<a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=01&dd=01&nav_id=46609" class="text-link" target= "_blank">Ban Ki-moon's statement</a> that delays over Kosovo could lead to regional instability is "utterly wrong", Slobodan Samardžić says.
Stevan: "Actually, in a former Yugoslavia, we were used to have good relations with (almost) everyone. Given a chance, Serbia would continue such foreign policy".
"…Why not be friends with everybody?…..It should be the goal of every state to have good relations with everyone."
Yes, it would be nice if possible, but what to do with dose who are trying to destroy us? Smile to them and let them have their way? I don't think so.
Actually, in a former Yugoslavia, we were used to have good relations with (almost) everyone. Given a chance, Serbia would continue such foreign policy.
I am not pointing fingers at any individuals peggy, but many people here do it, mostly Albanians, but some Serbs also, and then you have people comparing USA and EU to China and Russia, and who it is better to ally with, or whatever. Why not be friends with everybody? Why does one have to pick a side to be on whilst opposing the other side? It's stupid, that is all I am saying. It should be the goal of every state to have good relations with everyone.
I am astonished that so many people have chosen to attack what I wrote.
I must've hit a nerve.
Peter, I am not playing you have such and such on your side and the Serbs have so and so. The Albanian camp is always saying how they have the world on their side. Someone has to tell them it is not so.
Have you ever heard me say that Serbia has so many countries on her side simply because of some sort of boasting?
When you constantly read the Albanian posts which are factually wrong about their support don't you think someone has to stand up and say that they are wrong and explain how?
Ok Paggy, lets play game: We Albanians, US, GB, France, Germany and the rest of the democratic world on one side, and you Serbs, Russia, Indonesia,maybe Cyprus (but not China) and some non importand states on the other side.
Happy 2008 and Bozic.-
Lets play, the entire western world vs the rest - ok
Maybe 10% of the population and about 30% of the economy.
Till now the rest really doesn't care, the day it does...
Facts show that Serbia is going down on a very slippery slope.
The intervention of NATO in Kosovo was the strongest indication.
Yet there is no sign of contemplating, no remorse whatsoever.
That tells me Milosevic was a personification of a wide majority.
"Ok Paggy, lets play game: We Albanians, US, GB, France, Germany and the rest of the democratic world on one side, and you Serbs, Russia, Indonesia,maybe Cyprus (but not China) and some non importand states on the other side.
Happy 2008 and Bozic.
(xheffo, 2 January 2008 14:44) "
Right, so why isn't Kosovo independent yet xheffo? Why hasn't it been independent since 1999? I will tell you why, because the UNSC, the EU and other important organizations are divided on the issue and Kosovo is quite simply unable to function on its own!
The sooner Kosovo Albanians realize that the Western World are not on "their side", nor are they interested in the interests of Albanians only, but of those of all people in the Balkans (they are just taking the stance which they think is a realstic solution), the better it will be for them to accept the constant deadlines that bring about no effect.
This childish idea of Albanians boasting who they have on "their side" and Serbs boasting who they have on "their side" are ridiculous, neither Serbia or Kosovo are significant nations, and you should both be ashamed that you are unable to negotiate like proper European states in order to come to a consensus on your own futures, but the whole world has to stop spinning to solve your problems. One thing is for sure, many Serbs and Albanians have adjust their mindframes to join the rest of Europe in the 21st Century, right it seems rather like the 1900's.
Like we (Serb camp)said before, a UDI will only open the door for the Albanians in FYR of Macidonia, Montenagro and Greese to do the same as they did in Kosovo. Not to mention others around the world that want indep. So what Ban is saying is that K-A don't get indep soon there will be instability. And who will cause this instability? You guessed it the Albanians. Indep=exudous of non Albanians & creation of a mono-ethnic state, or no indep= Albanians taking up arms and start a new wave of ethnic cleansing of non-Albanians.
The Serbian government is blaming everyone and every comments when it comes to Kosova's issue.
Should we all replace all the international negotiators, diplomats, judges, head of international institutions with Serbs just to prove that the Serbs are right?
Kosova 's full independence is unavoidable. LET'S BE REALISTIC! Some people might call it illegal. It might be illegal for them but it is legal for people living in Kosova, USA, ITALY, FRANCE, GERMANY, UNITED KINGDOM and others to follow and Arab world.....
Mika: I'm not sure where you're going with your post, but it sounds like you want to secede as much of Serbia as possible.
All those territories you mentioned have a unique history, but Serbs have done their fair share of suffering over the centuries. Any Balkan history book will prove that.
Moreover, there are some areas around the Balkans where Serbs form the majority and yet live as a minority. Rather than bring that up, I think a focus on international law would be more helpful. Otherwise dominos will fall and it won't be pretty.
