Tadić: New war would lose us Kosovo

to doni:

I see your only purpose here is to provoke Serbs.

But doni why don't you declare independence today? What are you afraid of? Oh ya it's because the american masters have not given you the green light yet, right? It goes to show who is really running KiM.

"We will never again push our soldiers into meaningless wars," the president said as he met the commander of the VS 4th Brigade, Col. Milosav Simović.

So he openly admits that serbia has only done meaningless wars. WHY? Initially they had a meaning but after they simply kept loosing them, thus they lost the meaning with them.
What was the meaning?? - Greater Serbia.
It's smaller now.

"There are many people who wish to see Serbia stumble into another war, new violence, which would in the end lead us to lose Kosovo and have more victims – that is something this government, this democracy in Serbia will not do," the president said.

Why not?? International law is in your side. And the war will not be meaningless this time. Serbia will be awarded the highest medal of honor for heroically defending the fragile Intl. Law against repeatedly offendenrs such as US and A, including once Serbia itself.

Serbia, according to him, does not wish to be the source of new instability, but instead works to contribute to overall stability in the region and Europe.

GOOD. That's a good sign to proceed with our plans to independence. At least we got the go ahead.

Nobody wants a war especially this one which has a potential to fire up a much much larger clash that is not in anyone's interest. However the Serbian government has a constitutional duty to protect its citizens. As we all know for both peace and war there are two sometimes even more sides involved.

"We will never again push our soldiers into meaningless wars," the president said as he met the commander of the VS 4th Brigade, Col. Milosav Simović."

They're one up on other nations then, who seem all too happy to send their young people into meaningless wars.

Just a qick reminder of what majority Serbian people are tired of:
See the links
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/27/newsid_2520000/2520273.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/18/newsid_2499000/2499135.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/1/newsid_2493000/2493441.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/5/newsid_2535000/2535435.stm

Shame of the Serbian Regime supported by some Serbs in here and some others that made money out someone elses tragedy

Olf,
that is some reliable source especially that it says that 200,000 people died in the Bosnian war. Knowing now how many people died makes you think what else is wrong with your sources provided.

Tadić: New war would lose us Kosovo.

Well Mr Tadic you are the wests man in Srbija so I am sure you know.However doing nothing would lose us Kosovo as well.Shall we sit on our hands when they make it official?

Olf - a very carefully selected four links. I could do the same and show something completely different. Strangely though each one of those links presents the 'official IC propaganda' and not reality. In particular the Sarajevo market bombing; the report states 'it is believed' that the shells came from Serb positions. It has been demonstrated by ballistic and armament experts that the most likely point was actually in Albanian held positions. So, who do you want to believe. Obviously the 'expert' that meets your own prejudice.

Yes Serbs are sick of unnecessary wars, but not all wars wee unnecessary. Or maybe you think that the Serbs should not have fought the Nazis? Or going back even further, the Turks? It is quite clear Tadic was referring to going to war over an economic yoke of a 'country' Kosov. They only need to sit and wait.

Since 2000 Serbia's army has been left to rot. It's no longer a serious force. The pro-West parties have let it fall apart. Heck, our airforce is grounded. It is clear that we can not fight anything, and will lose everything, because we are no math for NATO. This was proven in their aggression against us in 1999. They broke the geneva convention and they destroyed so much civilian infrastructure that people are now scared of even thinking about war. It's a matter of power... we don't have it and the West does not mind using it against us in order to bring us in line with their agenda.

Mr. Tadic:

Who are you going to address when no one is neither interested nor listening to you. The Albanians are free to do and say whatever they want, but don't ever let a Serb defend himself. Wake up and smell the coffee, leneiency got us this far, how much mor talking do you want!!

"Serbia, according to him, does not wish to be the source of new instability" (Tadic cited in B92)

President Tadic admits that Serbia was a source of instability in the Balkans in the past 18 years... lets hope that serbian politicians will move in the right direction- admitting their responsibilities.
Turn page and live in peace with teh neighdbors, kosova including.

A war for Kosova (fought in Kosova) would not be meaningless. I thought Kosova was the cradle of civilization and it contains all Serbian culture?

