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Wednesday, 02.01.2008.

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Serbia sends "strongly worded demarche" to Austria

Official Belgrade reacted Wednesday afternoon to the Austrian chancellor's Kosovo comments.

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Stevan

pre 16 godina

Miri, Serbs and Croats are indeed very similar, but there is one big difference. We don’t share same religion. Croats are Catholics and Serbs are Orthodox Christians. Croats doesn’t identify them selves to much on the basis of their Slav cultural back ground. During Second World War Croatian nationalists even fabricated theory that they are not Slavs at all but some Aryan tribe from Iran! Croats identify them selves in the first place as Catholics and their loyalty lays in Vatican. And Vatican is not friend of Orthodox, for quite a few centuries is doing everything it can to weaken Orthodox world and take their influence zone over. That’s one of the most important roots of Croatian hatred toward Serbs. Add to that Croatian ambitions to grow to the East and you have most of the reasons.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

Stevane...

why are you paying so much attention to ( very likely ) minor Croatians obsessed with poor attempts to offend some Serbs here?

and, last but not least...

once again miri is speaking up without having clue of what she´s actually talking about...

the individual who killed the austro-hungarian official was a citizen of Austro-hungary, don´t forget that.

if you ever had heard about it at all...

miri

pre 16 godina

To Stevan: "We are very much aware that we can always count on good old Croats stubbing us in the back on every occasion they can. By now, even most naive Serb lost any illusion he might have had about you"

Stevan, did you ever wonder why it's like this? K-Albanians have nothing in common with Croats or Slovenes, on the contrary you share the same language, names, culture, heritage, history, religion etc.
And yet again, when it comes to Serbs, K-Albanians have only one thing in common with Croats.

Stevan

pre 16 godina

"…Go Kosovo, Croatia is with you…."

Hey Igore, better tell us something we didn't know. We are very much aware that we can always count on good old Croats stubbing us in the back on every occasion they can. By now, even most naive Serb lost any illusion he might have had about you.

Stevan

pre 16 godina

"… Serbia! Don't waste the future of your children with nationalism…"

Rolerkoster, put propaganda a side and look at the facts - all new states emerged on the territory of ex-YU are now almost completely ethnically clean, because they expelled their minorities. The only exemption is Serbia. Here we have a most multi cultural country of all of ex-YU. Despite all what happened, number of minorities in Serbia didn't change significantly before, during and after the war(s) of the 90 's. Add to that fact that Serbia has a biggest refugee population in Europe, around 1 000 000 ethnical Serbs, victims of Croatian, Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo-Albanian nationalism. Think for a moment about these figures and then tell me once again who destroyed future of our children and who is guilty of extreme nationalism.

"… the chance …. to live in peace, dignity and welfare…"

Our, (all nations of ex-YU), best chance for peaceful and reasonably well-off living was former Yugoslavia. But western Empire builders saw it as an obstacle to their plans for global domination. They supported local fanatics, all hell broke loose, and now we are here…..

"…Learn to stand on your own feet first, Serbia, until now your have'nt proved that yet, which means: prove to be independent, also in financial terms…"

Serbs always stood on their own feet, against all odds, and paid very high price for that. Our independence is precisely the reason that we are once more singled out and attacked.

"… prove to be independent…"

I'm not sure what you mean? To stay out of EU and follow our own foreign and domestic policy? If you mean that, I agree completely.

"…Try to be thankful for the millions of jobs, given inside the EU to millions of your brothers and sisters…"

What is there to be especially thankful about? West Europe needed workers for mostly dangerous, dirty and low paid jobs that their own population didn't want to work on. So, they imported legions of people from all over the place, including Serbs. It was pure self-interest.

miri

pre 16 godina

To Matthew: "What’s up with Germans and their love of “final solutions”?"

First this is Austria, not Germany. Second, it looks like the Austrians know how to hold a grudge too.
You killed their emperor for god sake!!

Igor

pre 16 godina

Austria is clearly medaling into Serbian internal affairs and although I am not a fan of Nikolic and his radical party I know for certain his reaction to Austria would not have been to send a letter but instead to expel the Austrian ambassador from Belgrade, that action would send a clear message to the West about how serious Serbia is about Kosovo.
(Canadian, 2 January 2008 21:47)

And after the austrian ambassador, please go forward expelling also the american ambassador, the french one, the british, the german, the italian, the dutch, the canadian, the belgium, the croatian, slovenian, macedonian, most of EU ambassadors, most of th world ambassadors. And after them, try again to expell the 2 millions of albanians and go to the Kosovo field celebrating a big party together with the remaining ambassadors: the russian, the kenian, the iranian and the north korean ambassadors which follow your agenda.

Go Kosovo, Croatia is with you.

massimo

pre 16 godina

It will be another chance to get rid off the UN Security Council.
Is it acceptable that five countries rule (or try to do so) the entire world? Remember that the UN organization, and above all the Security Council authority, is simply a WW2 heritage.
It is time to definitely establish a different world order since WW3 has already been fought and won by NATO.

craig

pre 16 godina

be thanksful for the millions of jobs, given inside the EU to millions of your brothers and sisters."

Millions? You must joking.

Paolo

pre 16 godina

“Kosovo is only part of the nostalgia for the so-called Greater Serbia, which no longer exists. The new Serbia no longer needs this nostalgia, it needs the future,” Giuliano Amato, Italian Interior Minister

Vujadin

pre 16 godina

I would like to thank Bob Petrovich, Canadian and California Steve for writing their accurate analysis and opinion on Austria and its continuing arrogant attitude towards Serbia and its utterly disrespect to Serbs who unfortunately were killed in the name of the Austrian rulers (whether it was the Kaiser or AH). A country that, as an official part of Nazi Germany, was involved in many attrocities in the Balkan and genocide against Serbs and many others should think twice before its starts saying things that it will regret. I seriously doubt that the EU will last another 10-15 years. Eventually bureaucrats and revived nationalism in many EU countries will shatter the utopia dream of an united Europe (against who, the US, Russia, China?). What will happen if a EU country would like to leave the EU? Will the EU send its EU force to restore order? Yugoslavia was not a perfect marriage and it had a partly nasty divorce, but the consequences of a future EU divorce could be really messy. Unless Serbia is treated as an equal I would advice to think very carefully about an EU membership (read the small print on the back of the contract). The EU actually was very happy with the desolvation of Yugoslavia, since it did not like an independent country that could take of itself.