Lastly, Russia is considered one of the great nations of Europe, and Serbs have much in common with them. I think Serbs have much more to be proud of in their relationship with Russia, than do some other nations in the Balkans who had relationships with Nazi Germany.
I don't think this discussion is staying on topic with the article. Samardzic said, "Kosovo is a territory in which human rights and minority rights are not respected and where standards are far from being met."
Until this is dealt with Samardzic is correct in saying that independence will be destabilizing.
Kate, why did Serbia sign the agreement? Was it because NATO was bombing serbia or because Serbians finally got a conscience and stopped the ethnic cleansing and slaughtering.
Serbians have breeched enough human rights and international law to last them through the next century!
And its becoming more and more clear why Russia is supporting Serbia, because serbia is willing to sell 51% of their petroleum industry in NIS, at half price! How desperate!
If you analyze the countries that are supporting Serbia, they are countries who have it in their own interest not to recognize independence because of breakaway minorities in their own country, not for moral and ethical issues regarding Kosovo and its history of oppression by Serbs. And of course Russia who just wants to buy cheap energy!
Countries who are neutral of domestic issues and who analyze the history of the Balkans support Kosovo and its eventual independence :)i.e. the most democratically established countries in the world, France, UK, USA. Can you argue with that?
The world is on the Kosovar side. The sooner you realize this the better off you are.
Now Indonesia, Cyprus,Greece Romania, Russia support Serbia for their own internal reasons. China has never said that it will veto the resolution. So you see while I can count countries that support Serbia within seconds it could take me half a day to count countries that support Kosovo's independence.
Bosnia and Kosovo are two different issues and I think you have them confused. By the way didnt Serbs cause enough harm to Bosnian moslems. When is enough enough.
Re: 'Unbelievable that some posters are still using 1999 in its full and debunked media spun form as a reason for Serbia to have Kosovo prised away.'
You've been using 1639 to claim Kosova as The cradle of your culture and turned it into a slaughterhouse in 1999. You're asking people to forget what happened 9 years ago but keep reminding everyone of some 600 year old myths. Very logical eh?!
If the UNSC is bypassed in decision on Kosovo, then the organization should be shut down as it became just another voice for backing up USA's policy. The UN will no longer have any other function but to represent the policy of might is right. Serbia should sue this organisation for not imposing the sanctions to the countries involved in illegal bombardment of Serbia as well as NATO countries involved in illegal bombing of Serbia. UN is turning inot United Nonsense!
Ok Paggy, lets play game: We Albanians, US, GB, France, Germany and the rest of the democratic world on one side, and you Serbs, Russia, Indonesia,maybe Cyprus (but not China) and some non importand states on the other side.
Happy 2008 and Bozic.
Samardzic said nothing new. The same old story, Entire world is wrong except Serbian politicians and their supporters in minority.
This rhetoric has started in mid 80's. Rhetoric that brought so many tears and paint to all in Yugoslavia including Serbs should one and for always stop.
So Mr. Samardzic, everyone talking about speedy solution and ending the limbo status are ALL wrong? According to you the best solution is letting the problem be a "frozen conflict", No? I think you got your hands on too much "Rakia" in new years eve.
Unbelievable that some posters are still using 1999 in its full and debunked media spun form as a reason for Serbia to have Kosovo prised away.
We are in 2008 and Serbia signed an agreement to end the conflict with Nato. Kosovo is part of Serbia's territory, despite having a majority Albanian population.
As Peggy points out the US, France and UK are not the 'world', neither are they the only upholders of democracy as some seem to be saying. They do not have clean slates when it comes to human rights.
Russia and China are entitled to use their vetoes, a privilege used by the US and the UK frequently in the past.
It is extremely naive for the pro-independence posters to talk of America as being some great unquestionable upholder of justice and freedom. I support Russia's stance in this issue but I would be the first to criticise other elements of their foreign and domestic policy. This is normal - nobody should blindly follow a nation, political party or ideology. That is not free thought.
I wish these false statements that the world is on Albanian side would stop. The world is NOT on Albanian side, unless you count the US, UK and France as the world.
Many more countries are opposed to this and the "world" will soon realize that.
Are you Albanian posters seriously discounting all those Chinese and Russians alone as insignificant. Then we have Indonesia, the largest Muslim country and they are opposed to independent Kosovo.
We have India not on board. Many European countries as well. Where do you get this, the world is on Albanian side rubbish?
Time and time again you are reminded that the world does not support independent Kosovo, only a few countries do, but you still keep writing the same rubbish hoping that the more time you say it the better chances of it being true.
Some say you cannot stop the will of 2 million Albanians, but can you stop the will of all the Serbs in Republika Srpska from seeking independence and joining the millions of Serbs in Serbia. What about their will?