Either way, Kosova has been out of your reach a long time ago. Try planning on invading something North or East for your Greater Serbia.

to Ratko,

When Indipendence will be declared, what will be your first comment here?

Maybe .....................

as always, tadic is wrong!

that´s why it is good, that someone who wants to liberate southserbia will become president in february!

What is Tadic talking about?
you already had a meaningless war in Kosovo, you lost the war and you already lost Kosovo.

a new meaningless war will make you lose other things.

Doni

"GOOD. That's a good sign to proceed with our plans to independence. At least we got the go ahead."

Doni, if Kosovo had the go ahead from anybody it would have been independent a long time ago. Why hasn't it? Because Ksoovo is not ready for it and the international community is divided. In any case, Kosovo will be under the administration of the EU anyway, because as things stand, there are huge problems to overcome before Kosovo can stand on its own two feet as an independent state, especially protection of minorities who are living in enclaves protected by soldiers, so proper independence from international powers will only come much later.

Back to the point, Serbia won't attack Kosovo if it declares independence, I am pretty sure of that.

MUP Gendarmerie base of Kodra Drenit
It is very nice to witness the use of some Albanian toponyms in a Serbian news outlet.
A great deal of effort had gone previously in politicising and outlawing the use of Albanian etymology, a symptomatic tool of both migration and ethic settlement patterns.
Beyond the present rhetoric, there are clear signs of gradual demise of the ideological construction of nationalism even in Serbia.
Once again well done B92.

I am not going to repeat the whole history about the falling apart of Yugoslavia and who is and is not to blame (in the end all (including the West) and so not just the Serbs (plus propaganda)). However, the only mistake the Yugoslav/Serbian army made was not to beat the Croats, Bosnaks and Kosovo Albanians back in 1991 (they could have easily). Then these groups would have been much more willing to conducts some serious negotiations and find real long-term solutions to move forward. Eventually the West got involved and 17 years later things have still not settled. It is easy for many non-Serbs to write that all Serbs want is war. Any nation that has lived through the horrors of war (WWI and II) knows that war is a last resort (so that should be avoided at all costs). Historically most recent wars Serbia was involved in (WWI and II, and during the 1990's) were actually brought upon the Serbs. Nobody has to claim that Serbian politics was perfect and there has been mismanagement of several areas. But considering the experiences of Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo during WWII (and the continuing anti-Serb attitudes in those regions during the break-up of Yugoslavia) justified the response of Serbs that wanted to prevent history from happening again (and do not blame them for feeling that way). In addition, Montenegro and the FYR of Macedonia split from Yugoslavia without too many problems (which proves that Serbs cannot be blamed for all missery). I have no problem with the Kosovo Albanians getting Kosovo if they had actually beaten the Serbian army, but they did not. I do not advocate war, but I expect the Serbian army to respond in case Kosovo Serbs will be attacked or ethnically cleansed (read: when NATO will be doing its usual sleeping and looking the other way) in case the Kosovo Albanians declare their illegal independence sometime this century. In that case I doubt NATO will dare to bomb Serbia again. I am just waiting for the Hungarians in Vojvodina to start complaining how badly they are treated and that they should join Hungary.

USA and EU's majority have hired legal experts that have skill to read resolution 1244 and Helsinki Final Act upside down.

As far as I know history, a lasting peace cannot be built on deception. Will we see an exception his time?

Milan,

Very interesting comment. But you forget that territories that you mention in your artikle (Kosova, Vojvodina) they never been part of you country. Monetnegro and Macedonia they could goo without war because if you would start war with them then you would losse support from Russia and other orthodox countries such is Bulgaria. You would not dare to do that would you?

to serb camp here:
read this and understand who is provocing the violence here and who wants that serbia makes another war on kosova, its in the last sentence:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/7205/

Doni

You didn't read the article properly. When Tadic said "...defeat them...", he was not refering to Kosovo, but to Kostunica's party, because hs party and Kostunica's don't agree with each other on some issues.

peter,
that was my point,

why he gives ultimatum to EU?? why kostunica is the best player in our team??
he is not Albanian, but neither serving serbs real interests, so why??

see here:
we like him, but we dont trust him

"We will never again push our soldiers into meaningless wars," the president said as he met the commander of the VS 4th Brigade, Col. Milosav Simović.

