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Sunday, 20.01.2008.

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Preliminary results: Nikolić, Tadić, headed for run-off

Tomislav Nikolić has won 39.4 pct in today's presidential vote, followed by Boris Tadić's 35.4 pct.

Izvor: B92

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swedish_alb

pre 16 godina

Such a good news. I hope Nikolic will win in the run off, it will be like a huge public proclamation "never more negotiations about Kosova". Lucky us in that case, Indipendence won't be disscused any more, probably the next issue will be Presheva, Bujanovci and Medvegja.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Miri,

Sorry if this comment insulted you but the truth sometimes might hurt. In addition, I don't know who werethe Serbs ashemd of thier nationality when outside Serbia. I never met not a one in my entire life. However, when ever I traveled, and I was and still travelling a lot abroad I have never been ashamed of who I am, where do I come form, on the contrary, I always emphasize and proudly say that I am a Serb. I feel sorry for those who are ashemed of their nationality

bganon

pre 16 godina

Petar I dont represent B92.
Remember every post you make here (and is published) makes your argument look less principled and weaker.

If you really believe what you say explain why do you contribute? Are you not guilty of giving credance to this supposedly sophisticated propoganda?

gnjilanac

pre 16 godina

TO CYGNUS:
Kosovar Albanians were not included in voters list.
This clearly shows, they are not considered as citizens of Serbia. And guess what, this is good, not bad at all as we were never willing to be considered as such. Does this, somehow, explain the future of people living in Kosovo?!!! To me clear... Not citizens of Serbia... Citizens of Kosovo... hmmm... Do we miss something in here? Maybe a new state... Cheers

Beni

pre 16 godina

Even I am Kosovar I like Nikolic to win elektions. Why not? Lets see what he can do and which direction he will send Serbia. This way no body can say that Tadic was west ally and without serbian people will he made compromis to west about Kosova or any other issue. I think that Nikolic will say: Sorry folks but it was fault of Milosevic and after that Kostunica and Tadic why we can not prevent Kosova to be independent. Tadic would say I was in goog way to bring back Kosova into Serbian harms again bit Nikolic breaked everything. Dont you thing this is somehow planed to happen? Than who will be next holly fighter for Kosova?

miri

pre 16 godina

To brumsila #19.

Here is an excerpt from a very agressive previous comment of yours that is extremely insulting.

"Serbian politicans cannot waste time by learning the language of ecah imigrant entering this country. They have better things to do and imigrants are obliged to learn the language of the country they are planning to live in in order to socialize and intagrate better. However, Albanians hardly can intagrate where ever they live and Serbia is not the only country having problem with this ethnic minority."

Just to add a spice to this comment. Serbs are those that feel shame to proclaim their nationality outside of Serbia. Serbs are those that are looked down as troublemakers in the west. I don't really want to get into an argument with you, because it's not worthy but you cross the line many times here.

Bob

pre 16 godina

Milosevic lost Kosovo - Nikolic would reinforce that conclusion.

Politically and diplomatically with regard to Kosovo, Kostunica and Tadic have done the best that could be done in recent months.

It would be a messy process if Kosovo did declare independence, and Serbia could reserve the right to take back the territory at sometime in the future if 1244 is broken.

The EU should negotiate more seriously over the matter of governance. Strong autonomy is all that the Albanians would get as long as western troops remain in Kosovo - they would not be independent while being ruled by UN/EU/NATO.

Therefore there is actually lots of time if the EU diplomats decide to be more constructive about Serbia's needs than they have been so far.

KS

pre 16 godina

I'm not sure whether to be excited that the loud mouth Tadic won't be in power anymore or to be super excited that the Radicals are wining. Whatever the outcome, this is a big win for us Kosovars.

May the best, man/woman win.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

The victory of the Radical Nikolic is a BIG HUGE FAT reason why Kosova should get independence.
His victory shows that in Serbia the majority of people still think of "greater Serbia" at the expense of neighbors.
His victory shows that the majority in Serbia are still thinking for the past instead of for the future.
Nikolic's victory will bring some more dark years for Serbia.
By the way, is Serbia destined to suffer? Is she paying for what was done in her name? Can any serb answer please.

Gunar Knob

pre 16 godina

No surprise. CeSid predicted it correctly , almost within a percentage point.
Let say on Feb. 3d Mr. Nikolic gets the Mr. Ilic's and Mr. Mrkonic's camp on his side and , thus, wins.
So what? Other than dismissing the Gen. Ponos from the Army post - not much he (or the Radicals) can change.
I don’t buy that islolation mantra everybody keeps repeating - these are no 90-ties any more.
If you have China, Russia and SAR on your side - hardly you can be considered "isolated".
EU (led by UK and Holland) has shown amazing amount of hatred towards the Serbs. Probably a leftover of Cold War and (wrongly) seeing the Serbs as mini-me of Russia.
In a way - maybe it is meant to be this way. Lets everybody goes their way and see how the future shakes out.

Orestes

pre 16 godina

Tomislav Nikolić will be Serbia's George W. Bush.