What about the millions of Serbs in Serbia who are opposed to their territory being stolen? Are you going to take their wishes into account or just the Albanian wishes matter?
Some say you cannot stop the will of 2 million Albanians, but can you stop the will of all the Serbs in Republika Srpska from seeking independence and joining the millions of Serbs in Serbia. What about their will?
What about the millions of Serbs in Serbia who are opposed to their territory being stolen? Are you going to take their wishes into account or just the Albanian wishes matter?
(peggy, 2 January 2008 14:08)
For this year 2008 Santa said that only the Albanian wishes will be fulfilled, serbs must wait for next year 2009. Although he admited that they first must hand over the two noctorious fugitives to Hague as a pre-condition to fulfill their wish to join EU.
According to the Serb camp;B
an Ki Moon is wrong, George W Bush is wrong, Ahtisari plan is wrong and so are millions of Albanians and the free world.Could it be possible that the Serbs are wrong on this and that's why their only ally, the one who bought their oil assets at half price are "helping Serbia when in reality only helping themselves.In summary;Yes Serbia you are correct the entire world is for the truth and your only friend is taking you for a ride.Hey, what happened to slavic brotherhood?
Gentlemen:
The high noon is here. Time is up. The fist quarter of 08 is decision time. The sooner the likes of Mr. Samardžić understand it the better. You cant stop the will and the desire of 2 million Kosovars to be set free.
The world is on the Kosovar side.(The majority of the world that embraces democracy.)Serbia is free to join these nations or embrace Putins Russia. Your choice! Either way Serbia cant stop Kosovo from gaining its long sought freedom.
Ban's own country South Korea couldn't resolve its sovereignty dispute with North Korea for nearly 60 years now. You can draw your own conclusions from there.
Garry - absolutely right. It is not his role to decide that the UN cannot deal with the issue. The legal procedure is through the Security Council, and if he is unable to protect and uphold this institution he should just step down.
Amazing Mr. Samardžić, don't you ever get tired mentioning international law?
If some aliens by any chance could hear your statement they would probably think that Serbians are keepers and defenders of international law! Serbia himself brake those laws so many time in a past, and it's breaking them those days too. From the very begining of existance of Serbia as a state, you manipulated with those laws, taking advantages for having Russia on your side, taking too many territories from your neighbors: from Hungary(Vojvodina), Bulgaria(Dimitrovgrad, Bosilegrad), Albania(Kosovo,Kuršumlija,Toplica), Makedonija(Prohor Pčinjski), all those territories where Serbians were big minority.
Do you think that entire world forgot all this? My family name is still same as a village near Niš from which we were deported back on 1878.
Knowing all this, it's so hard for nonserbians to understand your ''defending'' of international law.Maybe it's problem with us mortals, which are not part of ''Kingdom of Heaven", but as they say:'' when two of them say to you that you are drunk, better find a tree to hold yourself for it''. This tree is not Russia, and it's not international law either!
If Ban Ki-Moon feels being
incapable of dealing with
the present impasse in Kosovo
he should take the next
honourable step and resign.
The terms of reference of UN
secretary's jobis to try and
facilitate communications
between disputed parties and
help them to find common
ground.His assertion that
Kosovo is an EU problem is
totally wrong and offending
to Serbia which is a UN
member but not an EU country.
If Ban Ki-Moon feels being
incapable of dealing with
the present impasse in Kosovo
he should take the next
honourable step and resign.
The terms of reference of UN
secretary's jobis to try and
facilitate communications
between disputed parties and
help them to find common
ground.His assertion that
Kosovo is an EU problem is
totally wrong and offending
to Serbia which is a UN
member but not an EU country.
I wish these false statements that the world is on Albanian side would stop. The world is NOT on Albanian side, unless you count the US, UK and France as the world.
Many more countries are opposed to this and the "world" will soon realize that.
Are you Albanian posters seriously discounting all those Chinese and Russians alone as insignificant. Then we have Indonesia, the largest Muslim country and they are opposed to independent Kosovo.
We have India not on board. Many European countries as well. Where do you get this, the world is on Albanian side rubbish?
Time and time again you are reminded that the world does not support independent Kosovo, only a few countries do, but you still keep writing the same rubbish hoping that the more time you say it the better chances of it being true.
Some say you cannot stop the will of 2 million Albanians, but can you stop the will of all the Serbs in Republika Srpska from seeking independence and joining the millions of Serbs in Serbia. What about their will?
What about the millions of Serbs in Serbia who are opposed to their territory being stolen? Are you going to take their wishes into account or just the Albanian wishes matter?
Garry - absolutely right. It is not his role to decide that the UN cannot deal with the issue. The legal procedure is through the Security Council, and if he is unable to protect and uphold this institution he should just step down.
