So if I read this article correctly they assumed there would be parties happy to see Serbia dismembered and basically destroyed? That doesn't make any sense at all. Kosovo is Serbia. Any part of Serbia is Serbia.
"A year ago we tried to make sure pro-European forces won in Serbia".
What exactly does that mean? Have they tried to meddle in Serbian politics and set up their own puppets in government? Seems like an admission to me.
I know they were successful in Montenegro but how awful it must feel knowing that they failed in Serbia.
They have enough puppets already. Croatia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Bosnia. They should stop being greedy.
Serbia is proving too difficult. Well done Serbia. You are the only country in that area with integrity and love for their people.
You should be a shining example of true loyalty to it's citizens.
We shouldn't confuse 'nationalism' with 'protecting vital interests' the latter drives the domestic & foreign policies of all nations. Serbia's democratic politicians are simply protecting Serbia's most basic right, her territorial integrity ! In so doing they are also supporting international laws concerning the sovereignty of all nations. The breakaway Albanians of Kosovo should be wary of ill gotten gains. After all there would be no territorial integrity left to protect the 'would be' fragile state of Kosovo, ironic isn't it !
By the way, if being proud of who I am makes me nationalistic as they would say then thats what I am. Kosovo is and always be Serbian no matter who owns her. Serbs have a rich history and I'll make sure my children are proud of their roots & history. My blood line flows back to Serbia and if my pride of being a Serb offends people, well, in a nice way of putting this, though luck. Once a Serb always a Serb. Zivela Srbija! CCCC!
i'm glad that b92 has run this little critique, which in any event is not "news." this is exactly what many of us have been saying, and what sonia biserko (helsinki committee for human rights)spelled out to us quite CLEARLY way back in 2002.
these "democrats" may or may not be true blue nationalists (was slobo a "true" nationalist??) but what does it matter if that is their rhetoric? and their actions. and their constant belligerant speech affect others's behaviors.
the difference i have w rupnik is that there are a few, (very few) real democrats, anti-nationalists, who are people of great integrity inside serbia. but they are marginalized by media, including this one. and that makes me quite frustrated. you run the worst, most offensive comments about "muslim kosovo" and many other nasty barbs, and on a daily basis, but you do not publish or promote serbian progressive intellectuals? why is that, at least in english? if we see veran matic in belgrade this year, it is something i will try to highlight...
When Serbia defends its territory its nationalistic. But when the Albanians (KLA) us terrorisim to instagate a war thats called democrocy. This person or people are a flavor short of a box of fruit loops.
If some minority was trying to steel 15% of your country & some of the big dogs were trying to push it through wouldn't you be alittle nationalistic? Lets see what Pristina does when North Kosovo declairs indep when Pristina does.
You folks want to start with banning comments let's please start with Mika.
"you can not be democrat with Orthodox policy."
Am I supposed to now bash Islam given it's relationship with democracy? It looks like the only way Serbia will make some of you happy is if she becomes atheist and prostrate, and that will not happen.
It truly shows how the EU thinks, in 2000 they supported Kostunica and hailed him for his pro-western policy, now they understand that he (unlike Milosevic) is a true patriot and will not allow Serbia to be ruled by anyone besides Serbs.
So they opted for Tadic who is more pro west but not a complete fool. He realizes that Kosovo is a part of Serbia and how Serbian people feel about it. He will not allow any country to seize its territory. Only Ceda seems to play the puppet game and his credibility not to mention support is laughable.
Mr. or Mrs. KS,
What are you talking about? Mathematical proof that Kosovo is Albanian? I’m sorry, I’ve always been good with math but I’ve never been able to figure out (or even try; quite frankly) how to apply any mathematical formula to politics. Much less political solution. Not even with the help of physics. Perhaps I am not as educated and well versed as you may be in other sciences such as chemistry, biology, astronomy or some other sciences that correlate with Kosovo and its future. But I am willing to be proven wrong and I am most certainly interested to see what you are talking about. So please, do tell! Elaborate and retort.
