Romania reiterates: No Kosovo recognition

Funcakes, I am surprised that your comment keep getting through. They are nothing but sacrastic.
This forum was designed to have real debates on the issues at hand not mud slinging and sarcasm.

B92, I am surprised that you haven't had enough of these sort of comments as they don't add anything to the debate except ridicule which I'm sure you don't intend to be part of this.

Now I say good on you Romania. Let them belittle you all they like, but you a country which is recognized and obviously in favour of speaking up in favour of holding up the law.

God bless Romania.

"Meanwhile, ethnic Albania becomes more probable with each refusal from these church sponsored states.
(Kreshnik Bejko, 22 January 2008 18:59)"

in your dreams, Kreshnik...


@Peggy:

don`t worry Peggy, sarcasm, cynism...ignorance..., that´s all they got, since international law, truth, moral and justice are on the serbian side.

never forget that!

BTW, thank you Romania for sideing with international law.

The NATO countries which will not recognize a UDI(Romania,Greece,Bulgaria etc.)should station their Special Forces in Serb areas of Kosovo in order to help the Serbs repel what are sure to be upcoming fierce KLA/ANA/Al Qaeda attacks when their frustration boils over after coming to the realization that their declaration means nothing different on the ground.Shalom

it´s always good, if the K-albanians in here feel themselves forced to make fun of some news in regard to the Kosovo-issue.

their desperation seems to be within one´s grasp.

my dear boys, Romania is a recognized member of the international community.
that´s something you will never be,so better don´t be so funny about it, you could regret it afterwards...

Ari and Funcakes,

it seems that you just don't get it - without a new UN resolution their will be no "coordinated" EU backing of any form what so ever - all along the EU have said it will only act in unity and that quite frankly means they in unity will not be going along with the illegal US folly!

Of course we will hear Thaci give reassurance just like Ceku before him and kosumi before Ceku that "soon, shortly we will have our promise delivered" - only one prombelm it is not the US's to deliver and at the moment the US has a huge economic situation to deal with! It clearly won't be sending any aid to prop up this illegal Dependence!

Ari, that veto means NO EU for an illegal indep Kosov"a". But Kosovo won't be indep anyway, 1244. Kosovo is SERBIAN!

Does anyone know when exactly Slovakia became Eastern Orthodox country? The ignorance of some of the Albanians on this forum can only be matched by their masters across the ocean. We all know which ones....

So what will the Albanians do now? Declare war on Romania or will the start illegally immigrating into Romania and start the task of creating a demographic shift ala Kosovo

The title of the article alone makes everything sound comical.

I am sure the lions are afraid of a stray deer running around.

Really, what are the implications of Romania not recognizing Kosovo?. Romania does have a veto as part of the EU but other than that... The wagon is moving on while the dogs bark.

Well, Romania, Greece, Cypus, Slovakia all part of the Orthodox axis predicted by Samuel Huntigton.

They will cause a civilisational divide within EU in the name of some ethereal 'international law' concept. Meanwhile, ethnic Albania becomes more probable with each refusal from these church sponsored states.

"Well, Romania, Greece, Cypus, Slovakia all part of the Orthodox axis predicted by Samuel Huntigton."

Um....

Greece - Orthodox
Cyrpus - Orthodox
Romania - Orthodox
Hungary - Catholic/Protestant
Slovakia - Catholic
Spain - Catholic
China - Confucian
Indonesia - Muslim

Make sure you doublecheck your homework next time Kreshnik. And don't use Huntington next time. "Clash" is never used as a credible source in academic circles.

Romania has every right not to recognise a UDI of Kosova, as it is worried about its own ethnic Hungarian minority.
It is also, I believe, a major trading partner of Serbia. I don't expect Romania or Greece to ever be on board with the UDI, unlees pressured by the big powers.

However the reality on the ground is that Kosova is de facto independent. There is no way the status quo can go on forever. The EU is not interested in having a failed state in either Serbia or Kosova. This is the last chapter in the failed Yugoslav experiment.

