100 times over - his made up Church is not getting recognized by Serbia, or Russia or Constantinople or Alexandria and his country will wait a whole lot longer to get into EU.
Montenegro cannot offer anything to EU Italy, Greece or Spain can't, strategically, touristic or otherwise.
Djukanovic should keep that in mind.
Oh Mr Djukanovic, let us be the last coach in the train and you can hurry to be the first. The thing is that Tadic and Kostunica are great team but Tadic became blind in meantime and doesn’t see the benefits of the current policy. Tadic did not figured it out that only unity strengthen our position and that the EU wanted and planned the disunity between Kostunica and Tadic. I am disappointed in Tadic and do not trust him any longer. He seems to be the worst politician ever, just next to Cedomir Jovanovic. As for Mr Djukanovic, he just repeats the words of the EU officials. Of course Montenegro will do just as they have been told to do. I did not expect anything positive from Montenegro and that is truly sad. The time will tell us were we wrong to reject or to hurry to be in the EU. Any way, in my opinion the EU is just the organisation that Serbia should avoid as it has tendency to fail. Milo, Milo, good luck to you and Montenegro in the EU and let us just be isolated with Nikolic. However, I must say that I am no longer child to believe in this sort of intimidation.
Thankyou Crna Gora. Thank you for accepting the reality.
I do not understand how serbs can still be asking for Kosova when even Montenegro will accept Kosova's Independence.
If montenegrins could not live with serbs who have so many similarities, then how do you expect albanians to live under Serbia?
The ethnic Montenegrins are in an unenviable position, being a minority (about 42% I think) in their country. They would be trouble if one fine day the ethnic Serbs and Muslims were to shelve their differences and support each other's ethnocentric policies on a horse trading basis (ie. "I will vote for you on this issue if you will support me on that issue in return" )..... Montenegro can, for example, end up with a Muslim President and Serb Prime Minister etc, or pass laws granting excessive autonomy to the various ethnic dominated parts of the country, with the outvoted Montenegrins being left high and dry -- the country's ethnic composition make this a statistical future possibility.
What did u expect? that they wheren't going to recognise. They've been there & done it, that's why they aren't part of it anymore. Everybody is moving forward except Serbia.
Mr Djukanovic, you have done enough damage for one lifetime.
Kindly step aside now. Many Orthodox Montenegrains think very little of you. They are becoming a minority in their own country and thanks to your policies of the past many will not know their own history.
I wonder if Tsar Milo will also recognize albanian independence from Makedonia and Montenegro when they proclaim that as a next step for "etnicly Albania"?
After all, from Ulcinj to Petrovac is defacto albanian today, just look at the numbers. Herceg Novi is 80 % serbian, Boka Kotorska is over 50% croatian. That leaves from Budva to Petrovac "real" Montenegrin, but considering the large numbers of russians that have bought up most of the beach front properties in the latest years it will be more Russian than Montenegrin in a few years.
Maybe albanians in Kosovo will reward this kind gesture of Tsar Milo with recognizing Sandzak independence from Montenegro also?
Very interesting thing you wrote. You definately got a point there, do you say that Bosnia only have 2 large etnicities then? I bet the musl..ms, sorry converted serbs and croats love your point of view!
But I agree with you, bosnias largest religious group of people aren't an own ethnicity, they are just converted serbs and croats !
Still no declaration of independence. Only threats to do so. Why? Because the situation is stable now. If violence does break out, if the northern part declares independence, there is no interest in the EU or the USA to go to war. The Serbs are interested in this, and have the greater motivation.
As for Montnegro, they need to get a grip. If they want to follow EU policy, fine. This does not mean following German policy.
i'm no fan of milo's gov't and the fact that he will recognize kosove is not at all surprising since the vast majority of europe is set to do the same thing. he wants what every other nation in the balkans want (perhaps not serbia) and that's eventual membership into the EU. not to mention that they have approx. 8% of their population that are albanian. when montenegro voted to secede from serbia, it was done by a narrow margin and that margin of victory was compliments of the albanian vote. not that they're in love w/milo but it came down to selecting the lesser of the two evils.
I am thinking about this for days.
Why not split Kosovo? If it is 90% Albanian then it is 10% Serbian.
.... That would be the only civilized way I think.
I would appreciate comments from both sides.
(ds, 29 January 2008 17:54)
I did wrote a long, detailed commect about Balkan resolution each was beyond one country solution. My comment was real and against artificial solutions and against artificial countries. Unfortunately B92 censured it because was too radical for B92 taste. Although there was no insult whatsoever in my comment, the tough decission involved make B92 to afraid to publish it.
Mark, A huge influx of Albanians has made sure that Orthodox Montenegrians who were the majority has reversed that. Given the high birth rate of the Albanians will ensure they are a minority.