Nikola

pre 16 godina

Well if we want to look at the Kosovo situation as a regional issue by looking at it as a "European Problem" hey thats fine with me.

So with that being said.. I guess we throw America out of the equation.

But oh wait.. I do believe Russia is a country on the European continent as well. The fact is the EU does not make up the whole continent of Europe so there statement of Kosovo being a "European Problem" is fine however the EU does not speak for the whole European continent.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

As usual, the EU will only make a bigger mess. So the Albanians will declare independence and you will have the US, most Muslim countries and 20 odd EU countries recognising it (but not the EU...funny funny!). No surprises there. More importantly, Serbia will not and never will recognise it and included in that list will most likely be Russia, China, India and a host of other countries (representing more than half the world's population).

Since this has not gone through the UN, independence will not be legal and will only exist in some counties. Therefore Kosovo will not be able to join international organisation such as the UN and will become occupied territory of Serbia, so there is no need for Northern Kosovo to declare independence because it is still part of Serbia (and under its control)!

So independence will be a myth. Kosovo will be a puppet state of NATO where the US will secure its oil pipeline and steal all the minerals (just like it's stealing Iraq's oil). So good luck to the Kosovo Albanians and your new American friends. Lets see how long your honeymoon lasts once you realise they are your new "not so friendly" rules.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

looks like the Austrians were told to test serbian resolve...

that´s only a test-balloon..nothing more.

I do not expect much more countries to say the same in the near future...

Mr.Gusenbauer, nice try! ( anyway, at least the Albanians are falling for it! )

rolerkoster

pre 16 godina

Beloved Serbia! Don't waste the future of your children with nationalism. with "arguments solid like a rock" you already destroyed the chance for two generations for to live in peace, dignity and welfare. Start to become a smart nation on which your children may be proud once in the future. Learn to stand on your own feet first, Serbia, until now your have'nt proved that yet, which means: prove to be independent, also in financial terms. Try to be thanksful for the millions of jobs, given inside the EU to millions of your brothers and sisters. Instead of crying for all these beloved people you are crying for Kosovo! with best regard, j. from austria

CaliforniaSteve

pre 16 godina

The Serbs and Kosovo Albanians should not be too impressed by what the Austrians have to say. Since the imperial days of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the lacky bureaucrats in Vienna have always been to blindly eager to serve their master, be it the Hapsburg Emperor, the German Kaiser or the new masters of the EU/NATO.

If they persist, the Serbian Government should not be sending the Austrian a polite yet strongly worded demarche, but instead be giving them a taste of their own illicit medicine, its called self determination for Tyrol, Salzburg, Carinthia, and Styria AND let the Slovenians in Carinthia/Styria join Slovenia and the Hungarians in Burgenland join Hungary. Vorarlberg would be better off within Switzerland. Let rump Austria become rump Vienna in the new EU.

The same hold true for Germany, France and the UK! If they want to start raping sovernign nations, let the balkanization of their countries start too. That is what the ultimate course of events will take the EU too!

The 21st Century is starting to look more like the 15th Century - Is this the new PAX EUROPA?

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Yeah right, as if anyone will pay any attention to what you have to say Mr Jeremic. With the states lined up to recognise Kosova, you would be better not opening your mouth on the subject.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

It looks like the serb politicians will have to write too many demarches in the coming days. One demarche for every country accepting Kosova as an independent country.
Good thing! Serb politicians will be kept busy writing demarches.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Serbian politicans finally begun to do their job as they should by reacting on every kind of malicious statements regarding Kosovo.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

Austria was the first county to recognize Croatia and we all know how much their recognition helped that situation.

Austria is clearly medaling into Serbian internal affairs and although I am not a fan of Nikolic and his radical party I know for certain his reaction to Austria would not have been to send a letter but instead to expel the Austrian ambassador from Belgrade, that action would send a clear message to the West about how serious Serbia is about Kosovo.

Bob Petrovich

pre 16 godina

Serbia and Austria have very interesting joint history.

For centuries, Serbs were trusted soldiers of the Austrian Emperor. When Serbia gained independence, at first Austria was a benevolent giant towards tiny Serbia. Then Austria annexed Serb land previously occupied by the Ottomans. Then Austria decided to go to war against Serbia. It was a Pyrrhic victory for Serbia (56% male population dead) and the end of Austro-Hungarian empire.

Then, certain Austrian, a failed painter, decided to
go to war again, and send native Austrians as Wehrmacht commanders to Serbia to inflicvt the maximum damage. They obliged and commited horrendous crimes in Serbia.

The rest is history. Hitler's Third Reich was shattered and with it Austrian wish for revived Empire and revenge.

After 1992, official Vienna tries to revive it's role in the new EU empire. The original
venue for ICTY was planned to be Vienna, but it was considered a bad taste. Failed talks with Kosovo Albanian representatives was set to be held in Vienna by no accident.

Some people never learn.

Austria should learn from her own history that it pays better to play with Serbs fair then ugly.

In June 1914, anyone advising Austria to leave Serbia alone because of Austria's sake would be considered naive and stupid.

The same applies for Austrian Hitler and his April 6 1941 decision.