Both sides would be better off living separately for at least 20 years until the wounds have healed and then a reconicliation alla French-German should be in the cards.

Kreshnik Bejko

Have you read Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations"? Obviously not, since some of the states opposing independence are not Orthodox, Slovakia especially since you bring up this list. Slovakia belongs to Western Christianity. And what about the Orthodox states like Macedonia, Montenegro, Bulgaria and others who are for independence?

Romania will not recognize the independance of Kosovo for the following reasons:

1. This will create a very dangerous precedent, separation of a region from an autonomous country just based on ethnic reasons.

2. The danger for Romania is that the majoritory Hungarian counties in Romania are for separation from Romania for the exact same reason. So you see how the Hungarian politicians in Romania will try to use this separation of Kosovo in their interests.

I saw a comment earlier that Romania occupied a Hungarian teritory, and treated hungarians badly. That is a polemic lasting for hundreds of years, and by the way there exists also the Romanian version of this, which states about the same things, ( bad treatment bla bla bla ... this is just a nationalistic influenced history current that has nothing to do with the hard cold historical fact that this region was won by Romania by war and it has absolutely no importance who lived there before, or to who it was the property of ( because it can be argued that the Romanians were there before the hungarians ( more like forever :D ). And, now that Romania is part of the EU , it is impossible for this land to go to Hungary.)

Another Romanian.

RO
Point taken, but God bless you all anyway.

Thanks for the blessings! However don't be fooled by what Mr. Cioroianu is saying (quite a laughable character in Romania to put it mildly; he is used to speak without thinking-not related to the topic here). What Romania is doing is just politics, and politics has no heart, if you get my point.

Two million Hungarians live in Romania and bout 600 hundred thousand lives in Vojvodina. Both these orthodox countries occupied hungarian land. They treated Hungarians so bad like in dark time of kont dracula. Same did serbians to hungarians. So we are not surpprised about what romanians saying. They presen dark side of europe as russians and serbs.

Beni:

"So we are not surpprised about what romanians saying. They presen dark side of europe as russians and serbs."

My dear Beni, Albania was the only nation to ever have been officially declared atheist and in light of it's Nazi past and penchant for gloriously stupid economic stimulus policies such as government sponsored pyramid schemes, I wouldn't exactly call Albania a model for democratic reform. Still waiting for Bush's watch to be returned...

Peter,

“…what about the Orthodox states who are for independence like Macedonia,…”

Poor FYROM, gun is pointed at their head, if they don’t do exactly as they are told

“… Montenegro…”

Independent Albanian Kosovo could never be in the Montenegrin interest. Also, huge part of Montenegrins sympathize with a Serbs. CG government will support Albanians only if very strongly pressured by “International Community”, at the risk of loosing support of its electorate.

“… Bulgaria…”

I’m not so sure Bulgaria will support it. They have big Turkish minority to worry about. Last friday Vladimir Putin visited Sofia, talked with a Georgy Prvanov, Bulgarian president. Lucrative energy cooperation deals were signed, Kosovo was discussed. Putin repeated well known Russian opinion, Bulgarians sad something about understanding of risks involved. Russian diplomats expressed hope that Bulgaria will make its position known during debates in EU….

oh, dear! mighty & influencial romania has spoken! it's a good thing i'm hiding under my desk when posting this response.
i hope the ground doesn't begin to shake in lieu of this recent development.

mister Jeremic is not the man for that job,he is to soft,everything what is asked from him he agree,he shod hear and remember what mr Andrian Cioroianu say and learn..that is the attitude that he must have when he spoke about Kosovo

“Kosovo should be resolved in keeping with international law “ this is the key sentences about Kosovo and our government have to repeat that day after day until they learn lt.What ever EU ask from Jeremic he say yes because he is not on that function for benefit of Serbia,he is on that function just for his own interest and interest of his party.