Furthermore. Perhaps you didn’t notice that section under which you post as well is called “comments”. Kate, whether she is right or wrong in her believes is simply posting her own comments. Comments that have no bearing on future of Kosovo. Same as you comments Mr./Mrs. KS. Don’t try to insult her intelligence.
'political analyst says Europe made a mistake in its appraisal of Serbia's democratic forces when it comes to Kosovo'
i know, i know you did :)
tadic first and then all of us later. i'm one of them. and remain one of them. i am serb, i am democratic, i want my country to remain whole, nothing so called about it. i am no different than any other sane person in any other european country. self-hating serbs are nobody's friends. get over it.
Why is everyone talking about compromise? What is being asked of Albanians? What is it they are promising in return for independence. Fair treatment of minorities? In any democratic society this is given. European Union is asking only Serbia to compromise in return for…….. What is it we’re getting again? I have a hard time understanding what Serbia stands to gain. I think we should ask for 15% of the France in return for Kosovo.
B92 exactly whom is this story meant for an internal Serb audience or for western ears.So any Serb that wants to keep Kosovo is a nationalist come on why even run this story all it does is raise blood pressure.
In Serbia's long history (longer than most EU countries) they never once rolled over died on the orders of any super power. They did not give in to the Turks, or to the Austro-Hungarians, or Hitler and thus now they are not giving in to the Americans. Serbia is famous that way, they never surrendered to a foreign power's wishes like most of the other countries in the region.
just another "analyst" nobody has ever heard before...
it´s quite frustrating to see how Serbia is right and holds all cards in the own hand!?
don´t worry, even those who are suffering from that stupid misconception that keeping the own state intact means nationalism are gonna learn that they are simply wrong... sooner or later.
Reading comments in here I realise that some of Serbian posters either are not aware of what future Serbian people in Serbia want or they just ignore them.
Many posters here ie.Kate the Russian, don’t understand that loosing something that is not yours is not theft. Once you understand this matter becomes clearer and acceptable.
The biggest mistake made by west democratic states is that they believed Serbians so-called democrats that they need time until they become strong enough, 'cause if radicals came to power there will be bloodsheet. Now they see it's nonsense, and you can not be democrat with Orthodox policy. We know 'cause we tried with Serbians to talk earlier, it's mission imposible.
Mr Rupnik - what exactly constitutes 'nationalism'? Of course we all know about extreme nationalism and its effects in various countries, but how can you seriously believe that any politician or party could support the annexation of 15% of its sovereign territory? Let alone such a significant province.
Please name me one nation who would be happy to give up land like that without supporting protection of their territory and heritage in a way which you would only ever call 'nationalism'.
Is the US nationalistic in all of its flag waving? Or the UK, Italy, France, Ireland, Spain, Russia or Portugal? You are pointing the finger at leaders making perfectly reasonable and valid arguments, solely because they do not fall in line with your own agenda or that of the group/ nations you represent.
It amazes me that Russia is viewed as getting the way of democracy for using its democratic right to veto; Serbian leaders are seen as 'nationalistic' for speaking out on behalf of keeping their own territory; and yet Kosovo as a province is about as nationalistic as they come.
It is not nationalistic to speak up for your own land, but it is nationalistic to have a massive superiority complex and arrogantly try to force your will on other nations.
Democracy by force without debate; humanitarian wars... these are all just nonsensical oxymorons.
Can you people imagine what this person is talking about. So, the EU officials would support those who were ready to betry its own country. So, according to the EU officials all Serbian politicians that do not act according the EU are just nationalists. Well, I would just like to see France or UK or USA in the same position as Serbia is, how democratic and non-nationalist they are. However, I am proud on our current leaders and for not being that easy cake to digest.
I think Srboslav is that Mr Rupnik is simply expressing his frustration that Serbia and its politicians is not playing the West's game; roll over and die.
Who cares what these 'Z' rated analysts say or B92 for that matter.