This time, Austria is playing with EU's future.

istref

pre 16 godina

I dont want to go back in time, I just want to remind 1912 when Otoman Empire left there was no UN resolution that separated Kosova and other parts, was conference in London , and Europe did that. If someone is responsible for Ballkans and specially for Kosove and other parts that were separeted from Albania, they are Europians. Now it's time to resolve those mistakes they made. By that time, we accepted everything what Europe and other super powers such as; Russia did because we were weak and tired, but we never gave up from our rights, we fought hard in every possible way to survive.We proved that we can live with you in peace, eventhough we didnt have the same rights with you, during the Tito's time. I dont want to talk whats happened from 1980s to 1999 because we all know. Now i think is time for you to let Kosovar people to go in their path, and you go in yours because the time has come and the democratic world has seen the reality. If you still think than Kosova would be part of Serbia you are naive.

smile

pre 16 godina

"last big unresolved issue of the 20th century"

what then please what do you call hamastan then? oh this is hilarious. unresolved issues all over the world. none of these arguments they are making make sense. they're all emotional appeals. "we must do this now because there was a war then, the last issue must be closed, talks went on for 2 years..." so??
its interesting to see serbia have rock solid legal argument while the other side resorts to pure politics. They cannot do anything concrete, all they can is to keep convincing us to agree to destroy our own country. well good luck with that.

garry

pre 16 godina

To Olf
The world doesn't function
under the laws of the wild
west as most of the Albanians
suggest in their comments.
The UN was created in order to provide the legal framework to settle disputes
between nations and various
ethnic groups.Therefore, it is the proper place for the
Kosovo problem to be addressed.
As to your remarks that USA,
France and UK are democratic
you only have to look at their past history and you
get the picture.Ask the French about Algeria,the UK
about slavery and Northen
ireland and the USA about their own indigenous people
and will only get silence.
All the so called great
countries have millions of
skeletons in their cupboards.

adriano

pre 16 godina

Srboslav, Albania has nothing to do with this story. So please do not use it anymore because Albanians like to use it nice and clean their nations name. And in ww1 it was not the UN that handed over kosovo to Serbia but the European Powers, the same ones that will take it back.
I guess its easy for you to fall pray to nonsense, the same things you wright you believe. And as for your UN common sence: China took tibet with force, Russia tryed to take Afganistan and the UN did nothing.

Mike

pre 16 godina

I find it almost surreal that while every state is saying they want to avoid a UDI, there seems to be this resigned understanding that Pristina will declare one and that the rest of Europe must "coordinate" with them on this.

When did the weakest dictate to the strongest what to do? The first thing Gusenbauer, or better yet Slovenia as EU president, should do is declare that any UDI will not be recognized by the EU. If they talk about wanting to move into the driver's seat and make Kosovo a European issue, one should be proactive and not reactive.

It is Brussels that should tell Pristina what to do, when to do it, and how to do it; not the other way around.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Srboslav,Garry, Peggy

You have done the homwrok very well. You have managed to find the problems i.e.Cyprus, Basques, Koszikans etc but it seems that you are afradi to deal with them. You want for problems to remain as they are.
Also if you look at them separately you will notice that all of thme are different.
I would like to propose to this minority(Serbian camp) to start dealing with everyday life issues of Serbian citizens-somehing you can solve-not with Kosova issue-this is a issue for Kosova people.

peggy

pre 16 godina

Kosovo the last problem to be solved? You have got to be kidding.
Kosovo is only the beginning.

Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Today Kosovo,tomorrow Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece.

America, you have provided the Albanians and others with a blueprint of how to secede with your blessing.
Threaten violence and they will get what they want.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

can "solve problems at home in Europe,", describing Kosovo as the "last big unsolved issue of the 20th century."

-What is he talking about? The only unresolved issue of 20th centyry??? The one must uneducated to know that this is a huge lie coming from Austria. Ladies and gentlemen from the EU, I think that there are many unresolved issues worldwide. What about Paletina, what about Kurds, what about Basques, what about Korzikans, what about Srpska and so on. Perhaps this issues should be resolved first and then Kosovo. There is nothing to unclear about Kosovo since it belongs to Serbia and within its borders. Just go ahead and support illegal independence of Kosovo and then 1000 of more unresolved issues will be opened.

garry

pre 16 godina

Gusenbaure's comments that
the EU must show " can solve
problems at home in Europe"
is very hard to believe for
the simple reason that it
doesn't act collectively and
decisions are hijacked by the
big countries.If you take as
an example the Cyprus case
with the exemption of Greece
and Cyprus all the other
countries maintain that the
proper place to solve the
problem is the UN and not the
EU. Furthermore Cyprus is
already a full member of the
union.This case alone throws
away tha Austrian Chancellor's statement that
the EU can solve the Kosovo
impasse.The proper place is
the UN security council and
its full authority.

Srboslav

pre 16 godina

First this really is not a either US/EU/Russian thing to solve, but a UN since both Serbia and Albania is memebers of the UN and here we have one country that are encouraging a minority in the other country to separete and become independent.

The UN decision should be that of common sense and legal validation:

No illegal theft of a memeber country, end of discussion!

peggy

pre 16 godina

Kosovo the last problem to be solved? You have got to be kidding.
Kosovo is only the beginning.

Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Today Kosovo,tomorrow Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece.

America, you have provided the Albanians and others with a blueprint of how to secede with your blessing.
Threaten violence and they will get what they want.

garry

pre 16 godina

Gusenbaure's comments that
the EU must show " can solve
problems at home in Europe"
is very hard to believe for
the simple reason that it
doesn't act collectively and
decisions are hijacked by the
big countries.If you take as
an example the Cyprus case
with the exemption of Greece
and Cyprus all the other
countries maintain that the
proper place to solve the
problem is the UN and not the
EU. Furthermore Cyprus is
already a full member of the
union.This case alone throws
away tha Austrian Chancellor's statement that
the EU can solve the Kosovo
impasse.The proper place is
the UN security council and
its full authority.

smile

pre 16 godina

"last big unresolved issue of the 20th century"

what then please what do you call hamastan then? oh this is hilarious. unresolved issues all over the world. none of these arguments they are making make sense. they're all emotional appeals. "we must do this now because there was a war then, the last issue must be closed, talks went on for 2 years..." so??
its interesting to see serbia have rock solid legal argument while the other side resorts to pure politics. They cannot do anything concrete, all they can is to keep convincing us to agree to destroy our own country. well good luck with that.

Srboslav

pre 16 godina

First this really is not a either US/EU/Russian thing to solve, but a UN since both Serbia and Albania is memebers of the UN and here we have one country that are encouraging a minority in the other country to separete and become independent.

The UN decision should be that of common sense and legal validation:

No illegal theft of a memeber country, end of discussion!

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

can "solve problems at home in Europe,", describing Kosovo as the "last big unsolved issue of the 20th century."