You may think he looks good on paper now, but just wait 5 years and see the damage he has wrought.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

"A total of 6,708,697 citizens were eligible to vote – 112,861 of them registered in the southern province of Kosovo"

If there are around 113,000 Serbs registered to vote in Kosova, does that figure include both those living there and the IDP's in Serbia? And what proportion of the population is made up of registered voters.

I ask these informational questions in order to help us get a better handle on the abusrdly large figures regularly quoted by the UNHCR, direct from Serbian govt figures without having done its own surveys, of the numbers of Kosovar Serb IDPs in Serbia, figures which bear no relation to the numbvers of Serbs that lived in Kosova before 1999, based on official Serbian records.

So if the 113,000 registered voters represents, let's say, 60% of the Serb population (I doubt there are even 40% below 18 y.o.), then the total K Serb population in both Kosova and Serbia is less than 200,000 (ie, corresponding closely to official Serb government figures for the *total* numbers of K Serbs before 1999). And since there are around 120,00-130,000 Serbs in Kosova (again, based on Serb govt figures), then we have around 70-80,000 IDPs in Serbia, right, not the ridiculous "250,000" figures regularly quoted for propaganda purposes.

Just to clarify, I'm not making this point to downgrade the plight of even those 70-80,000 - they should all have the right to return, and I've never been one to underestimate their legitimate security concerns preventing return (though of course other issues, such as emploment, which affect all Kosovars, are also relevant).

If on the other hand, there are 113,000 registered Serb voters in Kosova itself, that would mean nearly 200,000 Serbs in Kosova, somewhat unlikely, but if true, it would mean much less even than the above 70-80,000 IDPs. Wonder which way the Serb posters would like to have it.

Petar

pre 16 godina

@bganon"Have you forgotten the way that RTS used to show only one side only?"

Your propaganda is more believable because of the periodic lucid reporting with clever indirections, misdirections, blended in with the absurd. It is much less formal and explicitly declared and therefore far more stealthy and successful.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

I guess Tadic will be signing that Gazprom deal quite soon aswell as telling the EU in no uncertain terms that Serbia is willing to be an equal partner but for that to happen all EU states must respect its sovereignity !

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Uli,

Please tell me where did I insult Albanian culture. I have never said anything in my entire life against Albanian culture, history and so on. I do have problem how Albanians treat people and their minorities but I have never insult anyones' culture, country or history. Please find any of my comments that particulary insult your country, culture and history. Do you think that I cherish and have respect only for rich and booming countries full of glowing comercials? Do you actually think that I do not appreciate the people and the culture of some poor countries? You gotta be kidding me. If I ever insulted your country anyhow be sure that it was unitentionaly. I may not agree with your claims and we may not share same vision over the Kosovo issue but I certainly do not insult.

bganon

pre 16 godina

Petar with respect I see you dont know what a coup d'etat is either. Go look it up on the internet. If the market falls in any given country after an election / political event of some kind that is because investors are selling due to fears that their stock price will decrease. It happens in western countries too.

A coup d'etat is something completely different. What investors want is for their stocks to increase in value.

'Lets just say that in 1995, Sasha Vucinich went to George Soros and asked him for a half million dollars to start MDLF and help fund B92'

What this B92 you are contributing to? You are taking advantage of his money and system of information? (propoganda if you prefer) You are enriching the content and perhaps causing more people to visit something you claim to be against.

I dont have trouble respecting somebody for courage of their convictions even if I disagree with them. What I dont agree with is being totally against something but at the same time being a hypocrite by using it. Worse still the very fact that your posts are published and not repressed mean nothing?

Have you forgotten the way that RTS used to show only one side only?

uli

pre 16 godina

mbrusila, stop insulting and talking bad about our culture, you are not in position to determine what colture is the best and act superior towards other cultures. in matter of fact you might have a miss conception of albania and albanian culture. albania has changed , economy is growing and cities are booming. I would recommend you to visit visit few cites on you tube and see more about albania and albanians. Sample. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYTtny0OP2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag3F8yV9qYA&feature=related

please watch them and hopefully you will be more open minded towards albanians and stop under estimating our culture.

Jossef

pre 16 godina

I wish prosperity for the Serb people.
Kosovo is holy for the Serbs as Jerusalem is for the jews.
Best regards for the Serbian nation from Israel.

Zoran

pre 16 godina

Go and vote Serbia! indulge yourself in the illusion of choice, it is not relevant that the choice has been already made for you. Tadic will win (please God let me be wrong!) I hate politicians, (with a few exceptions) my vote goes for the King, long live the Kingdom of the Serbs, all Serbs!

Go Green Bay Packers!

Cygnus

pre 16 godina

gjipe,

All voters who vote in the federal electioins of Serbia are referred to as Serbians (Serbian nationals, not serbian ethnically) just like anyone voting in the USA's elections are referred to as Americans whether there background is Polish, Mexican, Albanian or whatever. What ever nation you are citizen of determines the moniker given to you, not your ethnicity. So please don't suggest that minorities are being ignored in Serbian elections.

Petar

pre 16 godina

@bganon: "Petar I can see you dont know much about the stock market if you think a fall is planned."