Ban's own country South Korea couldn't resolve its sovereignty dispute with North Korea for nearly 60 years now. You can draw your own conclusions from there.
Mika: I'm not sure where you're going with your post, but it sounds like you want to secede as much of Serbia as possible.
All those territories you mentioned have a unique history, but Serbs have done their fair share of suffering over the centuries. Any Balkan history book will prove that.
Moreover, there are some areas around the Balkans where Serbs form the majority and yet live as a minority. Rather than bring that up, I think a focus on international law would be more helpful. Otherwise dominos will fall and it won't be pretty.
Lastly, Russia is considered one of the great nations of Europe, and Serbs have much in common with them. I think Serbs have much more to be proud of in their relationship with Russia, than do some other nations in the Balkans who had relationships with Nazi Germany.
If the UNSC is bypassed in decision on Kosovo, then the organization should be shut down as it became just another voice for backing up USA's policy. The UN will no longer have any other function but to represent the policy of might is right. Serbia should sue this organisation for not imposing the sanctions to the countries involved in illegal bombardment of Serbia as well as NATO countries involved in illegal bombing of Serbia. UN is turning inot United Nonsense!
Amazing Mr. Samardžić, don't you ever get tired mentioning international law?
If some aliens by any chance could hear your statement they would probably think that Serbians are keepers and defenders of international law! Serbia himself brake those laws so many time in a past, and it's breaking them those days too. From the very begining of existance of Serbia as a state, you manipulated with those laws, taking advantages for having Russia on your side, taking too many territories from your neighbors: from Hungary(Vojvodina), Bulgaria(Dimitrovgrad, Bosilegrad), Albania(Kosovo,Kuršumlija,Toplica), Makedonija(Prohor Pčinjski), all those territories where Serbians were big minority.
Do you think that entire world forgot all this? My family name is still same as a village near Niš from which we were deported back on 1878.
Knowing all this, it's so hard for nonserbians to understand your ''defending'' of international law.Maybe it's problem with us mortals, which are not part of ''Kingdom of Heaven", but as they say:'' when two of them say to you that you are drunk, better find a tree to hold yourself for it''. This tree is not Russia, and it's not international law either!
Unbelievable that some posters are still using 1999 in its full and debunked media spun form as a reason for Serbia to have Kosovo prised away.
We are in 2008 and Serbia signed an agreement to end the conflict with Nato. Kosovo is part of Serbia's territory, despite having a majority Albanian population.
As Peggy points out the US, France and UK are not the 'world', neither are they the only upholders of democracy as some seem to be saying. They do not have clean slates when it comes to human rights.
Russia and China are entitled to use their vetoes, a privilege used by the US and the UK frequently in the past.
It is extremely naive for the pro-independence posters to talk of America as being some great unquestionable upholder of justice and freedom. I support Russia's stance in this issue but I would be the first to criticise other elements of their foreign and domestic policy. This is normal - nobody should blindly follow a nation, political party or ideology. That is not free thought.
I don't think this discussion is staying on topic with the article. Samardzic said, "Kosovo is a territory in which human rights and minority rights are not respected and where standards are far from being met."
Until this is dealt with Samardzic is correct in saying that independence will be destabilizing.
Like we (Serb camp)said before, a UDI will only open the door for the Albanians in FYR of Macidonia, Montenagro and Greese to do the same as they did in Kosovo. Not to mention others around the world that want indep. So what Ban is saying is that K-A don't get indep soon there will be instability. And who will cause this instability? You guessed it the Albanians. Indep=exudous of non Albanians & creation of a mono-ethnic state, or no indep= Albanians taking up arms and start a new wave of ethnic cleansing of non-Albanians.
Gentlemen:
The high noon is here. Time is up. The fist quarter of 08 is decision time. The sooner the likes of Mr. Samardžić understand it the better. You cant stop the will and the desire of 2 million Kosovars to be set free.
The world is on the Kosovar side.(The majority of the world that embraces democracy.)Serbia is free to join these nations or embrace Putins Russia. Your choice! Either way Serbia cant stop Kosovo from gaining its long sought freedom.
Ok Paggy, lets play game: We Albanians, US, GB, France, Germany and the rest of the democratic world on one side, and you Serbs, Russia, Indonesia,maybe Cyprus (but not China) and some non importand states on the other side.
Happy 2008 and Bozic.
Kate, why did Serbia sign the agreement? Was it because NATO was bombing serbia or because Serbians finally got a conscience and stopped the ethnic cleansing and slaughtering.
Serbians have breeched enough human rights and international law to last them through the next century!
And its becoming more and more clear why Russia is supporting Serbia, because serbia is willing to sell 51% of their petroleum industry in NIS, at half price! How desperate!
