Southern EU member-state foreign ministers to discuss Kosovo

That is all you can do ladies and gentlemen, just to discuss and discuss to eternity without reaching any unified agreement on Kosovo. Just discuss, we don't mind your disussion. Evry discussion on Kosovo is pure failure becuse each discussion of yours is based on how to painlessly breach the law. And what ever you concive it lead you back to beginning, to the UNSC resolution, therefore back to the law.

“All roads lead to Ahtisaari,“ said the Dutch MP, adding that in Kosovo’s case Holland would not be problematic, while both the Dutch and Slovenian governments would “press“ for EU unity."

Not the road from the UNSC where Ahtisaari's proposals are already considered dead and buried.

"The Slovenian foreign minister said that progress had been made, but that the system was complicated and that the Dutch parliament played an important role."

the parliaments of Romania, Greece, Slovakia, Cyprus etc. play an important role either!

no need to play theathre, things are quite clear - international law RULES...

To bmrusila:
I really dont understand you when you say:"Breaching the law".
When did Serbia cared about upholding the law.
Was it legal to start a war with Slovenia ,Croatia,Bosnia,Kosova.
You should not be puting coments here,you should apologize to all people of balkans in the name of personal goodnes if you have any in you.

To Maks, You say your people never drove any other people from their home. Where are the 40000 pre war Serb residents of Pristina? Not a single Serbs still resides in the capital of your Dardinia? What about the 250000 ethnically cleansed Serb and Roma citizens that your people ethnically cleansed from dardinia, could it be possible that they were all war criminals? Grandmothers and small children? What about the 150 religious UNECO shines your glorious countrymen destroyed! Shame on you!

Actually KS, if you read the other article regarding the recent debate in the UNSC, only six security council members currently support the
Ahtisaari's plan. That's 3 less UNSC members than what you had in July 2007!

This means that even if russia and china don't veto, artisaari's failed plan still couldn't get approved at the UNSC, because you don't even the majority
vote! As far as the UNSC is concerned, Kosovo's illegal UDI supporters are in the minority now! This is huge!

Furthermore, none of Serbia's core supporters in the EU (Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Spain,Slovakia) are showing any sign of backing down, and supporting the Albanians illegal UDI in Kosovo. Any 1 EU member can veto the EU mission to Kosovo, that is why EU unity is so essential, and without it, the EU as a whole can do NOTHING!

Without any EU mission, there is no chance of adopting Ahtisaari's failed plan, becuse the whole thing is based on the EU mission replacing UNMIK in the first place! Ahtisaari's plan is dead, dead, dead!!! Kosovo is Serbia!

EU will accept Kosova Independence. Finaly Dardanians will be free. Independent Kosova (Dardania) will definitely work toward the Balkan peace. More then 1300 years repression by Serbs and Turks did not eliminate them from their land. They always will return like Jewish did to the Holy Land after thousands years. Dardania was their land and will be their land no matter what. Their history is not 1300 years under Serbs and Turks; their history is more then that. Their history is 3500 years civilization. Their most ancient language was prohibited for 1300 years but survived like will survive their spirit and hope for freedom and prosperity. Their life was not easy and history was merciless for them like for Jewish too. But like them, they will prevail because they are at their 3500 years old land; they are at their own land. They never took someone else land.
Many people refer to this land history starting from 10th or 13th century. My friends what about 1st century? Why we don’t start at least from 1st century or earlier? Aha, there were not Serbs in this area in 1st century that’s why. Who was there then? Illyrian-Dardanian were the first messengers of Christianity at Illyrian territories are now ”unwanted” to live in their centuries old land to be independent to manage their own home, land, people? Sure they deserve the freedom and independence.
Illyrian-Dardanians (Kosovo-Albanians) have nothing to do with terrorism or Islamism. Islamism was forced to them from Ottoman Turks and being between two enemies Serbs and Turks, they adopted the religions of big enemy to survive from assimilation from long-time colonialists (Serbs), that’s why the religion never play the determination role for Albanians. Albanian’s religion is Albanianism.
There has been history recycles. Illyrians will wait for theirs. Time will pass and we will be free in our own original land. We will not live to see this. Generations of Illyrians (Dardans, Albans, Epiriots, etc.) descents will have to pass until the time will come. This is only the start. We never forced others out of their homes, the others did. We will never do. God will decide as He protected us for 3500 years. The time will come. If freedom of speech is important to B92 then don't censure this comment.

Not the road from the UNSC where Ahtisaari's proposals are already considered dead and buried.
(lowe, 17 January 2008 13:07)

The only player dead since 1999 is Milo "the butcher". Ahtisaari is alive, and his plan is even more gaining ground.

What do you know about law?

uncletonny,

Sorry but I cannot help you if you cannot understand. Try harder next time. Don't know what kind of appologize you are talking about. I don't feel like I was supposed to applogize to anyone for anything. I have done nothing wrong.

