ETA to follow Kosovo example

DD, please update your info statistics about the 10 thousands deaths, it has been revised years ago to a lot smaller number. Besides, the number includes all deaths, not just Albanians. Shall we talk about the murders of Serbs by Albanian Nazis during WWII? - or does your history only go back to 1999, which is where conveniently Albanian history in Kosovo starts, unless of course we are talking about the mythical illyrians, then it's pre-historic. Are all Albanians tought propoganda methods in school? The West's handling of Kosovo will set an amazing chain reaction across the world that will be a catastrophy no one will be able to handle. As usual, the US/EU beaurocrats look at the world with rolled up money as their telescope.

And I thought Kosovo was the unique case and do not represent the presedent. I almost believed when Mr Solana tried to convince the entire Europe on this.

sk,

the whole world is calling the serbian southern-province Kosovo.

don´t you know?


as to the article:
how about B92 publishing a direct reaction on this above published ETA-threat of preferably Mr.Montgomery or Burns, Wisner or at least who ever thinks to be smart enough to answer...

:)

I think the spanish people will know how to decide on the Kosovo-issue.

The domino effect is happening. It's real people. And the ones to blame are the countries that support the UDI of Kosovo. 10,000... Please.

The Kosovo snowball is starting to roll and it can naturally only get bigger. It has to eventually crashland where those who created it in the first place live.

Funny how ETA problem is compared with Kosovo. In Kosovo, only 8 years ago, more than 10,000 people are not accounted for and ETA was responsible for 840 deaths in the last 40 years. Yeah...it's the same...

I agree that Kosovo is a unique case in the sense that it is an example to all others HOW to do it.

It will be the first to declare independence through violence but all the others will follow.

I agree with one of the previous posters. Mr Montgomery we would like to hear your views now. You seem to have all the answers, so why so quiet?

We Basque have the right to have a nation.
The Basque nation was the Nabarra kingdom with the three French Basque provinces included.

As I explian in my PhD. we Basque have continue the transmission of the language, culture and even some of the old laws until today.

But the core of our culture was based in the equal rights of the women.

Even under Franco women did not need the permission of their husband to open their businessses of bank accounts as it happened in other parts of Spain.

Today Women are just part of the decoration in our society and our politics.
Our women dont even deliver their babies, they have surrogate mothers.
They don't breast feed them or take care of them.

Coming back to the subject we Basque have a root to continue our pace even when we were in different political nations or communities.

The violence originated with ETA had divided the Basque society.

If the French Basque region still waiting is because the yare scared of the violence.

Basque don't need ETA to represent them in the world.
ETA is just a problem and a liability for us.

"The Scottish National Party did not at all secure a majority in the 2007 Scottish parliament elections. They received a third of the vote and 47 out of 129 seats. It is now a minority government, but to hold a referendum it will need to pass a vote in the Scottish parliament which seems unlikey as Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem parties are against it and they are more than half the seats.
(PJD, 5 January 2008 13:39)"

PJD,

Have you read this Telegraph article? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/26/nunion26.xml

If this article is reliable, obviously it both peoples on either side of the Hadrian Wall that want to separate, not just the Scots.

Then why is Westminster so opposed to what would be an amicable divorce between the English and Scots? I can think of a couple of good reason -- the desire to hold on to power. A break up of the UK, following the Yugoslav precedent, would mean an end to the UK's glorious veto power in the UN. Because England will have to apply as a UN member all over again just like the ex-Yugoslav republics. Only don't expect an easy entry .... I can just visualize Moscow and Beijing rubbing their hands with glee before casting their vetoes!

And oh, yes, the loss of Scotland's North Sea oil too .... imagine how humongous London's oil bill will become if they lose this precious Scottish resource!

"In Scotland, the Scottish National Party secured a majority in elections to the Scottish parliament in May, and is looking to hold a referendum for independence in 2010."

