So Mesic supports a negotiated solution. Fine, that means no UDI first and foremost. It also means no EU action without Serbia's approval.
So far, I'm liking this.
Then Mesic says a negotiated solution “on the basis of the Ahtisaari Plan.”
Well, AP covers a lot of things - from generous minority rights for Serbs and others, the virtual administrative independence of the SPC, the creation of a democratic civil society in Kosovo, and the groundwork for reconciliation between Serbs and Albanians, all of which will take at least a generation to reach maturation.
All sounds great to me.
There's only one problem: we've already established the fact that a negotiated solution will not lead to formal independence, nor will it lead to formal Serbian sovereignty. So where do we go from here? EU Protectorate within nominal Serbian political boundaries with most of the elements of AP instititonalized short of formal independence? Probably so. Any "negotiated solution" means that Serbia is, and will remain, a key player in the Kosovo process. As Jovan says, "let's see what the future brings", though I think the future will bring something many of us were not completely predicting. Kosovo may actually turn out to be that "unique case" after all, in that is sets a new type of semi-sovereign status around the world.
Finally I can agree with you. Besides I really cannot understand why such wish to join the EU. The war in former YU broke out becuse some republics wished to be independent and bring the decisions on thier own. The EU would not differ at all from the ex YU, I think it is even worse since small "insignificant" countries, especially those from Balkans would never be equally tretated. So, what is the pint of joining the EU? To lose its identity , national dignity and lose the right in preserving its interests while the UK,France and Germany will be those to impose the conditions and preserve its identities,national dignity and interests.
, given that Zagreb hoped to join the EU soon and wished to respect its rules. What rules Mesic they don't respect you or Croatia its is a 7 day ultimatum. After Slovenian Foreign Minister Dimitrij Rupel Tuesday said that Slovenia and the EU "do not intend to wait more than seven days" for Croatia to abolish its fishing zone in the Adriatic Sea, Is telling Croatia that it has no rights to protect its sea ecologically or its fish stocks on its side of the sea. From the Italians how have completely decimated their own fish stocks and ecology and want to do same in Croatian waters,that Croatia lawfully declared implemented on its side of the sea. International body of law of the sea gives Croatia every right on its side under the same law to implement it and enforce it like every other sea nation in the world dose. To protect its resources from ravenous quick dollar fleets like the Italian Mafiosos & EU fishing fleets. They took on the Croatian side in fish in one year what takes the Croatians to do in 10 years.
Former chief of Croatia's diplomacy Tonino Picula, accused Ljubljana of disguising its own interests with those of the EU, at the same time describing Rupel's modus operandi as being "prone to causing incidents," and adding that this "rupelesque" manner "will not succeed." Time after time Croatia has insisted that they go to world law bodies and settle their sea border and land border. Of course Slovenians have refused they think they can bully Croatia and use the EU to get a setalment in their favor dream on Slovenia. Croatia is not even a member of the EU imagine how many rights they wood lose if they were.
Official Ljubljana said that Croatia has "misunderstood that EU warnings were coming from Slovenia," and that, "unfortunately, such unrealistic interpretation could harm precisely Croatia itself." Double talk you cant negotiate with the EU if it dose not in their favor or they make a hypocritical laws for them selves to their liking and benefit. Western Balkans don't fall in to their traps and become a slaves of the Hypocritical EU.
And who asked him for an opinion? The Serbs have never and will never count on Croats' help. They can do what ever they like and of course have to do what ever they are ordered to do by the EU. I certainly did not expect Croatia change its course towards Serbia, they must play as the EU says. They will be the first in the row for signing. Maybe just after the Slovenians in order to prove thier loyalty :)))).The Ahtisari plan can be implemented in Croatia if they like it that much, perhaps in Dalmatia.
Negotiated solution; That’s what Ahtisaari plan was meant to be. Ideal minority rights not seen even in the most advanced democracies, no union with Albania or any Albanians in the region. That would have been the ideal solution for the Serbians if it wasn’t for Russia who started to wake up and decided to throw some weight around.Eventualy the Russians will fully wake up and realise that their real weight is not what they were dreaming off. Serbians in their turn will wake up to realise they’d been deceived and that the Ahtisaari Plan wasn’t that bad after all.
B.Shpatari
Didn't we all want a negotiated solutions? It is just impossible when it comes to SOVEREIGNITY of Kosova. That is the REALITY. Status Quo is untenable and we all agree on that. Next Europe must make a decision based on what has been achieved so far during these negotiations through international community. Ahtisari Plan plus Troika's conclusions.
