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Thursday, 10.01.2008.

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Tadić: Serbia wants both Kosovo and EU

President Boris Tadić says that Serbia will not turn its back on Kosovo or its European prospects.

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Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

Daniel Fried puts this in the best way when he says that " Serbia has long time lost Kosova and that now Serbia can not choose between Kosova or EU but between EU and isolation since Kosova is already lost for Serbia"
Thanks Mr. Daniel Fried.

Tim Begu

pre 16 godina

Serbian politicians have been leading Serbia straight to hell with their nationalistic propaganda.
They won't look back and try to figure out what happened to the once flourishing Yugoslavia, instead of blaming the individual states for the breakup, and not their selfish leaders.
The Mickey-mouse Serb politicians have destroyed any credibility to anything being signed by any Serbian politician (any signing is not worth the paper written on).
Now the same nationalistic talk is in the air, and Russia is patting Serbia’s back, but don’t forget, Russia also had your back when US and EU was bombing strategic targets within Serbia.
As for Serbia’s acceptance to EU, while murderers and killers of Croatians, Bosnians and Albanians live free within Serbia, it will not happen.
The Kosovo issue is a done deal because USA and EU say so, get on with it. Kosovo Albanian politicians have shown union, maturity, goals and credibility (something lacking on the Serbian side).

mark

pre 16 godina

I'm constantly intrigued by the daily repetition by your K-Albanian posters of such phrases as "Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again" or "Kosovo is lost forever" etc etc. It's as if they are trying to convince themselves and believe that if they repeat these things often enough, they'll come true.
Sorry folks but life isn't like that.
You 'd be better off thinking about what you'll do as the year goes on....and on....and on...and, my God, you are still part of Serbia. We can only hope that your response to this scenario will be considered, mature and peaceful.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 10 January 2008 14:26)

tom,
albanians don't have to convince themselves of anything when it comes to kosove. the road has already been paved and we will soon be driving down it's path.
the irony here is that you and your serbian cohorts are attempting, in vain, to convince yourselves that you have this "ace" up your sleeve that in the last possible moment you will pull it and it will save kosove. open your eyes...we all know what happens when you chase cards.
save what little you have left and fold those cards.
that's sound advice.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Miri count... I am the way you see me is bcause of the way your people prejudged me because of my ethnicity. They didnt know my name but the found out I was Serbian and treated me with hatred before they even new me personly. My friend had a Serbian flag hanging from his rearview mirror. While driveing down I-75 a car pulled up next to him waveing a gun. They were Albanian. They had the Albanian eagles on the back window. So he waved his cell phone and called the cops. They were arested after a short high speed chase. Why miri ? My friend was just driveing minding his own business when they saw the Serbian flag and pulled a gun on him because he was Serbian. Why miri? The prejudged him beause of his ethnicity. Why? They didnt even know him. But they new he may be Serbian. Is that all it takes for Albanians. I work with Albanians, older people and we respect each other and have no problems, their all from Kosovo. I hope you understand me alittle better and why I am the way I am. ;-)

adrian, timisoara, Romania

pre 16 godina

Of course, Luciano, i know about teh crimes romanians committed to jews, and i-m ashamed of that. Yes, and we have our own right-wing (well, nazi) organisation,called "Noua Dreapta", but that doesen`t make them different from their serbian counterparts. Idiots ARE idiots, there is no national difference.

Gjon Cima

pre 16 godina

Let me invoke a historical fact: I've seen the Serb Kingdom history and maps; for the very first time Kosova was included in the Serb Map in 1913.
It never was part of the Serb Map before that.

From 1878 till 1913 Serbia was represented by General Consulate in Pristina.

Go and see the history and come back to the blog again to talk together.

miri

pre 16 godina

Delije, I expect almost every Serb to have some prejudice about Albanians but you in particular seem to be obsessed with them. Are you stalking Albanians in Detroit? Are you chasing them and marking the models of their cars? Are you actually getting in the office of Deeds and checking what houses do they buy? Have you ever seen how Serbs live in Toronto? (This is the only place where I have seen a Serb community from close by and what astonished me was their categorical refusal to mingle with the local population. They always stayed in groups with themselves and spoke loudly in serbian)

Just wanted to give Delije a taste of how it feels when you stalk people.

luciano

pre 16 godina

All groups have their angels and demons but no Jew needs to be told to read which groups in Europe had more demons than angels.The Jewish people lived with all of them so thanks for the reading advice but maybe you would be better off talking to Jews from all those countries.Adrian ever hear of Elie Wiesel?Or did you only learn about Antonescu?Shalom

Fellis

pre 16 godina

To all Delije:
It will be much better for Albanians in Kosovo to live in the poverty (which will not happen, as you wish), than to live with Serbs in Serbia. Even your Montenegros could not live with you, how do you expect Kosovars to live in serbia.No chance anymore.
If K-albanians are patient, they are not stupid.

lili

pre 16 godina

to luciano,you should read more about the topic and you will learn that antijews laws were past in serbia before hitler did so by the kingdom of yu!you should read about nedic ljotic and the zbor mouvement"you should read about sjmiste camp and all the other ones...
and just remember that when all europe,yu kingdom include,was purshasing jews,king zog tool a jewish photographer as officiel photographer of the albanian court,queen geraldine took a jewish doktor as her personnel dokter,and the princess of albania took each of her, a chauffeur of jewish origine,telling by this way how to behave with honor and dignity!
israel just a few months ago did thank our country in yash vaddem,as israel did thank our country for behing the only one in europe rescuing all the jews in albania.
Truth and Dignity are always rewarded.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Ok miri you worry about the poverty in Kosovo. Since it was the K-Albanians that cause their poverty. 8 years of Serbless interfearence & it's no better even thou billions were pumped in & nothing to show for it. You cant blame the Serbs, like they say all the money went into the Serbian police & army in Kosovo & not the people. I think even pre 99 like now the top K-Albanians squanderd the money that was intended for the people of Kosovo. Its all about the money when it comes to the Albanians. Here in metro Detroit its the same, who has the newer Benz, the biggest house, the better cony island etc. And that compitition is among Albanians alone and thats at all cost to be on top. Leagle or illegal to get what they want. Kinda sounds like whats going on now in Kosovo. Even thou indep is illegal the Albanians will take it. Albanians consider themself above the law. In Kosovo and here in the US. How can anyone help you in Kosovo when you cant help yourself from each other. Kosovo is one big money pit.