Really, what are the implications of Romania not recognizing Kosovo?. Romania does have a veto as part of the EU but other than that... The wagon is moving on while the dogs bark.

The title of the article alone makes everything sound comical.

I am sure the lions are afraid of a stray deer running around.

Well, Romania, Greece, Cypus, Slovakia all part of the Orthodox axis predicted by Samuel Huntigton.

They will cause a civilisational divide within EU in the name of some ethereal 'international law' concept. Meanwhile, ethnic Albania becomes more probable with each refusal from these church sponsored states.

Ari, that veto means NO EU for an illegal indep Kosov"a". But Kosovo won't be indep anyway, 1244. Kosovo is SERBIAN!

Ari and Funcakes,

it seems that you just don't get it - without a new UN resolution their will be no "coordinated" EU backing of any form what so ever - all along the EU have said it will only act in unity and that quite frankly means they in unity will not be going along with the illegal US folly!

Of course we will hear Thaci give reassurance just like Ceku before him and kosumi before Ceku that "soon, shortly we will have our promise delivered" - only one prombelm it is not the US's to deliver and at the moment the US has a huge economic situation to deal with! It clearly won't be sending any aid to prop up this illegal Dependence!

Romania has every right not to recognise a UDI of Kosova, as it is worried about its own ethnic Hungarian minority.
It is also, I believe, a major trading partner of Serbia. I don't expect Romania or Greece to ever be on board with the UDI, unlees pressured by the big powers.

However the reality on the ground is that Kosova is de facto independent. There is no way the status quo can go on forever. The EU is not interested in having a failed state in either Serbia or Kosova. This is the last chapter in the failed Yugoslav experiment.

Both sides would be better off living separately for at least 20 years until the wounds have healed and then a reconicliation alla French-German should be in the cards.

it´s always good, if the K-albanians in here feel themselves forced to make fun of some news in regard to the Kosovo-issue.

their desperation seems to be within one´s grasp.

my dear boys, Romania is a recognized member of the international community.
that´s something you will never be,so better don´t be so funny about it, you could regret it afterwards...

Funcakes, I am surprised that your comment keep getting through. They are nothing but sacrastic.
This forum was designed to have real debates on the issues at hand not mud slinging and sarcasm.

B92, I am surprised that you haven't had enough of these sort of comments as they don't add anything to the debate except ridicule which I'm sure you don't intend to be part of this.

Now I say good on you Romania. Let them belittle you all they like, but you a country which is recognized and obviously in favour of speaking up in favour of holding up the law.

Two million Hungarians live in Romania and bout 600 hundred thousand lives in Vojvodina. Both these orthodox countries occupied hungarian land. They treated Hungarians so bad like in dark time of kont dracula. Same did serbians to hungarians. So we are not surpprised about what romanians saying. They presen dark side of europe as russians and serbs.

oh, dear! mighty & influencial romania has spoken! it's a good thing i'm hiding under my desk when posting this response.
i hope the ground doesn't begin to shake in lieu of this recent development.

The NATO countries which will not recognize a UDI(Romania,Greece,Bulgaria etc.)should station their Special Forces in Serb areas of Kosovo in order to help the Serbs repel what are sure to be upcoming fierce KLA/ANA/Al Qaeda attacks when their frustration boils over after coming to the realization that their declaration means nothing different on the ground.Shalom

"Meanwhile, ethnic Albania becomes more probable with each refusal from these church sponsored states.
(Kreshnik Bejko, 22 January 2008 18:59)"

in your dreams, Kreshnik...


@Peggy:

don`t worry Peggy, sarcasm, cynism...ignorance..., that´s all they got, since international law, truth, moral and justice are on the serbian side.

never forget that!

So what will the Albanians do now? Declare war on Romania or will the start illegally immigrating into Romania and start the task of creating a demographic shift ala Kosovo

Does anyone know when exactly Slovakia became Eastern Orthodox country? The ignorance of some of the Albanians on this forum can only be matched by their masters across the ocean. We all know which ones....