Bganon i see you dont know much about Coup d'Etat. Do you remember when Nikolic was elected as Serbian parliament speaker last year, immediately sudden dramatic decline of stock prices followed. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=05&dd=09&nav_id=41136


@bganon: "As for Soros co-owned media, I'd like to know how many media outlets in Serbia you believe are co-owned by Soros."

Lets just say that in 1995, Sasha Vucinich went to George Soros and asked him for a half million dollars to start MDLF and help fund B92. These donors knew very well what the preconditions for a "revolution" were!

Princip, uk

pre 16 godina

Good luck to all candidates!

No point in speculating as that is just reading into statistics which can say what ever you want them to say! Lets see what the actual result of the election is and not some straw poll!

The important thing is make sure your vote counts!

BalkanUpdate

pre 16 godina

Central Serbia is Nikolic country, so if the turnout is higher there it could mean he is fairing better than Tadic overall. I expect him to have a 2-5% lead over Tadic going into second round.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

If according to B92 this is a record turn out to vote and most of the voters are from central Serbia and not the city of Belgrade then Nikolic must have a considerable lead on Tadic and I mean a BIG lead, there may not have to be a run off vote in February. Nikolic's support is mostly in Central Serbia and not Belgrade and his chances of winning have increased much by the large turn out of voters. We'll see later tonight, and do doubt the EU and USA are going to cry foul, oh how predictable they are.

May the best man and may Serbia justly move forward toward a prosperous future and a Kosovo under its borders.

bganon

pre 16 godina

Another year in Serbia, another election. Forgive me for not being excited about it. The voting figures are interesting though - I'm wondering if having the election on a patron saint day proved to be a good thing, perhaps people are more likely to vote when they are visiting friends, or even they vote together?

Petar I can see you dont know much about the stock market if you think a fall is planned. To suggest that any investors plan to deliberately lose money - presumably just to upset SRS voters is simply ridiculous. As for Soros co-owned media, I'd like to know how many media outlets in Serbia you believe are co-owned by Soros and how many of these obviously evil propogandists would publish your comment?

Its a pity really because part of what you say might have an element of truth to it. You just spoil it by general bitterness (before the polls have even closed) and exaggeration.

Petar

pre 16 godina

Nikolic will have a big lead over Tadic in the first round. Then I expect EU rears its ugly head again this time considering signing SAA accord with Serbia to improve Tadic chances in the second round. Then I expect well orchestrated plan: A sudden dramatic decline of stock prices followed with NGO-proxies hitting the streets. And my favorite, Soros co-owned media late evening fairytales about Serbia, the primitive, dark, gloomy place somewhere in the pits below and beyond the golden gates of enlightened West, where barbarians of all sorts live. But however whoever receives Kostunica endorsement for the second round will emerge as the next president. And we all know who's he gonna support, not SRS.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

I as a neighbor of Serbia wish good luck to Serbia in choosing the president in these important times for Serbia and the region.
I hope that the elections go as good and peacefully as in Kosova.
I hope the best candidate wins.
I think the best candidates are Cedomir Jovanovic and second after him is Boris Tadic.

gjipe

pre 16 godina

There are very detailed data about the all the serbs that are participating from prisoners to the ones in Kosovo. However there are no data at all about the non-serbs that must vote to chose their president. The stress is being emphasized only regarding minorities in Kosovo but what about the non-serbs in Serbia. Or simply serbia is a homogeneous that does not need this kind of data. Regarding the future president pray god he won;t turn back in time and embraces some radical policies as it was claimed during electoral campaign....

Jossef

pre 16 godina

I wish prosperity for the Serb people.
Kosovo is holy for the Serbs as Jerusalem is for the jews.
Best regards for the Serbian nation from Israel.

Cygnus

pre 16 godina

gjipe,

All voters who vote in the federal electioins of Serbia are referred to as Serbians (Serbian nationals, not serbian ethnically) just like anyone voting in the USA's elections are referred to as Americans whether there background is Polish, Mexican, Albanian or whatever. What ever nation you are citizen of determines the moniker given to you, not your ethnicity. So please don't suggest that minorities are being ignored in Serbian elections.

Petar

pre 16 godina

Nikolic will have a big lead over Tadic in the first round. Then I expect EU rears its ugly head again this time considering signing SAA accord with Serbia to improve Tadic chances in the second round. Then I expect well orchestrated plan: A sudden dramatic decline of stock prices followed with NGO-proxies hitting the streets. And my favorite, Soros co-owned media late evening fairytales about Serbia, the primitive, dark, gloomy place somewhere in the pits below and beyond the golden gates of enlightened West, where barbarians of all sorts live. But however whoever receives Kostunica endorsement for the second round will emerge as the next president. And we all know who's he gonna support, not SRS.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

I guess Tadic will be signing that Gazprom deal quite soon aswell as telling the EU in no uncertain terms that Serbia is willing to be an equal partner but for that to happen all EU states must respect its sovereignity !

