Azir, Serbian views are constantly being challenged here. We must be on different forums I guess if you can't see that.
Also, I too agree that we would benefit from less distortion of the truth and a bit more accuracy when telling it how it is, but I am afraid it is the Albanian camp that is constantly trying to distort the truth to fit their philosphy.
Constant crying of how victimized the Albanians are is starting to wear thin. The few helpless souls that live behind barbed wire must be so frightening to the Albanians. Who are the victims here? Who has to get an escort by armored vehicles to school and church?
These are FACTS not distortion of facts. Albania is intact and not invaded. Stop distorting this important fact. Kosovo is not and has never been invaded.
If you don't like the truth that's too bad, but you cannot say it is not the truth.
Saying things like Tadic knows Kosovo is lost and is lying to his people is not the truth my friend. This is only what you perceive to be the truth, but because it is said by an Albanian you did not feel the need to complain about that.
B92; I don't understand Peggy's purpose on being allowed to argue with everyone who is opposed to her logic ,other than her being serbian.Would it not be more productive or benefictiual to all by arguing in an educated manner?Without baseless comments,factual lies and distortions for a change?
Mirsad LDD; don't feel discourged B92 does that with me and I'm sure with other Albanian posters.I quess sensoreing opposing views makes the Serbs, like Peggy, feel they're right because they can go on and on unchallenged. And that's why they assume they are right'but you wouldn't be able to read this.And that is my point.
Basically one can say that Kosovo will exist as a Taiwan in Europe, all UNSC members recognizing it, save for one or two, trade with EU states and embargo from Serbia, much like China does to Taiwan. This is the reality of it, the compromize that both sides have to make: Serbia loses Kosovo, Kosovo does not gain proper independence like other UN members. If both sides accept this reality, it will already be a good start, not ideal, but I suppose it's good enough.
People here can claim that Kosovo is unique from Taiwan, but the fact is that it will be identical to it.
Serbian president Tadić is trying really hard to balance his statements between incoming Kosovo indenpendance and his opposing of that outcome. He is aware that it's almost imposible for Serbia to keep Kosovo within Serbian borders, and I'm not sure what he is trying to achieve except to delay Kosova indenpendance, delay which will bring no good to Serbians either. All Balkan states are on the cross road, and future of new generations is determined from decisions resent generation will take, do we secure them European future or you'll make some aliances with Russians, Chinese and Cubanese? Nobody doubts that geografically Serbia belongs to Europe, but Europian maners are the one that matters my dear president, I had big deal of respect for you, as a Serbian who seems to me knows that Serbia needs Europe not the opposite. Time for romantical politics ended in XIX century, and myths of XIV century will bring no good to anyone. Albanians choosed their way, which is Europian integrations, hoppe we'll meet you in United Europe some day as an equal partner in building new philosophy among our peoples, philosophy of equalty.
@Cleancut
“Tadic, Kostunica, Ilic, Samardzic, all are trying to justify their salaries by doing or saying anything really worth it. Kosova is de facto independent, can't you hear the EU trumpets?”
There is a grain of truth in what you said cleancut. Serbs do not wish to rule over albanians. However, neither do we desire to abandon control of the borders via VS, and the policing of our settlement within the province. The Serbian presence will never ultimately abandon Kosovo, nor its borders. Enjoy your self rule, but Kosovo will never have all of the trappings of a sovereign country.
Therefore you are correct in a way. The albanian controlled areas are de-facto independent, but so are the serbian areas, and the borders will always remain legally a part of Serbia. If we discuss the concept of defacto, then lets be truthful and not deceive the poor albanian population. Every Serb knows this reality, in Kosovo and Serbia proper, and all of our politicians are not naiive but are negotiating from a position of strength, knowing that the law is the law.
It is all well and good to try to assure the Serbs in Kosovo that the UNMIK and Company will protect the Serbs. My concern is at what level? Will they really and truly protect them from violence by interceding to stop any violence. Or, will they, as before, come in after the Albanians have finished their attacks and then come in. If the UNMIK and Company "protect" the Serbs as they did before, what will the Serbian government do? Will they issue a vapid protest, or, will they take action to ensure that the responsible authorities are forced to catch the perpetrators and justice is obtained. I think it is way past time that UNMIK and Company be held responsible for the violence committed against the Serbs in the past and in future.
