Jeremić draws Balkans, Middle East parallels

There are other striking similarities not mentioned in the article:

1. The use of term Palestinian/Kosovar for deceptive purposes

The term "Palestinian" in current political usage is attributed only to Arabs who originally lived in the British Mandate of Palestine.
It is designed to imply that others who live in Palestine, namely Jews are not indigenous population.

When translation into English is cross checked with an Arabic original, it becomes evident. Palestinians call themselves Arabs in Arabic.

Kosovo Albanians have picked this political trick and their mentors refer to them as "Kosovars", non-existing term in English language. The terms originally came from Albanian and denote anyone living in Kosovo (Kosovan, or Kosovoan). Now, it is used to obfuscate the fact that Kosovo Albanians are an ethnic minority with domicile country in neighboring Albanian, not an indigenous people of Kosovo.

Again, cross cheching English translation with Albanian original reveals the propaganda ploy.

2. Extremists stage atrocities, sacrificing their own.

In both cases, mainstream media is ready to broadcast fabrications, bypassing the mandatory rules of journalistic ethics.

A sad case of convergence of Al Taqqiyah contents and state of the art dissemination.


Even more sadly, in both cases, certain individuals of Jewish extraction tar both Israel and Serbia, (e.g. frequent use of the term "Israeli Nazis" and "Serb Nazis" in their parlance) and spread propaganda lies and when confronted, try to use their Jewish background as a proof of being impartial.

3. Influx of extremists who falsely described themselves as "Palestinians" or "Kosovars". Yaser Arafat was an Egyptian, not Palestine. Many "kosovar" leaders were born in Albania, not Kosovo.

The similarities do not stop here, they are neither incidental or accidental, but inevitable.

jeremic is right, why should different standards apply to different regions when the factors are the same? Terrorists want to steal a part of a recognized country

But I really hope the serbian government are learning something from the Israeli, it doesn't matter what you do or give them, the terrorists are never satisified. Build a Gaza wall around albanian dominated parts of Kosovo and lets have the terror to stop!

Gaza and Dardania could found a nice state together...

"Again, cross cheching English translation with Albanian original reveals the propaganda ploy. "

Bob Petrovich, can you speak Albanian? If no, how can you cross check English translation with the Albanian original. If yes, please bring evidence that can be cross checked.



"Many "kosovar" leaders were born in Albania, not Kosovo."

Name one. Name one Kosovar leader that was born in Albania, not Kosova.

It's not the same. Israel has already agreed to an Indendent Palastinian State, while Serbia has said it will never agree to an Independent Kosovo. So there you have it.

This minister is wrong in so many levels that it is not worth even considering judging his visit or his ideas. Just another waste of Serbian money for a lost cause.

BalkanUpdate,

Serbia does "agree" to an Albanian state. . .it has formal relations with the Republic of Albania.

It cannot, however, agree to another Albanian state, particularly on its on soil.

Johnny, You speak of 50 years of bloodshed in Kosovo if you don't get what you want as you obviously know that you are staying stubborn for that long.

Is this what you are threatening the Serbs with? Who is going to shed whose blood?

Simply put, stop making threats and accept that you will never steal Serbian land. Threatening blood shed has only revealed your true face.

Bob..you're comment is a joke in its' entire self.

If it it's than prove the following...

1. Kosovar leaders who were born in Albania (Name me 5).

2. When the term Kosovar was coined as a ploy to confuse the masses (SPECIFIC TIME).


"The terms originally came from Albanian and denote anyone living in Kosovo (Kosovan, or Kosovoan). "

You are right..and this has been for at least a hundred years..not something us Kosovars put out there to confuse anyone. But you can draw parallels how you Serbs never Kosova one SINGLE name. You have Kosmet, Kosovo, Kocobo, KiM, Kosovo and Metohija, etc. The only people out here spewing propaganda is YOU!

I will await for 5 Kosovar Leaders who were born in Albania. And since Leader means someone in charge...these people have to be in charge (parlament, mayors, etc). Also some proof that says as of (example) 22th Dec 2002 the Kosovars did this to that.