And who asked him for an opinion? The Serbs have never and will never count on Croats' help. They can do what ever they like and of course have to do what ever they are ordered to do by the EU. I certainly did not expect Croatia change its course towards Serbia, they must play as the EU says. They will be the first in the row for signing. Maybe just after the Slovenians in order to prove thier loyalty :)))).The Ahtisari plan can be implemented in Croatia if they like it that much, perhaps in Dalmatia.
Didn't we all want a negotiated solutions? It is just impossible when it comes to SOVEREIGNITY of Kosova. That is the REALITY. Status Quo is untenable and we all agree on that. Next Europe must make a decision based on what has been achieved so far during these negotiations through international community. Ahtisari Plan plus Troika's conclusions.
Negotiated solution; That’s what Ahtisaari plan was meant to be. Ideal minority rights not seen even in the most advanced democracies, no union with Albania or any Albanians in the region. That would have been the ideal solution for the Serbians if it wasn’t for Russia who started to wake up and decided to throw some weight around.Eventualy the Russians will fully wake up and realise that their real weight is not what they were dreaming off. Serbians in their turn will wake up to realise they’d been deceived and that the Ahtisaari Plan wasn’t that bad after all.
B.Shpatari
, given that Zagreb hoped to join the EU soon and wished to respect its rules. What rules Mesic they don't respect you or Croatia its is a 7 day ultimatum. After Slovenian Foreign Minister Dimitrij Rupel Tuesday said that Slovenia and the EU "do not intend to wait more than seven days" for Croatia to abolish its fishing zone in the Adriatic Sea, Is telling Croatia that it has no rights to protect its sea ecologically or its fish stocks on its side of the sea. From the Italians how have completely decimated their own fish stocks and ecology and want to do same in Croatian waters,that Croatia lawfully declared implemented on its side of the sea. International body of law of the sea gives Croatia every right on its side under the same law to implement it and enforce it like every other sea nation in the world dose. To protect its resources from ravenous quick dollar fleets like the Italian Mafiosos & EU fishing fleets. They took on the Croatian side in fish in one year what takes the Croatians to do in 10 years.
Former chief of Croatia's diplomacy Tonino Picula, accused Ljubljana of disguising its own interests with those of the EU, at the same time describing Rupel's modus operandi as being "prone to causing incidents," and adding that this "rupelesque" manner "will not succeed." Time after time Croatia has insisted that they go to world law bodies and settle their sea border and land border. Of course Slovenians have refused they think they can bully Croatia and use the EU to get a setalment in their favor dream on Slovenia. Croatia is not even a member of the EU imagine how many rights they wood lose if they were.
Official Ljubljana said that Croatia has "misunderstood that EU warnings were coming from Slovenia," and that, "unfortunately, such unrealistic interpretation could harm precisely Croatia itself." Double talk you cant negotiate with the EU if it dose not in their favor or they make a hypocritical laws for them selves to their liking and benefit. Western Balkans don't fall in to their traps and become a slaves of the Hypocritical EU.
Finally I can agree with you. Besides I really cannot understand why such wish to join the EU. The war in former YU broke out becuse some republics wished to be independent and bring the decisions on thier own. The EU would not differ at all from the ex YU, I think it is even worse since small "insignificant" countries, especially those from Balkans would never be equally tretated. So, what is the pint of joining the EU? To lose its identity , national dignity and lose the right in preserving its interests while the UK,France and Germany will be those to impose the conditions and preserve its identities,national dignity and interests.
So Mesic supports a negotiated solution. Fine, that means no UDI first and foremost. It also means no EU action without Serbia's approval.
So far, I'm liking this.
Then Mesic says a negotiated solution “on the basis of the Ahtisaari Plan.”
Well, AP covers a lot of things - from generous minority rights for Serbs and others, the virtual administrative independence of the SPC, the creation of a democratic civil society in Kosovo, and the groundwork for reconciliation between Serbs and Albanians, all of which will take at least a generation to reach maturation.
All sounds great to me.
There's only one problem: we've already established the fact that a negotiated solution will not lead to formal independence, nor will it lead to formal Serbian sovereignty. So where do we go from here? EU Protectorate within nominal Serbian political boundaries with most of the elements of AP instititonalized short of formal independence? Probably so. Any "negotiated solution" means that Serbia is, and will remain, a key player in the Kosovo process. As Jovan says, "let's see what the future brings", though I think the future will bring something many of us were not completely predicting. Kosovo may actually turn out to be that "unique case" after all, in that is sets a new type of semi-sovereign status around the world.