-What is he talking about? The only unresolved issue of 20th centyry??? The one must uneducated to know that this is a huge lie coming from Austria. Ladies and gentlemen from the EU, I think that there are many unresolved issues worldwide. What about Paletina, what about Kurds, what about Basques, what about Korzikans, what about Srpska and so on. Perhaps this issues should be resolved first and then Kosovo. There is nothing to unclear about Kosovo since it belongs to Serbia and within its borders. Just go ahead and support illegal independence of Kosovo and then 1000 of more unresolved issues will be opened.

garry

pre 16 godina

To Olf
The world doesn't function
under the laws of the wild
west as most of the Albanians
suggest in their comments.
The UN was created in order to provide the legal framework to settle disputes
between nations and various
ethnic groups.Therefore, it is the proper place for the
Kosovo problem to be addressed.
As to your remarks that USA,
France and UK are democratic
you only have to look at their past history and you
get the picture.Ask the French about Algeria,the UK
about slavery and Northen
ireland and the USA about their own indigenous people
and will only get silence.
All the so called great
countries have millions of
skeletons in their cupboards.

Bob Petrovich

pre 16 godina

Serbia and Austria have very interesting joint history.

For centuries, Serbs were trusted soldiers of the Austrian Emperor. When Serbia gained independence, at first Austria was a benevolent giant towards tiny Serbia. Then Austria annexed Serb land previously occupied by the Ottomans. Then Austria decided to go to war against Serbia. It was a Pyrrhic victory for Serbia (56% male population dead) and the end of Austro-Hungarian empire.

Then, certain Austrian, a failed painter, decided to
go to war again, and send native Austrians as Wehrmacht commanders to Serbia to inflicvt the maximum damage. They obliged and commited horrendous crimes in Serbia.

The rest is history. Hitler's Third Reich was shattered and with it Austrian wish for revived Empire and revenge.

After 1992, official Vienna tries to revive it's role in the new EU empire. The original
venue for ICTY was planned to be Vienna, but it was considered a bad taste. Failed talks with Kosovo Albanian representatives was set to be held in Vienna by no accident.

Some people never learn.

Austria should learn from her own history that it pays better to play with Serbs fair then ugly.

In June 1914, anyone advising Austria to leave Serbia alone because of Austria's sake would be considered naive and stupid.

The same applies for Austrian Hitler and his April 6 1941 decision.

This time, Austria is playing with EU's future.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

Austria was the first county to recognize Croatia and we all know how much their recognition helped that situation.

Austria is clearly medaling into Serbian internal affairs and although I am not a fan of Nikolic and his radical party I know for certain his reaction to Austria would not have been to send a letter but instead to expel the Austrian ambassador from Belgrade, that action would send a clear message to the West about how serious Serbia is about Kosovo.

Mike

pre 16 godina

I find it almost surreal that while every state is saying they want to avoid a UDI, there seems to be this resigned understanding that Pristina will declare one and that the rest of Europe must "coordinate" with them on this.

When did the weakest dictate to the strongest what to do? The first thing Gusenbauer, or better yet Slovenia as EU president, should do is declare that any UDI will not be recognized by the EU. If they talk about wanting to move into the driver's seat and make Kosovo a European issue, one should be proactive and not reactive.

It is Brussels that should tell Pristina what to do, when to do it, and how to do it; not the other way around.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Srboslav,Garry, Peggy

You have done the homwrok very well. You have managed to find the problems i.e.Cyprus, Basques, Koszikans etc but it seems that you are afradi to deal with them. You want for problems to remain as they are.
Also if you look at them separately you will notice that all of thme are different.
I would like to propose to this minority(Serbian camp) to start dealing with everyday life issues of Serbian citizens-somehing you can solve-not with Kosova issue-this is a issue for Kosova people.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Serbian politicans finally begun to do their job as they should by reacting on every kind of malicious statements regarding Kosovo.

adriano

pre 16 godina

Srboslav, Albania has nothing to do with this story. So please do not use it anymore because Albanians like to use it nice and clean their nations name. And in ww1 it was not the UN that handed over kosovo to Serbia but the European Powers, the same ones that will take it back.
I guess its easy for you to fall pray to nonsense, the same things you wright you believe. And as for your UN common sence: China took tibet with force, Russia tryed to take Afganistan and the UN did nothing.

CaliforniaSteve

pre 16 godina

The Serbs and Kosovo Albanians should not be too impressed by what the Austrians have to say. Since the imperial days of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the lacky bureaucrats in Vienna have always been to blindly eager to serve their master, be it the Hapsburg Emperor, the German Kaiser or the new masters of the EU/NATO.

If they persist, the Serbian Government should not be sending the Austrian a polite yet strongly worded demarche, but instead be giving them a taste of their own illicit medicine, its called self determination for Tyrol, Salzburg, Carinthia, and Styria AND let the Slovenians in Carinthia/Styria join Slovenia and the Hungarians in Burgenland join Hungary. Vorarlberg would be better off within Switzerland. Let rump Austria become rump Vienna in the new EU.

The same hold true for Germany, France and the UK! If they want to start raping sovernign nations, let the balkanization of their countries start too. That is what the ultimate course of events will take the EU too!

The 21st Century is starting to look more like the 15th Century - Is this the new PAX EUROPA?

rolerkoster

pre 16 godina

Beloved Serbia! Don't waste the future of your children with nationalism. with "arguments solid like a rock" you already destroyed the chance for two generations for to live in peace, dignity and welfare. Start to become a smart nation on which your children may be proud once in the future. Learn to stand on your own feet first, Serbia, until now your have'nt proved that yet, which means: prove to be independent, also in financial terms. Try to be thanksful for the millions of jobs, given inside the EU to millions of your brothers and sisters. Instead of crying for all these beloved people you are crying for Kosovo! with best regard, j. from austria

istref

pre 16 godina

I dont want to go back in time, I just want to remind 1912 when Otoman Empire left there was no UN resolution that separated Kosova and other parts, was conference in London , and Europe did that. If someone is responsible for Ballkans and specially for Kosove and other parts that were separeted from Albania, they are Europians. Now it's time to resolve those mistakes they made. By that time, we accepted everything what Europe and other super powers such as; Russia did because we were weak and tired, but we never gave up from our rights, we fought hard in every possible way to survive.We proved that we can live with you in peace, eventhough we didnt have the same rights with you, during the Tito's time. I dont want to talk whats happened from 1980s to 1999 because we all know. Now i think is time for you to let Kosovar people to go in their path, and you go in yours because the time has come and the democratic world has seen the reality. If you still think than Kosova would be part of Serbia you are naive.