The Scottish National Party did not at all secure a majority in the 2007 Scottish parliament elections. They received a third of the vote and 47 out of 129 seats. It is now a minority government, but to hold a referendum it will need to pass a vote in the Scottish parliament which seems unlikey as Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem parties are against it and they are more than half the seats.

If you don't know that Kosova is a unique case..than you don't know a lot about Kosova (or as you call it 'kosovo').

If you don't know that "Kosova is a unique case..than you don't know a lot about Kosova (or as you call it 'kosovo').
(KS, 5 January 2008 16:45)"

Get real KS. No 2 cases are exactly alilke, in that sense EVERY case is unique. And it therefore follows that there should be no separate set of international rules for Kosovo.

eguia uria maria luisa,

So, from your post I made a conclusion that Basques would like to be independent but they still don't do anything on that issue. There is only ETA that is doing something but ETA does not have the support from your people. So, now, how then you think to achieve the goal?

LOL, ETA is unique as well and yes i know about Kosovo.

The "exception" of Kosovo will become the norm if the EU gets is way with Kosovo independence. How is anyone going to constrain any national separatist movement when all they have to do to become an "exception" is to promote/participate the killing of thousands of people. It recognises violence as a legitimate political tool. This should be avoided at all costs as it promotes the most primitive of though processess and human bigotry.

eguia uria maria luisa,
It is very nice to have a Basque speak for their case as you did. What is wrong with serbs trying to talk for the basque? Serbs lost their chance to talk to Albanians in the last 100 years of occupation and lost Kosova for good. Why should serb posters attempt to aide the bask in issues that are basque.
eguia uria maria luisa,
I agree with you. People like you will achieve to do what is best for the basque. Happy New Year to all.

once again Kastrioti shows a lack of fact-knowledge:

Kosovo was never occupied by the Serbs, since they liberated it in the Balkan Wars and it came back to it´s rightful owners after centuries of foreign occupation, that was supported by albanian vasalls.

you should at least to honest.
it was the Albanians, who helped the Ottomans and supported them in terrorizing the native population.

KS,

Kosovo is a unique case it is only so because 'we' made it that way.

The Basques had NOTHING for centuries in Spain and France. While the Albanians had a lot of rights in Serbia.

Enough is enough.

You are just a minority in Serbia. Not more. But not less either!

Serbia is your country!

FROM AFP: "Spain, for example, has had to deal with a long-running struggle by militant Basque separatists for independence for their region, a conflict that has claimed more than 800 deaths over four decades".


Do you have any idea of WHAT DIFFERENT STORIES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? Only on my city, Prizren, serb killed over 1000 albanians in just one year (1999). I am not talking about the other years.

Lowe, that poll is over a year old and a more recent one gives very different results:

http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/pdfs/2007_dec_sunday_telegraph_union_poll.pdf

see question 10. Vast majorities in all parts of the UK for its continuence.

Even if Scotland did become independent and left the UK, the UK would continue with England, Wales and Northern Ireland and wouldn't need to reapply to join the UN. Russia remained a member of the security council in 1991 after the USSR ended.

My point was the the B92 article was misleading the reader.

I don’t really think solving a problem in Kosovo (10,887 km²) will have an effect on the whole world. Kosovo was part of former Yugoslavia, a country which no longer exists. Kosovo has the same right as the other former parts of former Yug. It’s only a legal technicality.

"it was the Albanians, who helped the Ottomans and supported them in terrorizing the native population."
(Jovan, 6 January 2008 20:27)

Jovan, come on, stop playing victims going back to Ottomans. It doesn't justify anything of what happened 8 years ago, it can't. I'd like to ask to the serbian posters here, why does Serbia celebrate a defeat...1389. I have never heard of any other country celebrate defeats.

