As a Macedonain this individual needs to be careful as he openly and implicitly threatens Macedonia but fails to understand Kosovo is very Dependant on it's neighbors.
Just out of curiosity how many countries have declared unilateral independence and then joined the UN? How many became independent because the UN said so?
I know Serbia declared its unilateral independence and then joined the UN. I know Albania declared its unilateral independence and then joined the UN. I know Croatia, Greece, Macedonia, Slovenia, Poland, Chzeck Republic, Hungary etc etc. first declared their unilateral independence then joined the UN. As a matter of fact most countries in the world first declared their unilateral independence then joined the UN. As a matter of fact declaring unilateral independence then joining the UN is the norm. Letting the UN decide on your independence is the abnormality.
Do you really think that the Albanians didn’t try to create problems when Kosovo was placed under UN and NATO protection? Albanians in Macedonia and the Presevo Valley tried to use Kosovo as a precedent for their “right to self-determination” and tried to use it to create their Greater Albania. But NATO, the EU, and the US saw the results of its work and didn’t step in this time to save the supposed victims. Instead they told the Albanians to work within their governments for minority issues. No more victim card for the Albanians.
Mr Sejdiu, you are provoking your neighbours, but on the contrary you claim to respect their territory? Your threats are heard loud and clear. Your govt supports terroism and separatism. Your neighbours were kind enough to accept refugees from Kosovo and Albania and it is these very same refugees that demand independance???
You also failed to mention the minorities in Kosovo and Albania. Can they declare independance also? Perhaps my long lost cousin from Mala Prespa (today's Albania) can call himself a Macedonian without his life being threatened.
It has been proven time and again, that a different rule of law applies to Albanian's in the Balkans to any other citizen.
I support independance of Kosovo, but the criminals in government have stop brainwashing the civilians with such comments.
"“It is important for us to keep a cool head, to keep our stability, not to fall into traps of provocation which may come, because they may indeed come,” he concluded."
that sounds as if someone is trying to prepare the public for some albanian-caused atrocities...
this figure shouldn´t play with fire, since he is playing "president" on serbian territory...
and last but not least, a short question to Nick, who says that Kosovo broke away in 1999...
can you, Nick, tell us why you are so desperately threatening with violence TODAY, IF Kosovo broke away in ´99?
Kosovo's illicit partition will open Pandora's Box and redraw the map of Europe!
Both the Serbs and Kosovo Albanians need to come to a simple reality check that any illegal UCI would result in a defacto and likely violent crisis in Kosovo and the overall Balkans (with extensive and detrimental ramifications for all of Europe and world beyond).
Enough is enough of the games, brinksmanship, hypocrisy and duplicity. Europe and all the parties involved here need to realize they need to live with the international standards by which they painfully created and diplomatically established: The UN is the ultimate authority when it comes to International Law and the Helisinki Accords established the current boundaries of Europe. Kosovo is a province of Serbia; The EU and NATO have no authority other then what has been estabished via UN Resolution 1244. Any attempts to void this reality are counterproductive and will result in a de facto debacle!
Both the Serbs and Kosovo Albanians need to come to a undertanding that both Russia and the USA have their own interests and ulterior agendas.
The USA has proven to be self-serving, arrogant and naive when it comes to international relations (especially under the Bush Administration; look at the mess the USA has created globally for itself, especially in Iraq, the Middle East and Afghanistan). Russia may be baiting this situation for its own needs... If the Kosovo Albanians can declare UDI, why not the many nationalities of the former Soviet Union who may not want to be in the successor republics. This applies especially for the millions of Russians in Ukraine (Crimea), the Baltic states and elsewhere (AND lets not forget Belarus and other republics who may want to federate once again with a resurgant Russia).
Furthermore the Europeans have conducted themselves in a shameful manner... NATO and the EU need to uphold their own charters and establishing principles; yet they do not! What is wrong with them? Don't they realize the folly they are creating for themselves! I strongly suggest some of the posters here start reading what is happening elsewhere in Europe (Scotland, Flanders, Catalonia, the Basque territories... and even with the nationalistic/ethnic resurgence movements in Venice, Corsica, Fresia, South Tryol and other many historical regions of France, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain, Italy and elsewhere!). Time to wake up OR face the machiavillian consequences of their own making!
The Kosovo Albanians, Serbs and the Europeans should think twice before they open this dangerous Pandora's Box. BUT, stipudity and nationalistic emotions are hard to hold down and it looks like they are playing themselves out as they have done in 1914 (start of WWI)and 1938 (with the ilicit partition of Czechoslovkia at the violent urgings of the Studtenland Germans and Nazi Germany). Is Kosovo becoming the Apple of Discord? Bon appetite on trying to crave up Kosovo!
This Sejdiu guy is essentially threatening Albanian terrorism in other parts of the Balkans if they do not get what they want how they want it and it is OK since NATO is on his side.He must know he is contradicting himself with statements like this right? Everyone knows if Kosovo is taken from Srbija this will destabilize the whole area and Albanians would join Albania .In one sentence it will stabilize the area and if the north separates it will destabilize the area.What a joke.
folks, I've got to admit it; I thought that Mr. Ruecker completely emptied the comedy jackpot last week. But now I can see Mr. Sejdiu knows to milk same machine even better.