And you certainly cannot stop me from talking out loud and leaving the comments anywhere I like.

One can not make claims to a land due to "who was there first". No one was there first between the mass migrations of Greeks, celts, visogoths, ostrogoths, saxons, angles, picts, scots, maygars, etc. The accords of the international community must be upheld for the sake of international peace and stability. We can not redraw the borders of Europe, or the world for that matter, based on the "reawakining" of a people to their supposed "great" civilization. That is the dangerous nationalism.

"Right now, the Kosova Government offers its' minorities the most power than any minority in Europe (FACT). " - KS

Wrong KS. The Albanians in Kosovo offer Serbs and others NOTHING, not even the right to live, work, move around, and worship freely. This is evident by the FACT that Albanians have terrorized and dispalaced 2/3 of the non-albanians from Kosoovo, totalling nearly 230,000 people, or 11% of Kosovo's total population! Let not forget that Albanians have also destroyed over 150 Orthodox Churches over the past 8 years.

The truth is that SERBIA offered it's minority (Albanians) in Kosovo MORE POWER THAN ANY MINORITY IN THE WORLD(FACT) during the recent negotiations, which the Albanians refused, opting instead to continue their persuit of an illegal, ethinically pure (Albanians only), narco-terrorist, Nato puppet state (FACT).

" The Ahtisaari plan offers the most power for minorities such as the Kosovar - Serbs in the WORLD (FACT)." -KS

Actually, the dead Ahtisaari plan offered the Serbs nothing that isn't already guaranteed to them by UNSC Resolution 1244. That document already guarantees the Serbs & non-Albanians the right to return, equality, freedom of movement, religious freedom, protection of cultural heritage, and so forth.
Obviously Nato and UNMIK have failed to implement these conditions, while Albanians have systematically terrorized and expelled all others from Kosovo, and later usurped their property to prevent the expelled from returning. (FACT)


"The Ahtisaari plan is more of an "independence" illusion in reality..it's more of a compromise. "

It is not a compromise to steal Serbia's land, set up a Nato puppet state for Albanians there, and in exchange offer Serbia nothing, except for already broken promises that serbs can return, have rights & freedoms, and be treated equally; which Ahtisarri, Nato, and the UN already guaranteed to Serbia (UNSC Res. 1244), and failed miserably to deliver.
Stealing Serbian Land in exchange for the same broken promises that Marti made 9 years ago is NOT a compromise, and most of the UNSC knows this (9 out of 15 members). (FACT)

And yes KS, Kosovo is Serbia.
I don't need Serbianna to tell me that, all I have to do is look at a map.

"Legaleye, what about you telling the truth even if it means for once in your lifetime?
Here is a link where even your own head of church says it was 35 churches destroyed.
[link]

Here is another one, 17 churches.
[link]

And if that didn't help then have look at this, maybe this link [link]
will make you think twice before you come and give numbers.Only then come and say shame to those who need be.

I think you and canadian are very good at numbers :)
(Flamur,UK, 18 January 2008 04:40) "

So maybe it was 35 or 17 churches that was destroyed ..... and destroyed only out of ethnic hate ...... isn't these numbers still a lot?????

What about the 150 religious UNECO shines your glorious countrymen destroyed! Shame on you!
(legaleye, 17 January 2008 21:12)


Legaleye, what about you telling the truth even if it means for once in your lifetime?
Here is a link where even your own head of church says it was 35 churches destroyed.
http://www.kosovo.net/default1.html

Here is another one, 17 churches.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1100727/posts

And if that didn't help then have look at this, maybe this link http://www.unesco.org/courier/2000_09/uk/signe.htm
will make you think twice before you come and give numbers.Only then come and say shame to those who need be.

I think you and canadian are very good at numbers :)

"The only player dead since 1999 is Milo "the butcher". Ahtisaari is alive, and his plan is even more gaining ground.

What do you know about law?
(KS, 17 January 2008 18:08)"

What do I know about the law? Well, I know that 1244 is still alive and kicking. Now what do YOU know about the law?????

Rod, Serbianna is clearly not a viable source of news or information. Please read the Ahtisaari plan before acting on interpretations of some Serbian media "gazet".

Right now, the Kosova Government offers its' minorities the most power than any minority in Europe (FACT).
The Ahtisaari plan offers the most power for minorities such as the Kosovar - Serbs in the WORLD (FACT). The Ahtisaari plan is more of an "independence" illusion in reality..it's more of a compromise. The reason why Kosovars press for it so much is because they are willing to take that than have Serb boot or Serbs like you and the rest of Serb Camp scream "Kosovo is Serbian".

Also I have no clue where you get the idea that Ahtisaari plan only has a few supporters. No clue at all.