BTW, thank you Romania for sideing with international law.

God bless Romania.

Thanks for the blessings! However don't be fooled by what Mr. Cioroianu is saying (quite a laughable character in Romania to put it mildly; he is used to speak without thinking-not related to the topic here). What Romania is doing is just politics, and politics has no heart, if you get my point.

"Well, Romania, Greece, Cypus, Slovakia all part of the Orthodox axis predicted by Samuel Huntigton."

Um....

Greece - Orthodox
Cyrpus - Orthodox
Romania - Orthodox
Hungary - Catholic/Protestant
Slovakia - Catholic
Spain - Catholic
China - Confucian
Indonesia - Muslim

Make sure you doublecheck your homework next time Kreshnik. And don't use Huntington next time. "Clash" is never used as a credible source in academic circles.

RO
Point taken, but God bless you all anyway.

Kreshnik Bejko

Have you read Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations"? Obviously not, since some of the states opposing independence are not Orthodox, Slovakia especially since you bring up this list. Slovakia belongs to Western Christianity. And what about the Orthodox states like Macedonia, Montenegro, Bulgaria and others who are for independence?

Romania will not recognize the independance of Kosovo for the following reasons:

1. This will create a very dangerous precedent, separation of a region from an autonomous country just based on ethnic reasons.

2. The danger for Romania is that the majoritory Hungarian counties in Romania are for separation from Romania for the exact same reason. So you see how the Hungarian politicians in Romania will try to use this separation of Kosovo in their interests.

I saw a comment earlier that Romania occupied a Hungarian teritory, and treated hungarians badly. That is a polemic lasting for hundreds of years, and by the way there exists also the Romanian version of this, which states about the same things, ( bad treatment bla bla bla ... this is just a nationalistic influenced history current that has nothing to do with the hard cold historical fact that this region was won by Romania by war and it has absolutely no importance who lived there before, or to who it was the property of ( because it can be argued that the Romanians were there before the hungarians ( more like forever :D ). And, now that Romania is part of the EU , it is impossible for this land to go to Hungary.)

Another Romanian.

Beni:

"So we are not surpprised about what romanians saying. They presen dark side of europe as russians and serbs."

My dear Beni, Albania was the only nation to ever have been officially declared atheist and in light of it's Nazi past and penchant for gloriously stupid economic stimulus policies such as government sponsored pyramid schemes, I wouldn't exactly call Albania a model for democratic reform. Still waiting for Bush's watch to be returned...

Peter,

“…what about the Orthodox states who are for independence like Macedonia,…”

Poor FYROM, gun is pointed at their head, if they don’t do exactly as they are told

“… Montenegro…”

Independent Albanian Kosovo could never be in the Montenegrin interest. Also, huge part of Montenegrins sympathize with a Serbs. CG government will support Albanians only if very strongly pressured by “International Community”, at the risk of loosing support of its electorate.

“… Bulgaria…”

I’m not so sure Bulgaria will support it. They have big Turkish minority to worry about. Last friday Vladimir Putin visited Sofia, talked with a Georgy Prvanov, Bulgarian president. Lucrative energy cooperation deals were signed, Kosovo was discussed. Putin repeated well known Russian opinion, Bulgarians sad something about understanding of risks involved. Russian diplomats expressed hope that Bulgaria will make its position known during debates in EU….

mister Jeremic is not the man for that job,he is to soft,everything what is asked from him he agree,he shod hear and remember what mr Andrian Cioroianu say and learn..that is the attitude that he must have when he spoke about Kosovo

“Kosovo should be resolved in keeping with international law “ this is the key sentences about Kosovo and our government have to repeat that day after day until they learn lt.What ever EU ask from Jeremic he say yes because he is not on that function for benefit of Serbia,he is on that function just for his own interest and interest of his party.