Whatever happens with Kosovo, historians will have great time in future. If they just can believe that all these statements were actually delivered.
I'm not sure if this is for real, but just an episode of Monty Python.
Kosova broke away from Serbia in 1999 and Pandora's Box did not open.
(Nick KS, 4 January 2008)
Well see the thing is Kosovo did not break away from Srbija in 1999 they tried and failed and they are trying again today.If Kosovo broke from Srbija in 1999 why have you not declared independence? Albanian logic or wishful thinking? Srbija will NEVER accept Kosovo-Metohija as seperate.No matter what NATO/Germany/US says or does.
NATO the world Army, well Fatmir they are there to keep the peace if you provoke a fight then a fight you will get. Partition well that is another story, Macedonia is ready to Join Nato so do you think they will allow partition in a NATO memeber state nope you just drawing your self into a corner. Serbia is not going to be isolated because the 8 billion dollar pipeline will pass through Serbia to the EU and if the EU does not play ball well freeze then
- in it it says three northern territories were once part of Serbia and were transfered to be part of Kosovo by Tito to keep up the number of Serbs in Kosovo.
It seems to me that in the event of Kosovo being allowed UDI there is no justification for it to have control of these Serb areas.
I would be interested to hear more of the history of this.
Mr Sejdiu is just following the same formula that has worked previously. Threat of violence, doomsday and more threat of violence and the sky will fall if the Albanians don't get the whole of Kosovo.
What happens when the environment changes which makes that formula obsolete?
The environment has changed. Russia and China are very opposed and don't scare any more.
So go ahead Mr. Sejdiu. Threaten violence and see if anyone is scared this time.
An Ace up the sleeve like international law supporting you would be helpful but you don't have that. Two jacks isn't enough to bluff with.
The Albanians have lost, Kosovo independence is not to happen. Fatmir and his ilk are desperate at this point. No political and military support from the EU and USA. Why do you think they keep delaying their declaration of independence? Once the Albanians realise this, they will use violence. They can't win, and concessions that were offered to them earlier will disappear.
Partition would not open the pandora box but the entire Kosovo independence will. However, if partition takes place be aware that Serbia will act by all means to prevent separatistic aspirations of the Albanians living in Presevo Valley. Those Albanians from the Valley will end up behind Serbia's borders once for good and there is no one to prevent such scenario. You can be asured that IC and NATO won't bomb Serbia again neither will confront its troops with Serbia's troops on the ground.
But what else to expect from the Albanian politicans but threats, lack of negotiating skills, lack of political analytics, lack of runing the policy, lack of diplomacy, etc.
If that was the case. . .please keep quiet and if you don't like living in Serbia move back to albania!
So, it's acceptable for albanians to steal land from Serbians on the a "population majority" argument but it's not acceptable for Serbians to apply the same logic for Northern Kosovo where they form an overwhelming majority!? Hypocrisy has no bounds with these people.
Notice something else? Once again, the albanians are using threats to further their cause. First, it was 'give us independence or there will be violence' now its 'no partition or their will be violence'!
Where I live this form of extortion is rewarded with prison terms!
THE SERPERATION OF KOSOVO FROM SERBIA WOULD OPEN PANDORAS BOX....North Kosovo staying with Serbia would be the reaction to the injustice of the IC.....This man needs an education somewhere else besides the one he got in Pristina....He needs to learn international law, and he must also learn that KOCOBO is SRBIJA!!!!! forever!!! CCCC
Mathew, there is nothing wrong with partition if it is put on the table and looked as a compromise. But Serbia, via Russia is blocking independence of K-Albanians and in the same time tries to play a dirty game with Serb minority in Kosova. You want the North?; let us have the south then, because you cannot have the whole.
When the inhabitants tell you that any other way is better than being under Serbia, you should get a point, unless you lack logic.
Even being like Afganistan, like Bosnia, like Northern Cyprus etc etc. is much much better then being under Serbia. Now do you get the point?
Its borders must be the same of the Socialist Autonomous Republic, maintaining the same Yugoslav borders that are still kept today in Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro and Macedonia.
Serbia does not deserve one inch more of territory beyond the today territories of Central Serbia plus Vojvodina.
A partition of Kosovo would just be "just" if the Kosovar government could grab a similar area in size from Albanian-populated areas of South Serbia, like the Presevo Valley.
But even this would be a very dangerous precedent.
The best solution for Kosovo is independence with unaltered borders.
Well how is he going to 'stop' partition of Kosovo if they declare unilateral 'independence'? With 16,000 NATO soldiers? You got to be kidding. This is not 1999. Things changed. Dramatically. The Serbian government has a constitutional duty to protect its citizens.
Lets be clear mr Sejdiu about
your statements.You're not
supported by the hole civilised world in your quest
for illegality.It's only
countries like USA,UK and all
the banana republics which
followed them in their illegal slaughter of Iraqis
that support you.The rest of
the world requires legality
of the UN. As for NATO, its
already bogged down in
afganistan with no end in
sight and with all NATO
countries refusing to send
any more troops there.Its an
illussion to think that NATO
countries will get involved
should hostilities emerge
in Kosovo.As for the Pandora's box, this will
definitely open once you
declare your illegal
independence.Why should the
albanians be a special case?