EU will accept Kosova Independence. Finaly Dardanians will be free. Independent Kosova (Dardania) will definitely work toward the Balkan peace. More then 1300 years repression by Serbs and Turks did not eliminate them from their land. They always will return like Jewish did to the Holy Land after thousands years. Dardania was their land and will be their land no matter what. Their history is not 1300 years under Serbs and Turks; their history is more then that. Their history is 3500 years civilization. Their most ancient language was prohibited for 1300 years but survived like will survive their spirit and hope for freedom and prosperity. Their life was not easy and history was merciless for them like for Jewish too. But like them, they will prevail because they are at their 3500 years old land; they are at their own land. They never took someone else land.
Many people refer to this land history starting from 10th or 13th century. My friends what about 1st century? Why we don’t start at least from 1st century or earlier? Aha, there were not Serbs in this area in 1st century that’s why. Who was there then? Illyrian-Dardanian were the first messengers of Christianity at Illyrian territories are now ”unwanted” to live in their centuries old land to be independent to manage their own home, land, people? Sure they deserve the freedom and independence.
Illyrian-Dardanians (Kosovo-Albanians) have nothing to do with terrorism or Islamism. Islamism was forced to them from Ottoman Turks and being between two enemies Serbs and Turks, they adopted the religions of big enemy to survive from assimilation from long-time colonialists (Serbs), that’s why the religion never play the determination role for Albanians. Albanian’s religion is Albanianism.
There has been history recycles. Illyrians will wait for theirs. Time will pass and we will be free in our own original land. We will not live to see this. Generations of Illyrians (Dardans, Albans, Epiriots, etc.) descents will have to pass until the time will come. This is only the start. We never forced others out of their homes, the others did. We will never do. God will decide as He protected us for 3500 years. The time will come. If freedom of speech is important to B92 then don't censure this comment.

To bmrusila:
I really dont understand you when you say:"Breaching the law".
When did Serbia cared about upholding the law.
Was it legal to start a war with Slovenia ,Croatia,Bosnia,Kosova.
You should not be puting coments here,you should apologize to all people of balkans in the name of personal goodnes if you have any in you.

Not the road from the UNSC where Ahtisaari's proposals are already considered dead and buried.
(lowe, 17 January 2008 13:07)

The only player dead since 1999 is Milo "the butcher". Ahtisaari is alive, and his plan is even more gaining ground.

What do you know about law?

“All roads lead to Ahtisaari,“ said the Dutch MP, adding that in Kosovo’s case Holland would not be problematic, while both the Dutch and Slovenian governments would “press“ for EU unity."

Not the road from the UNSC where Ahtisaari's proposals are already considered dead and buried.

That is all you can do ladies and gentlemen, just to discuss and discuss to eternity without reaching any unified agreement on Kosovo. Just discuss, we don't mind your disussion. Evry discussion on Kosovo is pure failure becuse each discussion of yours is based on how to painlessly breach the law. And what ever you concive it lead you back to beginning, to the UNSC resolution, therefore back to the law.

"The Slovenian foreign minister said that progress had been made, but that the system was complicated and that the Dutch parliament played an important role."

the parliaments of Romania, Greece, Slovakia, Cyprus etc. play an important role either!

no need to play theathre, things are quite clear - international law RULES...

Actually KS, if you read the other article regarding the recent debate in the UNSC, only six security council members currently support the
Ahtisaari's plan. That's 3 less UNSC members than what you had in July 2007!

This means that even if russia and china don't veto, artisaari's failed plan still couldn't get approved at the UNSC, because you don't even the majority
vote! As far as the UNSC is concerned, Kosovo's illegal UDI supporters are in the minority now! This is huge!

Furthermore, none of Serbia's core supporters in the EU (Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Spain,Slovakia) are showing any sign of backing down, and supporting the Albanians illegal UDI in Kosovo. Any 1 EU member can veto the EU mission to Kosovo, that is why EU unity is so essential, and without it, the EU as a whole can do NOTHING!

Without any EU mission, there is no chance of adopting Ahtisaari's failed plan, becuse the whole thing is based on the EU mission replacing UNMIK in the first place! Ahtisaari's plan is dead, dead, dead!!! Kosovo is Serbia!

Rod, Serbianna is clearly not a viable source of news or information. Please read the Ahtisaari plan before acting on interpretations of some Serbian media "gazet".

Right now, the Kosova Government offers its' minorities the most power than any minority in Europe (FACT).
The Ahtisaari plan offers the most power for minorities such as the Kosovar - Serbs in the WORLD (FACT). The Ahtisaari plan is more of an "independence" illusion in reality..it's more of a compromise. The reason why Kosovars press for it so much is because they are willing to take that than have Serb boot or Serbs like you and the rest of Serb Camp scream "Kosovo is Serbian".