Tadic, Kostunica, Ilic, Samardzic, all are trying to justify their salaries by doing or saying anything really worth it. Kosova is de facto independent, can't you hear the EU trumpets?
President Tadic should redeine his approach toward EU. The same EU that supported Serbia destruction is not treating Serbia as an equal partner. The same Europe that still does not want to accept the consequences of their unlawful and unjust actions against Serbia, will never accept Serbia as an equal partner within EU. If nothing else, they know very well what they done to Serbia and any further relation to Serbia will be mixed with the feeling of guilt that is base for mistrust. Why would we trust EU. President Tadic should ask himself why Europe will suddenly trust Serbia when it does not trust in this moment and pushing for Serbia dismembering. Isn’t it clear that EU initiative for the express way of Serbia’s integration into EU is in contradiction of current EU policy of mistrust towards Serbia? Please, President Tadic, try to put aside your personal reasons in respect to EU membership and just follow the best possible way for Serbian citizens good.
Mr. Tadic, I would suggest you to forget EU for now. Serbia is already part of Europe and always will be. Serbia has such a geographical position that isolation of Serbia from rest of Europe is not possible, even in the case that Serbia would like to. Serbia should maintain neutrality with good relationship with all members of EU non-EU members, especially developed good relationship with Russia that never harmed Serbian people and always maintained friendly relationship toward Serbia.
President Tadic should redeine his approach toward EU. The same EU that supported Serbia destruction is not treating Serbia as an equal partner. The same Europe that still does not want to accept the consequences of their unlawful and unjust actions against Serbia, will never accept Serbia as an equal partner within EU. If nothing else, they know very well what they done to Serbia and any further relation to Serbia will be mixed with the feeling of guilt that is base for mistrust. Why would we trust EU. President Tadic should ask himself why Europe will suddenly trust Serbia when it does not trust in this moment and pushing for Serbia dismembering. Isn’t it clear that EU initiative for the express way of Serbia’s integration into EU is in contradiction of current EU policy of mistrust towards Serbia? Please, President Tadic, try to put aside your personal reasons in respect to EU membership and just follow the best possible way for Serbian citizens good.
Mr. Tadic, I would suggest you to forget EU for now. Serbia is already part of Europe and always will be. Serbia has such a geographical position that isolation of Serbia from rest of Europe is not possible, even in the case that Serbia would like to. Serbia should maintain neutrality with good relationship with all members of EU non-EU members, especially developed good relationship with Russia that never harmed Serbian people and always maintained friendly relationship toward Serbia.
It is all well and good to try to assure the Serbs in Kosovo that the UNMIK and Company will protect the Serbs. My concern is at what level? Will they really and truly protect them from violence by interceding to stop any violence. Or, will they, as before, come in after the Albanians have finished their attacks and then come in. If the UNMIK and Company "protect" the Serbs as they did before, what will the Serbian government do? Will they issue a vapid protest, or, will they take action to ensure that the responsible authorities are forced to catch the perpetrators and justice is obtained. I think it is way past time that UNMIK and Company be held responsible for the violence committed against the Serbs in the past and in future.
@Cleancut
“Tadic, Kostunica, Ilic, Samardzic, all are trying to justify their salaries by doing or saying anything really worth it. Kosova is de facto independent, can't you hear the EU trumpets?”
There is a grain of truth in what you said cleancut. Serbs do not wish to rule over albanians. However, neither do we desire to abandon control of the borders via VS, and the policing of our settlement within the province. The Serbian presence will never ultimately abandon Kosovo, nor its borders. Enjoy your self rule, but Kosovo will never have all of the trappings of a sovereign country.
Therefore you are correct in a way. The albanian controlled areas are de-facto independent, but so are the serbian areas, and the borders will always remain legally a part of Serbia. If we discuss the concept of defacto, then lets be truthful and not deceive the poor albanian population. Every Serb knows this reality, in Kosovo and Serbia proper, and all of our politicians are not naiive but are negotiating from a position of strength, knowing that the law is the law.
Tadic, Kostunica, Ilic, Samardzic, all are trying to justify their salaries by doing or saying anything really worth it. Kosova is de facto independent, can't you hear the EU trumpets?