So he openly admits that serbia has only done meaningless wars. WHY? Initially they had a meaning but after they simply kept loosing them, thus they lost the meaning with them.
What was the meaning?? - Greater Serbia.
It's smaller now.

"There are many people who wish to see Serbia stumble into another war, new violence, which would in the end lead us to lose Kosovo and have more victims – that is something this government, this democracy in Serbia will not do," the president said.

Why not?? International law is in your side. And the war will not be meaningless this time. Serbia will be awarded the highest medal of honor for heroically defending the fragile Intl. Law against repeatedly offendenrs such as US and A, including once Serbia itself.

Serbia, according to him, does not wish to be the source of new instability, but instead works to contribute to overall stability in the region and Europe.

GOOD. That's a good sign to proceed with our plans to independence. At least we got the go ahead.

Just a qick reminder of what majority Serbian people are tired of:
See the links
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/27/newsid_2520000/2520273.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/18/newsid_2499000/2499135.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/1/newsid_2493000/2493441.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/5/newsid_2535000/2535435.stm

Shame of the Serbian Regime supported by some Serbs in here and some others that made money out someone elses tragedy

to Ratko,

When Indipendence will be declared, what will be your first comment here?

Maybe .....................

"Serbia, according to him, does not wish to be the source of new instability" (Tadic cited in B92)

President Tadic admits that Serbia was a source of instability in the Balkans in the past 18 years... lets hope that serbian politicians will move in the right direction- admitting their responsibilities.
Turn page and live in peace with teh neighdbors, kosova including.

A war for Kosova (fought in Kosova) would not be meaningless. I thought Kosova was the cradle of civilization and it contains all Serbian culture?

Either way, Kosova has been out of your reach a long time ago. Try planning on invading something North or East for your Greater Serbia.

What is Tadic talking about?
you already had a meaningless war in Kosovo, you lost the war and you already lost Kosovo.

a new meaningless war will make you lose other things.

"We will never again push our soldiers into meaningless wars," the president said as he met the commander of the VS 4th Brigade, Col. Milosav Simović."

They're one up on other nations then, who seem all too happy to send their young people into meaningless wars.

MUP Gendarmerie base of Kodra Drenit
It is very nice to witness the use of some Albanian toponyms in a Serbian news outlet.
A great deal of effort had gone previously in politicising and outlawing the use of Albanian etymology, a symptomatic tool of both migration and ethic settlement patterns.
Beyond the present rhetoric, there are clear signs of gradual demise of the ideological construction of nationalism even in Serbia.
Once again well done B92.

Nobody wants a war especially this one which has a potential to fire up a much much larger clash that is not in anyone's interest. However the Serbian government has a constitutional duty to protect its citizens. As we all know for both peace and war there are two sometimes even more sides involved.

to doni:

I see your only purpose here is to provoke Serbs.

But doni why don't you declare independence today? What are you afraid of? Oh ya it's because the american masters have not given you the green light yet, right? It goes to show who is really running KiM.

Olf,
that is some reliable source especially that it says that 200,000 people died in the Bosnian war. Knowing now how many people died makes you think what else is wrong with your sources provided.

Doni

"GOOD. That's a good sign to proceed with our plans to independence. At least we got the go ahead."

Doni, if Kosovo had the go ahead from anybody it would have been independent a long time ago. Why hasn't it? Because Ksoovo is not ready for it and the international community is divided. In any case, Kosovo will be under the administration of the EU anyway, because as things stand, there are huge problems to overcome before Kosovo can stand on its own two feet as an independent state, especially protection of minorities who are living in enclaves protected by soldiers, so proper independence from international powers will only come much later.

Back to the point, Serbia won't attack Kosovo if it declares independence, I am pretty sure of that.