Also I have no clue where you get the idea that Ahtisaari plan only has a few supporters. No clue at all.

What about the 150 religious UNECO shines your glorious countrymen destroyed! Shame on you!
(legaleye, 17 January 2008 21:12)


Legaleye, what about you telling the truth even if it means for once in your lifetime?
Here is a link where even your own head of church says it was 35 churches destroyed.
http://www.kosovo.net/default1.html

Here is another one, 17 churches.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1100727/posts

And if that didn't help then have look at this, maybe this link http://www.unesco.org/courier/2000_09/uk/signe.htm
will make you think twice before you come and give numbers.Only then come and say shame to those who need be.

I think you and canadian are very good at numbers :)

uncletonny,

Sorry but I cannot help you if you cannot understand. Try harder next time. Don't know what kind of appologize you are talking about. I don't feel like I was supposed to applogize to anyone for anything. I have done nothing wrong.

And you certainly cannot stop me from talking out loud and leaving the comments anywhere I like.

To Maks, You say your people never drove any other people from their home. Where are the 40000 pre war Serb residents of Pristina? Not a single Serbs still resides in the capital of your Dardinia? What about the 250000 ethnically cleansed Serb and Roma citizens that your people ethnically cleansed from dardinia, could it be possible that they were all war criminals? Grandmothers and small children? What about the 150 religious UNECO shines your glorious countrymen destroyed! Shame on you!

One can not make claims to a land due to "who was there first". No one was there first between the mass migrations of Greeks, celts, visogoths, ostrogoths, saxons, angles, picts, scots, maygars, etc. The accords of the international community must be upheld for the sake of international peace and stability. We can not redraw the borders of Europe, or the world for that matter, based on the "reawakining" of a people to their supposed "great" civilization. That is the dangerous nationalism.

"Right now, the Kosova Government offers its' minorities the most power than any minority in Europe (FACT). " - KS

Wrong KS. The Albanians in Kosovo offer Serbs and others NOTHING, not even the right to live, work, move around, and worship freely. This is evident by the FACT that Albanians have terrorized and dispalaced 2/3 of the non-albanians from Kosoovo, totalling nearly 230,000 people, or 11% of Kosovo's total population! Let not forget that Albanians have also destroyed over 150 Orthodox Churches over the past 8 years.

The truth is that SERBIA offered it's minority (Albanians) in Kosovo MORE POWER THAN ANY MINORITY IN THE WORLD(FACT) during the recent negotiations, which the Albanians refused, opting instead to continue their persuit of an illegal, ethinically pure (Albanians only), narco-terrorist, Nato puppet state (FACT).

" The Ahtisaari plan offers the most power for minorities such as the Kosovar - Serbs in the WORLD (FACT)." -KS

Actually, the dead Ahtisaari plan offered the Serbs nothing that isn't already guaranteed to them by UNSC Resolution 1244. That document already guarantees the Serbs & non-Albanians the right to return, equality, freedom of movement, religious freedom, protection of cultural heritage, and so forth.
Obviously Nato and UNMIK have failed to implement these conditions, while Albanians have systematically terrorized and expelled all others from Kosovo, and later usurped their property to prevent the expelled from returning. (FACT)


"The Ahtisaari plan is more of an "independence" illusion in reality..it's more of a compromise. "

It is not a compromise to steal Serbia's land, set up a Nato puppet state for Albanians there, and in exchange offer Serbia nothing, except for already broken promises that serbs can return, have rights & freedoms, and be treated equally; which Ahtisarri, Nato, and the UN already guaranteed to Serbia (UNSC Res. 1244), and failed miserably to deliver.
Stealing Serbian Land in exchange for the same broken promises that Marti made 9 years ago is NOT a compromise, and most of the UNSC knows this (9 out of 15 members). (FACT)

And yes KS, Kosovo is Serbia.
I don't need Serbianna to tell me that, all I have to do is look at a map.

"The only player dead since 1999 is Milo "the butcher". Ahtisaari is alive, and his plan is even more gaining ground.

What do you know about law?
(KS, 17 January 2008 18:08)"

What do I know about the law? Well, I know that 1244 is still alive and kicking. Now what do YOU know about the law?????

"Legaleye, what about you telling the truth even if it means for once in your lifetime?
Here is a link where even your own head of church says it was 35 churches destroyed.
[link]

Here is another one, 17 churches.
[link]

And if that didn't help then have look at this, maybe this link [link]
will make you think twice before you come and give numbers.Only then come and say shame to those who need be.

I think you and canadian are very good at numbers :)
(Flamur,UK, 18 January 2008 04:40) "

So maybe it was 35 or 17 churches that was destroyed ..... and destroyed only out of ethnic hate ...... isn't these numbers still a lot?????