Robert, other former Yugoslav countries separated because they were independent states before Yugoslavia. Kosovo was never a state but a province, and you should be able to see the difference in that. If the Kosovo Albanians don't like living in Serbia then they can go back to their motherland. The Kurds don't even have their own land but noone complains when the Turks kill them and forbid them from even saying their nationality because the West doesn't want to offend them, but in Serbia's case the West supports separation. Why do you think that is? Kosovo is a cultural treasure for Serbia and Eastern Orthodoxy. How would Americans react if Mexicans decided to declare L.A. independent? Kosovo was, is and should always remain Serbian

“Robert, other former Yugoslav countries separated because they were independent states before Yugoslavia. Kosovo was never a state but a province, and you should be able to see the difference in that. If the Kosovo Albanians don't like living in Serbia then they can go back to their motherland. The Kurds don't even have their own land but noone complains when the Turks kill them and forbid them from even saying their nationality because the West doesn't want to offend them, but in Serbia's case the West supports separation. Why do you think that is? Kosovo is a cultural treasure for Serbia and Eastern Orthodoxy. How would Americans react if Mexicans decided to declare L.A. independent? Kosovo was, is and should always remain Serbian”
(Orthos, 7 January 2008 03:28)


-Indeed, that’s why I said it is a legal technicality. The only thing Serbia can hold on to for the time being is res 1244. You can forget about your claim on history etc. Turkey has more rights historically than Serbia to claim Kosovo.


FYI:
1. Albanians are not Kurds
2. Serbia is not Turkey
3. Kosovo is a cultural treasure for many people, not just Serbs. Montenegro (“Raska”) is independent and you don’t seem to have a problem with that.
4. Albanians are not Mexicans in LA
5. Kosovo was and still is part of Serbia, legally speaking
6. Kosovo will declare independence this year and a prompt recognition will follow

"I'd like to ask to the serbian posters here, why does Serbia celebrate a defeat...1389. I have never heard of any other country celebrate defeats.
(shqarthi, 7 January 2008 01:51)"

my dear friend, that is something you will never understand...

it´s about self-sacrifice for higher values than victory over an attacking enemy.

but, my dear friend...the next time the Serbs will chose victory. ;)

@Robert:

perhaps you should educate yourself on the meaning of the term "legal succession"...

albeit a few dozen times explained to the Albanians here, it seems like some still don´t get it...

To the people who is asking me how we Basques can get reunite the two Basque countries in France and Spain, without the violence of ETA.
Is simple.
The European Union, which is taking for ever to be a real and practical union, have to be a federal union as is the USA.
This is taking for ever because ETA and other terrorists still there.
No one in the French Basque wants the insecurity that in mining not only the social net but even the old identity.
Europe needs a president with executive powers and a parliament with real power.
But this have to be done with the respect for democracy conquered for some nations.
I will explain myself.
Most of the Europeans don't know that in Basque Country and some parts of Catalonia and Aquitania we had "FUEROS"
"Fueros" were the old laws.
While in the rest if Europe existed the Feudalism where the King and the Aristocracy were the ruling people, and the only ones with rights of voice and vote.

In the mentioned countries we had a voice and a vote from each "FIRE" as is wrote.
This means that the rights came from very far in history.

The "Fuego" "Fire" or "Foiyer" is a symbol of the first human shelters the "caves"
The humans started fires to get ride of beast as much as to get warmth.
Each family or Shelter had a vote and most of the land was communitarian.

The kings were the notaries to certify and sing the agreements among the villagers.
And the king protect them for a fee from invaders and vandals.
Today's socialism or even the social democracy are not comparable.
Today we vote to a party and the ruling party makes the decisions.

Before it was the villeagers who made the decisions.
It is not the same.
I am speaking ot the direct democracy.
Today we have delegated democracy.
I think that the world of internet could bring us a little more of democracy.

And for the reunion of the all Basque provinces?
The Spanish constitution have a clause where Nabarre and the Basque Autonomy can be reunited if Nabarra wants it.
For France, I don't think it would be a problem to open the borders completelly if the violence ceases for ever.

