Koštunica to EU: Alliance with Serbia or Kosovo mission

Dream on, Clean Cut. At least Kostunica has the guts to stand up for his country's integrity and challenge the EU to abide by international law. As an EU citizen I am quite appalled by the actions of some of its members.

To clean cut and the rest of the 'greater albania' dreamers:
Kostunica is the main reason that your 'greater albania' plan has failed. His close relations and lobbying of Russia have killed your dream of stealing sacred Serbian land. So I say go ahead and keep belittling and insulting great diplomats like Kostunica and Putin, it will only help us. We have the Russian veto in our pocket (and probably a Chinese one too), we have most of the world on our side (despite all the propoganda you hear), we have a divided EU with several countries who are dead against unilateral independence, we have a growing economy, we have control of north Kosovo which happens to control your water supplies, we have international law and justice on our side, we know we are right and we will never surrender.
What do you have? You have America troops who will not stay in Kosovo forever. Do you know what will happen when they eventually leave, with Serbia still legally owning Kosovo? Think about it.
You are better off trying to be good Serbian citizens instead of supporting terrorism and separatism. Kosovo has always been Serbian, and it always will be, don't you forget that.
Cheers!

Lenard; Greater Serbia? What about Greater Croatia? 300,000 Serbs ethnically cleansed from lands that have been Serbian for centuries. Was the Dalmatian Coast all the way to Dubrovnik historically part of Croatia? Talk about hypocrisy!! Trying to keep lands that have belonged to your people for centuries is not expansion, but taking land that never was yours is (Krajina, Southern Dalmatia)!

"Kostunica is a warmonger, why do you think he poses with Kalashnikov's (ak-47)?
(KS, 6 January 2008 14:44)"

because at that time, as he has repeatedly publicly said, he was not that sensitized in regard to the negative impression it would make, he himself said afterwards said it was insensitive and not really smart since he was not aware, that the journalist who asked him to pose with it would make such a "story" of it.
and as we can see in the reiterated critics of the albanian boys here, it was indeed not very smart to follow the journalist request to pose with that rifle.

what is interesting, not one single albanian poster seems to feel the necessity to critisize ceku or taci for terrorizing the civilian population of the serbian province with guns like that...

in that case, it seems to be okay for the albanian posters...

strange approach, indeed.

Naim said >> Kostunica think he can scare the European union, that has so much more power then ever had in his entire life.

Naim it is quite clear that the EU is scared, otherwise you would have been independent by now. And why shouldn't they be scared, they are thinking of destroying international law, this is not something you consider lightly.

Its now January 6, and soon it will be February 6 and so on, when will the Albanians figure out a new Muslim state will not be created in the heart of Europe by stealing 15% of a sovereign nation.

Yes that's absolutely right. It's their choice. The Serbian government has to take sharp measures against any country that decides to support unilateral declaration of independance. Companies from such countries must be barred from participation in the privatization process. Those already in the country should be scrutinized more closely e.g. their financial books, environmental, health standards etc. This should be conducted in a transparent way to show that the government can and will punish those countries which do not respect Serbian constitution and laws.

Thanks.

don´t worry, there won´t be neither a clean cut, nor is there any advantage for your greater-albania-cause created by Mr. Koštunica´s statement.

you are just filled up with misinformation of your albanian yellow-papers...

and those comments about everything being in your interest, I mean everything the serbian prime-minister says...are nothing but laughable.

I so much like this guy. Mr. Kostunica is the best thing next to Milosevic that has happened to the Albanian unresolved issues in the Balkans. With this guy in power Kosova will be independent even sooner than expected. Immagine if radicals come into power...declaration the next day!

Fatmir said >> Do you really think putin can stop USA an the EU. you all heard bush in tirana last summer. accept and move on.

Dear Fatmir, he has already stopped the USA, are you independent? NO! What happen to Dec 10, NOTHING! What happened to the beginning of January? NOTHING! what will happen next month? NOTHING!