PS
Kosovar people call themselves Kosovars..and to us in English it is MUCH better to right KOSOVAR than K/Something or anything...and it looks much better than Kosovan.

support? you wish.

Jeremic there's something in your parallel which you consciously avoid. The EU and US are for an independent Palestinian state.

Also if we discuss about Palestine, the talks there have been failing for decades. Palestine is not independent yet, but Israelis and Palestinians have been killing each other for almost 50 years now. I cannot help but wonder if you and your masters want to turn "your heartland", Kosova/o, into a bloodbath, into another Palestine by going through decades of failed talks. Obviously the EU and US do not want that, since by looking at Palestine they realize that decades of failed talks and failed roadmaps lead to violence, and blood and murder. Then why on earth having the example of Palestine would any reasonable person would intentionally do the impossible to turn Kosova/o into a new Palestine by engaging in fruitless talks for years and decades.

Bob Petrovich: "In English service, VOA uses term "Kosovar" for Kosovo Albanians, while in Albanian service VOA uses the Shqiptar."

OK, you brought VOA as an example and I took the time to find a comparable text, so let's compare the same text of VOA in English and in Albanian:

Here's the English text:
http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-12-22-voa2.cfm

and here's the Albanian one:
http://www.voanews.com/albanian/2007-12-22-voa2.cfm

As you see the term Kosovar is used in both, and that is consistent throughout both texts.
Second, you have yet to provide the name of a Kosovar leader that was born in Albania.

It cannot, however, agree to another Albanian state, particularly on its on soil.
(My too sense. . ., 28 December 2007 01:09)

another albanian state? i have no problem w/slavic people but we all know that they are not native to the balkans. on the other hand, the albanians are via the illyrians so if we can tolerate slovenia, croatia, serbia, montenegro and macedonia...how can you suggest that another albanian nation cannot coexist when your nations are on another's soil? keep in mind that albanians didn't cross the border into montenegro, serbia, macedonia or greece but rather the border crossed over us! you'd do better to to use more friendly jargon so as to avoid conflict w/your neighbors or are you prohibited to do so for a people you're so used to mistreating?

Adrian, one does not have to be fluent speaker of the language to be able to compare the same text in two languages, espaecially if the text in question is the news report.

Albanian is not
indecipherable. Take for example Voice of America, propaganda arm of U.S. Government. VOA provides the news in English and many other languages, including Albanian.

In English service, VOA uses term "Kosovar" for Kosovo Albanians, while in Albanian service VOA uses the Shqiptar.
And this name is used for BOTH Kosovo Albanians and Albanian Albanians.

So, to cut the chase. When the news is directed towards Albanians (in Albania, Kosovo and overseas) VOA imply they are one and the same people. But, when the news is directed towards the outside, "kosovars" are invented to hide this fact.

The archive on http://www.voanews.com is the proof.



FOr years it was believed that Yasser Arafat was born in Jerusalem. Until Romanian general Ion Pacepa fled to the west and revealed that Arafat was born in Egypt. He knew because he trained him.

Likewise, Frank Wiesner Sr. was in charge of CIA activities in Albania and Kosovo since 1948. This is untold story, it has to come from some CIA's "General Pacepa" deflector, not me.

Also, don't forget that Kosovo birth records are on a safe place and can not be tampered with.

This prompted me to another similarity. Both Palestinian and Kosovo Albanian extremists destroy and desecrate ancient shrines while at the same time falsify history and claim they belong to them (!).

bob,
i'm not a muslim but can you tell me how many albanian mosques & catholic churches were burned to the ground during the war? we can talk about desecrating places of worship in kosove, croatia & bosnia. i'm pretty certain most of us know who did the majorty of the burning even though some chose not to admit it.

Jeremic is fooling himself if he thinks the Kosovar people will return to negoations. Serbia will never offer independence to Kosovo, so why would they take point in more pointless negoations? Does he hope with time the West will lose interest and then they'll be able to impose autonomy on Kosovo, by the point of the rifle.

bob petrovic, you are right about everything, except for mentioning jews that tar their own, but forgeting serbs. another striking parallel. in israel they call those 'self-hating jews', and we can use 'self-hating serbs' to describe some with equal justification.