Milan,

Very interesting comment. But you forget that territories that you mention in your artikle (Kosova, Vojvodina) they never been part of you country. Monetnegro and Macedonia they could goo without war because if you would start war with them then you would losse support from Russia and other orthodox countries such is Bulgaria. You would not dare to do that would you?

to serb camp here:
read this and understand who is provocing the violence here and who wants that serbia makes another war on kosova, its in the last sentence:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/7205/

peter,
that was my point,

why he gives ultimatum to EU?? why kostunica is the best player in our team??
he is not Albanian, but neither serving serbs real interests, so why??

see here:
we like him, but we dont trust him

Since 2000 Serbia's army has been left to rot. It's no longer a serious force. The pro-West parties have let it fall apart. Heck, our airforce is grounded. It is clear that we can not fight anything, and will lose everything, because we are no math for NATO. This was proven in their aggression against us in 1999. They broke the geneva convention and they destroyed so much civilian infrastructure that people are now scared of even thinking about war. It's a matter of power... we don't have it and the West does not mind using it against us in order to bring us in line with their agenda.

Tadić: New war would lose us Kosovo.

Well Mr Tadic you are the wests man in Srbija so I am sure you know.However doing nothing would lose us Kosovo as well.Shall we sit on our hands when they make it official?

Mr. Tadic:

Who are you going to address when no one is neither interested nor listening to you. The Albanians are free to do and say whatever they want, but don't ever let a Serb defend himself. Wake up and smell the coffee, leneiency got us this far, how much mor talking do you want!!

Olf - a very carefully selected four links. I could do the same and show something completely different. Strangely though each one of those links presents the 'official IC propaganda' and not reality. In particular the Sarajevo market bombing; the report states 'it is believed' that the shells came from Serb positions. It has been demonstrated by ballistic and armament experts that the most likely point was actually in Albanian held positions. So, who do you want to believe. Obviously the 'expert' that meets your own prejudice.

Yes Serbs are sick of unnecessary wars, but not all wars wee unnecessary. Or maybe you think that the Serbs should not have fought the Nazis? Or going back even further, the Turks? It is quite clear Tadic was referring to going to war over an economic yoke of a 'country' Kosov. They only need to sit and wait.

as always, tadic is wrong!

that´s why it is good, that someone who wants to liberate southserbia will become president in february!

I am not going to repeat the whole history about the falling apart of Yugoslavia and who is and is not to blame (in the end all (including the West) and so not just the Serbs (plus propaganda)). However, the only mistake the Yugoslav/Serbian army made was not to beat the Croats, Bosnaks and Kosovo Albanians back in 1991 (they could have easily). Then these groups would have been much more willing to conducts some serious negotiations and find real long-term solutions to move forward. Eventually the West got involved and 17 years later things have still not settled. It is easy for many non-Serbs to write that all Serbs want is war. Any nation that has lived through the horrors of war (WWI and II) knows that war is a last resort (so that should be avoided at all costs). Historically most recent wars Serbia was involved in (WWI and II, and during the 1990's) were actually brought upon the Serbs. Nobody has to claim that Serbian politics was perfect and there has been mismanagement of several areas. But considering the experiences of Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo during WWII (and the continuing anti-Serb attitudes in those regions during the break-up of Yugoslavia) justified the response of Serbs that wanted to prevent history from happening again (and do not blame them for feeling that way). In addition, Montenegro and the FYR of Macedonia split from Yugoslavia without too many problems (which proves that Serbs cannot be blamed for all missery). I have no problem with the Kosovo Albanians getting Kosovo if they had actually beaten the Serbian army, but they did not. I do not advocate war, but I expect the Serbian army to respond in case Kosovo Serbs will be attacked or ethnically cleansed (read: when NATO will be doing its usual sleeping and looking the other way) in case the Kosovo Albanians declare their illegal independence sometime this century. In that case I doubt NATO will dare to bomb Serbia again. I am just waiting for the Hungarians in Vojvodina to start complaining how badly they are treated and that they should join Hungary.

USA and EU's majority have hired legal experts that have skill to read resolution 1244 and Helsinki Final Act upside down.

As far as I know history, a lasting peace cannot be built on deception. Will we see an exception his time?

Doni

You didn't read the article properly. When Tadic said "...defeat them...", he was not refering to Kosovo, but to Kostunica's party, because hs party and Kostunica's don't agree with each other on some issues.