I think its pretty clear that he has stopped the US!

I wonder why Serbia is ignored and its wishes ,no not really! The 90s testified of greater Serbia's and the Serbs war palsies of expansion at any price against their neighbors. Where was Serbia's and the Serbs keeping of the Geneva convention or international law. Living with their neighbors in peace and respect. Treat them like you would like to be treated ,not to murder and steal. I'm sure it is in the Orthodox bible all Serbs should read not just the old babas. Rectify and make restitution what was done in the name of Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia and over all of former Yugoslavia by evil men. Not make excuses for them and justefie their horrendous murders not to be identified with them and giving support. Then Serbia and the Serbs will have the ear of the world and a good right reputation. The talk coming from Prime Minister Kostunica of Serbia is just more hippocratesy and cheap talk for Serb consumption the world is tired of it and not buying it. I hope my statement is not falling on death ears. Sretan Bozic!

Zoran, get your facts right. Serbs arrived in Croatia in the 16th and 17th centuries after fleeing the Turks so therefore the lands they settled were Croatian before that. The Austrians settled Serbs in areas of Croatia that were affected by Turkish invasions. Secondly the areas where Serbs lived also had Croats. Only a couple of districts were entirely populated by Serbs. The Serbs arrived in Croatia as guests but failed to respect the country where they settled.

Kostinica is just a populist politician like the majority of the politicians in the Balkans.

The only difference is that being a Serbian politician- a generator of violence in the Balkans, he should be more prudent in his statements. But hi is not. His policy ‘with me or against me’ is a cheep bluffing- since EU will not isolate Serbia and he knows this very well.

The only thing he can do now is to bluff, since his moral is compatible with this type of politics.

In meanwhile the preparations of the deployment of the EU presence in Kosova are going well, after the deployment, it will follow the declaration of independence then the recognition by US, EU and the rest of the world. Very soon Russia will recognize Kosova as well. When the democracy will shine in Serbia, Kosova will be recognized by Serbia as well, but as you can imagine Kosova can live with this delay, it’s residual issue.

Kostunica is a warmonger, why do you think he poses with Kalashnikov's (ak-47)?

SinSity,

it is very likely that you even realy believe what you wrote about the Serbs in the areas of todays Croatia.

just one hint for you, at the times when the Serbs settled there in greater numbers they did so, not only because they were settled there by the austro-hungarian powers, but also because there were ALREADY Serbs living there.

SinSity, just in case you are a Croatian, the whole mediterranean coast up to the region of todays coast-city Split was once serbian inhabited land.

you probably did not know that, and that a part of todays croatian population descends from catholicized Serbs, who were assimilated through the centuries.

it is each and everytime very frightening to witness HOW LITTLE most of the writers here know about their own history, not only Albanians, but also Serbs or Croats.

unbelievable. you are almost all arguing with some superficial knowledge here.

it´s no wonder some war-profiteers could use that in order to inflict hatred among the balkan-nations.

I though it was Serbia that was trying to become a member of the EU, not the other way around.

Jovan,

I cannot recall when, but I did read somewhere that there was a Serbian that lived in China a while ago.

I guess that makes China Serbian!

Also I find amusing your comment (below).

‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
it is each and everytime very frightening to witness HOW LITTLE most of the writers here know about their own history, not only Albanians, but also Serbs or Croats.
‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’

I find is amusing for three facts:

1. Albanians are put first in the list (as per your words “not only Albanians”).
2. You added Serbs to "prove" that your comment is not biased
3. Your attempts to give history lessons to Albanians and Croats. Who are next: Slovenians, Bosnians and Macedonians?

I can assure you that Albanians know their history better that you while in their sleep.
Once again Jovan, please stop giving us history lessons. We know who we are, where we lived, who are ancestors are. So do you and you do not see me trying to give you history lessons.