If you analyze the countries that are supporting Serbia, they are countries who have it in their own interest not to recognize independence because of breakaway minorities in their own country, not for moral and ethical issues regarding Kosovo and its history of oppression by Serbs. And of course Russia who just wants to buy cheap energy!
Countries who are neutral of domestic issues and who analyze the history of the Balkans support Kosovo and its eventual independence :)i.e. the most democratically established countries in the world, France, UK, USA. Can you argue with that?
Re: 'Unbelievable that some posters are still using 1999 in its full and debunked media spun form as a reason for Serbia to have Kosovo prised away.'
You've been using 1639 to claim Kosova as The cradle of your culture and turned it into a slaughterhouse in 1999. You're asking people to forget what happened 9 years ago but keep reminding everyone of some 600 year old myths. Very logical eh?!
According to the Serb camp;B
an Ki Moon is wrong, George W Bush is wrong, Ahtisari plan is wrong and so are millions of Albanians and the free world.Could it be possible that the Serbs are wrong on this and that's why their only ally, the one who bought their oil assets at half price are "helping Serbia when in reality only helping themselves.In summary;Yes Serbia you are correct the entire world is for the truth and your only friend is taking you for a ride.Hey, what happened to slavic brotherhood?
I am astonished that so many people have chosen to attack what I wrote.
I must've hit a nerve.
Peter, I am not playing you have such and such on your side and the Serbs have so and so. The Albanian camp is always saying how they have the world on their side. Someone has to tell them it is not so.
Have you ever heard me say that Serbia has so many countries on her side simply because of some sort of boasting?
When you constantly read the Albanian posts which are factually wrong about their support don't you think someone has to stand up and say that they are wrong and explain how?
The world is on the Kosovar side. The sooner you realize this the better off you are.
Now Indonesia, Cyprus,Greece Romania, Russia support Serbia for their own internal reasons. China has never said that it will veto the resolution. So you see while I can count countries that support Serbia within seconds it could take me half a day to count countries that support Kosovo's independence.
Bosnia and Kosovo are two different issues and I think you have them confused. By the way didnt Serbs cause enough harm to Bosnian moslems. When is enough enough.
The Serbian government is blaming everyone and every comments when it comes to Kosova's issue.
Should we all replace all the international negotiators, diplomats, judges, head of international institutions with Serbs just to prove that the Serbs are right?
Kosova 's full independence is unavoidable. LET'S BE REALISTIC! Some people might call it illegal. It might be illegal for them but it is legal for people living in Kosova, USA, ITALY, FRANCE, GERMANY, UNITED KINGDOM and others to follow and Arab world.....
"Ok Paggy, lets play game: We Albanians, US, GB, France, Germany and the rest of the democratic world on one side, and you Serbs, Russia, Indonesia,maybe Cyprus (but not China) and some non importand states on the other side.
Happy 2008 and Bozic.
(xheffo, 2 January 2008 14:44) "
Right, so why isn't Kosovo independent yet xheffo? Why hasn't it been independent since 1999? I will tell you why, because the UNSC, the EU and other important organizations are divided on the issue and Kosovo is quite simply unable to function on its own!
The sooner Kosovo Albanians realize that the Western World are not on "their side", nor are they interested in the interests of Albanians only, but of those of all people in the Balkans (they are just taking the stance which they think is a realstic solution), the better it will be for them to accept the constant deadlines that bring about no effect.
This childish idea of Albanians boasting who they have on "their side" and Serbs boasting who they have on "their side" are ridiculous, neither Serbia or Kosovo are significant nations, and you should both be ashamed that you are unable to negotiate like proper European states in order to come to a consensus on your own futures, but the whole world has to stop spinning to solve your problems. One thing is for sure, many Serbs and Albanians have adjust their mindframes to join the rest of Europe in the 21st Century, right it seems rather like the 1900's.
Facts show that Serbia is going down on a very slippery slope.
The intervention of NATO in Kosovo was the strongest indication.
Yet there is no sign of contemplating, no remorse whatsoever.
That tells me Milosevic was a personification of a wide majority.
So Mr. Samardzic, everyone talking about speedy solution and ending the limbo status are ALL wrong? According to you the best solution is letting the problem be a "frozen conflict", No? I think you got your hands on too much "Rakia" in new years eve.
I am not pointing fingers at any individuals peggy, but many people here do it, mostly Albanians, but some Serbs also, and then you have people comparing USA and EU to China and Russia, and who it is better to ally with, or whatever. Why not be friends with everybody? Why does one have to pick a side to be on whilst opposing the other side? It's stupid, that is all I am saying. It should be the goal of every state to have good relations with everyone.
Samardzic said nothing new. The same old story, Entire world is wrong except Serbian politicians and their supporters in minority.