Canadian

pre 16 godina

If according to B92 this is a record turn out to vote and most of the voters are from central Serbia and not the city of Belgrade then Nikolic must have a considerable lead on Tadic and I mean a BIG lead, there may not have to be a run off vote in February. Nikolic's support is mostly in Central Serbia and not Belgrade and his chances of winning have increased much by the large turn out of voters. We'll see later tonight, and do doubt the EU and USA are going to cry foul, oh how predictable they are.

May the best man and may Serbia justly move forward toward a prosperous future and a Kosovo under its borders.

Petar

pre 16 godina

@bganon: "Petar I can see you dont know much about the stock market if you think a fall is planned."

Bganon i see you dont know much about Coup d'Etat. Do you remember when Nikolic was elected as Serbian parliament speaker last year, immediately sudden dramatic decline of stock prices followed. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=05&dd=09&nav_id=41136


@bganon: "As for Soros co-owned media, I'd like to know how many media outlets in Serbia you believe are co-owned by Soros."

Lets just say that in 1995, Sasha Vucinich went to George Soros and asked him for a half million dollars to start MDLF and help fund B92. These donors knew very well what the preconditions for a "revolution" were!

gjipe

pre 16 godina

There are very detailed data about the all the serbs that are participating from prisoners to the ones in Kosovo. However there are no data at all about the non-serbs that must vote to chose their president. The stress is being emphasized only regarding minorities in Kosovo but what about the non-serbs in Serbia. Or simply serbia is a homogeneous that does not need this kind of data. Regarding the future president pray god he won;t turn back in time and embraces some radical policies as it was claimed during electoral campaign....

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

I as a neighbor of Serbia wish good luck to Serbia in choosing the president in these important times for Serbia and the region.
I hope that the elections go as good and peacefully as in Kosova.
I hope the best candidate wins.
I think the best candidates are Cedomir Jovanovic and second after him is Boris Tadic.

Zoran

pre 16 godina

Go and vote Serbia! indulge yourself in the illusion of choice, it is not relevant that the choice has been already made for you. Tadic will win (please God let me be wrong!) I hate politicians, (with a few exceptions) my vote goes for the King, long live the Kingdom of the Serbs, all Serbs!

Go Green Bay Packers!

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Uli,

Please tell me where did I insult Albanian culture. I have never said anything in my entire life against Albanian culture, history and so on. I do have problem how Albanians treat people and their minorities but I have never insult anyones' culture, country or history. Please find any of my comments that particulary insult your country, culture and history. Do you think that I cherish and have respect only for rich and booming countries full of glowing comercials? Do you actually think that I do not appreciate the people and the culture of some poor countries? You gotta be kidding me. If I ever insulted your country anyhow be sure that it was unitentionaly. I may not agree with your claims and we may not share same vision over the Kosovo issue but I certainly do not insult.

BalkanUpdate

pre 16 godina

Central Serbia is Nikolic country, so if the turnout is higher there it could mean he is fairing better than Tadic overall. I expect him to have a 2-5% lead over Tadic going into second round.

Princip, uk

pre 16 godina

Good luck to all candidates!

No point in speculating as that is just reading into statistics which can say what ever you want them to say! Lets see what the actual result of the election is and not some straw poll!

The important thing is make sure your vote counts!

uli

pre 16 godina

mbrusila, stop insulting and talking bad about our culture, you are not in position to determine what colture is the best and act superior towards other cultures. in matter of fact you might have a miss conception of albania and albanian culture. albania has changed , economy is growing and cities are booming. I would recommend you to visit visit few cites on you tube and see more about albania and albanians. Sample. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYTtny0OP2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag3F8yV9qYA&feature=related

please watch them and hopefully you will be more open minded towards albanians and stop under estimating our culture.

bganon

pre 16 godina

Another year in Serbia, another election. Forgive me for not being excited about it. The voting figures are interesting though - I'm wondering if having the election on a patron saint day proved to be a good thing, perhaps people are more likely to vote when they are visiting friends, or even they vote together?

Petar I can see you dont know much about the stock market if you think a fall is planned. To suggest that any investors plan to deliberately lose money - presumably just to upset SRS voters is simply ridiculous. As for Soros co-owned media, I'd like to know how many media outlets in Serbia you believe are co-owned by Soros and how many of these obviously evil propogandists would publish your comment?

Its a pity really because part of what you say might have an element of truth to it. You just spoil it by general bitterness (before the polls have even closed) and exaggeration.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Miri,

Sorry if this comment insulted you but the truth sometimes might hurt. In addition, I don't know who werethe Serbs ashemd of thier nationality when outside Serbia. I never met not a one in my entire life. However, when ever I traveled, and I was and still travelling a lot abroad I have never been ashamed of who I am, where do I come form, on the contrary, I always emphasize and proudly say that I am a Serb. I feel sorry for those who are ashemed of their nationality

bganon

pre 16 godina

Petar with respect I see you dont know what a coup d'etat is either. Go look it up on the internet. If the market falls in any given country after an election / political event of some kind that is because investors are selling due to fears that their stock price will decrease. It happens in western countries too.

A coup d'etat is something completely different. What investors want is for their stocks to increase in value.