Lets have a minorities field
and the consequences will be
very hard to imagine.
Mr.Sejdiu says...“We are for respect of borders."
Great!
Seems clear to me that you reside within the borders of the sovereign country of Serbia, Mr. Sejdiu.
We will hold you to your word then that you are for respect of borders.
First they claim that Kosovo is a “unique situation” and cannot be a precedent for other regions, and then they say that partition would create precedents. It’s not that they can’t make up their mind, I have come to learn. It is that they want their cake and eat it to. Self determination seems to only apply to Albanians and not the Serbians who don’t want to be under Albanian rule. Look what happened when the Serbs were left to the Albanians right after NATO entered in ’99 and ’04. And they want to make sure they can do it again after independence.
KFOR is not Sejdiu’s or Kosovo’s army. It is a PEACKEEPING MISSION that deals with Kosovo, not Macedonia or the rest of the Albanian minority in Serbia. Serbia is not going to attack Kosovo. They have already and said so. It seems that Sejdiu’s comments are just inflammatory speech meant to calm the nerves of the people who voted for him. Of course, if Tadic was to say the same thing, Sejdiu would be all over it.
See Sejdiu, you still have to gain indep first. & IF you do, how do you intend to stop the North from declairing indep from the rest of Kosovo. Ask Nato to drop bombs on the unarmed civilins in the North. The IC will tell you to be happy with what you got and you will obey. Now that pandora's box your talking about, that will be the IC problem not Serbia's. Pristinas playing it smart and I tip my hat to them for their effort. They know a partition is coming when they declair indep. They also know that their declairation will open this pandora's box among other Albanians in the region that want indep also. So they are trying to pin this chain reaction on the Serbs in the North when they declair indep from Pristina. Making them look like the innocent one's that just want indep from the big bad Serbs. Sorry, but the IC already know's that Pristinas declairation of indep will swing open pandora's box not only around the region but around the world also. VS in valley.
“It is important for us to keep a cool head, to keep our stability, not to fall into traps of provocation which may come, because they may indeed come,” he concluded.
This says everything,
an obscure group is in both sides and trying to cooperate together to make provocation. They are from different sides, but they are the same.
They fear once Kosova independent. At least we are expecting them to show their heads and true nature.
Sediju cannot comprehend the contradiction his words with what he would "hope" the US will do by partitioning Serbia.
Thus we will find No partition what so ever - all of Kosovo & Metohija in the whole of Serbia is the only continued resolution seeing as UN 1244 remains irrespective of illegal declarations!
ok so they want to seperate and then join the eu together with serbia... this wholse issue is pathetic they will only end up like afganistan or bosnia what else than a pupet state run by criminals and drug dealers just the way USA likes them.
Mr Sejdu: You are worried that partitioning Kosovo will open up Pandora's box, but you think partitioning Serbia will lead to regional stability. You and the people that support you are contradicting themselves.
Sejdiu is right, we must avoid opening the “Pandora’s box” at all costs. Obviously if he feels that way, he’s strongly against any UDI or any other solution that is outside the UNSC.
If its so easy to cause the Albanian populations in other countries to seek unification with Albania, Independence for Kosovo will only push these populations towards that at some point in the future.
That being said, I do actually support the Right to Self Determination for all Serbs and Albanians. It’s the ONLY long term solution with any possibility of stability.
Mr Sejdu: You are worried that partitioning Kosovo will open up Pandora's box, but you think partitioning Serbia will lead to regional stability. You and the people that support you are contradicting themselves.
THE SERPERATION OF KOSOVO FROM SERBIA WOULD OPEN PANDORAS BOX....North Kosovo staying with Serbia would be the reaction to the injustice of the IC.....This man needs an education somewhere else besides the one he got in Pristina....He needs to learn international law, and he must also learn that KOCOBO is SRBIJA!!!!! forever!!! CCCC
Mr.Sejdiu says...“We are for respect of borders."
Great!
Seems clear to me that you reside within the borders of the sovereign country of Serbia, Mr. Sejdiu.
We will hold you to your word then that you are for respect of borders.
If that was the case. . .please keep quiet and if you don't like living in Serbia move back to albania!
So, it's acceptable for albanians to steal land from Serbians on the a "population majority" argument but it's not acceptable for Serbians to apply the same logic for Northern Kosovo where they form an overwhelming majority!? Hypocrisy has no bounds with these people.
Notice something else? Once again, the albanians are using threats to further their cause. First, it was 'give us independence or there will be violence' now its 'no partition or their will be violence'!
Where I live this form of extortion is rewarded with prison terms!
ok so they want to seperate and then join the eu together with serbia... this wholse issue is pathetic they will only end up like afganistan or bosnia what else than a pupet state run by criminals and drug dealers just the way USA likes them.
Partition would not open the pandora box but the entire Kosovo independence will. However, if partition takes place be aware that Serbia will act by all means to prevent separatistic aspirations of the Albanians living in Presevo Valley. Those Albanians from the Valley will end up behind Serbia's borders once for good and there is no one to prevent such scenario. You can be asured that IC and NATO won't bomb Serbia again neither will confront its troops with Serbia's troops on the ground.