Then we will see another push for independence by the Albanians. Just like the Serbs of Kosovo, Orthodox Montenegrians are going to pay the price.
Well this really isn't much of a surprise when one thinks about it. Djukanovic spearhearded CG's independence movement to ingratiate himself within Europe's circle, so it would be hypocritical for him to deny independence to other movements.
Second, by recognizing Kosovo's independence, he establishes normal political relationships with it, thus establishing trade route and expansion of markets. Of course I have no illusions such economic prosperity will primarily go to line his pockets and the pockets of his close constituents, but business trumps politics.
By the way, who was the one a few days ago who said that Orthodox countries were against Kosovo's independence?
I am thinking about this for days.
Why not split Kosovo? If it is 90% Albanian then it is 10% Serbian.
I think it would be reasonable to have Serbian part of Kosovo staying with Serbia and rest independent.
Our two ethnical goops do not share much. Last 60 years showed that all SFRY investments in Kosovo did not result in economic prosperity or any other. Why would we, Serbs hope that we can resolve this issue by ourselves? Do we have means to do that? Even in Kosovo stays in Serbia, do we know how to resolve this trouble and how much money, time and efforts should we spend before we get to ask the same question?
To be clear, I am not advocating Albanians independence for the sake of Albanian people living there but for our own. And for the same reason I would think that Albanians would see their best interest in not living with Serbs. I am sure they would be more focused with their own problems if they have no minorities to think about.
So why splitting is not taken into account? Would not that be the best way for Albanians to get rid of Serbs and for Serbs to get rid of Albanians. That would be the only civilized way I think.
I would appreciate comments from both sides.
Mark, A huge influx of Albanians has made sure that Orthodox Montenegrians who were the majority has reversed that. Given the high birth rate of the Albanians will ensure they are a minority.
Then we will see another push for independence by the Albanians. Just like the Serbs of Kosovo, Orthodox Montenegrians are going to pay the price.
(peggy, 29 January 2008 21:55)
peggy,
you couldn't be more wrong and i'll be more then happy to put your worrisome mind to ease.
first of all, the albanian population has declined in montenegro since the late 1960's. albanian populated lands in montenegro are all along the border w/albania. from ulqin, tuz, malesia and east to the border w/kosove. they have always been there but due to no opportunity for work, discrimination and poverty, many migrated to the US. i know this because my parents were among those that left the former yugoslavia for those very reasons.
During the Serb-lead Yugoslavia the Serbs held back the other republics from moving forward. We have lost over 50 years of advancement because of the serbs. Montenegro has finally opened its eyes and realised that by being close to serbia only pulls you back into the past with no future and no prosperity. Those balkan countries who have broken from Serbia are finally moving forward.
Congratulations, Montenegro. Well done for harming your relations with the nation that is not only your brother but is also a vital economic partner whom you are clearly dependant on. I thought you may have had some sense, but clearly you don't. Perhaps you think it will grant you access to the EU? In your dreams...
Do not listen to this man
In Montenegro, we will be always with Serbs do noy worry about this marginal gay He will finish in Italy but on holiday, in jail
Thankyou Crna Gora. Thank you for accepting the reality.
I do not understand how serbs can still be asking for Kosova when even Montenegro will accept Kosova's Independence.
If montenegrins could not live with serbs who have so many similarities, then how do you expect albanians to live under Serbia?
Serbia and Montenegro are like brother and sister, but yet Montenegro chose to live under its own roof. wake up Serbia and lsiten to your sister seperate country for your own good. If Montenegrians cannot live under same roof with Serb , which share same :religioun, culture, what makes you think that you can live with Albanians that have nothing in coming regarding the above-mentioned reasons.
Actually we don't need the likes of rumania, Cyprus, Greece abnd some other rouge states to recognize us but your lovely neighbors have more wight than anybody else.
One of the many things you cannot lecture Albanians on is their history. Djukanovic may or may not know it, but we Albanians know who we are. Your opinion of it is irrelevant.
What did u expect? that they wheren't going to recognise. They've been there & done it, that's why they aren't part of it anymore. Everybody is moving forward except Serbia.
It's happening!
It's about time.
Germany said it will recognize Kosovo as independent country too, so did Macedonia and Bulgaria.
To BMRUSILA: Good luck with your new president Nikolic, hope you have a great time in "stone age" what is most likely to happen if Nikolic win the election in Serbia.
God, I can't believe that Serbs still didn't learn what will happen to them if they keep following their radical nationalist leaders.
Only Serbs talk of "Muslims" as minorities. Muslim is a person of the faith Islam...not an ethnicity. Why Serbs are allowed to spew this is just amusing.
This is a very bad move for Montenegro. Serbia will cut relations with countries which recognize Kosovo, and I doubt Montenegro can really afford that.