If you don't know that Kosova is a unique case..than you don't know a lot about Kosova (or as you call it 'kosovo').

Funny how ETA problem is compared with Kosovo. In Kosovo, only 8 years ago, more than 10,000 people are not accounted for and ETA was responsible for 840 deaths in the last 40 years. Yeah...it's the same...

“Robert, other former Yugoslav countries separated because they were independent states before Yugoslavia. Kosovo was never a state but a province, and you should be able to see the difference in that. If the Kosovo Albanians don't like living in Serbia then they can go back to their motherland. The Kurds don't even have their own land but noone complains when the Turks kill them and forbid them from even saying their nationality because the West doesn't want to offend them, but in Serbia's case the West supports separation. Why do you think that is? Kosovo is a cultural treasure for Serbia and Eastern Orthodoxy. How would Americans react if Mexicans decided to declare L.A. independent? Kosovo was, is and should always remain Serbian”
(Orthos, 7 January 2008 03:28)


-Indeed, that’s why I said it is a legal technicality. The only thing Serbia can hold on to for the time being is res 1244. You can forget about your claim on history etc. Turkey has more rights historically than Serbia to claim Kosovo.


FYI:
1. Albanians are not Kurds
2. Serbia is not Turkey
3. Kosovo is a cultural treasure for many people, not just Serbs. Montenegro (“Raska”) is independent and you don’t seem to have a problem with that.
4. Albanians are not Mexicans in LA
5. Kosovo was and still is part of Serbia, legally speaking
6. Kosovo will declare independence this year and a prompt recognition will follow

And I thought Kosovo was the unique case and do not represent the presedent. I almost believed when Mr Solana tried to convince the entire Europe on this.

DD, please update your info statistics about the 10 thousands deaths, it has been revised years ago to a lot smaller number. Besides, the number includes all deaths, not just Albanians. Shall we talk about the murders of Serbs by Albanian Nazis during WWII? - or does your history only go back to 1999, which is where conveniently Albanian history in Kosovo starts, unless of course we are talking about the mythical illyrians, then it's pre-historic. Are all Albanians tought propoganda methods in school? The West's handling of Kosovo will set an amazing chain reaction across the world that will be a catastrophy no one will be able to handle. As usual, the US/EU beaurocrats look at the world with rolled up money as their telescope.

The Kosovo snowball is starting to roll and it can naturally only get bigger. It has to eventually crashland where those who created it in the first place live.

The domino effect is happening. It's real people. And the ones to blame are the countries that support the UDI of Kosovo. 10,000... Please.

sk,

the whole world is calling the serbian southern-province Kosovo.

don´t you know?


as to the article:
how about B92 publishing a direct reaction on this above published ETA-threat of preferably Mr.Montgomery or Burns, Wisner or at least who ever thinks to be smart enough to answer...

:)

I think the spanish people will know how to decide on the Kosovo-issue.

eguia uria maria luisa,

So, from your post I made a conclusion that Basques would like to be independent but they still don't do anything on that issue. There is only ETA that is doing something but ETA does not have the support from your people. So, now, how then you think to achieve the goal?

I agree that Kosovo is a unique case in the sense that it is an example to all others HOW to do it.

It will be the first to declare independence through violence but all the others will follow.

I agree with one of the previous posters. Mr Montgomery we would like to hear your views now. You seem to have all the answers, so why so quiet?

I don’t really think solving a problem in Kosovo (10,887 km²) will have an effect on the whole world. Kosovo was part of former Yugoslavia, a country which no longer exists. Kosovo has the same right as the other former parts of former Yug. It’s only a legal technicality.

"In Scotland, the Scottish National Party secured a majority in elections to the Scottish parliament in May, and is looking to hold a referendum for independence in 2010."