adrian, timisoara, Romania

pre 16 godina

Luciano, of course all of your neighbours have their own "Czar Lazar Guard". It´s not hard to find some right-wing idiots. But what makes them different to Serbia?

luciano

pre 16 godina

Fascism is on the rise today in the same neighboring countries that conspired with Nazi criminals during WW2 against Serbs and Jews.These Joes aspire to pull the wool over uninformed people's eyes who have no memory of the real 20th century history.The Serbs need to stand tall like you have always done against fascists and thieves and you will never lose Kosovo-your Jerusalem.Shalom

Tom O'Donoghue

pre 16 godina

Joe,
Let me guess, you're either American or British. If I'm wrong maybe you'd like to tell us, and we can discuss the meanings of the words "maturity" and "importance".

Joe

pre 16 godina

Tom,

As a non-Albanian I would like to advise you not to patronize the K-Albanians. They showed a high amount of maturity in presence of Serbian provocations and they know exactly what to expect in the near future.
And guess what....they will and can reach all their goals without the support of the Irish. I don't want to burst your bubble but that illustrates the importance of your country.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

Mr. Tadic and co. still think and talk about Kosova, which is already gonne. They should worry more about a "stronger Vojvodina" and Sandjak entity and Presevo Valley and...Russian-cheap-buyers, etc, etc.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

As much as I have grown to admire Tadic in recent months I think his strategy in wanting to keep both Kosovo and join the EU is wrong and will back fire on him when the citizens of Serbia go to the poles.

One usually does not join a club that steals 15% of your land and prior to that bombs you for 78 days.

Tadic should ask Bulgaria and Romania, even Slovenia how the EU has benefited their countries. There are more con's than pro's in joining this smug club if you are a small country and most citizens of Serbia know this now.

I am afraid that Tadic's strategy is going to give the radicals a narrow win over him, come February.

I have spent many months in Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia and have not noticed a significant difference in the standard of living between these three countries, in both Bulgaria and Romania the rich have become richer and the poor have become poorer since joining the EU. The middle class makes more money than ever before, but than the cost of living has never been as high as it has since joining the EU, so the end result is equal to what it was before, other than that there is a lot more relaxed travel requirements now that these counties have joined the EU but than again you need money to travel so that benefit is meaningless to most Bulgarians and Romanians, even Slovenians.

It is true that the old Yugoslavia was bleeding Slovenia dry while Yugoslavia existed but now its the BIG EU countries, UK, France, Germany and even Italy that are bleeding Slovenia dry!

As for Kosovo ever joining this union it will never happen even if Kosovo got legal Independence, they would never bee accepted into the union, proof of that is Muslim Turkey, they will never be accepted although they should! And the argument that Turkey is not Europe is nonsense because the EU wants to make Israel a special member and we all know that Israel is not in Europe.

miri

pre 16 godina

To Delije: "But you rather live in poverty the rest of your live & generations to come than be any part of Serbia. Cont."

Let me worry about Luka Brassi!!
I love this line from "Godfather".
Delije, the poverty in Kosova, is without doubt your desire, but it is our problem.
Let us worry about it.

laki NY

pre 16 godina

Princip:
"US position within the EU is waning and its advice regarding Serbia's integrity is ignored just as " - says who, where, what?
Princip can you spin it a little more maybe you will convince the brids of far east.
Spin Princip Spin,

Serbia reminded Kosovo and EU integration are separate issues
One more time REMINDED
http://www.euronews.net/index.php?page=info&article=463832&lng=1

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

The NATO intervention did not get UN approval and was therefore illegal, so lets not talk about who did what in the 90s. After what the US/UK did in Iraq, the "moral highground" story is nothing but history.

There was a reason the first Iraq invasion went as far as it did. You can see the consequences of the second invasion. There is also a reason the first NATO intervention in Serbia went as far as it did.

Put simply, there are lines that when crossed, destabilise the world's balance.

NATO dropped its bombs but almost 10 years later, Kosovo still remains a part of Serbia. How can Kosovo never again be a part of Serbia? It still is! So when are you guys going to declare independence?

We can speculate as much as we want, but the outcome is far from certain. The situation is a complete mess.

femi

pre 16 godina

Well not surprise at all. we know that Serbia would like the whole of ex Jugoslavia, and we know that Moscow will back that up on SC.

Kosova must become independent now!

Delije

pre 16 godina

Ahmet, Olf, Mika & the rest of Albanian camp, all you talk about is indep and nothing more. I don't think Pristina knows what to do after an illegal UDI. No talk of economy, minority rights, crime etc... Many things needed to run any state. All you want is indep, then what? I don't think you (Pristina) know. You say Serbia lost Kosovo, wrong (1244), but lets pretend. Without Serbia, an indep Kosovo will never see the EU. Well the EU might run the new state but the new state will never be in the EU. Some times I think what would happen if Serbia let Kosovo go and entered the EU without Kosovo. They would have indep but no economic indep. Pristina is just as stuborn if not more than Serbia. They will sacrifice their future of it's people (economy, basicly jobs & quality of life ) for one goal of indep and no clue what to do after. If you would ride Serbias coattails into the EU, indep would be irelavant. But you rather live in poverty the rest of your live & generations to come than be any part of Serbia. Cont.

mika

pre 16 godina

What are your other wishes Mr. Tadić? To be chosen again as a president of Serbia?
Santa is on vacation until 31 December, so you made your wishes too early, don't you think? I thought only kids makes imposible wishes, but some people just never grow up!

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

I believe very much that Kosovo and Serbia's joining into the EU are much related and soon that will be revealed. Tadic has good intentions and I am sure that he honestly believes in what he is telling. However, it is very important that Mr Tadic sent clear message by saying "no Serbian politician has the authority to discuss its independence". In another words, the EU may do what ever without Serbia's signature. Everything they do without UN SC approval will be illegal and breach of law. The only guarantee for Serbs is signing nothing. Besides, if the EU wants to take over the mission in Kosovo it may be done legally through the UN body with new resolution that would replace the old one. If that new resolution clearly states that Kosovo is Serbia's Southern province Serbian government would agree on this and Russia would not veto it.