If it was wrong to support democrats, which one does he suggests should be supported then? The radicals? tsar Lazar movement (just as they support terror KLA)
A democratic movement should always be supported instead of nationalism and hatret that the US supports here in the balkans
Mr Rupnik - what exactly constitutes 'nationalism'? Of course we all know about extreme nationalism and its effects in various countries, but how can you seriously believe that any politician or party could support the annexation of 15% of its sovereign territory? Let alone such a significant province.
Please name me one nation who would be happy to give up land like that without supporting protection of their territory and heritage in a way which you would only ever call 'nationalism'.
Is the US nationalistic in all of its flag waving? Or the UK, Italy, France, Ireland, Spain, Russia or Portugal? You are pointing the finger at leaders making perfectly reasonable and valid arguments, solely because they do not fall in line with your own agenda or that of the group/ nations you represent.
It amazes me that Russia is viewed as getting the way of democracy for using its democratic right to veto; Serbian leaders are seen as 'nationalistic' for speaking out on behalf of keeping their own territory; and yet Kosovo as a province is about as nationalistic as they come.
It is not nationalistic to speak up for your own land, but it is nationalistic to have a massive superiority complex and arrogantly try to force your will on other nations.
Democracy by force without debate; humanitarian wars... these are all just nonsensical oxymorons.
I think Srboslav is that Mr Rupnik is simply expressing his frustration that Serbia and its politicians is not playing the West's game; roll over and die.
Who cares what these 'Z' rated analysts say or B92 for that matter.
Can you people imagine what this person is talking about. So, the EU officials would support those who were ready to betry its own country. So, according to the EU officials all Serbian politicians that do not act according the EU are just nationalists. Well, I would just like to see France or UK or USA in the same position as Serbia is, how democratic and non-nationalist they are. However, I am proud on our current leaders and for not being that easy cake to digest.
In Serbia's long history (longer than most EU countries) they never once rolled over died on the orders of any super power. They did not give in to the Turks, or to the Austro-Hungarians, or Hitler and thus now they are not giving in to the Americans. Serbia is famous that way, they never surrendered to a foreign power's wishes like most of the other countries in the region.
If it was wrong to support democrats, which one does he suggests should be supported then? The radicals? tsar Lazar movement (just as they support terror KLA)
A democratic movement should always be supported instead of nationalism and hatret that the US supports here in the balkans
Mr. or Mrs. KS,
What are you talking about? Mathematical proof that Kosovo is Albanian? I’m sorry, I’ve always been good with math but I’ve never been able to figure out (or even try; quite frankly) how to apply any mathematical formula to politics. Much less political solution. Not even with the help of physics. Perhaps I am not as educated and well versed as you may be in other sciences such as chemistry, biology, astronomy or some other sciences that correlate with Kosovo and its future. But I am willing to be proven wrong and I am most certainly interested to see what you are talking about. So please, do tell! Elaborate and retort.
Furthermore. Perhaps you didn’t notice that section under which you post as well is called “comments”. Kate, whether she is right or wrong in her believes is simply posting her own comments. Comments that have no bearing on future of Kosovo. Same as you comments Mr./Mrs. KS. Don’t try to insult her intelligence.
Why is everyone talking about compromise? What is being asked of Albanians? What is it they are promising in return for independence. Fair treatment of minorities? In any democratic society this is given. European Union is asking only Serbia to compromise in return for…….. What is it we’re getting again? I have a hard time understanding what Serbia stands to gain. I think we should ask for 15% of the France in return for Kosovo.
'political analyst says Europe made a mistake in its appraisal of Serbia's democratic forces when it comes to Kosovo'
i know, i know you did :)
tadic first and then all of us later. i'm one of them. and remain one of them. i am serb, i am democratic, i want my country to remain whole, nothing so called about it. i am no different than any other sane person in any other european country. self-hating serbs are nobody's friends. get over it.
You folks want to start with banning comments let's please start with Mika.
"you can not be democrat with Orthodox policy."
Am I supposed to now bash Islam given it's relationship with democracy? It looks like the only way Serbia will make some of you happy is if she becomes atheist and prostrate, and that will not happen.