But what else to expect from the Albanian politicans but threats, lack of negotiating skills, lack of political analytics, lack of runing the policy, lack of diplomacy, etc.
Lets be clear mr Sejdiu about
your statements.You're not
supported by the hole civilised world in your quest
for illegality.It's only
countries like USA,UK and all
the banana republics which
followed them in their illegal slaughter of Iraqis
that support you.The rest of
the world requires legality
of the UN. As for NATO, its
already bogged down in
afganistan with no end in
sight and with all NATO
countries refusing to send
any more troops there.Its an
illussion to think that NATO
countries will get involved
should hostilities emerge
in Kosovo.As for the Pandora's box, this will
definitely open once you
declare your illegal
independence.Why should the
albanians be a special case?
Lets have a minorities field
and the consequences will be
very hard to imagine.
Sediju cannot comprehend the contradiction his words with what he would "hope" the US will do by partitioning Serbia.
Thus we will find No partition what so ever - all of Kosovo & Metohija in the whole of Serbia is the only continued resolution seeing as UN 1244 remains irrespective of illegal declarations!
Well how is he going to 'stop' partition of Kosovo if they declare unilateral 'independence'? With 16,000 NATO soldiers? You got to be kidding. This is not 1999. Things changed. Dramatically. The Serbian government has a constitutional duty to protect its citizens.
First they claim that Kosovo is a “unique situation” and cannot be a precedent for other regions, and then they say that partition would create precedents. It’s not that they can’t make up their mind, I have come to learn. It is that they want their cake and eat it to. Self determination seems to only apply to Albanians and not the Serbians who don’t want to be under Albanian rule. Look what happened when the Serbs were left to the Albanians right after NATO entered in ’99 and ’04. And they want to make sure they can do it again after independence.
KFOR is not Sejdiu’s or Kosovo’s army. It is a PEACKEEPING MISSION that deals with Kosovo, not Macedonia or the rest of the Albanian minority in Serbia. Serbia is not going to attack Kosovo. They have already and said so. It seems that Sejdiu’s comments are just inflammatory speech meant to calm the nerves of the people who voted for him. Of course, if Tadic was to say the same thing, Sejdiu would be all over it.
Mr Sejdiu is just following the same formula that has worked previously. Threat of violence, doomsday and more threat of violence and the sky will fall if the Albanians don't get the whole of Kosovo.
What happens when the environment changes which makes that formula obsolete?
The environment has changed. Russia and China are very opposed and don't scare any more.
So go ahead Mr. Sejdiu. Threaten violence and see if anyone is scared this time.
An Ace up the sleeve like international law supporting you would be helpful but you don't have that. Two jacks isn't enough to bluff with.
See Sejdiu, you still have to gain indep first. & IF you do, how do you intend to stop the North from declairing indep from the rest of Kosovo. Ask Nato to drop bombs on the unarmed civilins in the North. The IC will tell you to be happy with what you got and you will obey. Now that pandora's box your talking about, that will be the IC problem not Serbia's. Pristinas playing it smart and I tip my hat to them for their effort. They know a partition is coming when they declair indep. They also know that their declairation will open this pandora's box among other Albanians in the region that want indep also. So they are trying to pin this chain reaction on the Serbs in the North when they declair indep from Pristina. Making them look like the innocent one's that just want indep from the big bad Serbs. Sorry, but the IC already know's that Pristinas declairation of indep will swing open pandora's box not only around the region but around the world also. VS in valley.
The Albanians have lost, Kosovo independence is not to happen. Fatmir and his ilk are desperate at this point. No political and military support from the EU and USA. Why do you think they keep delaying their declaration of independence? Once the Albanians realise this, they will use violence. They can't win, and concessions that were offered to them earlier will disappear.
NATO the world Army, well Fatmir they are there to keep the peace if you provoke a fight then a fight you will get. Partition well that is another story, Macedonia is ready to Join Nato so do you think they will allow partition in a NATO memeber state nope you just drawing your self into a corner. Serbia is not going to be isolated because the 8 billion dollar pipeline will pass through Serbia to the EU and if the EU does not play ball well freeze then
Its borders must be the same of the Socialist Autonomous Republic, maintaining the same Yugoslav borders that are still kept today in Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro and Macedonia.
Serbia does not deserve one inch more of territory beyond the today territories of Central Serbia plus Vojvodina.
A partition of Kosovo would just be "just" if the Kosovar government could grab a similar area in size from Albanian-populated areas of South Serbia, like the Presevo Valley.
But even this would be a very dangerous precedent.
The best solution for Kosovo is independence with unaltered borders.
When the inhabitants tell you that any other way is better than being under Serbia, you should get a point, unless you lack logic.
Even being like Afganistan, like Bosnia, like Northern Cyprus etc etc. is much much better then being under Serbia. Now do you get the point?
- in it it says three northern territories were once part of Serbia and were transfered to be part of Kosovo by Tito to keep up the number of Serbs in Kosovo.
It seems to me that in the event of Kosovo being allowed UDI there is no justification for it to have control of these Serb areas.