Jeff

pre 16 godina

He is between a rock and a hard place. He knows Kosovo is lost but can not come out and say it. While there is no doubt that he desires a European perspective he also faces a nationalistic electorate and how he manages to intertwine remains to be seen. Serbia faces enormous economic challenges and without the Kosovo solution in sight nothing will move forward. This is what Mr. Tadic should be saying to his electorate! Kosovo problem must be solved so that other problems can be tackled.

The battle for Kosovo is becoming ridiculous. The Serbs must come to the realization that the battle was lost the minute the first NATO bomb fell.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Russian veto, is this news hmmm.
I wonder how Serbian posters in here want to live together with K-Albanians when thay claim that K-Albanians dont like them.
You are asking for US and EU to respect It. law but hey you have forgotten what have you done to International law in 90's.

Gjon Cima

pre 16 godina

I wander if anybody of the bipartisan posters can tell me the exact number of the Serbian Consuls in Pristina during the period 1782 till 1913.

Tom O'Donoghue

pre 16 godina

I'm constantly intrigued by the daily repetition by your K-Albanian posters of such phrases as "Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again" or "Kosovo is lost forever" etc etc. It's as if they are trying to convince themselves and believe that if they repeat these things often enough, they'll come true.
Sorry folks but life isn't like that.
You 'd be better off thinking about what you'll do as the year goes on....and on....and on...and, my God, you are still part of Serbia. We can only hope that your response to this scenario will be considered, mature and peaceful.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 16 godina

Sory Mr. Tadic but Kosova is lost for ever and i don't think Serbia will get into EU any time soon. Therefore you are left empty handed.

Any Germ

pre 16 godina

“My idea is to conduct a policy of making friends, which … increases the chances for all of its citizens and the country as a whole," - now this is a message for all of you here, posters from all different camps!

By the way, isn’t this also the essence of the EU integration process, starting with German-French reconciliation.
So, there is something to be gained, when stopping the zero-sum thinking.
And, please, forget about this “We are so special, we cannot live together with those others”-feeling. Get on, look forward, be optimistic and creative! And enjoy life together: united in diversity!

Pan

pre 16 godina

Mr. Tadic,
I thing you better prepare your nation to except independence of kosovo,instead of giving them false hopes.
Kosovo could never be a part of serbia ever again,you know that and the whole world knows that too..
Stop dragging serbia in to the black-hole of impossible dream.
As a president you should respect the choise of 2 mil. kosovars (alb&serb)that they dont want to be a part of serbia any more..
At this moment,kosovars are arlredy running kosovo as a independent country.

The only hope for serbia is if
LDP wins the elections and leads the serbia in to the right directions.

good luck Cedo..

Michael Thomas

pre 16 godina

When the EU declares the southern Serbian region of Kosovo "independent" and sends in German troopers to "maintain the peace," Tadic will have more than a few problems.

What he needs is a way of keeping Serbia on the road to the EU whilst also acknowledging the right of the EU to occupy Kosovo.

How about this: "Serbia and Kosovo will join the EU together (sometime in the distant future) and will therefore be reunited in the EU family of nations."

This is exactly the sort of rubbish Tadic's speechwriters are working on today.

Doni

pre 16 godina

and how is your strategy to keep both mr. Tadic?

making friends is not the solution, if you try to avoid the people of kosova?

you can find freedom of a country among the people, and not among friends in other countries. see the reality and stop daydreaming.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

"The EU will never blackmail Serbia, when it comes to EU membership, with the loss of a portion of its territory," Tadić pointed out at a news conference in Banja Luka,

- well Tadic knows that the EU will decide on its EU mission on the same day that they are expected to sign SAA - 28th January - lets see how things pan out!

If the EU do not deceide to send in their EUMIK on the 28th and stall then I think that will be a strong message to the anti-International law promoters who are dreaming of illegal secession!

Tadic and Kostunica make a very good combination and I very much doubt the EU would like to destabilise the peace in the region and Globally by promoting the illegal suggestions to partition Serbia from its Sovereign and intergarl territory. US position within the EU is waning and its advice regarding Serbia's integrity is ignored just as much as the absurd suggestion that the EU will accept Turkey!

luciano

pre 16 godina

Fascism is on the rise today in the same neighboring countries that conspired with Nazi criminals during WW2 against Serbs and Jews.These Joes aspire to pull the wool over uninformed people's eyes who have no memory of the real 20th century history.The Serbs need to stand tall like you have always done against fascists and thieves and you will never lose Kosovo-your Jerusalem.Shalom

Tom O'Donoghue

pre 16 godina

I'm constantly intrigued by the daily repetition by your K-Albanian posters of such phrases as "Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again" or "Kosovo is lost forever" etc etc. It's as if they are trying to convince themselves and believe that if they repeat these things often enough, they'll come true.
Sorry folks but life isn't like that.
You 'd be better off thinking about what you'll do as the year goes on....and on....and on...and, my God, you are still part of Serbia. We can only hope that your response to this scenario will be considered, mature and peaceful.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

"The EU will never blackmail Serbia, when it comes to EU membership, with the loss of a portion of its territory," Tadić pointed out at a news conference in Banja Luka,

- well Tadic knows that the EU will decide on its EU mission on the same day that they are expected to sign SAA - 28th January - lets see how things pan out!

If the EU do not deceide to send in their EUMIK on the 28th and stall then I think that will be a strong message to the anti-International law promoters who are dreaming of illegal secession!

Tadic and Kostunica make a very good combination and I very much doubt the EU would like to destabilise the peace in the region and Globally by promoting the illegal suggestions to partition Serbia from its Sovereign and intergarl territory. US position within the EU is waning and its advice regarding Serbia's integrity is ignored just as much as the absurd suggestion that the EU will accept Turkey!

Any Germ

pre 16 godina

“My idea is to conduct a policy of making friends, which … increases the chances for all of its citizens and the country as a whole," - now this is a message for all of you here, posters from all different camps!

By the way, isn’t this also the essence of the EU integration process, starting with German-French reconciliation.
So, there is something to be gained, when stopping the zero-sum thinking.
And, please, forget about this “We are so special, we cannot live together with those others”-feeling. Get on, look forward, be optimistic and creative! And enjoy life together: united in diversity!