Igor

pre 16 godina

Austria is clearly medaling into Serbian internal affairs and although I am not a fan of Nikolic and his radical party I know for certain his reaction to Austria would not have been to send a letter but instead to expel the Austrian ambassador from Belgrade, that action would send a clear message to the West about how serious Serbia is about Kosovo.
(Canadian, 2 January 2008 21:47)

And after the austrian ambassador, please go forward expelling also the american ambassador, the french one, the british, the german, the italian, the dutch, the canadian, the belgium, the croatian, slovenian, macedonian, most of EU ambassadors, most of th world ambassadors. And after them, try again to expell the 2 millions of albanians and go to the Kosovo field celebrating a big party together with the remaining ambassadors: the russian, the kenian, the iranian and the north korean ambassadors which follow your agenda.

Go Kosovo, Croatia is with you.

Vujadin

pre 16 godina

I would like to thank Bob Petrovich, Canadian and California Steve for writing their accurate analysis and opinion on Austria and its continuing arrogant attitude towards Serbia and its utterly disrespect to Serbs who unfortunately were killed in the name of the Austrian rulers (whether it was the Kaiser or AH). A country that, as an official part of Nazi Germany, was involved in many attrocities in the Balkan and genocide against Serbs and many others should think twice before its starts saying things that it will regret. I seriously doubt that the EU will last another 10-15 years. Eventually bureaucrats and revived nationalism in many EU countries will shatter the utopia dream of an united Europe (against who, the US, Russia, China?). What will happen if a EU country would like to leave the EU? Will the EU send its EU force to restore order? Yugoslavia was not a perfect marriage and it had a partly nasty divorce, but the consequences of a future EU divorce could be really messy. Unless Serbia is treated as an equal I would advice to think very carefully about an EU membership (read the small print on the back of the contract). The EU actually was very happy with the desolvation of Yugoslavia, since it did not like an independent country that could take of itself.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

As usual, the EU will only make a bigger mess. So the Albanians will declare independence and you will have the US, most Muslim countries and 20 odd EU countries recognising it (but not the EU...funny funny!). No surprises there. More importantly, Serbia will not and never will recognise it and included in that list will most likely be Russia, China, India and a host of other countries (representing more than half the world's population).

Since this has not gone through the UN, independence will not be legal and will only exist in some counties. Therefore Kosovo will not be able to join international organisation such as the UN and will become occupied territory of Serbia, so there is no need for Northern Kosovo to declare independence because it is still part of Serbia (and under its control)!

So independence will be a myth. Kosovo will be a puppet state of NATO where the US will secure its oil pipeline and steal all the minerals (just like it's stealing Iraq's oil). So good luck to the Kosovo Albanians and your new American friends. Lets see how long your honeymoon lasts once you realise they are your new "not so friendly" rules.

Stevan

pre 16 godina

"…Go Kosovo, Croatia is with you…."

Hey Igore, better tell us something we didn't know. We are very much aware that we can always count on good old Croats stubbing us in the back on every occasion they can. By now, even most naive Serb lost any illusion he might have had about you.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

It looks like the serb politicians will have to write too many demarches in the coming days. One demarche for every country accepting Kosova as an independent country.
Good thing! Serb politicians will be kept busy writing demarches.

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Yeah right, as if anyone will pay any attention to what you have to say Mr Jeremic. With the states lined up to recognise Kosova, you would be better not opening your mouth on the subject.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

looks like the Austrians were told to test serbian resolve...

that´s only a test-balloon..nothing more.

I do not expect much more countries to say the same in the near future...

Mr.Gusenbauer, nice try! ( anyway, at least the Albanians are falling for it! )

Nikola

pre 16 godina

Well if we want to look at the Kosovo situation as a regional issue by looking at it as a "European Problem" hey thats fine with me.

So with that being said.. I guess we throw America out of the equation.

But oh wait.. I do believe Russia is a country on the European continent as well. The fact is the EU does not make up the whole continent of Europe so there statement of Kosovo being a "European Problem" is fine however the EU does not speak for the whole European continent.

Stevan

pre 16 godina

"… Serbia! Don't waste the future of your children with nationalism…"

Rolerkoster, put propaganda a side and look at the facts - all new states emerged on the territory of ex-YU are now almost completely ethnically clean, because they expelled their minorities. The only exemption is Serbia. Here we have a most multi cultural country of all of ex-YU. Despite all what happened, number of minorities in Serbia didn't change significantly before, during and after the war(s) of the 90 's. Add to that fact that Serbia has a biggest refugee population in Europe, around 1 000 000 ethnical Serbs, victims of Croatian, Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo-Albanian nationalism. Think for a moment about these figures and then tell me once again who destroyed future of our children and who is guilty of extreme nationalism.

"… the chance …. to live in peace, dignity and welfare…"

Our, (all nations of ex-YU), best chance for peaceful and reasonably well-off living was former Yugoslavia. But western Empire builders saw it as an obstacle to their plans for global domination. They supported local fanatics, all hell broke loose, and now we are here…..

"…Learn to stand on your own feet first, Serbia, until now your have'nt proved that yet, which means: prove to be independent, also in financial terms…"

Serbs always stood on their own feet, against all odds, and paid very high price for that. Our independence is precisely the reason that we are once more singled out and attacked.

"… prove to be independent…"

I'm not sure what you mean? To stay out of EU and follow our own foreign and domestic policy? If you mean that, I agree completely.

"…Try to be thankful for the millions of jobs, given inside the EU to millions of your brothers and sisters…"

What is there to be especially thankful about? West Europe needed workers for mostly dangerous, dirty and low paid jobs that their own population didn't want to work on. So, they imported legions of people from all over the place, including Serbs. It was pure self-interest.

craig

pre 16 godina

be thanksful for the millions of jobs, given inside the EU to millions of your brothers and sisters."