The Scottish National Party did not at all secure a majority in the 2007 Scottish parliament elections. They received a third of the vote and 47 out of 129 seats. It is now a minority government, but to hold a referendum it will need to pass a vote in the Scottish parliament which seems unlikey as Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem parties are against it and they are more than half the seats.

We Basque have the right to have a nation.
The Basque nation was the Nabarra kingdom with the three French Basque provinces included.

As I explian in my PhD. we Basque have continue the transmission of the language, culture and even some of the old laws until today.

But the core of our culture was based in the equal rights of the women.

Even under Franco women did not need the permission of their husband to open their businessses of bank accounts as it happened in other parts of Spain.

Today Women are just part of the decoration in our society and our politics.
Our women dont even deliver their babies, they have surrogate mothers.
They don't breast feed them or take care of them.

Coming back to the subject we Basque have a root to continue our pace even when we were in different political nations or communities.

The violence originated with ETA had divided the Basque society.

If the French Basque region still waiting is because the yare scared of the violence.

Basque don't need ETA to represent them in the world.
ETA is just a problem and a liability for us.

If you don't know that "Kosova is a unique case..than you don't know a lot about Kosova (or as you call it 'kosovo').
(KS, 5 January 2008 16:45)"

Get real KS. No 2 cases are exactly alilke, in that sense EVERY case is unique. And it therefore follows that there should be no separate set of international rules for Kosovo.

LOL, ETA is unique as well and yes i know about Kosovo.

"The Scottish National Party did not at all secure a majority in the 2007 Scottish parliament elections. They received a third of the vote and 47 out of 129 seats. It is now a minority government, but to hold a referendum it will need to pass a vote in the Scottish parliament which seems unlikey as Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem parties are against it and they are more than half the seats.
(PJD, 5 January 2008 13:39)"

PJD,

Have you read this Telegraph article? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/26/nunion26.xml

If this article is reliable, obviously it both peoples on either side of the Hadrian Wall that want to separate, not just the Scots.

Then why is Westminster so opposed to what would be an amicable divorce between the English and Scots? I can think of a couple of good reason -- the desire to hold on to power. A break up of the UK, following the Yugoslav precedent, would mean an end to the UK's glorious veto power in the UN. Because England will have to apply as a UN member all over again just like the ex-Yugoslav republics. Only don't expect an easy entry .... I can just visualize Moscow and Beijing rubbing their hands with glee before casting their vetoes!

And oh, yes, the loss of Scotland's North Sea oil too .... imagine how humongous London's oil bill will become if they lose this precious Scottish resource!

The "exception" of Kosovo will become the norm if the EU gets is way with Kosovo independence. How is anyone going to constrain any national separatist movement when all they have to do to become an "exception" is to promote/participate the killing of thousands of people. It recognises violence as a legitimate political tool. This should be avoided at all costs as it promotes the most primitive of though processess and human bigotry.

eguia uria maria luisa,
It is very nice to have a Basque speak for their case as you did. What is wrong with serbs trying to talk for the basque? Serbs lost their chance to talk to Albanians in the last 100 years of occupation and lost Kosova for good. Why should serb posters attempt to aide the bask in issues that are basque.
eguia uria maria luisa,
I agree with you. People like you will achieve to do what is best for the basque. Happy New Year to all.

once again Kastrioti shows a lack of fact-knowledge:

Kosovo was never occupied by the Serbs, since they liberated it in the Balkan Wars and it came back to it´s rightful owners after centuries of foreign occupation, that was supported by albanian vasalls.

you should at least to honest.
it was the Albanians, who helped the Ottomans and supported them in terrorizing the native population.

Lowe, that poll is over a year old and a more recent one gives very different results:

http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/pdfs/2007_dec_sunday_telegraph_union_poll.pdf

see question 10. Vast majorities in all parts of the UK for its continuence.

Even if Scotland did become independent and left the UK, the UK would continue with England, Wales and Northern Ireland and wouldn't need to reapply to join the UN. Russia remained a member of the security council in 1991 after the USSR ended.