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

The NATO intervention did not get UN approval and was therefore illegal, so lets not talk about who did what in the 90s. After what the US/UK did in Iraq, the "moral highground" story is nothing but history.

There was a reason the first Iraq invasion went as far as it did. You can see the consequences of the second invasion. There is also a reason the first NATO intervention in Serbia went as far as it did.

Put simply, there are lines that when crossed, destabilise the world's balance.

NATO dropped its bombs but almost 10 years later, Kosovo still remains a part of Serbia. How can Kosovo never again be a part of Serbia? It still is! So when are you guys going to declare independence?

We can speculate as much as we want, but the outcome is far from certain. The situation is a complete mess.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Ahmet, Olf, Mika & the rest of Albanian camp, all you talk about is indep and nothing more. I don't think Pristina knows what to do after an illegal UDI. No talk of economy, minority rights, crime etc... Many things needed to run any state. All you want is indep, then what? I don't think you (Pristina) know. You say Serbia lost Kosovo, wrong (1244), but lets pretend. Without Serbia, an indep Kosovo will never see the EU. Well the EU might run the new state but the new state will never be in the EU. Some times I think what would happen if Serbia let Kosovo go and entered the EU without Kosovo. They would have indep but no economic indep. Pristina is just as stuborn if not more than Serbia. They will sacrifice their future of it's people (economy, basicly jobs & quality of life ) for one goal of indep and no clue what to do after. If you would ride Serbias coattails into the EU, indep would be irelavant. But you rather live in poverty the rest of your live & generations to come than be any part of Serbia. Cont.

Jeff

pre 16 godina

He is between a rock and a hard place. He knows Kosovo is lost but can not come out and say it. While there is no doubt that he desires a European perspective he also faces a nationalistic electorate and how he manages to intertwine remains to be seen. Serbia faces enormous economic challenges and without the Kosovo solution in sight nothing will move forward. This is what Mr. Tadic should be saying to his electorate! Kosovo problem must be solved so that other problems can be tackled.

The battle for Kosovo is becoming ridiculous. The Serbs must come to the realization that the battle was lost the minute the first NATO bomb fell.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

As much as I have grown to admire Tadic in recent months I think his strategy in wanting to keep both Kosovo and join the EU is wrong and will back fire on him when the citizens of Serbia go to the poles.

One usually does not join a club that steals 15% of your land and prior to that bombs you for 78 days.

Tadic should ask Bulgaria and Romania, even Slovenia how the EU has benefited their countries. There are more con's than pro's in joining this smug club if you are a small country and most citizens of Serbia know this now.

I am afraid that Tadic's strategy is going to give the radicals a narrow win over him, come February.

I have spent many months in Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia and have not noticed a significant difference in the standard of living between these three countries, in both Bulgaria and Romania the rich have become richer and the poor have become poorer since joining the EU. The middle class makes more money than ever before, but than the cost of living has never been as high as it has since joining the EU, so the end result is equal to what it was before, other than that there is a lot more relaxed travel requirements now that these counties have joined the EU but than again you need money to travel so that benefit is meaningless to most Bulgarians and Romanians, even Slovenians.

It is true that the old Yugoslavia was bleeding Slovenia dry while Yugoslavia existed but now its the BIG EU countries, UK, France, Germany and even Italy that are bleeding Slovenia dry!

As for Kosovo ever joining this union it will never happen even if Kosovo got legal Independence, they would never bee accepted into the union, proof of that is Muslim Turkey, they will never be accepted although they should! And the argument that Turkey is not Europe is nonsense because the EU wants to make Israel a special member and we all know that Israel is not in Europe.

luciano

pre 16 godina

All groups have their angels and demons but no Jew needs to be told to read which groups in Europe had more demons than angels.The Jewish people lived with all of them so thanks for the reading advice but maybe you would be better off talking to Jews from all those countries.Adrian ever hear of Elie Wiesel?Or did you only learn about Antonescu?Shalom

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

I believe very much that Kosovo and Serbia's joining into the EU are much related and soon that will be revealed. Tadic has good intentions and I am sure that he honestly believes in what he is telling. However, it is very important that Mr Tadic sent clear message by saying "no Serbian politician has the authority to discuss its independence". In another words, the EU may do what ever without Serbia's signature. Everything they do without UN SC approval will be illegal and breach of law. The only guarantee for Serbs is signing nothing. Besides, if the EU wants to take over the mission in Kosovo it may be done legally through the UN body with new resolution that would replace the old one. If that new resolution clearly states that Kosovo is Serbia's Southern province Serbian government would agree on this and Russia would not veto it.

Tom O'Donoghue

pre 16 godina

Joe,
Let me guess, you're either American or British. If I'm wrong maybe you'd like to tell us, and we can discuss the meanings of the words "maturity" and "importance".

Delije

pre 16 godina

Ok miri you worry about the poverty in Kosovo. Since it was the K-Albanians that cause their poverty. 8 years of Serbless interfearence & it's no better even thou billions were pumped in & nothing to show for it. You cant blame the Serbs, like they say all the money went into the Serbian police & army in Kosovo & not the people. I think even pre 99 like now the top K-Albanians squanderd the money that was intended for the people of Kosovo. Its all about the money when it comes to the Albanians. Here in metro Detroit its the same, who has the newer Benz, the biggest house, the better cony island etc. And that compitition is among Albanians alone and thats at all cost to be on top. Leagle or illegal to get what they want. Kinda sounds like whats going on now in Kosovo. Even thou indep is illegal the Albanians will take it. Albanians consider themself above the law. In Kosovo and here in the US. How can anyone help you in Kosovo when you cant help yourself from each other. Kosovo is one big money pit.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 16 godina

Sory Mr. Tadic but Kosova is lost for ever and i don't think Serbia will get into EU any time soon. Therefore you are left empty handed.

mika

pre 16 godina

What are your other wishes Mr. Tadić? To be chosen again as a president of Serbia?
Santa is on vacation until 31 December, so you made your wishes too early, don't you think? I thought only kids makes imposible wishes, but some people just never grow up!

miri

pre 16 godina

To Delije: "But you rather live in poverty the rest of your live & generations to come than be any part of Serbia. Cont."