"Again, cross cheching English translation with Albanian original reveals the propaganda ploy. "

Bob Petrovich, can you speak Albanian? If no, how can you cross check English translation with the Albanian original. If yes, please bring evidence that can be cross checked.



"Many "kosovar" leaders were born in Albania, not Kosovo."

Name one. Name one Kosovar leader that was born in Albania, not Kosova.

It's not the same. Israel has already agreed to an Indendent Palastinian State, while Serbia has said it will never agree to an Independent Kosovo. So there you have it.

support? you wish.

Jeremic there's something in your parallel which you consciously avoid. The EU and US are for an independent Palestinian state.

Also if we discuss about Palestine, the talks there have been failing for decades. Palestine is not independent yet, but Israelis and Palestinians have been killing each other for almost 50 years now. I cannot help but wonder if you and your masters want to turn "your heartland", Kosova/o, into a bloodbath, into another Palestine by going through decades of failed talks. Obviously the EU and US do not want that, since by looking at Palestine they realize that decades of failed talks and failed roadmaps lead to violence, and blood and murder. Then why on earth having the example of Palestine would any reasonable person would intentionally do the impossible to turn Kosova/o into a new Palestine by engaging in fruitless talks for years and decades.

There are other striking similarities not mentioned in the article:

1. The use of term Palestinian/Kosovar for deceptive purposes

The term "Palestinian" in current political usage is attributed only to Arabs who originally lived in the British Mandate of Palestine.
It is designed to imply that others who live in Palestine, namely Jews are not indigenous population.

When translation into English is cross checked with an Arabic original, it becomes evident. Palestinians call themselves Arabs in Arabic.

Kosovo Albanians have picked this political trick and their mentors refer to them as "Kosovars", non-existing term in English language. The terms originally came from Albanian and denote anyone living in Kosovo (Kosovan, or Kosovoan). Now, it is used to obfuscate the fact that Kosovo Albanians are an ethnic minority with domicile country in neighboring Albanian, not an indigenous people of Kosovo.

Again, cross cheching English translation with Albanian original reveals the propaganda ploy.

2. Extremists stage atrocities, sacrificing their own.

In both cases, mainstream media is ready to broadcast fabrications, bypassing the mandatory rules of journalistic ethics.

A sad case of convergence of Al Taqqiyah contents and state of the art dissemination.


Even more sadly, in both cases, certain individuals of Jewish extraction tar both Israel and Serbia, (e.g. frequent use of the term "Israeli Nazis" and "Serb Nazis" in their parlance) and spread propaganda lies and when confronted, try to use their Jewish background as a proof of being impartial.

3. Influx of extremists who falsely described themselves as "Palestinians" or "Kosovars". Yaser Arafat was an Egyptian, not Palestine. Many "kosovar" leaders were born in Albania, not Kosovo.

The similarities do not stop here, they are neither incidental or accidental, but inevitable.

Bob..you're comment is a joke in its' entire self.

If it it's than prove the following...

1. Kosovar leaders who were born in Albania (Name me 5).

2. When the term Kosovar was coined as a ploy to confuse the masses (SPECIFIC TIME).


"The terms originally came from Albanian and denote anyone living in Kosovo (Kosovan, or Kosovoan). "

You are right..and this has been for at least a hundred years..not something us Kosovars put out there to confuse anyone. But you can draw parallels how you Serbs never Kosova one SINGLE name. You have Kosmet, Kosovo, Kocobo, KiM, Kosovo and Metohija, etc. The only people out here spewing propaganda is YOU!

I will await for 5 Kosovar Leaders who were born in Albania. And since Leader means someone in charge...these people have to be in charge (parlament, mayors, etc). Also some proof that says as of (example) 22th Dec 2002 the Kosovars did this to that.

PS
Kosovar people call themselves Kosovars..and to us in English it is MUCH better to right KOSOVAR than K/Something or anything...and it looks much better than Kosovan.

This minister is wrong in so many levels that it is not worth even considering judging his visit or his ideas. Just another waste of Serbian money for a lost cause.