Millions? You must joking.

massimo

pre 16 godina

It will be another chance to get rid off the UN Security Council.
Is it acceptable that five countries rule (or try to do so) the entire world? Remember that the UN organization, and above all the Security Council authority, is simply a WW2 heritage.
It is time to definitely establish a different world order since WW3 has already been fought and won by NATO.

miri

pre 16 godina

To Matthew: "What’s up with Germans and their love of “final solutions”?"

First this is Austria, not Germany. Second, it looks like the Austrians know how to hold a grudge too.
You killed their emperor for god sake!!

Jovan

pre 16 godina

Stevane...

why are you paying so much attention to ( very likely ) minor Croatians obsessed with poor attempts to offend some Serbs here?

and, last but not least...

once again miri is speaking up without having clue of what she´s actually talking about...

the individual who killed the austro-hungarian official was a citizen of Austro-hungary, don´t forget that.

if you ever had heard about it at all...

Paolo

pre 16 godina

“Kosovo is only part of the nostalgia for the so-called Greater Serbia, which no longer exists. The new Serbia no longer needs this nostalgia, it needs the future,” Giuliano Amato, Italian Interior Minister

miri

pre 16 godina

To Stevan: "We are very much aware that we can always count on good old Croats stubbing us in the back on every occasion they can. By now, even most naive Serb lost any illusion he might have had about you"

Stevan, did you ever wonder why it's like this? K-Albanians have nothing in common with Croats or Slovenes, on the contrary you share the same language, names, culture, heritage, history, religion etc.
And yet again, when it comes to Serbs, K-Albanians have only one thing in common with Croats.

Stevan

pre 16 godina

Miri, Serbs and Croats are indeed very similar, but there is one big difference. We don’t share same religion. Croats are Catholics and Serbs are Orthodox Christians. Croats doesn’t identify them selves to much on the basis of their Slav cultural back ground. During Second World War Croatian nationalists even fabricated theory that they are not Slavs at all but some Aryan tribe from Iran! Croats identify them selves in the first place as Catholics and their loyalty lays in Vatican. And Vatican is not friend of Orthodox, for quite a few centuries is doing everything it can to weaken Orthodox world and take their influence zone over. That’s one of the most important roots of Croatian hatred toward Serbs. Add to that Croatian ambitions to grow to the East and you have most of the reasons.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Srboslav,Garry, Peggy

You have done the homwrok very well. You have managed to find the problems i.e.Cyprus, Basques, Koszikans etc but it seems that you are afradi to deal with them. You want for problems to remain as they are.
Also if you look at them separately you will notice that all of thme are different.
I would like to propose to this minority(Serbian camp) to start dealing with everyday life issues of Serbian citizens-somehing you can solve-not with Kosova issue-this is a issue for Kosova people.

adriano

pre 16 godina

Srboslav, Albania has nothing to do with this story. So please do not use it anymore because Albanians like to use it nice and clean their nations name. And in ww1 it was not the UN that handed over kosovo to Serbia but the European Powers, the same ones that will take it back.
I guess its easy for you to fall pray to nonsense, the same things you wright you believe. And as for your UN common sence: China took tibet with force, Russia tryed to take Afganistan and the UN did nothing.

istref

pre 16 godina

I dont want to go back in time, I just want to remind 1912 when Otoman Empire left there was no UN resolution that separated Kosova and other parts, was conference in London , and Europe did that. If someone is responsible for Ballkans and specially for Kosove and other parts that were separeted from Albania, they are Europians. Now it's time to resolve those mistakes they made. By that time, we accepted everything what Europe and other super powers such as; Russia did because we were weak and tired, but we never gave up from our rights, we fought hard in every possible way to survive.We proved that we can live with you in peace, eventhough we didnt have the same rights with you, during the Tito's time. I dont want to talk whats happened from 1980s to 1999 because we all know. Now i think is time for you to let Kosovar people to go in their path, and you go in yours because the time has come and the democratic world has seen the reality. If you still think than Kosova would be part of Serbia you are naive.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

It looks like the serb politicians will have to write too many demarches in the coming days. One demarche for every country accepting Kosova as an independent country.
Good thing! Serb politicians will be kept busy writing demarches.

rolerkoster

pre 16 godina

Beloved Serbia! Don't waste the future of your children with nationalism. with "arguments solid like a rock" you already destroyed the chance for two generations for to live in peace, dignity and welfare. Start to become a smart nation on which your children may be proud once in the future. Learn to stand on your own feet first, Serbia, until now your have'nt proved that yet, which means: prove to be independent, also in financial terms. Try to be thanksful for the millions of jobs, given inside the EU to millions of your brothers and sisters. Instead of crying for all these beloved people you are crying for Kosovo! with best regard, j. from austria

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Yeah right, as if anyone will pay any attention to what you have to say Mr Jeremic. With the states lined up to recognise Kosova, you would be better not opening your mouth on the subject.

smile

pre 16 godina

"last big unresolved issue of the 20th century"

what then please what do you call hamastan then? oh this is hilarious. unresolved issues all over the world. none of these arguments they are making make sense. they're all emotional appeals. "we must do this now because there was a war then, the last issue must be closed, talks went on for 2 years..." so??
its interesting to see serbia have rock solid legal argument while the other side resorts to pure politics. They cannot do anything concrete, all they can is to keep convincing us to agree to destroy our own country. well good luck with that.

Bob Petrovich

pre 16 godina

Serbia and Austria have very interesting joint history.

For centuries, Serbs were trusted soldiers of the Austrian Emperor. When Serbia gained independence, at first Austria was a benevolent giant towards tiny Serbia. Then Austria annexed Serb land previously occupied by the Ottomans. Then Austria decided to go to war against Serbia. It was a Pyrrhic victory for Serbia (56% male population dead) and the end of Austro-Hungarian empire.

Then, certain Austrian, a failed painter, decided to
go to war again, and send native Austrians as Wehrmacht commanders to Serbia to inflicvt the maximum damage. They obliged and commited horrendous crimes in Serbia.

The rest is history. Hitler's Third Reich was shattered and with it Austrian wish for revived Empire and revenge.

After 1992, official Vienna tries to revive it's role in the new EU empire. The original
venue for ICTY was planned to be Vienna, but it was considered a bad taste. Failed talks with Kosovo Albanian representatives was set to be held in Vienna by no accident.

Some people never learn.