Let me worry about Luka Brassi!!
I love this line from "Godfather".
Delije, the poverty in Kosova, is without doubt your desire, but it is our problem.
Let us worry about it.

Doni

pre 16 godina

and how is your strategy to keep both mr. Tadic?

making friends is not the solution, if you try to avoid the people of kosova?

you can find freedom of a country among the people, and not among friends in other countries. see the reality and stop daydreaming.

Michael Thomas

pre 16 godina

When the EU declares the southern Serbian region of Kosovo "independent" and sends in German troopers to "maintain the peace," Tadic will have more than a few problems.

What he needs is a way of keeping Serbia on the road to the EU whilst also acknowledging the right of the EU to occupy Kosovo.

How about this: "Serbia and Kosovo will join the EU together (sometime in the distant future) and will therefore be reunited in the EU family of nations."

This is exactly the sort of rubbish Tadic's speechwriters are working on today.

Gjon Cima

pre 16 godina

I wander if anybody of the bipartisan posters can tell me the exact number of the Serbian Consuls in Pristina during the period 1782 till 1913.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Russian veto, is this news hmmm.
I wonder how Serbian posters in here want to live together with K-Albanians when thay claim that K-Albanians dont like them.
You are asking for US and EU to respect It. law but hey you have forgotten what have you done to International law in 90's.

femi

pre 16 godina

Well not surprise at all. we know that Serbia would like the whole of ex Jugoslavia, and we know that Moscow will back that up on SC.

Kosova must become independent now!

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

Mr. Tadic and co. still think and talk about Kosova, which is already gonne. They should worry more about a "stronger Vojvodina" and Sandjak entity and Presevo Valley and...Russian-cheap-buyers, etc, etc.

Joe

pre 16 godina

Tom,

As a non-Albanian I would like to advise you not to patronize the K-Albanians. They showed a high amount of maturity in presence of Serbian provocations and they know exactly what to expect in the near future.
And guess what....they will and can reach all their goals without the support of the Irish. I don't want to burst your bubble but that illustrates the importance of your country.

lili

pre 16 godina

to luciano,you should read more about the topic and you will learn that antijews laws were past in serbia before hitler did so by the kingdom of yu!you should read about nedic ljotic and the zbor mouvement"you should read about sjmiste camp and all the other ones...
and just remember that when all europe,yu kingdom include,was purshasing jews,king zog tool a jewish photographer as officiel photographer of the albanian court,queen geraldine took a jewish doktor as her personnel dokter,and the princess of albania took each of her, a chauffeur of jewish origine,telling by this way how to behave with honor and dignity!
israel just a few months ago did thank our country in yash vaddem,as israel did thank our country for behing the only one in europe rescuing all the jews in albania.
Truth and Dignity are always rewarded.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Miri count... I am the way you see me is bcause of the way your people prejudged me because of my ethnicity. They didnt know my name but the found out I was Serbian and treated me with hatred before they even new me personly. My friend had a Serbian flag hanging from his rearview mirror. While driveing down I-75 a car pulled up next to him waveing a gun. They were Albanian. They had the Albanian eagles on the back window. So he waved his cell phone and called the cops. They were arested after a short high speed chase. Why miri ? My friend was just driveing minding his own business when they saw the Serbian flag and pulled a gun on him because he was Serbian. Why miri? The prejudged him beause of his ethnicity. Why? They didnt even know him. But they new he may be Serbian. Is that all it takes for Albanians. I work with Albanians, older people and we respect each other and have no problems, their all from Kosovo. I hope you understand me alittle better and why I am the way I am. ;-)

Pan

pre 16 godina

Mr. Tadic,
I thing you better prepare your nation to except independence of kosovo,instead of giving them false hopes.
Kosovo could never be a part of serbia ever again,you know that and the whole world knows that too..
Stop dragging serbia in to the black-hole of impossible dream.
As a president you should respect the choise of 2 mil. kosovars (alb&serb)that they dont want to be a part of serbia any more..
At this moment,kosovars are arlredy running kosovo as a independent country.

The only hope for serbia is if
LDP wins the elections and leads the serbia in to the right directions.

good luck Cedo..

adrian, timisoara, Romania

pre 16 godina

Of course, Luciano, i know about teh crimes romanians committed to jews, and i-m ashamed of that. Yes, and we have our own right-wing (well, nazi) organisation,called "Noua Dreapta", but that doesen`t make them different from their serbian counterparts. Idiots ARE idiots, there is no national difference.

laki NY

pre 16 godina

Princip:
"US position within the EU is waning and its advice regarding Serbia's integrity is ignored just as " - says who, where, what?
Princip can you spin it a little more maybe you will convince the brids of far east.
Spin Princip Spin,

Serbia reminded Kosovo and EU integration are separate issues
One more time REMINDED
http://www.euronews.net/index.php?page=info&article=463832&lng=1

adrian, timisoara, Romania

pre 16 godina

Luciano, of course all of your neighbours have their own "Czar Lazar Guard". It´s not hard to find some right-wing idiots. But what makes them different to Serbia?

Fellis

pre 16 godina

To all Delije:
It will be much better for Albanians in Kosovo to live in the poverty (which will not happen, as you wish), than to live with Serbs in Serbia. Even your Montenegros could not live with you, how do you expect Kosovars to live in serbia.No chance anymore.
If K-albanians are patient, they are not stupid.

miri

pre 16 godina

Delije, I expect almost every Serb to have some prejudice about Albanians but you in particular seem to be obsessed with them. Are you stalking Albanians in Detroit? Are you chasing them and marking the models of their cars? Are you actually getting in the office of Deeds and checking what houses do they buy? Have you ever seen how Serbs live in Toronto? (This is the only place where I have seen a Serb community from close by and what astonished me was their categorical refusal to mingle with the local population. They always stayed in groups with themselves and spoke loudly in serbian)

Just wanted to give Delije a taste of how it feels when you stalk people.

Gjon Cima

pre 16 godina

Let me invoke a historical fact: I've seen the Serb Kingdom history and maps; for the very first time Kosova was included in the Serb Map in 1913.
It never was part of the Serb Map before that.

From 1878 till 1913 Serbia was represented by General Consulate in Pristina.