Djukanovic can recognize Kosovo 100 times over - his made up Church is not getting recognized by Serbia, or Russia or Constantinople or Alexandria and his country will wait a whole lot longer to get into EU.
Montenegro cannot offer anything to EU Italy, Greece or Spain can't, strategically, touristic or otherwise.
Djukanovic should keep that in mind.
Instead of bringing Montengrins closer to their Serb brothers he is doing the opposite how can this be positive and what is to be gained? Slightly more recognition from the west? A farse especially considering that most of Metohija was part of the Montengrin kingdom not so long ago and bears equal relevence to Montengrins as Serbs.
Amusment is provided in the form of Albanian posters here.
Oh Mr Djukanovic, let us be the last coach in the train and you can hurry to be the first. The thing is that Tadic and Kostunica are great team but Tadic became blind in meantime and doesn’t see the benefits of the current policy. Tadic did not figured it out that only unity strengthen our position and that the EU wanted and planned the disunity between Kostunica and Tadic. I am disappointed in Tadic and do not trust him any longer. He seems to be the worst politician ever, just next to Cedomir Jovanovic. As for Mr Djukanovic, he just repeats the words of the EU officials. Of course Montenegro will do just as they have been told to do. I did not expect anything positive from Montenegro and that is truly sad. The time will tell us were we wrong to reject or to hurry to be in the EU. Any way, in my opinion the EU is just the organisation that Serbia should avoid as it has tendency to fail. Milo, Milo, good luck to you and Montenegro in the EU and let us just be isolated with Nikolic. However, I must say that I am no longer child to believe in this sort of intimidation.
mospyt, I am not here to teach you history, but, what has to happen until you finally learn the truth about your own poeple...?
even if your "friends" from the US have declared the illyrian myth as what it is, a myth and nothing more...you still remain talking about yourself "knowing about your history"?
amazing!
you are of course free to ignore everything that doesn´t suit you - since you live on the territory of a democratic country named Serbia.
nevertheless, history doesn´t seem to be your strongest field...
Still no declaration of independence. Only threats to do so. Why? Because the situation is stable now. If violence does break out, if the northern part declares independence, there is no interest in the EU or the USA to go to war. The Serbs are interested in this, and have the greater motivation.
As for Montnegro, they need to get a grip. If they want to follow EU policy, fine. This does not mean following German policy.
Well this really isn't much of a surprise when one thinks about it. Djukanovic spearhearded CG's independence movement to ingratiate himself within Europe's circle, so it would be hypocritical for him to deny independence to other movements.
Second, by recognizing Kosovo's independence, he establishes normal political relationships with it, thus establishing trade route and expansion of markets. Of course I have no illusions such economic prosperity will primarily go to line his pockets and the pockets of his close constituents, but business trumps politics.
By the way, who was the one a few days ago who said that Orthodox countries were against Kosovo's independence?
I can see you have problems with my comments since you selected me and called my name. I don't know what make you so sure that Nikolic is my type politican? If you red my comments you could easily see that he is not my favourate one. Any way, Nikolic or not I just don't believe any longer in any tales and intimidation. And to you all I wish to enjoy that independence in Serbian territory, independence under 1244 resolution in force and we will see in few years what happens. One thing you can be sure, Serbs were bleeding through centuries for Kosovo and they will bleed again.Just don't know where you will go then? Who would say that things are going to change that much in 8 years, and can you imagine how they will change in the next 8 years. The world changes and thanks God for that.
I wonder if Tsar Milo will also recognize albanian independence from Makedonia and Montenegro when they proclaim that as a next step for "etnicly Albania"?
After all, from Ulcinj to Petrovac is defacto albanian today, just look at the numbers. Herceg Novi is 80 % serbian, Boka Kotorska is over 50% croatian. That leaves from Budva to Petrovac "real" Montenegrin, but considering the large numbers of russians that have bought up most of the beach front properties in the latest years it will be more Russian than Montenegrin in a few years.
Maybe albanians in Kosovo will reward this kind gesture of Tsar Milo with recognizing Sandzak independence from Montenegro also?
The ethnic Montenegrins are in an unenviable position, being a minority (about 42% I think) in their country. They would be trouble if one fine day the ethnic Serbs and Muslims were to shelve their differences and support each other's ethnocentric policies on a horse trading basis (ie. "I will vote for you on this issue if you will support me on that issue in return" )..... Montenegro can, for example, end up with a Muslim President and Serb Prime Minister etc, or pass laws granting excessive autonomy to the various ethnic dominated parts of the country, with the outvoted Montenegrins being left high and dry -- the country's ethnic composition make this a statistical future possibility.
Every single time Milo opened his mouth another one of his croonies got jail sentence.If he loved albanians so much why is he hunting them like bad plague.
Talk is cheap,and he is the one that give $ 200.000 for building one of the biggest Serbian monasteries in Montenegro.