When Serbia defends its territory its nationalistic. But when the Albanians (KLA) us terrorisim to instagate a war thats called democrocy. This person or people are a flavor short of a box of fruit loops.
just another "analyst" nobody has ever heard before...
it´s quite frustrating to see how Serbia is right and holds all cards in the own hand!?
don´t worry, even those who are suffering from that stupid misconception that keeping the own state intact means nationalism are gonna learn that they are simply wrong... sooner or later.
It truly shows how the EU thinks, in 2000 they supported Kostunica and hailed him for his pro-western policy, now they understand that he (unlike Milosevic) is a true patriot and will not allow Serbia to be ruled by anyone besides Serbs.
So they opted for Tadic who is more pro west but not a complete fool. He realizes that Kosovo is a part of Serbia and how Serbian people feel about it. He will not allow any country to seize its territory. Only Ceda seems to play the puppet game and his credibility not to mention support is laughable.
If some minority was trying to steel 15% of your country & some of the big dogs were trying to push it through wouldn't you be alittle nationalistic? Lets see what Pristina does when North Kosovo declairs indep when Pristina does.
B92 exactly whom is this story meant for an internal Serb audience or for western ears.So any Serb that wants to keep Kosovo is a nationalist come on why even run this story all it does is raise blood pressure.
We shouldn't confuse 'nationalism' with 'protecting vital interests' the latter drives the domestic & foreign policies of all nations. Serbia's democratic politicians are simply protecting Serbia's most basic right, her territorial integrity ! In so doing they are also supporting international laws concerning the sovereignty of all nations. The breakaway Albanians of Kosovo should be wary of ill gotten gains. After all there would be no territorial integrity left to protect the 'would be' fragile state of Kosovo, ironic isn't it !
"A year ago we tried to make sure pro-European forces won in Serbia".
What exactly does that mean? Have they tried to meddle in Serbian politics and set up their own puppets in government? Seems like an admission to me.
I know they were successful in Montenegro but how awful it must feel knowing that they failed in Serbia.
They have enough puppets already. Croatia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Bosnia. They should stop being greedy.
Serbia is proving too difficult. Well done Serbia. You are the only country in that area with integrity and love for their people.
You should be a shining example of true loyalty to it's citizens.
By the way, if being proud of who I am makes me nationalistic as they would say then thats what I am. Kosovo is and always be Serbian no matter who owns her. Serbs have a rich history and I'll make sure my children are proud of their roots & history. My blood line flows back to Serbia and if my pride of being a Serb offends people, well, in a nice way of putting this, though luck. Once a Serb always a Serb. Zivela Srbija! CCCC!
Reading comments in here I realise that some of Serbian posters either are not aware of what future Serbian people in Serbia want or they just ignore them.
Many posters here ie.Kate the Russian, don’t understand that loosing something that is not yours is not theft. Once you understand this matter becomes clearer and acceptable.
The biggest mistake made by west democratic states is that they believed Serbians so-called democrats that they need time until they become strong enough, 'cause if radicals came to power there will be bloodsheet. Now they see it's nonsense, and you can not be democrat with Orthodox policy. We know 'cause we tried with Serbians to talk earlier, it's mission imposible.
So if I read this article correctly they assumed there would be parties happy to see Serbia dismembered and basically destroyed? That doesn't make any sense at all. Kosovo is Serbia. Any part of Serbia is Serbia.
i'm glad that b92 has run this little critique, which in any event is not "news." this is exactly what many of us have been saying, and what sonia biserko (helsinki committee for human rights)spelled out to us quite CLEARLY way back in 2002.
these "democrats" may or may not be true blue nationalists (was slobo a "true" nationalist??) but what does it matter if that is their rhetoric? and their actions. and their constant belligerant speech affect others's behaviors.
the difference i have w rupnik is that there are a few, (very few) real democrats, anti-nationalists, who are people of great integrity inside serbia. but they are marginalized by media, including this one. and that makes me quite frustrated. you run the worst, most offensive comments about "muslim kosovo" and many other nasty barbs, and on a daily basis, but you do not publish or promote serbian progressive intellectuals? why is that, at least in english? if we see veran matic in belgrade this year, it is something i will try to highlight...