Go and see the history and come back to the blog again to talk together.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

Daniel Fried puts this in the best way when he says that " Serbia has long time lost Kosova and that now Serbia can not choose between Kosova or EU but between EU and isolation since Kosova is already lost for Serbia"
Thanks Mr. Daniel Fried.

mark

pre 16 godina

I'm constantly intrigued by the daily repetition by your K-Albanian posters of such phrases as "Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again" or "Kosovo is lost forever" etc etc. It's as if they are trying to convince themselves and believe that if they repeat these things often enough, they'll come true.
Sorry folks but life isn't like that.
You 'd be better off thinking about what you'll do as the year goes on....and on....and on...and, my God, you are still part of Serbia. We can only hope that your response to this scenario will be considered, mature and peaceful.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 10 January 2008 14:26)

tom,
albanians don't have to convince themselves of anything when it comes to kosove. the road has already been paved and we will soon be driving down it's path.
the irony here is that you and your serbian cohorts are attempting, in vain, to convince yourselves that you have this "ace" up your sleeve that in the last possible moment you will pull it and it will save kosove. open your eyes...we all know what happens when you chase cards.
save what little you have left and fold those cards.
that's sound advice.

Tim Begu

pre 16 godina

Serbian politicians have been leading Serbia straight to hell with their nationalistic propaganda.
They won't look back and try to figure out what happened to the once flourishing Yugoslavia, instead of blaming the individual states for the breakup, and not their selfish leaders.
The Mickey-mouse Serb politicians have destroyed any credibility to anything being signed by any Serbian politician (any signing is not worth the paper written on).
Now the same nationalistic talk is in the air, and Russia is patting Serbia’s back, but don’t forget, Russia also had your back when US and EU was bombing strategic targets within Serbia.
As for Serbia’s acceptance to EU, while murderers and killers of Croatians, Bosnians and Albanians live free within Serbia, it will not happen.
The Kosovo issue is a done deal because USA and EU say so, get on with it. Kosovo Albanian politicians have shown union, maturity, goals and credibility (something lacking on the Serbian side).

Pan

pre 16 godina

Mr. Tadic,
I thing you better prepare your nation to except independence of kosovo,instead of giving them false hopes.
Kosovo could never be a part of serbia ever again,you know that and the whole world knows that too..
Stop dragging serbia in to the black-hole of impossible dream.
As a president you should respect the choise of 2 mil. kosovars (alb&serb)that they dont want to be a part of serbia any more..
At this moment,kosovars are arlredy running kosovo as a independent country.

The only hope for serbia is if
LDP wins the elections and leads the serbia in to the right directions.

good luck Cedo..

Ahmet Isufi

pre 16 godina

Sory Mr. Tadic but Kosova is lost for ever and i don't think Serbia will get into EU any time soon. Therefore you are left empty handed.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Russian veto, is this news hmmm.
I wonder how Serbian posters in here want to live together with K-Albanians when thay claim that K-Albanians dont like them.
You are asking for US and EU to respect It. law but hey you have forgotten what have you done to International law in 90's.

Jeff

pre 16 godina

He is between a rock and a hard place. He knows Kosovo is lost but can not come out and say it. While there is no doubt that he desires a European perspective he also faces a nationalistic electorate and how he manages to intertwine remains to be seen. Serbia faces enormous economic challenges and without the Kosovo solution in sight nothing will move forward. This is what Mr. Tadic should be saying to his electorate! Kosovo problem must be solved so that other problems can be tackled.

The battle for Kosovo is becoming ridiculous. The Serbs must come to the realization that the battle was lost the minute the first NATO bomb fell.

femi

pre 16 godina

Well not surprise at all. we know that Serbia would like the whole of ex Jugoslavia, and we know that Moscow will back that up on SC.

Kosova must become independent now!

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

Mr. Tadic and co. still think and talk about Kosova, which is already gonne. They should worry more about a "stronger Vojvodina" and Sandjak entity and Presevo Valley and...Russian-cheap-buyers, etc, etc.

Joe

pre 16 godina

Tom,

As a non-Albanian I would like to advise you not to patronize the K-Albanians. They showed a high amount of maturity in presence of Serbian provocations and they know exactly what to expect in the near future.
And guess what....they will and can reach all their goals without the support of the Irish. I don't want to burst your bubble but that illustrates the importance of your country.

miri

pre 16 godina

To Delije: "But you rather live in poverty the rest of your live & generations to come than be any part of Serbia. Cont."

Let me worry about Luka Brassi!!
I love this line from "Godfather".
Delije, the poverty in Kosova, is without doubt your desire, but it is our problem.
Let us worry about it.

laki NY

pre 16 godina

Princip:
"US position within the EU is waning and its advice regarding Serbia's integrity is ignored just as " - says who, where, what?
Princip can you spin it a little more maybe you will convince the brids of far east.
Spin Princip Spin,

Serbia reminded Kosovo and EU integration are separate issues
One more time REMINDED
http://www.euronews.net/index.php?page=info&article=463832&lng=1

lili

pre 16 godina

to luciano,you should read more about the topic and you will learn that antijews laws were past in serbia before hitler did so by the kingdom of yu!you should read about nedic ljotic and the zbor mouvement"you should read about sjmiste camp and all the other ones...
and just remember that when all europe,yu kingdom include,was purshasing jews,king zog tool a jewish photographer as officiel photographer of the albanian court,queen geraldine took a jewish doktor as her personnel dokter,and the princess of albania took each of her, a chauffeur of jewish origine,telling by this way how to behave with honor and dignity!
israel just a few months ago did thank our country in yash vaddem,as israel did thank our country for behing the only one in europe rescuing all the jews in albania.
Truth and Dignity are always rewarded.

Doni

pre 16 godina

and how is your strategy to keep both mr. Tadic?

making friends is not the solution, if you try to avoid the people of kosova?

you can find freedom of a country among the people, and not among friends in other countries. see the reality and stop daydreaming.

Tom O'Donoghue

pre 16 godina

I'm constantly intrigued by the daily repetition by your K-Albanian posters of such phrases as "Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again" or "Kosovo is lost forever" etc etc. It's as if they are trying to convince themselves and believe that if they repeat these things often enough, they'll come true.
Sorry folks but life isn't like that.
You 'd be better off thinking about what you'll do as the year goes on....and on....and on...and, my God, you are still part of Serbia. We can only hope that your response to this scenario will be considered, mature and peaceful.