This rhetoric has started in mid 80's. Rhetoric that brought so many tears and paint to all in Yugoslavia including Serbs should one and for always stop.
Some say you cannot stop the will of 2 million Albanians, but can you stop the will of all the Serbs in Republika Srpska from seeking independence and joining the millions of Serbs in Serbia. What about their will?
What about the millions of Serbs in Serbia who are opposed to their territory being stolen? Are you going to take their wishes into account or just the Albanian wishes matter?
(peggy, 2 January 2008 14:08)
For this year 2008 Santa said that only the Albanian wishes will be fulfilled, serbs must wait for next year 2009. Although he admited that they first must hand over the two noctorious fugitives to Hague as a pre-condition to fulfill their wish to join EU.
"…Why not be friends with everybody?…..It should be the goal of every state to have good relations with everyone."
Yes, it would be nice if possible, but what to do with dose who are trying to destroy us? Smile to them and let them have their way? I don't think so.
Actually, in a former Yugoslavia, we were used to have good relations with (almost) everyone. Given a chance, Serbia would continue such foreign policy.
Ok Paggy, lets play game: We Albanians, US, GB, France, Germany and the rest of the democratic world on one side, and you Serbs, Russia, Indonesia,maybe Cyprus (but not China) and some non importand states on the other side.
Happy 2008 and Bozic.-
Lets play, the entire western world vs the rest - ok
Maybe 10% of the population and about 30% of the economy.
Till now the rest really doesn't care, the day it does...
Stevan: "Actually, in a former Yugoslavia, we were used to have good relations with (almost) everyone. Given a chance, Serbia would continue such foreign policy".
Amazing Mr. Samardžić, don't you ever get tired mentioning international law?
If some aliens by any chance could hear your statement they would probably think that Serbians are keepers and defenders of international law! Serbia himself brake those laws so many time in a past, and it's breaking them those days too. From the very begining of existance of Serbia as a state, you manipulated with those laws, taking advantages for having Russia on your side, taking too many territories from your neighbors: from Hungary(Vojvodina), Bulgaria(Dimitrovgrad, Bosilegrad), Albania(Kosovo,Kuršumlija,Toplica), Makedonija(Prohor Pčinjski), all those territories where Serbians were big minority.
Do you think that entire world forgot all this? My family name is still same as a village near Niš from which we were deported back on 1878.
Knowing all this, it's so hard for nonserbians to understand your ''defending'' of international law.Maybe it's problem with us mortals, which are not part of ''Kingdom of Heaven", but as they say:'' when two of them say to you that you are drunk, better find a tree to hold yourself for it''. This tree is not Russia, and it's not international law either!
According to the Serb camp;B
an Ki Moon is wrong, George W Bush is wrong, Ahtisari plan is wrong and so are millions of Albanians and the free world.Could it be possible that the Serbs are wrong on this and that's why their only ally, the one who bought their oil assets at half price are "helping Serbia when in reality only helping themselves.In summary;Yes Serbia you are correct the entire world is for the truth and your only friend is taking you for a ride.Hey, what happened to slavic brotherhood?
Gentlemen:
The high noon is here. Time is up. The fist quarter of 08 is decision time. The sooner the likes of Mr. Samardžić understand it the better. You cant stop the will and the desire of 2 million Kosovars to be set free.
The world is on the Kosovar side.(The majority of the world that embraces democracy.)Serbia is free to join these nations or embrace Putins Russia. Your choice! Either way Serbia cant stop Kosovo from gaining its long sought freedom.
Ok Paggy, lets play game: We Albanians, US, GB, France, Germany and the rest of the democratic world on one side, and you Serbs, Russia, Indonesia,maybe Cyprus (but not China) and some non importand states on the other side.
Happy 2008 and Bozic.
Samardzic said nothing new. The same old story, Entire world is wrong except Serbian politicians and their supporters in minority.
This rhetoric has started in mid 80's. Rhetoric that brought so many tears and paint to all in Yugoslavia including Serbs should one and for always stop.
Some say you cannot stop the will of 2 million Albanians, but can you stop the will of all the Serbs in Republika Srpska from seeking independence and joining the millions of Serbs in Serbia. What about their will?
What about the millions of Serbs in Serbia who are opposed to their territory being stolen? Are you going to take their wishes into account or just the Albanian wishes matter?
(peggy, 2 January 2008 14:08)
For this year 2008 Santa said that only the Albanian wishes will be fulfilled, serbs must wait for next year 2009. Although he admited that they first must hand over the two noctorious fugitives to Hague as a pre-condition to fulfill their wish to join EU.
So Mr. Samardzic, everyone talking about speedy solution and ending the limbo status are ALL wrong? According to you the best solution is letting the problem be a "frozen conflict", No? I think you got your hands on too much "Rakia" in new years eve.