I would be interested to hear more of the history of this.
This Sejdiu guy is essentially threatening Albanian terrorism in other parts of the Balkans if they do not get what they want how they want it and it is OK since NATO is on his side.He must know he is contradicting himself with statements like this right? Everyone knows if Kosovo is taken from Srbija this will destabilize the whole area and Albanians would join Albania .In one sentence it will stabilize the area and if the north separates it will destabilize the area.What a joke.
Sejdiu is right, we must avoid opening the “Pandora’s box” at all costs. Obviously if he feels that way, he’s strongly against any UDI or any other solution that is outside the UNSC.
If its so easy to cause the Albanian populations in other countries to seek unification with Albania, Independence for Kosovo will only push these populations towards that at some point in the future.
That being said, I do actually support the Right to Self Determination for all Serbs and Albanians. It’s the ONLY long term solution with any possibility of stability.
Kosova broke away from Serbia in 1999 and Pandora's Box did not open.
(Nick KS, 4 January 2008)
Well see the thing is Kosovo did not break away from Srbija in 1999 they tried and failed and they are trying again today.If Kosovo broke from Srbija in 1999 why have you not declared independence? Albanian logic or wishful thinking? Srbija will NEVER accept Kosovo-Metohija as seperate.No matter what NATO/Germany/US says or does.
"“It is important for us to keep a cool head, to keep our stability, not to fall into traps of provocation which may come, because they may indeed come,” he concluded."
that sounds as if someone is trying to prepare the public for some albanian-caused atrocities...
this figure shouldn´t play with fire, since he is playing "president" on serbian territory...
and last but not least, a short question to Nick, who says that Kosovo broke away in 1999...
can you, Nick, tell us why you are so desperately threatening with violence TODAY, IF Kosovo broke away in ´99?
Mathew, there is nothing wrong with partition if it is put on the table and looked as a compromise. But Serbia, via Russia is blocking independence of K-Albanians and in the same time tries to play a dirty game with Serb minority in Kosova. You want the North?; let us have the south then, because you cannot have the whole.
Mr Sejdiu, you are provoking your neighbours, but on the contrary you claim to respect their territory? Your threats are heard loud and clear. Your govt supports terroism and separatism. Your neighbours were kind enough to accept refugees from Kosovo and Albania and it is these very same refugees that demand independance???
You also failed to mention the minorities in Kosovo and Albania. Can they declare independance also? Perhaps my long lost cousin from Mala Prespa (today's Albania) can call himself a Macedonian without his life being threatened.
It has been proven time and again, that a different rule of law applies to Albanian's in the Balkans to any other citizen.
I support independance of Kosovo, but the criminals in government have stop brainwashing the civilians with such comments.
Do you really think that the Albanians didn’t try to create problems when Kosovo was placed under UN and NATO protection? Albanians in Macedonia and the Presevo Valley tried to use Kosovo as a precedent for their “right to self-determination” and tried to use it to create their Greater Albania. But NATO, the EU, and the US saw the results of its work and didn’t step in this time to save the supposed victims. Instead they told the Albanians to work within their governments for minority issues. No more victim card for the Albanians.
“It is important for us to keep a cool head, to keep our stability, not to fall into traps of provocation which may come, because they may indeed come,” he concluded.
This says everything,
an obscure group is in both sides and trying to cooperate together to make provocation. They are from different sides, but they are the same.
They fear once Kosova independent. At least we are expecting them to show their heads and true nature.
folks, I've got to admit it; I thought that Mr. Ruecker completely emptied the comedy jackpot last week. But now I can see Mr. Sejdiu knows to milk same machine even better.
Whatever happens with Kosovo, historians will have great time in future. If they just can believe that all these statements were actually delivered.
I'm not sure if this is for real, but just an episode of Monty Python.
Kosovo's illicit partition will open Pandora's Box and redraw the map of Europe!
Both the Serbs and Kosovo Albanians need to come to a simple reality check that any illegal UCI would result in a defacto and likely violent crisis in Kosovo and the overall Balkans (with extensive and detrimental ramifications for all of Europe and world beyond).
Enough is enough of the games, brinksmanship, hypocrisy and duplicity. Europe and all the parties involved here need to realize they need to live with the international standards by which they painfully created and diplomatically established: The UN is the ultimate authority when it comes to International Law and the Helisinki Accords established the current boundaries of Europe. Kosovo is a province of Serbia; The EU and NATO have no authority other then what has been estabished via UN Resolution 1244. Any attempts to void this reality are counterproductive and will result in a de facto debacle!
Both the Serbs and Kosovo Albanians need to come to a undertanding that both Russia and the USA have their own interests and ulterior agendas.
The USA has proven to be self-serving, arrogant and naive when it comes to international relations (especially under the Bush Administration; look at the mess the USA has created globally for itself, especially in Iraq, the Middle East and Afghanistan). Russia may be baiting this situation for its own needs... If the Kosovo Albanians can declare UDI, why not the many nationalities of the former Soviet Union who may not want to be in the successor republics. This applies especially for the millions of Russians in Ukraine (Crimea), the Baltic states and elsewhere (AND lets not forget Belarus and other republics who may want to federate once again with a resurgant Russia).