Mark, A huge influx of Albanians has made sure that Orthodox Montenegrians who were the majority has reversed that. Given the high birth rate of the Albanians will ensure they are a minority.
Then we will see another push for independence by the Albanians. Just like the Serbs of Kosovo, Orthodox Montenegrians are going to pay the price.
(peggy, 29 January 2008 21:55)
peggy,
you couldn't be more wrong and i'll be more then happy to put your worrisome mind to ease.
first of all, the albanian population has declined in montenegro since the late 1960's. albanian populated lands in montenegro are all along the border w/albania. from ulqin, tuz, malesia and east to the border w/kosove. they have always been there but due to no opportunity for work, discrimination and poverty, many migrated to the US. i know this because my parents were among those that left the former yugoslavia for those very reasons.
During the Serb-lead Yugoslavia the Serbs held back the other republics from moving forward. We have lost over 50 years of advancement because of the serbs. Montenegro has finally opened its eyes and realised that by being close to serbia only pulls you back into the past with no future and no prosperity. Those balkan countries who have broken from Serbia are finally moving forward.
I am guessing that most of the above comments were made before the denial. At the end of the day Đukanović isn't the president or Prime Minister anymore so has no authority to make the origianlly reported statements. Or he is still a back seat driver and the current Pres and PM are puppets!
Kosovo belongs to Serbia and Djukanovic is an outsider who can only make a comment, not a final decision regarding Serbia's sovereign territory because he has given up that privilege.
Kastrioti,
will you be such strong supporters of Montenegro that you will try to get autonomy and later independence there also or are you completely satisfied with seeing yourself as Montenegrin citizens?
i'm no fan of milo's gov't and the fact that he will recognize kosove is not at all surprising since the vast majority of europe is set to do the same thing. he wants what every other nation in the balkans want (perhaps not serbia) and that's eventual membership into the EU. not to mention that they have approx. 8% of their population that are albanian. when montenegro voted to secede from serbia, it was done by a narrow margin and that margin of victory was compliments of the albanian vote. not that they're in love w/milo but it came down to selecting the lesser of the two evils.
Mr Djukanovic, you have done enough damage for one lifetime.
Kindly step aside now. Many Orthodox Montenegrains think very little of you. They are becoming a minority in their own country and thanks to your policies of the past many will not know their own history.
Very interesting thing you wrote. You definately got a point there, do you say that Bosnia only have 2 large etnicities then? I bet the musl..ms, sorry converted serbs and croats love your point of view!
But I agree with you, bosnias largest religious group of people aren't an own ethnicity, they are just converted serbs and croats !
I am thinking about this for days.
Why not split Kosovo? If it is 90% Albanian then it is 10% Serbian.
I think it would be reasonable to have Serbian part of Kosovo staying with Serbia and rest independent.
Our two ethnical goops do not share much. Last 60 years showed that all SFRY investments in Kosovo did not result in economic prosperity or any other. Why would we, Serbs hope that we can resolve this issue by ourselves? Do we have means to do that? Even in Kosovo stays in Serbia, do we know how to resolve this trouble and how much money, time and efforts should we spend before we get to ask the same question?
To be clear, I am not advocating Albanians independence for the sake of Albanian people living there but for our own. And for the same reason I would think that Albanians would see their best interest in not living with Serbs. I am sure they would be more focused with their own problems if they have no minorities to think about.
So why splitting is not taken into account? Would not that be the best way for Albanians to get rid of Serbs and for Serbs to get rid of Albanians. That would be the only civilized way I think.
I would appreciate comments from both sides.
I am thinking about this for days.
Why not split Kosovo? If it is 90% Albanian then it is 10% Serbian.
.... That would be the only civilized way I think.
I would appreciate comments from both sides.
(ds, 29 January 2008 17:54)
I did wrote a long, detailed commect about Balkan resolution each was beyond one country solution. My comment was real and against artificial solutions and against artificial countries. Unfortunately B92 censured it because was too radical for B92 taste. Although there was no insult whatsoever in my comment, the tough decission involved make B92 to afraid to publish it.
Mark, A huge influx of Albanians has made sure that Orthodox Montenegrians who were the majority has reversed that. Given the high birth rate of the Albanians will ensure they are a minority.
Then we will see another push for independence by the Albanians. Just like the Serbs of Kosovo, Orthodox Montenegrians are going to pay the price.
Congratulations, Montenegro. Well done for harming your relations with the nation that is not only your brother but is also a vital economic partner whom you are clearly dependant on. I thought you may have had some sense, but clearly you don't. Perhaps you think it will grant you access to the EU? In your dreams...
Do not listen to this man
In Montenegro, we will be always with Serbs do noy worry about this marginal gay He will finish in Italy but on holiday, in jail
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