Austria should learn from her own history that it pays better to play with Serbs fair then ugly.

In June 1914, anyone advising Austria to leave Serbia alone because of Austria's sake would be considered naive and stupid.

The same applies for Austrian Hitler and his April 6 1941 decision.

This time, Austria is playing with EU's future.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

Austria was the first county to recognize Croatia and we all know how much their recognition helped that situation.

Austria is clearly medaling into Serbian internal affairs and although I am not a fan of Nikolic and his radical party I know for certain his reaction to Austria would not have been to send a letter but instead to expel the Austrian ambassador from Belgrade, that action would send a clear message to the West about how serious Serbia is about Kosovo.

Srboslav

pre 16 godina

First this really is not a either US/EU/Russian thing to solve, but a UN since both Serbia and Albania is memebers of the UN and here we have one country that are encouraging a minority in the other country to separete and become independent.

The UN decision should be that of common sense and legal validation:

No illegal theft of a memeber country, end of discussion!

garry

pre 16 godina

Gusenbaure's comments that
the EU must show " can solve
problems at home in Europe"
is very hard to believe for
the simple reason that it
doesn't act collectively and
decisions are hijacked by the
big countries.If you take as
an example the Cyprus case
with the exemption of Greece
and Cyprus all the other
countries maintain that the
proper place to solve the
problem is the UN and not the
EU. Furthermore Cyprus is
already a full member of the
union.This case alone throws
away tha Austrian Chancellor's statement that
the EU can solve the Kosovo
impasse.The proper place is
the UN security council and
its full authority.

garry

pre 16 godina

To Olf
The world doesn't function
under the laws of the wild
west as most of the Albanians
suggest in their comments.
The UN was created in order to provide the legal framework to settle disputes
between nations and various
ethnic groups.Therefore, it is the proper place for the
Kosovo problem to be addressed.
As to your remarks that USA,
France and UK are democratic
you only have to look at their past history and you
get the picture.Ask the French about Algeria,the UK
about slavery and Northen
ireland and the USA about their own indigenous people
and will only get silence.
All the so called great
countries have millions of
skeletons in their cupboards.

Paolo

pre 16 godina

“Kosovo is only part of the nostalgia for the so-called Greater Serbia, which no longer exists. The new Serbia no longer needs this nostalgia, it needs the future,” Giuliano Amato, Italian Interior Minister

massimo

pre 16 godina

It will be another chance to get rid off the UN Security Council.
Is it acceptable that five countries rule (or try to do so) the entire world? Remember that the UN organization, and above all the Security Council authority, is simply a WW2 heritage.
It is time to definitely establish a different world order since WW3 has already been fought and won by NATO.

Igor

pre 16 godina

Austria is clearly medaling into Serbian internal affairs and although I am not a fan of Nikolic and his radical party I know for certain his reaction to Austria would not have been to send a letter but instead to expel the Austrian ambassador from Belgrade, that action would send a clear message to the West about how serious Serbia is about Kosovo.
(Canadian, 2 January 2008 21:47)

And after the austrian ambassador, please go forward expelling also the american ambassador, the french one, the british, the german, the italian, the dutch, the canadian, the belgium, the croatian, slovenian, macedonian, most of EU ambassadors, most of th world ambassadors. And after them, try again to expell the 2 millions of albanians and go to the Kosovo field celebrating a big party together with the remaining ambassadors: the russian, the kenian, the iranian and the north korean ambassadors which follow your agenda.

Go Kosovo, Croatia is with you.

miri

pre 16 godina

To Matthew: "What’s up with Germans and their love of “final solutions”?"

First this is Austria, not Germany. Second, it looks like the Austrians know how to hold a grudge too.
You killed their emperor for god sake!!

miri

pre 16 godina

To Stevan: "We are very much aware that we can always count on good old Croats stubbing us in the back on every occasion they can. By now, even most naive Serb lost any illusion he might have had about you"

Stevan, did you ever wonder why it's like this? K-Albanians have nothing in common with Croats or Slovenes, on the contrary you share the same language, names, culture, heritage, history, religion etc.
And yet again, when it comes to Serbs, K-Albanians have only one thing in common with Croats.

peggy

pre 16 godina

Kosovo the last problem to be solved? You have got to be kidding.
Kosovo is only the beginning.

Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Today Kosovo,tomorrow Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece.

America, you have provided the Albanians and others with a blueprint of how to secede with your blessing.
Threaten violence and they will get what they want.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

can "solve problems at home in Europe,", describing Kosovo as the "last big unsolved issue of the 20th century."

-What is he talking about? The only unresolved issue of 20th centyry??? The one must uneducated to know that this is a huge lie coming from Austria. Ladies and gentlemen from the EU, I think that there are many unresolved issues worldwide. What about Paletina, what about Kurds, what about Basques, what about Korzikans, what about Srpska and so on. Perhaps this issues should be resolved first and then Kosovo. There is nothing to unclear about Kosovo since it belongs to Serbia and within its borders. Just go ahead and support illegal independence of Kosovo and then 1000 of more unresolved issues will be opened.

Mike

pre 16 godina

I find it almost surreal that while every state is saying they want to avoid a UDI, there seems to be this resigned understanding that Pristina will declare one and that the rest of Europe must "coordinate" with them on this.

When did the weakest dictate to the strongest what to do? The first thing Gusenbauer, or better yet Slovenia as EU president, should do is declare that any UDI will not be recognized by the EU. If they talk about wanting to move into the driver's seat and make Kosovo a European issue, one should be proactive and not reactive.

It is Brussels that should tell Pristina what to do, when to do it, and how to do it; not the other way around.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Serbian politicans finally begun to do their job as they should by reacting on every kind of malicious statements regarding Kosovo.

CaliforniaSteve

pre 16 godina

The Serbs and Kosovo Albanians should not be too impressed by what the Austrians have to say. Since the imperial days of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the lacky bureaucrats in Vienna have always been to blindly eager to serve their master, be it the Hapsburg Emperor, the German Kaiser or the new masters of the EU/NATO.