Reading comments in here I realise that some of Serbian posters either are not aware of what future Serbian people in Serbia want or they just ignore them.
Many posters here ie.Kate the Russian, don’t understand that loosing something that is not yours is not theft. Once you understand this matter becomes clearer and acceptable.
The biggest mistake made by west democratic states is that they believed Serbians so-called democrats that they need time until they become strong enough, 'cause if radicals came to power there will be bloodsheet. Now they see it's nonsense, and you can not be democrat with Orthodox policy. We know 'cause we tried with Serbians to talk earlier, it's mission imposible.
Mr Rupnik - what exactly constitutes 'nationalism'? Of course we all know about extreme nationalism and its effects in various countries, but how can you seriously believe that any politician or party could support the annexation of 15% of its sovereign territory? Let alone such a significant province.
Please name me one nation who would be happy to give up land like that without supporting protection of their territory and heritage in a way which you would only ever call 'nationalism'.
Is the US nationalistic in all of its flag waving? Or the UK, Italy, France, Ireland, Spain, Russia or Portugal? You are pointing the finger at leaders making perfectly reasonable and valid arguments, solely because they do not fall in line with your own agenda or that of the group/ nations you represent.
It amazes me that Russia is viewed as getting the way of democracy for using its democratic right to veto; Serbian leaders are seen as 'nationalistic' for speaking out on behalf of keeping their own territory; and yet Kosovo as a province is about as nationalistic as they come.
It is not nationalistic to speak up for your own land, but it is nationalistic to have a massive superiority complex and arrogantly try to force your will on other nations.
Democracy by force without debate; humanitarian wars... these are all just nonsensical oxymorons.
I think Srboslav is that Mr Rupnik is simply expressing his frustration that Serbia and its politicians is not playing the West's game; roll over and die.
Who cares what these 'Z' rated analysts say or B92 for that matter.
If it was wrong to support democrats, which one does he suggests should be supported then? The radicals? tsar Lazar movement (just as they support terror KLA)
A democratic movement should always be supported instead of nationalism and hatret that the US supports here in the balkans
Can you people imagine what this person is talking about. So, the EU officials would support those who were ready to betry its own country. So, according to the EU officials all Serbian politicians that do not act according the EU are just nationalists. Well, I would just like to see France or UK or USA in the same position as Serbia is, how democratic and non-nationalist they are. However, I am proud on our current leaders and for not being that easy cake to digest.
i'm glad that b92 has run this little critique, which in any event is not "news." this is exactly what many of us have been saying, and what sonia biserko (helsinki committee for human rights)spelled out to us quite CLEARLY way back in 2002.
these "democrats" may or may not be true blue nationalists (was slobo a "true" nationalist??) but what does it matter if that is their rhetoric? and their actions. and their constant belligerant speech affect others's behaviors.
the difference i have w rupnik is that there are a few, (very few) real democrats, anti-nationalists, who are people of great integrity inside serbia. but they are marginalized by media, including this one. and that makes me quite frustrated. you run the worst, most offensive comments about "muslim kosovo" and many other nasty barbs, and on a daily basis, but you do not publish or promote serbian progressive intellectuals? why is that, at least in english? if we see veran matic in belgrade this year, it is something i will try to highlight...
It truly shows how the EU thinks, in 2000 they supported Kostunica and hailed him for his pro-western policy, now they understand that he (unlike Milosevic) is a true patriot and will not allow Serbia to be ruled by anyone besides Serbs.
So they opted for Tadic who is more pro west but not a complete fool. He realizes that Kosovo is a part of Serbia and how Serbian people feel about it. He will not allow any country to seize its territory. Only Ceda seems to play the puppet game and his credibility not to mention support is laughable.
In Serbia's long history (longer than most EU countries) they never once rolled over died on the orders of any super power. They did not give in to the Turks, or to the Austro-Hungarians, or Hitler and thus now they are not giving in to the Americans. Serbia is famous that way, they never surrendered to a foreign power's wishes like most of the other countries in the region.
just another "analyst" nobody has ever heard before...
it´s quite frustrating to see how Serbia is right and holds all cards in the own hand!?
don´t worry, even those who are suffering from that stupid misconception that keeping the own state intact means nationalism are gonna learn that they are simply wrong... sooner or later.
