Ceku: Partition raises issue of greater Albania

I don't see why Ceku is concerned about partition. The Albanians are already trying to partition Kosovo out of Serbia and add it to greater Albania. They tried in Macedonia and Presevo a few years ago also. Suddenly when the shoe is on the other foot, Ceku is worried about precedents.

As far as North Mitrovica goes, it was never really a part of Kosovo anyways. Most of that area is geographically Raska and was only attached with Kosovo in 1959. Thus, it has no historical connection to Kosovo.

Whether Kosovo is partitioned or not Albanians will cause unrest in every country where they are a sizable minority.

This rubbish about partitioning Kosovo will cause a problem everywhere else is just that, rubbish.
They need a reason to demand the whole of Kosovo.

If they ever get it they will still go after the other countries as well.

I hear Macedonia is willing to vote yes to independence. Well soon Serbia will return the favour.

"An attempt to divide Kosovo could create "problems" with borders of four regional states, Agim Ceku says.
Kosovo's outgoing prime minister, who recently hinted at forming his own party, said Wednesday Kosovo's partition "might create problems with borders in four Albanian-populated states and create unrest throughout the region".

In my opinion, these problems can be quickly nipped in the bud by the West (providing it wants to do so in the first place) by making Pristina's independence, UN entry, EU entry, economic aid etc firmly conditional on it renouncing any attempt to merge with Tirana or to support Albanian separatists elsewhere in the Balkans.



"Albanians live in four countries other than Albania," Ceku told the DPA news agency in an interview."

Serbs live in many countries in the region too besides Serbia. So where is the difference from Albanians apart from their ethnicity?


"If Kosovo is partitioned along ethnic lines, those would want to talk about uniting with Albania."

But isn't Kosovo independence itself tantamount to partitioning Serbia along ethnic lines too? And wouldn't it also raise questions about Srpska uniting with Serbia?

Isaac,

before you refer to some illyrian myths...educate yourself! it is an invention of the albanian romaticism! nothing more... you are not the descendants of the illyrians, no matter how hard you wish it to be that way...

so forget about those "two milleniums".

and funcakes,

the Albanians in Kosovo are not albanian citizens, you shouldn´t dream around..

they are serbian citizens.

and all serbian citizens live within the borders of Serbia.

it´s that simple.


no single albanian citizen lives in Macedonia,Greece or Serbia.

you have been mislead by your koha papers..or you simply do not know what the term "citizen" means!

Most of that area is geographically Raska and was only attached with Kosovo in 1959. Thus, it has no historical connection to Kosovo.
(Nicholas Klinsman, 26 December 2007 23:39)


Neither does Presevo Valley with Serbia. You can say whatever you want about Kosovo Albanians coming from Albania. But you can´t say a thing about Presevo Albanians. They have been there for more than 2 mileniums, and are not Serbians.

North of Kosovo separates, so does south Serbia. Pick the best deal Mr. Klinsman!

I don't think so Isaac, exchange Serbian land for Serbian land? Nope, N-Kosovo is already gone for you. Presevo ain't going no where. Our new bases there will make sure of that.

Whatever the serbians say & think, they can not change nor stop what will hapen in a near future, the indipendent Kosova. Whatever they & their biger brothers in russia say & think they can never stop the natural right of the Albanian nation to live in one state.

The best deal will be that Kosovo becomes a pure ethnic Albanian EU run state. N. Kosovo joins with Serbia, and S. Serbia, well, stays Serbia. As far as Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro is concerned, let them deal with their minority problems. I thought the Albanians wanted to be part of the EU? There will be no borders, remember, so how can you have a greater Albania? I don't understand a lot of stuff here.

He also forgot the ethnic Albanian minority in greece called Arvanites who are orthodox, but I agree with him the Albanian nation will one day unite.

Who gives albanians the right to steal other countries' land - just because they are a minority in one part of that country? What kind of logic is this?

Beside the another treat of violence, at least he is honestly admitting 'the idea behind the idea':Greater Albania.
What a novelty Mr Ceku?!?!!

Last time they tried to fight for big albania in Mantenegro did not fair good,neither did it in Macedonia.Cheap talk to keep himself in power that`s what this is.I`m sure Hague court would have some questions about this too.

partition is the only logical solution. Serbs retain the North and the Albanian side takes the South. I think that if Serbia were to lose part of Kosova then its irelevant if it joins with albania or not.
As for Ceku speaking about Albanians in Macedonia and Montenegro, whell if he wants to have a go he can try. As for Presevo Serbia is more than capable of controlling this part.
Its amazing how the Albanian side is constantly making threats to its neighbours yet has to cry to NATO for help when it backfires.