Furthermore the Europeans have conducted themselves in a shameful manner... NATO and the EU need to uphold their own charters and establishing principles; yet they do not! What is wrong with them? Don't they realize the folly they are creating for themselves! I strongly suggest some of the posters here start reading what is happening elsewhere in Europe (Scotland, Flanders, Catalonia, the Basque territories... and even with the nationalistic/ethnic resurgence movements in Venice, Corsica, Fresia, South Tryol and other many historical regions of France, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain, Italy and elsewhere!). Time to wake up OR face the machiavillian consequences of their own making!
The Kosovo Albanians, Serbs and the Europeans should think twice before they open this dangerous Pandora's Box. BUT, stipudity and nationalistic emotions are hard to hold down and it looks like they are playing themselves out as they have done in 1914 (start of WWI)and 1938 (with the ilicit partition of Czechoslovkia at the violent urgings of the Studtenland Germans and Nazi Germany). Is Kosovo becoming the Apple of Discord? Bon appetite on trying to crave up Kosovo!
Just out of curiosity how many countries have declared unilateral independence and then joined the UN? How many became independent because the UN said so?
I know Serbia declared its unilateral independence and then joined the UN. I know Albania declared its unilateral independence and then joined the UN. I know Croatia, Greece, Macedonia, Slovenia, Poland, Chzeck Republic, Hungary etc etc. first declared their unilateral independence then joined the UN. As a matter of fact most countries in the world first declared their unilateral independence then joined the UN. As a matter of fact declaring unilateral independence then joining the UN is the norm. Letting the UN decide on your independence is the abnormality.
As a Macedonain this individual needs to be careful as he openly and implicitly threatens Macedonia but fails to understand Kosovo is very Dependant on it's neighbors.
ok so they want to seperate and then join the eu together with serbia... this wholse issue is pathetic they will only end up like afganistan or bosnia what else than a pupet state run by criminals and drug dealers just the way USA likes them.
Its borders must be the same of the Socialist Autonomous Republic, maintaining the same Yugoslav borders that are still kept today in Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro and Macedonia.
Serbia does not deserve one inch more of territory beyond the today territories of Central Serbia plus Vojvodina.
A partition of Kosovo would just be "just" if the Kosovar government could grab a similar area in size from Albanian-populated areas of South Serbia, like the Presevo Valley.
But even this would be a very dangerous precedent.
The best solution for Kosovo is independence with unaltered borders.
When the inhabitants tell you that any other way is better than being under Serbia, you should get a point, unless you lack logic.
Even being like Afganistan, like Bosnia, like Northern Cyprus etc etc. is much much better then being under Serbia. Now do you get the point?
Mr Sejdu: You are worried that partitioning Kosovo will open up Pandora's box, but you think partitioning Serbia will lead to regional stability. You and the people that support you are contradicting themselves.
“It is important for us to keep a cool head, to keep our stability, not to fall into traps of provocation which may come, because they may indeed come,” he concluded.
This says everything,
an obscure group is in both sides and trying to cooperate together to make provocation. They are from different sides, but they are the same.
They fear once Kosova independent. At least we are expecting them to show their heads and true nature.
Lets be clear mr Sejdiu about
your statements.You're not
supported by the hole civilised world in your quest
for illegality.It's only
countries like USA,UK and all
the banana republics which
followed them in their illegal slaughter of Iraqis
that support you.The rest of
the world requires legality
of the UN. As for NATO, its
already bogged down in
afganistan with no end in
sight and with all NATO
countries refusing to send
any more troops there.Its an
illussion to think that NATO
countries will get involved
should hostilities emerge
in Kosovo.As for the Pandora's box, this will
definitely open once you
declare your illegal
independence.Why should the
albanians be a special case?
Lets have a minorities field
and the consequences will be
very hard to imagine.
Well how is he going to 'stop' partition of Kosovo if they declare unilateral 'independence'? With 16,000 NATO soldiers? You got to be kidding. This is not 1999. Things changed. Dramatically. The Serbian government has a constitutional duty to protect its citizens.
First they claim that Kosovo is a “unique situation” and cannot be a precedent for other regions, and then they say that partition would create precedents. It’s not that they can’t make up their mind, I have come to learn. It is that they want their cake and eat it to. Self determination seems to only apply to Albanians and not the Serbians who don’t want to be under Albanian rule. Look what happened when the Serbs were left to the Albanians right after NATO entered in ’99 and ’04. And they want to make sure they can do it again after independence.
KFOR is not Sejdiu’s or Kosovo’s army. It is a PEACKEEPING MISSION that deals with Kosovo, not Macedonia or the rest of the Albanian minority in Serbia. Serbia is not going to attack Kosovo. They have already and said so. It seems that Sejdiu’s comments are just inflammatory speech meant to calm the nerves of the people who voted for him. Of course, if Tadic was to say the same thing, Sejdiu would be all over it.
If that was the case. . .please keep quiet and if you don't like living in Serbia move back to albania!
So, it's acceptable for albanians to steal land from Serbians on the a "population majority" argument but it's not acceptable for Serbians to apply the same logic for Northern Kosovo where they form an overwhelming majority!? Hypocrisy has no bounds with these people.