To finalise my comment I find your next comment offensive:

‘’’’’’’’’
unbelievable. you are almost all arguing with some superficial knowledge here.
‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’

Just because you might not accept other peoples views (or those that are not in line with your view of the Balkans history) you should not resolve to arrogance. You might have a degree in Serbian history but comments like that put you in a different view.

Jovan: We should send you to explain to the Croatians south of Split. That they are really Orthodox Serbs that their ancestars were not very smart and were duped and you Jovan have the hole Serb truth because your so intelligent lets see how far you get. Maybe for the hole of former Yugoslavia on your theories that their all Serbs but just don't know it yet and your their to shed Serbian light on them.

yeah Blero, you know your koha-ditore-history by heart... I believe you that.

(Jovan, 7 January 2008 21:18)

Dear Jovan,

I know that you will not believe this but I have never read any article from Koha Ditore.
I am also not claiming to know the Serbian history (or at least the Serbian Version of the History of Balkan).
But I know this.
Your knowledge of anything that has to do with Albanian history is so poor that compares to the knowledge that my 1 year daughter has in that matter.
Little knowledge is a dangerous thing Jovan, however when that little knowledge is used in the way you are doing it simply becomes disastrous.

So, we don’t keep on commenting in each others comments can we please agree on the following?

You know and accept the Serbian version of the history of Albanians and Serbians. whereas I know and accept the Albanian version of it. I know that you will say that there is only one version of a history (but which one is true then????)

I do not see these two trains meeting at any point.
Therefore once again, please do not try to teach us our history. We have our historians that get paid for that job (and you might not believe this, but they do a better job then you).
In return I will not try to teach you your history.

Kostunica think he can scare the european union, that has so much more power then ever had in his entire life.

Kosova will gain independence. It's just a matter of time.

he´s making this statements because of the elections..even he knows that kosovo is lost forever.

Do you realy think putin can stop USA an the EU. you all heard bush in tirana last summer. accept and move on.

And we do not wish to form a grater albanian state. we have more power with to seperate albanian states in europe. 2 voices better then one.

And I hope for the albanian side he wins in the elections. we need people like him in belgrade. who threat the EU because he got putin and some guy from afrika behind he´s back.

He´s funny guy making funny comments.

Dear Serb Posters Kosovo status resolution is going on its projected path. The road to Kosovo's independence is all but inevitable. No human-made law, national or international, will be able to stop the march of 2 million people in their historical quest to make the final step towards complete national sovereignty.

Do you know what will happen when they (American troops) eventually leave, with Serbia still legally owning Kosovo? Think about it.

(Dragan, 6 January 2008 17:02)


Dragan, what will happen when the American troops leave?
Another 1999?
Is this a threat that you are posting?

Please refrain yourself from comments like this.

yeah Blero, you know your koha-ditore-history by heart... I believe you that.

but all you do ( not you personally, I mean most Albanians here ) is referring to some Encyclopedia Brittanica editions from 1911, since that was the last editon that printed that nonsense...

you certainly are also saying that those US-american archeological-histiorian teams in the late 80ies were paid by Tito, to declare the illyrian myth as what it is, a mere illusion.

but you may continue to think whatever you want... since Serbia is a free country, you can even believe to be the descendent of Elvis...

@Lenard:

Duklija,Travunja,Zahumlje and Paganija...were all serbian lands in the early middle ages. why don´t you educate yourself befor accusing me of writing propaganda? why don´t you just check it, before you dare to type that kind of accusations? I do not expect an answer on that, for obvious reasons.

arrogance is ( sad but true ) what the Albanians are displaying here! it´s you who is threatening with violence if you do not get what you want, actually, isn´t that quite a childish behaviour?

What happen to Dec 10, NOTHING! What happened to the beginning of January? NOTHING! what will happen next month? NOTHING!
-----------------------------

If you were to bet on 'nothing' ever happening you would lose. The former Yugoslav province of Kosovo, a constituent member of the now defunct confederation, will declare independence unilaterally and will be joined to Albania.