'Lets just say that in 1995, Sasha Vucinich went to George Soros and asked him for a half million dollars to start MDLF and help fund B92'

What this B92 you are contributing to? You are taking advantage of his money and system of information? (propoganda if you prefer) You are enriching the content and perhaps causing more people to visit something you claim to be against.

I dont have trouble respecting somebody for courage of their convictions even if I disagree with them. What I dont agree with is being totally against something but at the same time being a hypocrite by using it. Worse still the very fact that your posts are published and not repressed mean nothing?

Have you forgotten the way that RTS used to show only one side only?

Gunar Knob

pre 16 godina

No surprise. CeSid predicted it correctly , almost within a percentage point.
Let say on Feb. 3d Mr. Nikolic gets the Mr. Ilic's and Mr. Mrkonic's camp on his side and , thus, wins.
So what? Other than dismissing the Gen. Ponos from the Army post - not much he (or the Radicals) can change.
I don’t buy that islolation mantra everybody keeps repeating - these are no 90-ties any more.
If you have China, Russia and SAR on your side - hardly you can be considered "isolated".
EU (led by UK and Holland) has shown amazing amount of hatred towards the Serbs. Probably a leftover of Cold War and (wrongly) seeing the Serbs as mini-me of Russia.
In a way - maybe it is meant to be this way. Lets everybody goes their way and see how the future shakes out.

miri

pre 16 godina

To brumsila #19.

Here is an excerpt from a very agressive previous comment of yours that is extremely insulting.

"Serbian politicans cannot waste time by learning the language of ecah imigrant entering this country. They have better things to do and imigrants are obliged to learn the language of the country they are planning to live in in order to socialize and intagrate better. However, Albanians hardly can intagrate where ever they live and Serbia is not the only country having problem with this ethnic minority."

Just to add a spice to this comment. Serbs are those that feel shame to proclaim their nationality outside of Serbia. Serbs are those that are looked down as troublemakers in the west. I don't really want to get into an argument with you, because it's not worthy but you cross the line many times here.

gnjilanac

pre 16 godina

TO CYGNUS:
Kosovar Albanians were not included in voters list.
This clearly shows, they are not considered as citizens of Serbia. And guess what, this is good, not bad at all as we were never willing to be considered as such. Does this, somehow, explain the future of people living in Kosovo?!!! To me clear... Not citizens of Serbia... Citizens of Kosovo... hmmm... Do we miss something in here? Maybe a new state... Cheers

Petar

pre 16 godina

@bganon"Have you forgotten the way that RTS used to show only one side only?"

Your propaganda is more believable because of the periodic lucid reporting with clever indirections, misdirections, blended in with the absurd. It is much less formal and explicitly declared and therefore far more stealthy and successful.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

"A total of 6,708,697 citizens were eligible to vote – 112,861 of them registered in the southern province of Kosovo"

If there are around 113,000 Serbs registered to vote in Kosova, does that figure include both those living there and the IDP's in Serbia? And what proportion of the population is made up of registered voters.

I ask these informational questions in order to help us get a better handle on the abusrdly large figures regularly quoted by the UNHCR, direct from Serbian govt figures without having done its own surveys, of the numbers of Kosovar Serb IDPs in Serbia, figures which bear no relation to the numbvers of Serbs that lived in Kosova before 1999, based on official Serbian records.

So if the 113,000 registered voters represents, let's say, 60% of the Serb population (I doubt there are even 40% below 18 y.o.), then the total K Serb population in both Kosova and Serbia is less than 200,000 (ie, corresponding closely to official Serb government figures for the *total* numbers of K Serbs before 1999). And since there are around 120,00-130,000 Serbs in Kosova (again, based on Serb govt figures), then we have around 70-80,000 IDPs in Serbia, right, not the ridiculous "250,000" figures regularly quoted for propaganda purposes.

Just to clarify, I'm not making this point to downgrade the plight of even those 70-80,000 - they should all have the right to return, and I've never been one to underestimate their legitimate security concerns preventing return (though of course other issues, such as emploment, which affect all Kosovars, are also relevant).

If on the other hand, there are 113,000 registered Serb voters in Kosova itself, that would mean nearly 200,000 Serbs in Kosova, somewhat unlikely, but if true, it would mean much less even than the above 70-80,000 IDPs. Wonder which way the Serb posters would like to have it.

Bob

pre 16 godina

Milosevic lost Kosovo - Nikolic would reinforce that conclusion.

Politically and diplomatically with regard to Kosovo, Kostunica and Tadic have done the best that could be done in recent months.

It would be a messy process if Kosovo did declare independence, and Serbia could reserve the right to take back the territory at sometime in the future if 1244 is broken.

The EU should negotiate more seriously over the matter of governance. Strong autonomy is all that the Albanians would get as long as western troops remain in Kosovo - they would not be independent while being ruled by UN/EU/NATO.