Gjon Cima

pre 16 godina

I wander if anybody of the bipartisan posters can tell me the exact number of the Serbian Consuls in Pristina during the period 1782 till 1913.

mika

pre 16 godina

What are your other wishes Mr. Tadić? To be chosen again as a president of Serbia?
Santa is on vacation until 31 December, so you made your wishes too early, don't you think? I thought only kids makes imposible wishes, but some people just never grow up!

Fellis

pre 16 godina

To all Delije:
It will be much better for Albanians in Kosovo to live in the poverty (which will not happen, as you wish), than to live with Serbs in Serbia. Even your Montenegros could not live with you, how do you expect Kosovars to live in serbia.No chance anymore.
If K-albanians are patient, they are not stupid.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

"The EU will never blackmail Serbia, when it comes to EU membership, with the loss of a portion of its territory," Tadić pointed out at a news conference in Banja Luka,

- well Tadic knows that the EU will decide on its EU mission on the same day that they are expected to sign SAA - 28th January - lets see how things pan out!

If the EU do not deceide to send in their EUMIK on the 28th and stall then I think that will be a strong message to the anti-International law promoters who are dreaming of illegal secession!

Tadic and Kostunica make a very good combination and I very much doubt the EU would like to destabilise the peace in the region and Globally by promoting the illegal suggestions to partition Serbia from its Sovereign and intergarl territory. US position within the EU is waning and its advice regarding Serbia's integrity is ignored just as much as the absurd suggestion that the EU will accept Turkey!

Michael Thomas

pre 16 godina

When the EU declares the southern Serbian region of Kosovo "independent" and sends in German troopers to "maintain the peace," Tadic will have more than a few problems.

What he needs is a way of keeping Serbia on the road to the EU whilst also acknowledging the right of the EU to occupy Kosovo.

How about this: "Serbia and Kosovo will join the EU together (sometime in the distant future) and will therefore be reunited in the EU family of nations."

This is exactly the sort of rubbish Tadic's speechwriters are working on today.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

I believe very much that Kosovo and Serbia's joining into the EU are much related and soon that will be revealed. Tadic has good intentions and I am sure that he honestly believes in what he is telling. However, it is very important that Mr Tadic sent clear message by saying "no Serbian politician has the authority to discuss its independence". In another words, the EU may do what ever without Serbia's signature. Everything they do without UN SC approval will be illegal and breach of law. The only guarantee for Serbs is signing nothing. Besides, if the EU wants to take over the mission in Kosovo it may be done legally through the UN body with new resolution that would replace the old one. If that new resolution clearly states that Kosovo is Serbia's Southern province Serbian government would agree on this and Russia would not veto it.

miri

pre 16 godina

Delije, I expect almost every Serb to have some prejudice about Albanians but you in particular seem to be obsessed with them. Are you stalking Albanians in Detroit? Are you chasing them and marking the models of their cars? Are you actually getting in the office of Deeds and checking what houses do they buy? Have you ever seen how Serbs live in Toronto? (This is the only place where I have seen a Serb community from close by and what astonished me was their categorical refusal to mingle with the local population. They always stayed in groups with themselves and spoke loudly in serbian)

Just wanted to give Delije a taste of how it feels when you stalk people.

Gjon Cima

pre 16 godina

Let me invoke a historical fact: I've seen the Serb Kingdom history and maps; for the very first time Kosova was included in the Serb Map in 1913.
It never was part of the Serb Map before that.

From 1878 till 1913 Serbia was represented by General Consulate in Pristina.

Go and see the history and come back to the blog again to talk together.

mark

pre 16 godina

I'm constantly intrigued by the daily repetition by your K-Albanian posters of such phrases as "Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again" or "Kosovo is lost forever" etc etc. It's as if they are trying to convince themselves and believe that if they repeat these things often enough, they'll come true.
Sorry folks but life isn't like that.
You 'd be better off thinking about what you'll do as the year goes on....and on....and on...and, my God, you are still part of Serbia. We can only hope that your response to this scenario will be considered, mature and peaceful.
(Tom O'Donoghue, 10 January 2008 14:26)

tom,
albanians don't have to convince themselves of anything when it comes to kosove. the road has already been paved and we will soon be driving down it's path.
the irony here is that you and your serbian cohorts are attempting, in vain, to convince yourselves that you have this "ace" up your sleeve that in the last possible moment you will pull it and it will save kosove. open your eyes...we all know what happens when you chase cards.
save what little you have left and fold those cards.
that's sound advice.

Tim Begu

pre 16 godina

Serbian politicians have been leading Serbia straight to hell with their nationalistic propaganda.
They won't look back and try to figure out what happened to the once flourishing Yugoslavia, instead of blaming the individual states for the breakup, and not their selfish leaders.
The Mickey-mouse Serb politicians have destroyed any credibility to anything being signed by any Serbian politician (any signing is not worth the paper written on).
Now the same nationalistic talk is in the air, and Russia is patting Serbia’s back, but don’t forget, Russia also had your back when US and EU was bombing strategic targets within Serbia.
As for Serbia’s acceptance to EU, while murderers and killers of Croatians, Bosnians and Albanians live free within Serbia, it will not happen.
The Kosovo issue is a done deal because USA and EU say so, get on with it. Kosovo Albanian politicians have shown union, maturity, goals and credibility (something lacking on the Serbian side).

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

Daniel Fried puts this in the best way when he says that " Serbia has long time lost Kosova and that now Serbia can not choose between Kosova or EU but between EU and isolation since Kosova is already lost for Serbia"
Thanks Mr. Daniel Fried.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

The NATO intervention did not get UN approval and was therefore illegal, so lets not talk about who did what in the 90s. After what the US/UK did in Iraq, the "moral highground" story is nothing but history.

There was a reason the first Iraq invasion went as far as it did. You can see the consequences of the second invasion. There is also a reason the first NATO intervention in Serbia went as far as it did.

Put simply, there are lines that when crossed, destabilise the world's balance.