Notice something else? Once again, the albanians are using threats to further their cause. First, it was 'give us independence or there will be violence' now its 'no partition or their will be violence'!
Where I live this form of extortion is rewarded with prison terms!
Mathew, there is nothing wrong with partition if it is put on the table and looked as a compromise. But Serbia, via Russia is blocking independence of K-Albanians and in the same time tries to play a dirty game with Serb minority in Kosova. You want the North?; let us have the south then, because you cannot have the whole.
Partition would not open the pandora box but the entire Kosovo independence will. However, if partition takes place be aware that Serbia will act by all means to prevent separatistic aspirations of the Albanians living in Presevo Valley. Those Albanians from the Valley will end up behind Serbia's borders once for good and there is no one to prevent such scenario. You can be asured that IC and NATO won't bomb Serbia again neither will confront its troops with Serbia's troops on the ground.
But what else to expect from the Albanian politicans but threats, lack of negotiating skills, lack of political analytics, lack of runing the policy, lack of diplomacy, etc.
Sejdiu is right, we must avoid opening the “Pandora’s box” at all costs. Obviously if he feels that way, he’s strongly against any UDI or any other solution that is outside the UNSC.
If its so easy to cause the Albanian populations in other countries to seek unification with Albania, Independence for Kosovo will only push these populations towards that at some point in the future.
That being said, I do actually support the Right to Self Determination for all Serbs and Albanians. It’s the ONLY long term solution with any possibility of stability.
Sediju cannot comprehend the contradiction his words with what he would "hope" the US will do by partitioning Serbia.
Thus we will find No partition what so ever - all of Kosovo & Metohija in the whole of Serbia is the only continued resolution seeing as UN 1244 remains irrespective of illegal declarations!
Mr.Sejdiu says...“We are for respect of borders."
Great!
Seems clear to me that you reside within the borders of the sovereign country of Serbia, Mr. Sejdiu.
We will hold you to your word then that you are for respect of borders.
See Sejdiu, you still have to gain indep first. & IF you do, how do you intend to stop the North from declairing indep from the rest of Kosovo. Ask Nato to drop bombs on the unarmed civilins in the North. The IC will tell you to be happy with what you got and you will obey. Now that pandora's box your talking about, that will be the IC problem not Serbia's. Pristinas playing it smart and I tip my hat to them for their effort. They know a partition is coming when they declair indep. They also know that their declairation will open this pandora's box among other Albanians in the region that want indep also. So they are trying to pin this chain reaction on the Serbs in the North when they declair indep from Pristina. Making them look like the innocent one's that just want indep from the big bad Serbs. Sorry, but the IC already know's that Pristinas declairation of indep will swing open pandora's box not only around the region but around the world also. VS in valley.
THE SERPERATION OF KOSOVO FROM SERBIA WOULD OPEN PANDORAS BOX....North Kosovo staying with Serbia would be the reaction to the injustice of the IC.....This man needs an education somewhere else besides the one he got in Pristina....He needs to learn international law, and he must also learn that KOCOBO is SRBIJA!!!!! forever!!! CCCC
NATO the world Army, well Fatmir they are there to keep the peace if you provoke a fight then a fight you will get. Partition well that is another story, Macedonia is ready to Join Nato so do you think they will allow partition in a NATO memeber state nope you just drawing your self into a corner. Serbia is not going to be isolated because the 8 billion dollar pipeline will pass through Serbia to the EU and if the EU does not play ball well freeze then
Mr Sejdiu, you are provoking your neighbours, but on the contrary you claim to respect their territory? Your threats are heard loud and clear. Your govt supports terroism and separatism. Your neighbours were kind enough to accept refugees from Kosovo and Albania and it is these very same refugees that demand independance???
You also failed to mention the minorities in Kosovo and Albania. Can they declare independance also? Perhaps my long lost cousin from Mala Prespa (today's Albania) can call himself a Macedonian without his life being threatened.
It has been proven time and again, that a different rule of law applies to Albanian's in the Balkans to any other citizen.
I support independance of Kosovo, but the criminals in government have stop brainwashing the civilians with such comments.
As a Macedonain this individual needs to be careful as he openly and implicitly threatens Macedonia but fails to understand Kosovo is very Dependant on it's neighbors.
The Albanians have lost, Kosovo independence is not to happen. Fatmir and his ilk are desperate at this point. No political and military support from the EU and USA. Why do you think they keep delaying their declaration of independence? Once the Albanians realise this, they will use violence. They can't win, and concessions that were offered to them earlier will disappear.
- in it it says three northern territories were once part of Serbia and were transfered to be part of Kosovo by Tito to keep up the number of Serbs in Kosovo.
It seems to me that in the event of Kosovo being allowed UDI there is no justification for it to have control of these Serb areas.
I would be interested to hear more of the history of this.
Mr Sejdiu is just following the same formula that has worked previously. Threat of violence, doomsday and more threat of violence and the sky will fall if the Albanians don't get the whole of Kosovo.
What happens when the environment changes which makes that formula obsolete?
The environment has changed. Russia and China are very opposed and don't scare any more.
So go ahead Mr. Sejdiu. Threaten violence and see if anyone is scared this time.