My point was the the B92 article was misleading the reader.

KS,

Kosovo is a unique case it is only so because 'we' made it that way.

The Basques had NOTHING for centuries in Spain and France. While the Albanians had a lot of rights in Serbia.

Enough is enough.

You are just a minority in Serbia. Not more. But not less either!

Serbia is your country!

"it was the Albanians, who helped the Ottomans and supported them in terrorizing the native population."
(Jovan, 6 January 2008 20:27)

Jovan, come on, stop playing victims going back to Ottomans. It doesn't justify anything of what happened 8 years ago, it can't. I'd like to ask to the serbian posters here, why does Serbia celebrate a defeat...1389. I have never heard of any other country celebrate defeats.

Robert, other former Yugoslav countries separated because they were independent states before Yugoslavia. Kosovo was never a state but a province, and you should be able to see the difference in that. If the Kosovo Albanians don't like living in Serbia then they can go back to their motherland. The Kurds don't even have their own land but noone complains when the Turks kill them and forbid them from even saying their nationality because the West doesn't want to offend them, but in Serbia's case the West supports separation. Why do you think that is? Kosovo is a cultural treasure for Serbia and Eastern Orthodoxy. How would Americans react if Mexicans decided to declare L.A. independent? Kosovo was, is and should always remain Serbian

FROM AFP: "Spain, for example, has had to deal with a long-running struggle by militant Basque separatists for independence for their region, a conflict that has claimed more than 800 deaths over four decades".


Do you have any idea of WHAT DIFFERENT STORIES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? Only on my city, Prizren, serb killed over 1000 albanians in just one year (1999). I am not talking about the other years.

"I'd like to ask to the serbian posters here, why does Serbia celebrate a defeat...1389. I have never heard of any other country celebrate defeats.
(shqarthi, 7 January 2008 01:51)"

my dear friend, that is something you will never understand...

it´s about self-sacrifice for higher values than victory over an attacking enemy.

but, my dear friend...the next time the Serbs will chose victory. ;)

@Robert:

perhaps you should educate yourself on the meaning of the term "legal succession"...

albeit a few dozen times explained to the Albanians here, it seems like some still don´t get it...

To the people who is asking me how we Basques can get reunite the two Basque countries in France and Spain, without the violence of ETA.
Is simple.
The European Union, which is taking for ever to be a real and practical union, have to be a federal union as is the USA.
This is taking for ever because ETA and other terrorists still there.
No one in the French Basque wants the insecurity that in mining not only the social net but even the old identity.
Europe needs a president with executive powers and a parliament with real power.
But this have to be done with the respect for democracy conquered for some nations.
I will explain myself.
Most of the Europeans don't know that in Basque Country and some parts of Catalonia and Aquitania we had "FUEROS"
"Fueros" were the old laws.
While in the rest if Europe existed the Feudalism where the King and the Aristocracy were the ruling people, and the only ones with rights of voice and vote.

In the mentioned countries we had a voice and a vote from each "FIRE" as is wrote.
This means that the rights came from very far in history.

The "Fuego" "Fire" or "Foiyer" is a symbol of the first human shelters the "caves"
The humans started fires to get ride of beast as much as to get warmth.
Each family or Shelter had a vote and most of the land was communitarian.

The kings were the notaries to certify and sing the agreements among the villagers.
And the king protect them for a fee from invaders and vandals.
Today's socialism or even the social democracy are not comparable.
Today we vote to a party and the ruling party makes the decisions.

Before it was the villeagers who made the decisions.
It is not the same.
I am speaking ot the direct democracy.
Today we have delegated democracy.
I think that the world of internet could bring us a little more of democracy.

And for the reunion of the all Basque provinces?
The Spanish constitution have a clause where Nabarre and the Basque Autonomy can be reunited if Nabarra wants it.
For France, I don't think it would be a problem to open the borders completelly if the violence ceases for ever.