NATO dropped its bombs but almost 10 years later, Kosovo still remains a part of Serbia. How can Kosovo never again be a part of Serbia? It still is! So when are you guys going to declare independence?

We can speculate as much as we want, but the outcome is far from certain. The situation is a complete mess.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Ahmet, Olf, Mika & the rest of Albanian camp, all you talk about is indep and nothing more. I don't think Pristina knows what to do after an illegal UDI. No talk of economy, minority rights, crime etc... Many things needed to run any state. All you want is indep, then what? I don't think you (Pristina) know. You say Serbia lost Kosovo, wrong (1244), but lets pretend. Without Serbia, an indep Kosovo will never see the EU. Well the EU might run the new state but the new state will never be in the EU. Some times I think what would happen if Serbia let Kosovo go and entered the EU without Kosovo. They would have indep but no economic indep. Pristina is just as stuborn if not more than Serbia. They will sacrifice their future of it's people (economy, basicly jobs & quality of life ) for one goal of indep and no clue what to do after. If you would ride Serbias coattails into the EU, indep would be irelavant. But you rather live in poverty the rest of your live & generations to come than be any part of Serbia. Cont.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

As much as I have grown to admire Tadic in recent months I think his strategy in wanting to keep both Kosovo and join the EU is wrong and will back fire on him when the citizens of Serbia go to the poles.

One usually does not join a club that steals 15% of your land and prior to that bombs you for 78 days.

Tadic should ask Bulgaria and Romania, even Slovenia how the EU has benefited their countries. There are more con's than pro's in joining this smug club if you are a small country and most citizens of Serbia know this now.

I am afraid that Tadic's strategy is going to give the radicals a narrow win over him, come February.

I have spent many months in Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia and have not noticed a significant difference in the standard of living between these three countries, in both Bulgaria and Romania the rich have become richer and the poor have become poorer since joining the EU. The middle class makes more money than ever before, but than the cost of living has never been as high as it has since joining the EU, so the end result is equal to what it was before, other than that there is a lot more relaxed travel requirements now that these counties have joined the EU but than again you need money to travel so that benefit is meaningless to most Bulgarians and Romanians, even Slovenians.

It is true that the old Yugoslavia was bleeding Slovenia dry while Yugoslavia existed but now its the BIG EU countries, UK, France, Germany and even Italy that are bleeding Slovenia dry!

As for Kosovo ever joining this union it will never happen even if Kosovo got legal Independence, they would never bee accepted into the union, proof of that is Muslim Turkey, they will never be accepted although they should! And the argument that Turkey is not Europe is nonsense because the EU wants to make Israel a special member and we all know that Israel is not in Europe.

Tom O'Donoghue

pre 16 godina

Joe,
Let me guess, you're either American or British. If I'm wrong maybe you'd like to tell us, and we can discuss the meanings of the words "maturity" and "importance".

luciano

pre 16 godina

Fascism is on the rise today in the same neighboring countries that conspired with Nazi criminals during WW2 against Serbs and Jews.These Joes aspire to pull the wool over uninformed people's eyes who have no memory of the real 20th century history.The Serbs need to stand tall like you have always done against fascists and thieves and you will never lose Kosovo-your Jerusalem.Shalom

adrian, timisoara, Romania

pre 16 godina

Luciano, of course all of your neighbours have their own "Czar Lazar Guard". It´s not hard to find some right-wing idiots. But what makes them different to Serbia?

Any Germ

pre 16 godina

“My idea is to conduct a policy of making friends, which … increases the chances for all of its citizens and the country as a whole," - now this is a message for all of you here, posters from all different camps!

By the way, isn’t this also the essence of the EU integration process, starting with German-French reconciliation.
So, there is something to be gained, when stopping the zero-sum thinking.
And, please, forget about this “We are so special, we cannot live together with those others”-feeling. Get on, look forward, be optimistic and creative! And enjoy life together: united in diversity!

Delije

pre 16 godina

Ok miri you worry about the poverty in Kosovo. Since it was the K-Albanians that cause their poverty. 8 years of Serbless interfearence & it's no better even thou billions were pumped in & nothing to show for it. You cant blame the Serbs, like they say all the money went into the Serbian police & army in Kosovo & not the people. I think even pre 99 like now the top K-Albanians squanderd the money that was intended for the people of Kosovo. Its all about the money when it comes to the Albanians. Here in metro Detroit its the same, who has the newer Benz, the biggest house, the better cony island etc. And that compitition is among Albanians alone and thats at all cost to be on top. Leagle or illegal to get what they want. Kinda sounds like whats going on now in Kosovo. Even thou indep is illegal the Albanians will take it. Albanians consider themself above the law. In Kosovo and here in the US. How can anyone help you in Kosovo when you cant help yourself from each other. Kosovo is one big money pit.

luciano

pre 16 godina

All groups have their angels and demons but no Jew needs to be told to read which groups in Europe had more demons than angels.The Jewish people lived with all of them so thanks for the reading advice but maybe you would be better off talking to Jews from all those countries.Adrian ever hear of Elie Wiesel?Or did you only learn about Antonescu?Shalom

adrian, timisoara, Romania

pre 16 godina

Of course, Luciano, i know about teh crimes romanians committed to jews, and i-m ashamed of that. Yes, and we have our own right-wing (well, nazi) organisation,called "Noua Dreapta", but that doesen`t make them different from their serbian counterparts. Idiots ARE idiots, there is no national difference.

Delije

pre 16 godina

Miri count... I am the way you see me is bcause of the way your people prejudged me because of my ethnicity. They didnt know my name but the found out I was Serbian and treated me with hatred before they even new me personly. My friend had a Serbian flag hanging from his rearview mirror. While driveing down I-75 a car pulled up next to him waveing a gun. They were Albanian. They had the Albanian eagles on the back window. So he waved his cell phone and called the cops. They were arested after a short high speed chase. Why miri ? My friend was just driveing minding his own business when they saw the Serbian flag and pulled a gun on him because he was Serbian. Why miri? The prejudged him beause of his ethnicity. Why? They didnt even know him. But they new he may be Serbian. Is that all it takes for Albanians. I work with Albanians, older people and we respect each other and have no problems, their all from Kosovo. I hope you understand me alittle better and why I am the way I am. ;-)