Therefore there is actually lots of time if the EU diplomats decide to be more constructive about Serbia's needs than they have been so far.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

The victory of the Radical Nikolic is a BIG HUGE FAT reason why Kosova should get independence.
His victory shows that in Serbia the majority of people still think of "greater Serbia" at the expense of neighbors.
His victory shows that the majority in Serbia are still thinking for the past instead of for the future.
Nikolic's victory will bring some more dark years for Serbia.
By the way, is Serbia destined to suffer? Is she paying for what was done in her name? Can any serb answer please.

Orestes

pre 16 godina

Tomislav Nikolić will be Serbia's George W. Bush.

You may think he looks good on paper now, but just wait 5 years and see the damage he has wrought.

KS

pre 16 godina

I'm not sure whether to be excited that the loud mouth Tadic won't be in power anymore or to be super excited that the Radicals are wining. Whatever the outcome, this is a big win for us Kosovars.

May the best, man/woman win.

Beni

pre 16 godina

Even I am Kosovar I like Nikolic to win elektions. Why not? Lets see what he can do and which direction he will send Serbia. This way no body can say that Tadic was west ally and without serbian people will he made compromis to west about Kosova or any other issue. I think that Nikolic will say: Sorry folks but it was fault of Milosevic and after that Kostunica and Tadic why we can not prevent Kosova to be independent. Tadic would say I was in goog way to bring back Kosova into Serbian harms again bit Nikolic breaked everything. Dont you thing this is somehow planed to happen? Than who will be next holly fighter for Kosova?

bganon

pre 16 godina

Petar I dont represent B92.
Remember every post you make here (and is published) makes your argument look less principled and weaker.

If you really believe what you say explain why do you contribute? Are you not guilty of giving credance to this supposedly sophisticated propoganda?

swedish_alb

pre 16 godina

Such a good news. I hope Nikolic will win in the run off, it will be like a huge public proclamation "never more negotiations about Kosova". Lucky us in that case, Indipendence won't be disscused any more, probably the next issue will be Presheva, Bujanovci and Medvegja.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

I as a neighbor of Serbia wish good luck to Serbia in choosing the president in these important times for Serbia and the region.
I hope that the elections go as good and peacefully as in Kosova.
I hope the best candidate wins.
I think the best candidates are Cedomir Jovanovic and second after him is Boris Tadic.

gjipe

pre 16 godina

There are very detailed data about the all the serbs that are participating from prisoners to the ones in Kosovo. However there are no data at all about the non-serbs that must vote to chose their president. The stress is being emphasized only regarding minorities in Kosovo but what about the non-serbs in Serbia. Or simply serbia is a homogeneous that does not need this kind of data. Regarding the future president pray god he won;t turn back in time and embraces some radical policies as it was claimed during electoral campaign....

Zoran

pre 16 godina

Go and vote Serbia! indulge yourself in the illusion of choice, it is not relevant that the choice has been already made for you. Tadic will win (please God let me be wrong!) I hate politicians, (with a few exceptions) my vote goes for the King, long live the Kingdom of the Serbs, all Serbs!

Go Green Bay Packers!

uli

pre 16 godina

mbrusila, stop insulting and talking bad about our culture, you are not in position to determine what colture is the best and act superior towards other cultures. in matter of fact you might have a miss conception of albania and albanian culture. albania has changed , economy is growing and cities are booming. I would recommend you to visit visit few cites on you tube and see more about albania and albanians. Sample. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYTtny0OP2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag3F8yV9qYA&feature=related

please watch them and hopefully you will be more open minded towards albanians and stop under estimating our culture.

Princip, uk

pre 16 godina

Good luck to all candidates!

No point in speculating as that is just reading into statistics which can say what ever you want them to say! Lets see what the actual result of the election is and not some straw poll!

The important thing is make sure your vote counts!

Jossef

pre 16 godina

I wish prosperity for the Serb people.
Kosovo is holy for the Serbs as Jerusalem is for the jews.
Best regards for the Serbian nation from Israel.

Petar

pre 16 godina

Nikolic will have a big lead over Tadic in the first round. Then I expect EU rears its ugly head again this time considering signing SAA accord with Serbia to improve Tadic chances in the second round. Then I expect well orchestrated plan: A sudden dramatic decline of stock prices followed with NGO-proxies hitting the streets. And my favorite, Soros co-owned media late evening fairytales about Serbia, the primitive, dark, gloomy place somewhere in the pits below and beyond the golden gates of enlightened West, where barbarians of all sorts live. But however whoever receives Kostunica endorsement for the second round will emerge as the next president. And we all know who's he gonna support, not SRS.

bganon

pre 16 godina

Another year in Serbia, another election. Forgive me for not being excited about it. The voting figures are interesting though - I'm wondering if having the election on a patron saint day proved to be a good thing, perhaps people are more likely to vote when they are visiting friends, or even they vote together?

Petar I can see you dont know much about the stock market if you think a fall is planned. To suggest that any investors plan to deliberately lose money - presumably just to upset SRS voters is simply ridiculous. As for Soros co-owned media, I'd like to know how many media outlets in Serbia you believe are co-owned by Soros and how many of these obviously evil propogandists would publish your comment?