Negotiated solution; That’s what Ahtisaari plan was meant to be. Ideal minority rights not seen even in the most advanced democracies, no union with Albania or any Albanians in the region. That would have been the ideal solution for the Serbians if it wasn’t for Russia who started to wake up and decided to throw some weight around.Eventualy the Russians will fully wake up and realise that their real weight is not what they were dreaming off. Serbians in their turn will wake up to realise they’d been deceived and that the Ahtisaari Plan wasn’t that bad after all.
B.Shpatari
Didn't we all want a negotiated solutions? It is just impossible when it comes to SOVEREIGNITY of Kosova. That is the REALITY. Status Quo is untenable and we all agree on that. Next Europe must make a decision based on what has been achieved so far during these negotiations through international community. Ahtisari Plan plus Troika's conclusions.
And who asked him for an opinion? The Serbs have never and will never count on Croats' help. They can do what ever they like and of course have to do what ever they are ordered to do by the EU. I certainly did not expect Croatia change its course towards Serbia, they must play as the EU says. They will be the first in the row for signing. Maybe just after the Slovenians in order to prove thier loyalty :)))).The Ahtisari plan can be implemented in Croatia if they like it that much, perhaps in Dalmatia.
Finally I can agree with you. Besides I really cannot understand why such wish to join the EU. The war in former YU broke out becuse some republics wished to be independent and bring the decisions on thier own. The EU would not differ at all from the ex YU, I think it is even worse since small "insignificant" countries, especially those from Balkans would never be equally tretated. So, what is the pint of joining the EU? To lose its identity , national dignity and lose the right in preserving its interests while the UK,France and Germany will be those to impose the conditions and preserve its identities,national dignity and interests.
, given that Zagreb hoped to join the EU soon and wished to respect its rules. What rules Mesic they don't respect you or Croatia its is a 7 day ultimatum. After Slovenian Foreign Minister Dimitrij Rupel Tuesday said that Slovenia and the EU "do not intend to wait more than seven days" for Croatia to abolish its fishing zone in the Adriatic Sea, Is telling Croatia that it has no rights to protect its sea ecologically or its fish stocks on its side of the sea. From the Italians how have completely decimated their own fish stocks and ecology and want to do same in Croatian waters,that Croatia lawfully declared implemented on its side of the sea. International body of law of the sea gives Croatia every right on its side under the same law to implement it and enforce it like every other sea nation in the world dose. To protect its resources from ravenous quick dollar fleets like the Italian Mafiosos & EU fishing fleets. They took on the Croatian side in fish in one year what takes the Croatians to do in 10 years.
Former chief of Croatia's diplomacy Tonino Picula, accused Ljubljana of disguising its own interests with those of the EU, at the same time describing Rupel's modus operandi as being "prone to causing incidents," and adding that this "rupelesque" manner "will not succeed." Time after time Croatia has insisted that they go to world law bodies and settle their sea border and land border. Of course Slovenians have refused they think they can bully Croatia and use the EU to get a setalment in their favor dream on Slovenia. Croatia is not even a member of the EU imagine how many rights they wood lose if they were.
Official Ljubljana said that Croatia has "misunderstood that EU warnings were coming from Slovenia," and that, "unfortunately, such unrealistic interpretation could harm precisely Croatia itself." Double talk you cant negotiate with the EU if it dose not in their favor or they make a hypocritical laws for them selves to their liking and benefit. Western Balkans don't fall in to their traps and become a slaves of the Hypocritical EU.
So Mesic supports a negotiated solution. Fine, that means no UDI first and foremost. It also means no EU action without Serbia's approval.
So far, I'm liking this.
Then Mesic says a negotiated solution “on the basis of the Ahtisaari Plan.”
Well, AP covers a lot of things - from generous minority rights for Serbs and others, the virtual administrative independence of the SPC, the creation of a democratic civil society in Kosovo, and the groundwork for reconciliation between Serbs and Albanians, all of which will take at least a generation to reach maturation.
All sounds great to me.
There's only one problem: we've already established the fact that a negotiated solution will not lead to formal independence, nor will it lead to formal Serbian sovereignty. So where do we go from here? EU Protectorate within nominal Serbian political boundaries with most of the elements of AP instititonalized short of formal independence? Probably so. Any "negotiated solution" means that Serbia is, and will remain, a key player in the Kosovo process. As Jovan says, "let's see what the future brings", though I think the future will bring something many of us were not completely predicting. Kosovo may actually turn out to be that "unique case" after all, in that is sets a new type of semi-sovereign status around the world.
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