The Serbian government is blaming everyone and every comments when it comes to Kosova's issue.
Should we all replace all the international negotiators, diplomats, judges, head of international institutions with Serbs just to prove that the Serbs are right?
Kosova 's full independence is unavoidable. LET'S BE REALISTIC! Some people might call it illegal. It might be illegal for them but it is legal for people living in Kosova, USA, ITALY, FRANCE, GERMANY, UNITED KINGDOM and others to follow and Arab world.....
The world is on the Kosovar side. The sooner you realize this the better off you are.
Now Indonesia, Cyprus,Greece Romania, Russia support Serbia for their own internal reasons. China has never said that it will veto the resolution. So you see while I can count countries that support Serbia within seconds it could take me half a day to count countries that support Kosovo's independence.
Bosnia and Kosovo are two different issues and I think you have them confused. By the way didnt Serbs cause enough harm to Bosnian moslems. When is enough enough.
Kate, why did Serbia sign the agreement? Was it because NATO was bombing serbia or because Serbians finally got a conscience and stopped the ethnic cleansing and slaughtering.
Serbians have breeched enough human rights and international law to last them through the next century!
And its becoming more and more clear why Russia is supporting Serbia, because serbia is willing to sell 51% of their petroleum industry in NIS, at half price! How desperate!
If you analyze the countries that are supporting Serbia, they are countries who have it in their own interest not to recognize independence because of breakaway minorities in their own country, not for moral and ethical issues regarding Kosovo and its history of oppression by Serbs. And of course Russia who just wants to buy cheap energy!
Countries who are neutral of domestic issues and who analyze the history of the Balkans support Kosovo and its eventual independence :)i.e. the most democratically established countries in the world, France, UK, USA. Can you argue with that?
Re: 'Unbelievable that some posters are still using 1999 in its full and debunked media spun form as a reason for Serbia to have Kosovo prised away.'
You've been using 1639 to claim Kosova as The cradle of your culture and turned it into a slaughterhouse in 1999. You're asking people to forget what happened 9 years ago but keep reminding everyone of some 600 year old myths. Very logical eh?!
Facts show that Serbia is going down on a very slippery slope.
The intervention of NATO in Kosovo was the strongest indication.
Yet there is no sign of contemplating, no remorse whatsoever.
That tells me Milosevic was a personification of a wide majority.
I am not pointing fingers at any individuals peggy, but many people here do it, mostly Albanians, but some Serbs also, and then you have people comparing USA and EU to China and Russia, and who it is better to ally with, or whatever. Why not be friends with everybody? Why does one have to pick a side to be on whilst opposing the other side? It's stupid, that is all I am saying. It should be the goal of every state to have good relations with everyone.
If Ban Ki-Moon feels being
incapable of dealing with
the present impasse in Kosovo
he should take the next
honourable step and resign.
The terms of reference of UN
secretary's jobis to try and
facilitate communications
between disputed parties and
help them to find common
ground.His assertion that
Kosovo is an EU problem is
totally wrong and offending
to Serbia which is a UN
member but not an EU country.
I wish these false statements that the world is on Albanian side would stop. The world is NOT on Albanian side, unless you count the US, UK and France as the world.
Many more countries are opposed to this and the "world" will soon realize that.
Are you Albanian posters seriously discounting all those Chinese and Russians alone as insignificant. Then we have Indonesia, the largest Muslim country and they are opposed to independent Kosovo.
We have India not on board. Many European countries as well. Where do you get this, the world is on Albanian side rubbish?
Time and time again you are reminded that the world does not support independent Kosovo, only a few countries do, but you still keep writing the same rubbish hoping that the more time you say it the better chances of it being true.
Some say you cannot stop the will of 2 million Albanians, but can you stop the will of all the Serbs in Republika Srpska from seeking independence and joining the millions of Serbs in Serbia. What about their will?
What about the millions of Serbs in Serbia who are opposed to their territory being stolen? Are you going to take their wishes into account or just the Albanian wishes matter?
Unbelievable that some posters are still using 1999 in its full and debunked media spun form as a reason for Serbia to have Kosovo prised away.
We are in 2008 and Serbia signed an agreement to end the conflict with Nato. Kosovo is part of Serbia's territory, despite having a majority Albanian population.
As Peggy points out the US, France and UK are not the 'world', neither are they the only upholders of democracy as some seem to be saying. They do not have clean slates when it comes to human rights.
Russia and China are entitled to use their vetoes, a privilege used by the US and the UK frequently in the past.
It is extremely naive for the pro-independence posters to talk of America as being some great unquestionable upholder of justice and freedom. I support Russia's stance in this issue but I would be the first to criticise other elements of their foreign and domestic policy. This is normal - nobody should blindly follow a nation, political party or ideology. That is not free thought.