I so much like this guy. Mr. Kostunica is the best thing next to Milosevic that has happened to the Albanian unresolved issues in the Balkans. With this guy in power Kosova will be independent even sooner than expected. Immagine if radicals come into power...declaration the next day!

Kostunica think he can scare the european union, that has so much more power then ever had in his entire life.

Kosova will gain independence. It's just a matter of time.

Kostinica is just a populist politician like the majority of the politicians in the Balkans.

The only difference is that being a Serbian politician- a generator of violence in the Balkans, he should be more prudent in his statements. But hi is not. His policy ‘with me or against me’ is a cheep bluffing- since EU will not isolate Serbia and he knows this very well.

The only thing he can do now is to bluff, since his moral is compatible with this type of politics.

In meanwhile the preparations of the deployment of the EU presence in Kosova are going well, after the deployment, it will follow the declaration of independence then the recognition by US, EU and the rest of the world. Very soon Russia will recognize Kosova as well. When the democracy will shine in Serbia, Kosova will be recognized by Serbia as well, but as you can imagine Kosova can live with this delay, it’s residual issue.

I wonder why Serbia is ignored and its wishes ,no not really! The 90s testified of greater Serbia's and the Serbs war palsies of expansion at any price against their neighbors. Where was Serbia's and the Serbs keeping of the Geneva convention or international law. Living with their neighbors in peace and respect. Treat them like you would like to be treated ,not to murder and steal. I'm sure it is in the Orthodox bible all Serbs should read not just the old babas. Rectify and make restitution what was done in the name of Serbia and Serbs in Bosnia and over all of former Yugoslavia by evil men. Not make excuses for them and justefie their horrendous murders not to be identified with them and giving support. Then Serbia and the Serbs will have the ear of the world and a good right reputation. The talk coming from Prime Minister Kostunica of Serbia is just more hippocratesy and cheap talk for Serb consumption the world is tired of it and not buying it. I hope my statement is not falling on death ears. Sretan Bozic!

Kostunica is a warmonger, why do you think he poses with Kalashnikov's (ak-47)?

he´s making this statements because of the elections..even he knows that kosovo is lost forever.

Do you realy think putin can stop USA an the EU. you all heard bush in tirana last summer. accept and move on.

And we do not wish to form a grater albanian state. we have more power with to seperate albanian states in europe. 2 voices better then one.

And I hope for the albanian side he wins in the elections. we need people like him in belgrade. who threat the EU because he got putin and some guy from afrika behind he´s back.

He´s funny guy making funny comments.

I though it was Serbia that was trying to become a member of the EU, not the other way around.

Zoran, get your facts right. Serbs arrived in Croatia in the 16th and 17th centuries after fleeing the Turks so therefore the lands they settled were Croatian before that. The Austrians settled Serbs in areas of Croatia that were affected by Turkish invasions. Secondly the areas where Serbs lived also had Croats. Only a couple of districts were entirely populated by Serbs. The Serbs arrived in Croatia as guests but failed to respect the country where they settled.

What happen to Dec 10, NOTHING! What happened to the beginning of January? NOTHING! what will happen next month? NOTHING!
-----------------------------

If you were to bet on 'nothing' ever happening you would lose. The former Yugoslav province of Kosovo, a constituent member of the now defunct confederation, will declare independence unilaterally and will be joined to Albania.

Dear Serb Posters Kosovo status resolution is going on its projected path. The road to Kosovo's independence is all but inevitable. No human-made law, national or international, will be able to stop the march of 2 million people in their historical quest to make the final step towards complete national sovereignty.

Jovan,

I cannot recall when, but I did read somewhere that there was a Serbian that lived in China a while ago.

I guess that makes China Serbian!

Also I find amusing your comment (below).

‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
it is each and everytime very frightening to witness HOW LITTLE most of the writers here know about their own history, not only Albanians, but also Serbs or Croats.
‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’

I find is amusing for three facts:

1. Albanians are put first in the list (as per your words “not only Albanians”).
2. You added Serbs to "prove" that your comment is not biased
3. Your attempts to give history lessons to Albanians and Croats. Who are next: Slovenians, Bosnians and Macedonians?

I can assure you that Albanians know their history better that you while in their sleep.
Once again Jovan, please stop giving us history lessons. We know who we are, where we lived, who are ancestors are. So do you and you do not see me trying to give you history lessons.

To finalise my comment I find your next comment offensive:

‘’’’’’’’’
unbelievable. you are almost all arguing with some superficial knowledge here.
‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’

Just because you might not accept other peoples views (or those that are not in line with your view of the Balkans history) you should not resolve to arrogance. You might have a degree in Serbian history but comments like that put you in a different view.

To clean cut and the rest of the 'greater albania' dreamers:
Kostunica is the main reason that your 'greater albania' plan has failed. His close relations and lobbying of Russia have killed your dream of stealing sacred Serbian land. So I say go ahead and keep belittling and insulting great diplomats like Kostunica and Putin, it will only help us. We have the Russian veto in our pocket (and probably a Chinese one too), we have most of the world on our side (despite all the propoganda you hear), we have a divided EU with several countries who are dead against unilateral independence, we have a growing economy, we have control of north Kosovo which happens to control your water supplies, we have international law and justice on our side, we know we are right and we will never surrender.
What do you have? You have America troops who will not stay in Kosovo forever. Do you know what will happen when they eventually leave, with Serbia still legally owning Kosovo? Think about it.
You are better off trying to be good Serbian citizens instead of supporting terrorism and separatism. Kosovo has always been Serbian, and it always will be, don't you forget that.
Cheers!

Do you know what will happen when they (American troops) eventually leave, with Serbia still legally owning Kosovo? Think about it.

(Dragan, 6 January 2008 17:02)


Dragan, what will happen when the American troops leave?
Another 1999?
Is this a threat that you are posting?

Please refrain yourself from comments like this.

Jovan: We should send you to explain to the Croatians south of Split. That they are really Orthodox Serbs that their ancestars were not very smart and were duped and you Jovan have the hole Serb truth because your so intelligent lets see how far you get. Maybe for the hole of former Yugoslavia on your theories that their all Serbs but just don't know it yet and your their to shed Serbian light on them.

Dream on, Clean Cut. At least Kostunica has the guts to stand up for his country's integrity and challenge the EU to abide by international law. As an EU citizen I am quite appalled by the actions of some of its members.

don´t worry, there won´t be neither a clean cut, nor is there any advantage for your greater-albania-cause created by Mr. Koštunica´s statement.

you are just filled up with misinformation of your albanian yellow-papers...

and those comments about everything being in your interest, I mean everything the serbian prime-minister says...are nothing but laughable.

Lenard; Greater Serbia? What about Greater Croatia? 300,000 Serbs ethnically cleansed from lands that have been Serbian for centuries. Was the Dalmatian Coast all the way to Dubrovnik historically part of Croatia? Talk about hypocrisy!! Trying to keep lands that have belonged to your people for centuries is not expansion, but taking land that never was yours is (Krajina, Southern Dalmatia)!

Yes that's absolutely right. It's their choice. The Serbian government has to take sharp measures against any country that decides to support unilateral declaration of independance. Companies from such countries must be barred from participation in the privatization process. Those already in the country should be scrutinized more closely e.g. their financial books, environmental, health standards etc. This should be conducted in a transparent way to show that the government can and will punish those countries which do not respect Serbian constitution and laws.

Thanks.

Naim said >> Kostunica think he can scare the European union, that has so much more power then ever had in his entire life.

Naim it is quite clear that the EU is scared, otherwise you would have been independent by now. And why shouldn't they be scared, they are thinking of destroying international law, this is not something you consider lightly.