Its a pity really because part of what you say might have an element of truth to it. You just spoil it by general bitterness (before the polls have even closed) and exaggeration.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

If according to B92 this is a record turn out to vote and most of the voters are from central Serbia and not the city of Belgrade then Nikolic must have a considerable lead on Tadic and I mean a BIG lead, there may not have to be a run off vote in February. Nikolic's support is mostly in Central Serbia and not Belgrade and his chances of winning have increased much by the large turn out of voters. We'll see later tonight, and do doubt the EU and USA are going to cry foul, oh how predictable they are.

May the best man and may Serbia justly move forward toward a prosperous future and a Kosovo under its borders.

Cygnus

pre 16 godina

gjipe,

All voters who vote in the federal electioins of Serbia are referred to as Serbians (Serbian nationals, not serbian ethnically) just like anyone voting in the USA's elections are referred to as Americans whether there background is Polish, Mexican, Albanian or whatever. What ever nation you are citizen of determines the moniker given to you, not your ethnicity. So please don't suggest that minorities are being ignored in Serbian elections.

bganon

pre 16 godina

Petar with respect I see you dont know what a coup d'etat is either. Go look it up on the internet. If the market falls in any given country after an election / political event of some kind that is because investors are selling due to fears that their stock price will decrease. It happens in western countries too.

A coup d'etat is something completely different. What investors want is for their stocks to increase in value.

'Lets just say that in 1995, Sasha Vucinich went to George Soros and asked him for a half million dollars to start MDLF and help fund B92'

What this B92 you are contributing to? You are taking advantage of his money and system of information? (propoganda if you prefer) You are enriching the content and perhaps causing more people to visit something you claim to be against.

I dont have trouble respecting somebody for courage of their convictions even if I disagree with them. What I dont agree with is being totally against something but at the same time being a hypocrite by using it. Worse still the very fact that your posts are published and not repressed mean nothing?

Have you forgotten the way that RTS used to show only one side only?

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

"A total of 6,708,697 citizens were eligible to vote – 112,861 of them registered in the southern province of Kosovo"

If there are around 113,000 Serbs registered to vote in Kosova, does that figure include both those living there and the IDP's in Serbia? And what proportion of the population is made up of registered voters.

I ask these informational questions in order to help us get a better handle on the abusrdly large figures regularly quoted by the UNHCR, direct from Serbian govt figures without having done its own surveys, of the numbers of Kosovar Serb IDPs in Serbia, figures which bear no relation to the numbvers of Serbs that lived in Kosova before 1999, based on official Serbian records.

So if the 113,000 registered voters represents, let's say, 60% of the Serb population (I doubt there are even 40% below 18 y.o.), then the total K Serb population in both Kosova and Serbia is less than 200,000 (ie, corresponding closely to official Serb government figures for the *total* numbers of K Serbs before 1999). And since there are around 120,00-130,000 Serbs in Kosova (again, based on Serb govt figures), then we have around 70-80,000 IDPs in Serbia, right, not the ridiculous "250,000" figures regularly quoted for propaganda purposes.

Just to clarify, I'm not making this point to downgrade the plight of even those 70-80,000 - they should all have the right to return, and I've never been one to underestimate their legitimate security concerns preventing return (though of course other issues, such as emploment, which affect all Kosovars, are also relevant).

If on the other hand, there are 113,000 registered Serb voters in Kosova itself, that would mean nearly 200,000 Serbs in Kosova, somewhat unlikely, but if true, it would mean much less even than the above 70-80,000 IDPs. Wonder which way the Serb posters would like to have it.

KS

pre 16 godina

I'm not sure whether to be excited that the loud mouth Tadic won't be in power anymore or to be super excited that the Radicals are wining. Whatever the outcome, this is a big win for us Kosovars.

May the best, man/woman win.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

The victory of the Radical Nikolic is a BIG HUGE FAT reason why Kosova should get independence.
His victory shows that in Serbia the majority of people still think of "greater Serbia" at the expense of neighbors.
His victory shows that the majority in Serbia are still thinking for the past instead of for the future.
Nikolic's victory will bring some more dark years for Serbia.
By the way, is Serbia destined to suffer? Is she paying for what was done in her name? Can any serb answer please.

miri

pre 16 godina

To brumsila #19.

Here is an excerpt from a very agressive previous comment of yours that is extremely insulting.

"Serbian politicans cannot waste time by learning the language of ecah imigrant entering this country. They have better things to do and imigrants are obliged to learn the language of the country they are planning to live in in order to socialize and intagrate better. However, Albanians hardly can intagrate where ever they live and Serbia is not the only country having problem with this ethnic minority."

Just to add a spice to this comment. Serbs are those that feel shame to proclaim their nationality outside of Serbia. Serbs are those that are looked down as troublemakers in the west. I don't really want to get into an argument with you, because it's not worthy but you cross the line many times here.