I don't think this discussion is staying on topic with the article. Samardzic said, "Kosovo is a territory in which human rights and minority rights are not respected and where standards are far from being met."
Until this is dealt with Samardzic is correct in saying that independence will be destabilizing.
Mika: I'm not sure where you're going with your post, but it sounds like you want to secede as much of Serbia as possible.
All those territories you mentioned have a unique history, but Serbs have done their fair share of suffering over the centuries. Any Balkan history book will prove that.
Moreover, there are some areas around the Balkans where Serbs form the majority and yet live as a minority. Rather than bring that up, I think a focus on international law would be more helpful. Otherwise dominos will fall and it won't be pretty.
Lastly, Russia is considered one of the great nations of Europe, and Serbs have much in common with them. I think Serbs have much more to be proud of in their relationship with Russia, than do some other nations in the Balkans who had relationships with Nazi Germany.
"Ok Paggy, lets play game: We Albanians, US, GB, France, Germany and the rest of the democratic world on one side, and you Serbs, Russia, Indonesia,maybe Cyprus (but not China) and some non importand states on the other side.
Happy 2008 and Bozic.
(xheffo, 2 January 2008 14:44) "
Right, so why isn't Kosovo independent yet xheffo? Why hasn't it been independent since 1999? I will tell you why, because the UNSC, the EU and other important organizations are divided on the issue and Kosovo is quite simply unable to function on its own!
The sooner Kosovo Albanians realize that the Western World are not on "their side", nor are they interested in the interests of Albanians only, but of those of all people in the Balkans (they are just taking the stance which they think is a realstic solution), the better it will be for them to accept the constant deadlines that bring about no effect.
This childish idea of Albanians boasting who they have on "their side" and Serbs boasting who they have on "their side" are ridiculous, neither Serbia or Kosovo are significant nations, and you should both be ashamed that you are unable to negotiate like proper European states in order to come to a consensus on your own futures, but the whole world has to stop spinning to solve your problems. One thing is for sure, many Serbs and Albanians have adjust their mindframes to join the rest of Europe in the 21st Century, right it seems rather like the 1900's.
Stevan: "Actually, in a former Yugoslavia, we were used to have good relations with (almost) everyone. Given a chance, Serbia would continue such foreign policy".
Garry - absolutely right. It is not his role to decide that the UN cannot deal with the issue. The legal procedure is through the Security Council, and if he is unable to protect and uphold this institution he should just step down.
Ban's own country South Korea couldn't resolve its sovereignty dispute with North Korea for nearly 60 years now. You can draw your own conclusions from there.
If the UNSC is bypassed in decision on Kosovo, then the organization should be shut down as it became just another voice for backing up USA's policy. The UN will no longer have any other function but to represent the policy of might is right. Serbia should sue this organisation for not imposing the sanctions to the countries involved in illegal bombardment of Serbia as well as NATO countries involved in illegal bombing of Serbia. UN is turning inot United Nonsense!
Like we (Serb camp)said before, a UDI will only open the door for the Albanians in FYR of Macidonia, Montenagro and Greese to do the same as they did in Kosovo. Not to mention others around the world that want indep. So what Ban is saying is that K-A don't get indep soon there will be instability. And who will cause this instability? You guessed it the Albanians. Indep=exudous of non Albanians & creation of a mono-ethnic state, or no indep= Albanians taking up arms and start a new wave of ethnic cleansing of non-Albanians.
Ok Paggy, lets play game: We Albanians, US, GB, France, Germany and the rest of the democratic world on one side, and you Serbs, Russia, Indonesia,maybe Cyprus (but not China) and some non importand states on the other side.
Happy 2008 and Bozic.-
Lets play, the entire western world vs the rest - ok
Maybe 10% of the population and about 30% of the economy.
Till now the rest really doesn't care, the day it does...
I am astonished that so many people have chosen to attack what I wrote.
I must've hit a nerve.
Peter, I am not playing you have such and such on your side and the Serbs have so and so. The Albanian camp is always saying how they have the world on their side. Someone has to tell them it is not so.
Have you ever heard me say that Serbia has so many countries on her side simply because of some sort of boasting?
When you constantly read the Albanian posts which are factually wrong about their support don't you think someone has to stand up and say that they are wrong and explain how?
"…Why not be friends with everybody?…..It should be the goal of every state to have good relations with everyone."
Yes, it would be nice if possible, but what to do with dose who are trying to destroy us? Smile to them and let them have their way? I don't think so.
Actually, in a former Yugoslavia, we were used to have good relations with (almost) everyone. Given a chance, Serbia would continue such foreign policy.
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