Its now January 6, and soon it will be February 6 and so on, when will the Albanians figure out a new Muslim state will not be created in the heart of Europe by stealing 15% of a sovereign nation.

"Kostunica is a warmonger, why do you think he poses with Kalashnikov's (ak-47)?
(KS, 6 January 2008 14:44)"

because at that time, as he has repeatedly publicly said, he was not that sensitized in regard to the negative impression it would make, he himself said afterwards said it was insensitive and not really smart since he was not aware, that the journalist who asked him to pose with it would make such a "story" of it.
and as we can see in the reiterated critics of the albanian boys here, it was indeed not very smart to follow the journalist request to pose with that rifle.

what is interesting, not one single albanian poster seems to feel the necessity to critisize ceku or taci for terrorizing the civilian population of the serbian province with guns like that...

in that case, it seems to be okay for the albanian posters...

strange approach, indeed.

Fatmir said >> Do you really think putin can stop USA an the EU. you all heard bush in tirana last summer. accept and move on.

Dear Fatmir, he has already stopped the USA, are you independent? NO! What happen to Dec 10, NOTHING! What happened to the beginning of January? NOTHING! what will happen next month? NOTHING!

I think its pretty clear that he has stopped the US!

SinSity,

it is very likely that you even realy believe what you wrote about the Serbs in the areas of todays Croatia.

just one hint for you, at the times when the Serbs settled there in greater numbers they did so, not only because they were settled there by the austro-hungarian powers, but also because there were ALREADY Serbs living there.

SinSity, just in case you are a Croatian, the whole mediterranean coast up to the region of todays coast-city Split was once serbian inhabited land.

you probably did not know that, and that a part of todays croatian population descends from catholicized Serbs, who were assimilated through the centuries.

it is each and everytime very frightening to witness HOW LITTLE most of the writers here know about their own history, not only Albanians, but also Serbs or Croats.

unbelievable. you are almost all arguing with some superficial knowledge here.

it´s no wonder some war-profiteers could use that in order to inflict hatred among the balkan-nations.

yeah Blero, you know your koha-ditore-history by heart... I believe you that.

but all you do ( not you personally, I mean most Albanians here ) is referring to some Encyclopedia Brittanica editions from 1911, since that was the last editon that printed that nonsense...

you certainly are also saying that those US-american archeological-histiorian teams in the late 80ies were paid by Tito, to declare the illyrian myth as what it is, a mere illusion.

but you may continue to think whatever you want... since Serbia is a free country, you can even believe to be the descendent of Elvis...

@Lenard:

Duklija,Travunja,Zahumlje and Paganija...were all serbian lands in the early middle ages. why don´t you educate yourself befor accusing me of writing propaganda? why don´t you just check it, before you dare to type that kind of accusations? I do not expect an answer on that, for obvious reasons.

arrogance is ( sad but true ) what the Albanians are displaying here! it´s you who is threatening with violence if you do not get what you want, actually, isn´t that quite a childish behaviour?

yeah Blero, you know your koha-ditore-history by heart... I believe you that.

(Jovan, 7 January 2008 21:18)

Dear Jovan,

I know that you will not believe this but I have never read any article from Koha Ditore.
I am also not claiming to know the Serbian history (or at least the Serbian Version of the History of Balkan).
But I know this.
Your knowledge of anything that has to do with Albanian history is so poor that compares to the knowledge that my 1 year daughter has in that matter.
Little knowledge is a dangerous thing Jovan, however when that little knowledge is used in the way you are doing it simply becomes disastrous.

So, we don’t keep on commenting in each others comments can we please agree on the following?

You know and accept the Serbian version of the history of Albanians and Serbians. whereas I know and accept the Albanian version of it. I know that you will say that there is only one version of a history (but which one is true then????)

I do not see these two trains meeting at any point.
Therefore once again, please do not try to teach us our history. We have our historians that get paid for that job (and you might not believe this, but they do a better job then you).
In return I will not try to teach you your history.