If they persist, the Serbian Government should not be sending the Austrian a polite yet strongly worded demarche, but instead be giving them a taste of their own illicit medicine, its called self determination for Tyrol, Salzburg, Carinthia, and Styria AND let the Slovenians in Carinthia/Styria join Slovenia and the Hungarians in Burgenland join Hungary. Vorarlberg would be better off within Switzerland. Let rump Austria become rump Vienna in the new EU.

The same hold true for Germany, France and the UK! If they want to start raping sovernign nations, let the balkanization of their countries start too. That is what the ultimate course of events will take the EU too!

The 21st Century is starting to look more like the 15th Century - Is this the new PAX EUROPA?

Vujadin

pre 16 godina

I would like to thank Bob Petrovich, Canadian and California Steve for writing their accurate analysis and opinion on Austria and its continuing arrogant attitude towards Serbia and its utterly disrespect to Serbs who unfortunately were killed in the name of the Austrian rulers (whether it was the Kaiser or AH). A country that, as an official part of Nazi Germany, was involved in many attrocities in the Balkan and genocide against Serbs and many others should think twice before its starts saying things that it will regret. I seriously doubt that the EU will last another 10-15 years. Eventually bureaucrats and revived nationalism in many EU countries will shatter the utopia dream of an united Europe (against who, the US, Russia, China?). What will happen if a EU country would like to leave the EU? Will the EU send its EU force to restore order? Yugoslavia was not a perfect marriage and it had a partly nasty divorce, but the consequences of a future EU divorce could be really messy. Unless Serbia is treated as an equal I would advice to think very carefully about an EU membership (read the small print on the back of the contract). The EU actually was very happy with the desolvation of Yugoslavia, since it did not like an independent country that could take of itself.

craig

pre 16 godina

be thanksful for the millions of jobs, given inside the EU to millions of your brothers and sisters."

Millions? You must joking.

Stevan

pre 16 godina

"…Go Kosovo, Croatia is with you…."

Hey Igore, better tell us something we didn't know. We are very much aware that we can always count on good old Croats stubbing us in the back on every occasion they can. By now, even most naive Serb lost any illusion he might have had about you.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

looks like the Austrians were told to test serbian resolve...

that´s only a test-balloon..nothing more.

I do not expect much more countries to say the same in the near future...

Mr.Gusenbauer, nice try! ( anyway, at least the Albanians are falling for it! )

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

As usual, the EU will only make a bigger mess. So the Albanians will declare independence and you will have the US, most Muslim countries and 20 odd EU countries recognising it (but not the EU...funny funny!). No surprises there. More importantly, Serbia will not and never will recognise it and included in that list will most likely be Russia, China, India and a host of other countries (representing more than half the world's population).

Since this has not gone through the UN, independence will not be legal and will only exist in some counties. Therefore Kosovo will not be able to join international organisation such as the UN and will become occupied territory of Serbia, so there is no need for Northern Kosovo to declare independence because it is still part of Serbia (and under its control)!

So independence will be a myth. Kosovo will be a puppet state of NATO where the US will secure its oil pipeline and steal all the minerals (just like it's stealing Iraq's oil). So good luck to the Kosovo Albanians and your new American friends. Lets see how long your honeymoon lasts once you realise they are your new "not so friendly" rules.

Nikola

pre 16 godina

Well if we want to look at the Kosovo situation as a regional issue by looking at it as a "European Problem" hey thats fine with me.

So with that being said.. I guess we throw America out of the equation.

But oh wait.. I do believe Russia is a country on the European continent as well. The fact is the EU does not make up the whole continent of Europe so there statement of Kosovo being a "European Problem" is fine however the EU does not speak for the whole European continent.

Stevan

pre 16 godina

"… Serbia! Don't waste the future of your children with nationalism…"

Rolerkoster, put propaganda a side and look at the facts - all new states emerged on the territory of ex-YU are now almost completely ethnically clean, because they expelled their minorities. The only exemption is Serbia. Here we have a most multi cultural country of all of ex-YU. Despite all what happened, number of minorities in Serbia didn't change significantly before, during and after the war(s) of the 90 's. Add to that fact that Serbia has a biggest refugee population in Europe, around 1 000 000 ethnical Serbs, victims of Croatian, Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo-Albanian nationalism. Think for a moment about these figures and then tell me once again who destroyed future of our children and who is guilty of extreme nationalism.

"… the chance …. to live in peace, dignity and welfare…"

Our, (all nations of ex-YU), best chance for peaceful and reasonably well-off living was former Yugoslavia. But western Empire builders saw it as an obstacle to their plans for global domination. They supported local fanatics, all hell broke loose, and now we are here…..

"…Learn to stand on your own feet first, Serbia, until now your have'nt proved that yet, which means: prove to be independent, also in financial terms…"

Serbs always stood on their own feet, against all odds, and paid very high price for that. Our independence is precisely the reason that we are once more singled out and attacked.

"… prove to be independent…"

I'm not sure what you mean? To stay out of EU and follow our own foreign and domestic policy? If you mean that, I agree completely.

"…Try to be thankful for the millions of jobs, given inside the EU to millions of your brothers and sisters…"

What is there to be especially thankful about? West Europe needed workers for mostly dangerous, dirty and low paid jobs that their own population didn't want to work on. So, they imported legions of people from all over the place, including Serbs. It was pure self-interest.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

Stevane...

why are you paying so much attention to ( very likely ) minor Croatians obsessed with poor attempts to offend some Serbs here?

and, last but not least...

once again miri is speaking up without having clue of what she´s actually talking about...

the individual who killed the austro-hungarian official was a citizen of Austro-hungary, don´t forget that.

if you ever had heard about it at all...

Stevan

pre 16 godina

Miri, Serbs and Croats are indeed very similar, but there is one big difference. We don’t share same religion. Croats are Catholics and Serbs are Orthodox Christians. Croats doesn’t identify them selves to much on the basis of their Slav cultural back ground. During Second World War Croatian nationalists even fabricated theory that they are not Slavs at all but some Aryan tribe from Iran! Croats identify them selves in the first place as Catholics and their loyalty lays in Vatican. And Vatican is not friend of Orthodox, for quite a few centuries is doing everything it can to weaken Orthodox world and take their influence zone over. That’s one of the most important roots of Croatian hatred toward Serbs. Add to that Croatian ambitions to grow to the East and you have most of the reasons.