Jeremic is fooling himself if he thinks the Kosovar people will return to negoations. Serbia will never offer independence to Kosovo, so why would they take point in more pointless negoations? Does he hope with time the West will lose interest and then they'll be able to impose autonomy on Kosovo, by the point of the rifle.

jeremic is right, why should different standards apply to different regions when the factors are the same? Terrorists want to steal a part of a recognized country

But I really hope the serbian government are learning something from the Israeli, it doesn't matter what you do or give them, the terrorists are never satisified. Build a Gaza wall around albanian dominated parts of Kosovo and lets have the terror to stop!

Gaza and Dardania could found a nice state together...

Johnny, You speak of 50 years of bloodshed in Kosovo if you don't get what you want as you obviously know that you are staying stubborn for that long.

Is this what you are threatening the Serbs with? Who is going to shed whose blood?

Simply put, stop making threats and accept that you will never steal Serbian land. Threatening blood shed has only revealed your true face.

BalkanUpdate,

Serbia does "agree" to an Albanian state. . .it has formal relations with the Republic of Albania.

It cannot, however, agree to another Albanian state, particularly on its on soil.

It cannot, however, agree to another Albanian state, particularly on its on soil.
(My too sense. . ., 28 December 2007 01:09)

another albanian state? i have no problem w/slavic people but we all know that they are not native to the balkans. on the other hand, the albanians are via the illyrians so if we can tolerate slovenia, croatia, serbia, montenegro and macedonia...how can you suggest that another albanian nation cannot coexist when your nations are on another's soil? keep in mind that albanians didn't cross the border into montenegro, serbia, macedonia or greece but rather the border crossed over us! you'd do better to to use more friendly jargon so as to avoid conflict w/your neighbors or are you prohibited to do so for a people you're so used to mistreating?

Adrian, one does not have to be fluent speaker of the language to be able to compare the same text in two languages, espaecially if the text in question is the news report.

Albanian is not
indecipherable. Take for example Voice of America, propaganda arm of U.S. Government. VOA provides the news in English and many other languages, including Albanian.

In English service, VOA uses term "Kosovar" for Kosovo Albanians, while in Albanian service VOA uses the Shqiptar.
And this name is used for BOTH Kosovo Albanians and Albanian Albanians.

So, to cut the chase. When the news is directed towards Albanians (in Albania, Kosovo and overseas) VOA imply they are one and the same people. But, when the news is directed towards the outside, "kosovars" are invented to hide this fact.

The archive on http://www.voanews.com is the proof.



FOr years it was believed that Yasser Arafat was born in Jerusalem. Until Romanian general Ion Pacepa fled to the west and revealed that Arafat was born in Egypt. He knew because he trained him.

Likewise, Frank Wiesner Sr. was in charge of CIA activities in Albania and Kosovo since 1948. This is untold story, it has to come from some CIA's "General Pacepa" deflector, not me.

Also, don't forget that Kosovo birth records are on a safe place and can not be tampered with.

This prompted me to another similarity. Both Palestinian and Kosovo Albanian extremists destroy and desecrate ancient shrines while at the same time falsify history and claim they belong to them (!).

bob,
i'm not a muslim but can you tell me how many albanian mosques & catholic churches were burned to the ground during the war? we can talk about desecrating places of worship in kosove, croatia & bosnia. i'm pretty certain most of us know who did the majorty of the burning even though some chose not to admit it.

bob petrovic, you are right about everything, except for mentioning jews that tar their own, but forgeting serbs. another striking parallel. in israel they call those 'self-hating jews', and we can use 'self-hating serbs' to describe some with equal justification.

Bob Petrovich: "In English service, VOA uses term "Kosovar" for Kosovo Albanians, while in Albanian service VOA uses the Shqiptar."

OK, you brought VOA as an example and I took the time to find a comparable text, so let's compare the same text of VOA in English and in Albanian:

Here's the English text:
http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-12-22-voa2.cfm

and here's the Albanian one:
http://www.voanews.com/albanian/2007-12-22-voa2.cfm

As you see the term Kosovar is used in both, and that is consistent throughout both texts.
Second, you have yet to provide the name of a Kosovar leader that was born in Albania.