Serbian president Tadić is trying really hard to balance his statements between incoming Kosovo indenpendance and his opposing of that outcome. He is aware that it's almost imposible for Serbia to keep Kosovo within Serbian borders, and I'm not sure what he is trying to achieve except to delay Kosova indenpendance, delay which will bring no good to Serbians either. All Balkan states are on the cross road, and future of new generations is determined from decisions resent generation will take, do we secure them European future or you'll make some aliances with Russians, Chinese and Cubanese? Nobody doubts that geografically Serbia belongs to Europe, but Europian maners are the one that matters my dear president, I had big deal of respect for you, as a Serbian who seems to me knows that Serbia needs Europe not the opposite. Time for romantical politics ended in XIX century, and myths of XIV century will bring no good to anyone. Albanians choosed their way, which is Europian integrations, hoppe we'll meet you in United Europe some day as an equal partner in building new philosophy among our peoples, philosophy of equalty.
Basically one can say that Kosovo will exist as a Taiwan in Europe, all UNSC members recognizing it, save for one or two, trade with EU states and embargo from Serbia, much like China does to Taiwan. This is the reality of it, the compromize that both sides have to make: Serbia loses Kosovo, Kosovo does not gain proper independence like other UN members. If both sides accept this reality, it will already be a good start, not ideal, but I suppose it's good enough.
People here can claim that Kosovo is unique from Taiwan, but the fact is that it will be identical to it.
Azir, Serbian views are constantly being challenged here. We must be on different forums I guess if you can't see that.
Also, I too agree that we would benefit from less distortion of the truth and a bit more accuracy when telling it how it is, but I am afraid it is the Albanian camp that is constantly trying to distort the truth to fit their philosphy.
Constant crying of how victimized the Albanians are is starting to wear thin. The few helpless souls that live behind barbed wire must be so frightening to the Albanians. Who are the victims here? Who has to get an escort by armored vehicles to school and church?
These are FACTS not distortion of facts. Albania is intact and not invaded. Stop distorting this important fact. Kosovo is not and has never been invaded.
If you don't like the truth that's too bad, but you cannot say it is not the truth.
Saying things like Tadic knows Kosovo is lost and is lying to his people is not the truth my friend. This is only what you perceive to be the truth, but because it is said by an Albanian you did not feel the need to complain about that.
Mirsad LDD; don't feel discourged B92 does that with me and I'm sure with other Albanian posters.I quess sensoreing opposing views makes the Serbs, like Peggy, feel they're right because they can go on and on unchallenged. And that's why they assume they are right'but you wouldn't be able to read this.And that is my point.
B92; I don't understand Peggy's purpose on being allowed to argue with everyone who is opposed to her logic ,other than her being serbian.Would it not be more productive or benefictiual to all by arguing in an educated manner?Without baseless comments,factual lies and distortions for a change?
Tadic, Kostunica, Ilic, Samardzic, all are trying to justify their salaries by doing or saying anything really worth it. Kosova is de facto independent, can't you hear the EU trumpets?
President Tadic should redeine his approach toward EU. The same EU that supported Serbia destruction is not treating Serbia as an equal partner. The same Europe that still does not want to accept the consequences of their unlawful and unjust actions against Serbia, will never accept Serbia as an equal partner within EU. If nothing else, they know very well what they done to Serbia and any further relation to Serbia will be mixed with the feeling of guilt that is base for mistrust. Why would we trust EU. President Tadic should ask himself why Europe will suddenly trust Serbia when it does not trust in this moment and pushing for Serbia dismembering. Isn’t it clear that EU initiative for the express way of Serbia’s integration into EU is in contradiction of current EU policy of mistrust towards Serbia? Please, President Tadic, try to put aside your personal reasons in respect to EU membership and just follow the best possible way for Serbian citizens good.
Mr. Tadic, I would suggest you to forget EU for now. Serbia is already part of Europe and always will be. Serbia has such a geographical position that isolation of Serbia from rest of Europe is not possible, even in the case that Serbia would like to. Serbia should maintain neutrality with good relationship with all members of EU non-EU members, especially developed good relationship with Russia that never harmed Serbian people and always maintained friendly relationship toward Serbia.