Beni

pre 16 godina

Even I am Kosovar I like Nikolic to win elektions. Why not? Lets see what he can do and which direction he will send Serbia. This way no body can say that Tadic was west ally and without serbian people will he made compromis to west about Kosova or any other issue. I think that Nikolic will say: Sorry folks but it was fault of Milosevic and after that Kostunica and Tadic why we can not prevent Kosova to be independent. Tadic would say I was in goog way to bring back Kosova into Serbian harms again bit Nikolic breaked everything. Dont you thing this is somehow planed to happen? Than who will be next holly fighter for Kosova?

gnjilanac

pre 16 godina

TO CYGNUS:
Kosovar Albanians were not included in voters list.
This clearly shows, they are not considered as citizens of Serbia. And guess what, this is good, not bad at all as we were never willing to be considered as such. Does this, somehow, explain the future of people living in Kosovo?!!! To me clear... Not citizens of Serbia... Citizens of Kosovo... hmmm... Do we miss something in here? Maybe a new state... Cheers

BalkanUpdate

pre 16 godina

Central Serbia is Nikolic country, so if the turnout is higher there it could mean he is fairing better than Tadic overall. I expect him to have a 2-5% lead over Tadic going into second round.

Petar

pre 16 godina

@bganon: "Petar I can see you dont know much about the stock market if you think a fall is planned."

Bganon i see you dont know much about Coup d'Etat. Do you remember when Nikolic was elected as Serbian parliament speaker last year, immediately sudden dramatic decline of stock prices followed. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=05&dd=09&nav_id=41136


@bganon: "As for Soros co-owned media, I'd like to know how many media outlets in Serbia you believe are co-owned by Soros."

Lets just say that in 1995, Sasha Vucinich went to George Soros and asked him for a half million dollars to start MDLF and help fund B92. These donors knew very well what the preconditions for a "revolution" were!

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

I guess Tadic will be signing that Gazprom deal quite soon aswell as telling the EU in no uncertain terms that Serbia is willing to be an equal partner but for that to happen all EU states must respect its sovereignity !

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Uli,

Please tell me where did I insult Albanian culture. I have never said anything in my entire life against Albanian culture, history and so on. I do have problem how Albanians treat people and their minorities but I have never insult anyones' culture, country or history. Please find any of my comments that particulary insult your country, culture and history. Do you think that I cherish and have respect only for rich and booming countries full of glowing comercials? Do you actually think that I do not appreciate the people and the culture of some poor countries? You gotta be kidding me. If I ever insulted your country anyhow be sure that it was unitentionaly. I may not agree with your claims and we may not share same vision over the Kosovo issue but I certainly do not insult.

Petar

pre 16 godina

@bganon"Have you forgotten the way that RTS used to show only one side only?"

Your propaganda is more believable because of the periodic lucid reporting with clever indirections, misdirections, blended in with the absurd. It is much less formal and explicitly declared and therefore far more stealthy and successful.

Orestes

pre 16 godina

Tomislav Nikolić will be Serbia's George W. Bush.

You may think he looks good on paper now, but just wait 5 years and see the damage he has wrought.

Gunar Knob

pre 16 godina

No surprise. CeSid predicted it correctly , almost within a percentage point.
Let say on Feb. 3d Mr. Nikolic gets the Mr. Ilic's and Mr. Mrkonic's camp on his side and , thus, wins.
So what? Other than dismissing the Gen. Ponos from the Army post - not much he (or the Radicals) can change.
I don’t buy that islolation mantra everybody keeps repeating - these are no 90-ties any more.
If you have China, Russia and SAR on your side - hardly you can be considered "isolated".
EU (led by UK and Holland) has shown amazing amount of hatred towards the Serbs. Probably a leftover of Cold War and (wrongly) seeing the Serbs as mini-me of Russia.
In a way - maybe it is meant to be this way. Lets everybody goes their way and see how the future shakes out.

Bob

pre 16 godina

Milosevic lost Kosovo - Nikolic would reinforce that conclusion.

Politically and diplomatically with regard to Kosovo, Kostunica and Tadic have done the best that could be done in recent months.

It would be a messy process if Kosovo did declare independence, and Serbia could reserve the right to take back the territory at sometime in the future if 1244 is broken.

The EU should negotiate more seriously over the matter of governance. Strong autonomy is all that the Albanians would get as long as western troops remain in Kosovo - they would not be independent while being ruled by UN/EU/NATO.

Therefore there is actually lots of time if the EU diplomats decide to be more constructive about Serbia's needs than they have been so far.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Miri,

Sorry if this comment insulted you but the truth sometimes might hurt. In addition, I don't know who werethe Serbs ashemd of thier nationality when outside Serbia. I never met not a one in my entire life. However, when ever I traveled, and I was and still travelling a lot abroad I have never been ashamed of who I am, where do I come form, on the contrary, I always emphasize and proudly say that I am a Serb. I feel sorry for those who are ashemed of their nationality

bganon

pre 16 godina

Petar I dont represent B92.
Remember every post you make here (and is published) makes your argument look less principled and weaker.

If you really believe what you say explain why do you contribute? Are you not guilty of giving credance to this supposedly sophisticated propoganda?

swedish_alb

pre 16 godina

Such a good news. I hope Nikolic will win in the run off, it will be like a huge public proclamation "never more negotiations about Kosova". Lucky us in that case, Indipendence won't be disscused any more, probably the next issue will be Presheva, Bujanovci and Medvegja.