An Ace up the sleeve like international law supporting you would be helpful but you don't have that. Two jacks isn't enough to bluff with.
This Sejdiu guy is essentially threatening Albanian terrorism in other parts of the Balkans if they do not get what they want how they want it and it is OK since NATO is on his side.He must know he is contradicting himself with statements like this right? Everyone knows if Kosovo is taken from Srbija this will destabilize the whole area and Albanians would join Albania .In one sentence it will stabilize the area and if the north separates it will destabilize the area.What a joke.
folks, I've got to admit it; I thought that Mr. Ruecker completely emptied the comedy jackpot last week. But now I can see Mr. Sejdiu knows to milk same machine even better.
Whatever happens with Kosovo, historians will have great time in future. If they just can believe that all these statements were actually delivered.
I'm not sure if this is for real, but just an episode of Monty Python.
Kosova broke away from Serbia in 1999 and Pandora's Box did not open.
(Nick KS, 4 January 2008)
Well see the thing is Kosovo did not break away from Srbija in 1999 they tried and failed and they are trying again today.If Kosovo broke from Srbija in 1999 why have you not declared independence? Albanian logic or wishful thinking? Srbija will NEVER accept Kosovo-Metohija as seperate.No matter what NATO/Germany/US says or does.
"“It is important for us to keep a cool head, to keep our stability, not to fall into traps of provocation which may come, because they may indeed come,” he concluded."
that sounds as if someone is trying to prepare the public for some albanian-caused atrocities...
this figure shouldn´t play with fire, since he is playing "president" on serbian territory...
and last but not least, a short question to Nick, who says that Kosovo broke away in 1999...
can you, Nick, tell us why you are so desperately threatening with violence TODAY, IF Kosovo broke away in ´99?
Kosovo's illicit partition will open Pandora's Box and redraw the map of Europe!
Both the Serbs and Kosovo Albanians need to come to a simple reality check that any illegal UCI would result in a defacto and likely violent crisis in Kosovo and the overall Balkans (with extensive and detrimental ramifications for all of Europe and world beyond).
Enough is enough of the games, brinksmanship, hypocrisy and duplicity. Europe and all the parties involved here need to realize they need to live with the international standards by which they painfully created and diplomatically established: The UN is the ultimate authority when it comes to International Law and the Helisinki Accords established the current boundaries of Europe. Kosovo is a province of Serbia; The EU and NATO have no authority other then what has been estabished via UN Resolution 1244. Any attempts to void this reality are counterproductive and will result in a de facto debacle!
Both the Serbs and Kosovo Albanians need to come to a undertanding that both Russia and the USA have their own interests and ulterior agendas.
The USA has proven to be self-serving, arrogant and naive when it comes to international relations (especially under the Bush Administration; look at the mess the USA has created globally for itself, especially in Iraq, the Middle East and Afghanistan). Russia may be baiting this situation for its own needs... If the Kosovo Albanians can declare UDI, why not the many nationalities of the former Soviet Union who may not want to be in the successor republics. This applies especially for the millions of Russians in Ukraine (Crimea), the Baltic states and elsewhere (AND lets not forget Belarus and other republics who may want to federate once again with a resurgant Russia).
Furthermore the Europeans have conducted themselves in a shameful manner... NATO and the EU need to uphold their own charters and establishing principles; yet they do not! What is wrong with them? Don't they realize the folly they are creating for themselves! I strongly suggest some of the posters here start reading what is happening elsewhere in Europe (Scotland, Flanders, Catalonia, the Basque territories... and even with the nationalistic/ethnic resurgence movements in Venice, Corsica, Fresia, South Tryol and other many historical regions of France, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain, Italy and elsewhere!). Time to wake up OR face the machiavillian consequences of their own making!
The Kosovo Albanians, Serbs and the Europeans should think twice before they open this dangerous Pandora's Box. BUT, stipudity and nationalistic emotions are hard to hold down and it looks like they are playing themselves out as they have done in 1914 (start of WWI)and 1938 (with the ilicit partition of Czechoslovkia at the violent urgings of the Studtenland Germans and Nazi Germany). Is Kosovo becoming the Apple of Discord? Bon appetite on trying to crave up Kosovo!
Do you really think that the Albanians didn’t try to create problems when Kosovo was placed under UN and NATO protection? Albanians in Macedonia and the Presevo Valley tried to use Kosovo as a precedent for their “right to self-determination” and tried to use it to create their Greater Albania. But NATO, the EU, and the US saw the results of its work and didn’t step in this time to save the supposed victims. Instead they told the Albanians to work within their governments for minority issues. No more victim card for the Albanians.
Just out of curiosity how many countries have declared unilateral independence and then joined the UN? How many became independent because the UN said so?
I know Serbia declared its unilateral independence and then joined the UN. I know Albania declared its unilateral independence and then joined the UN. I know Croatia, Greece, Macedonia, Slovenia, Poland, Chzeck Republic, Hungary etc etc. first declared their unilateral independence then joined the UN. As a matter of fact most countries in the world first declared their unilateral independence then joined the UN. As a matter of fact declaring unilateral independence then joining the UN is the norm. Letting the UN decide on your independence is the abnormality.
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