Basically one can say that Kosovo will exist as a Taiwan in Europe, all UNSC members recognizing it, save for one or two, trade with EU states and embargo from Serbia, much like China does to Taiwan. This is the reality of it, the compromize that both sides have to make: Serbia loses Kosovo, Kosovo does not gain proper independence like other UN members. If both sides accept this reality, it will already be a good start, not ideal, but I suppose it's good enough.
People here can claim that Kosovo is unique from Taiwan, but the fact is that it will be identical to it.
Azir, Serbian views are constantly being challenged here. We must be on different forums I guess if you can't see that.
Also, I too agree that we would benefit from less distortion of the truth and a bit more accuracy when telling it how it is, but I am afraid it is the Albanian camp that is constantly trying to distort the truth to fit their philosphy.
Constant crying of how victimized the Albanians are is starting to wear thin. The few helpless souls that live behind barbed wire must be so frightening to the Albanians. Who are the victims here? Who has to get an escort by armored vehicles to school and church?
These are FACTS not distortion of facts. Albania is intact and not invaded. Stop distorting this important fact. Kosovo is not and has never been invaded.
If you don't like the truth that's too bad, but you cannot say it is not the truth.
Saying things like Tadic knows Kosovo is lost and is lying to his people is not the truth my friend. This is only what you perceive to be the truth, but because it is said by an Albanian you did not feel the need to complain about that.
It is all well and good to try to assure the Serbs in Kosovo that the UNMIK and Company will protect the Serbs. My concern is at what level? Will they really and truly protect them from violence by interceding to stop any violence. Or, will they, as before, come in after the Albanians have finished their attacks and then come in. If the UNMIK and Company "protect" the Serbs as they did before, what will the Serbian government do? Will they issue a vapid protest, or, will they take action to ensure that the responsible authorities are forced to catch the perpetrators and justice is obtained. I think it is way past time that UNMIK and Company be held responsible for the violence committed against the Serbs in the past and in future.
@Cleancut
“Tadic, Kostunica, Ilic, Samardzic, all are trying to justify their salaries by doing or saying anything really worth it. Kosova is de facto independent, can't you hear the EU trumpets?”
There is a grain of truth in what you said cleancut. Serbs do not wish to rule over albanians. However, neither do we desire to abandon control of the borders via VS, and the policing of our settlement within the province. The Serbian presence will never ultimately abandon Kosovo, nor its borders. Enjoy your self rule, but Kosovo will never have all of the trappings of a sovereign country.
Therefore you are correct in a way. The albanian controlled areas are de-facto independent, but so are the serbian areas, and the borders will always remain legally a part of Serbia. If we discuss the concept of defacto, then lets be truthful and not deceive the poor albanian population. Every Serb knows this reality, in Kosovo and Serbia proper, and all of our politicians are not naiive but are negotiating from a position of strength, knowing that the law is the law.
Serbian president Tadić is trying really hard to balance his statements between incoming Kosovo indenpendance and his opposing of that outcome. He is aware that it's almost imposible for Serbia to keep Kosovo within Serbian borders, and I'm not sure what he is trying to achieve except to delay Kosova indenpendance, delay which will bring no good to Serbians either. All Balkan states are on the cross road, and future of new generations is determined from decisions resent generation will take, do we secure them European future or you'll make some aliances with Russians, Chinese and Cubanese? Nobody doubts that geografically Serbia belongs to Europe, but Europian maners are the one that matters my dear president, I had big deal of respect for you, as a Serbian who seems to me knows that Serbia needs Europe not the opposite. Time for romantical politics ended in XIX century, and myths of XIV century will bring no good to anyone. Albanians choosed their way, which is Europian integrations, hoppe we'll meet you in United Europe some day as an equal partner in building new philosophy among our peoples, philosophy of equalty.
Mirsad LDD; don't feel discourged B92 does that with me and I'm sure with other Albanian posters.I quess sensoreing opposing views makes the Serbs, like Peggy, feel they're right because they can go on and on unchallenged. And that's why they assume they are right'but you wouldn't be able to read this.And that is my point.
B92; I don't understand Peggy's purpose on being allowed to argue with everyone who is opposed to her logic ,other than her being serbian.Would it not be more productive or benefictiual to all by arguing in an educated manner?Without baseless comments,factual lies and distortions for a change?
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