B92 exactly whom is this story meant for an internal Serb audience or for western ears.So any Serb that wants to keep Kosovo is a nationalist come on why even run this story all it does is raise blood pressure.
Why is everyone talking about compromise? What is being asked of Albanians? What is it they are promising in return for independence. Fair treatment of minorities? In any democratic society this is given. European Union is asking only Serbia to compromise in return for…….. What is it we’re getting again? I have a hard time understanding what Serbia stands to gain. I think we should ask for 15% of the France in return for Kosovo.
Mr. or Mrs. KS,
What are you talking about? Mathematical proof that Kosovo is Albanian? I’m sorry, I’ve always been good with math but I’ve never been able to figure out (or even try; quite frankly) how to apply any mathematical formula to politics. Much less political solution. Not even with the help of physics. Perhaps I am not as educated and well versed as you may be in other sciences such as chemistry, biology, astronomy or some other sciences that correlate with Kosovo and its future. But I am willing to be proven wrong and I am most certainly interested to see what you are talking about. So please, do tell! Elaborate and retort.
Furthermore. Perhaps you didn’t notice that section under which you post as well is called “comments”. Kate, whether she is right or wrong in her believes is simply posting her own comments. Comments that have no bearing on future of Kosovo. Same as you comments Mr./Mrs. KS. Don’t try to insult her intelligence.
'political analyst says Europe made a mistake in its appraisal of Serbia's democratic forces when it comes to Kosovo'
i know, i know you did :)
tadic first and then all of us later. i'm one of them. and remain one of them. i am serb, i am democratic, i want my country to remain whole, nothing so called about it. i am no different than any other sane person in any other european country. self-hating serbs are nobody's friends. get over it.
You folks want to start with banning comments let's please start with Mika.
"you can not be democrat with Orthodox policy."
Am I supposed to now bash Islam given it's relationship with democracy? It looks like the only way Serbia will make some of you happy is if she becomes atheist and prostrate, and that will not happen.
If some minority was trying to steel 15% of your country & some of the big dogs were trying to push it through wouldn't you be alittle nationalistic? Lets see what Pristina does when North Kosovo declairs indep when Pristina does.
When Serbia defends its territory its nationalistic. But when the Albanians (KLA) us terrorisim to instagate a war thats called democrocy. This person or people are a flavor short of a box of fruit loops.
By the way, if being proud of who I am makes me nationalistic as they would say then thats what I am. Kosovo is and always be Serbian no matter who owns her. Serbs have a rich history and I'll make sure my children are proud of their roots & history. My blood line flows back to Serbia and if my pride of being a Serb offends people, well, in a nice way of putting this, though luck. Once a Serb always a Serb. Zivela Srbija! CCCC!
We shouldn't confuse 'nationalism' with 'protecting vital interests' the latter drives the domestic & foreign policies of all nations. Serbia's democratic politicians are simply protecting Serbia's most basic right, her territorial integrity ! In so doing they are also supporting international laws concerning the sovereignty of all nations. The breakaway Albanians of Kosovo should be wary of ill gotten gains. After all there would be no territorial integrity left to protect the 'would be' fragile state of Kosovo, ironic isn't it !
"A year ago we tried to make sure pro-European forces won in Serbia".
What exactly does that mean? Have they tried to meddle in Serbian politics and set up their own puppets in government? Seems like an admission to me.
I know they were successful in Montenegro but how awful it must feel knowing that they failed in Serbia.
They have enough puppets already. Croatia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Bosnia. They should stop being greedy.
Serbia is proving too difficult. Well done Serbia. You are the only country in that area with integrity and love for their people.
You should be a shining example of true loyalty to it's citizens.
So if I read this article correctly they assumed there would be parties happy to see Serbia dismembered and basically destroyed? That doesn't make any sense at all. Kosovo is Serbia. Any part of Serbia is Serbia.
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