Who gives albanians the right to steal other countries' land - just because they are a minority in one part of that country? What kind of logic is this?
(Ratko, 27 December 2007 14:54)

Who gives serbs the right to occupy in 1912 the land of 90% albanians, plant it with a bunch of colons? And after the albanians react, cry: This is a violation of international law? Who gives serbs the right to think that everywhere where is found a cyrillic character it is a serbian land? Should Italians claim London? Or Greeks the Mareille? What kind of logic is this?

Jovan,

Enough with your nationalistic lessons. You are in no position to lecture anyone. KosovA Albanians have never been citizens of Serbia. They were citizens of Yugoslavia. With the disappearance of that entity, the Albanians owe no allegiance to Serbia whatsoever.

If Kosovo becomes independent, they wouldn't need to join with Albania formally. They can just leave the border open so they can come and go at will.

All this rubbish about Kosovo not being allowed to join with Albanian is just that. Theory is one thing but practice is another.

Whether Kosovo gets partitioned or independent will not matter. Albanians will cause the same chaos in Montenegro, Macedonia and perhaps Greece. Greece might be a little harder to go against.
Either Kosovo remains part of Serbia and the border with Albania is fully controlled or if partitioned, give Republika Srpska the option of joining Serbia along with Northen Kosovo.

This scare tactic about partitioning Kosovo would incite other Albanians to go after other countries as well is not working. Albanians will do it whatever happens.

jovan,
please tell me who I descend from because now I'm having identity problems !!!!!

I know you come from Russia, but where do I come from?

Jovan, misleading propaganda does not make anything the truth. You might be naive enough to believe what the Serb war machine had to say, but this is not the past century anymore..

Peter - Why should Albanians give up on wanting to be under one nation?

How about France being split up in 4 other neighboring countries, and only half of the French population remaining under French rule? Would the French accept that? Nope. Then why should the Albanians accept that? Peace doesn't come from double standards, Europe can only delay the inevitable...but never be able to stop it.

In the same story on other news services, Ceku admits to de fact partition already in place and how Pristina doesn’t have control over the north. How interesting that Kosovars point out that they are de fact independent, but don’t like to the idea of de facto partition. What a double standard! Other news sites also talk about how the EU is willing to accept this de facto partition as a part of the Kosovo solution. Don’t expect anyone, NATO, EU, or KPS to change this. It’s pretty much a done deal.

Isaac, there won’t be any land exchanges and NATO won’t be duped into building your Greater Albania. Russia is also asserting itself again so your idea is off the table. What would happen if there was another attack by the KLA in Serbia for the Presevo Valley? I think Serbia would be able to handle it without the brutality seen in Kosovo by both sides. The US is also busy fighting terrorism while NATO sits on its behind so don’t expect much action in the Balkans anymore.

Ludimuja, I disagree with any idea of a pure Albanian Kosovo state. The UN plan, US, and EU all call for a multi-ethnic Kosovo and what you are proposing is ethnic cleansing. It goes to show that this cycle never stops. How do you expect to all live together in the EU if you can’t live together now? The EU won’t take you in when you can’t respect minority rights and get rid of them like they are trash.

There will never be a Greater Albania. The International Community would never allow such a thing, there is far too much risk involved. If anything could cause another Balkan War, this would be it. In any case, I am sure most Albanians couldn't care less about a Greater Albania, they just want to live a normal life, wherever they are, and not feel like second class citizens. As far as extremist groups like ANA are concerned, one can just look at how Macedonia dealt with them: special forces went in, disarmed or killed the terrorists, problem solved. Greek and Montenegrin special forces could do the same if some extremist Albanian separatists try the same.

Unfortunately for Serbia, they did not deal with KLA terrorists exclusively, they came down hard on the civilian populace who had nothing to do with it. That was their mistake, the other states that risk separatism should learn from Serbia's mistakes and follow Macedonia's example, I think.

These ideas of Greater Serbia, Greater Albania and Greater Croatia, or whatever are incompatible with Europe.

comic we get the picture, you a thaci fan. tony soprano also looks quite appealing eh :) anyway give my regards to drenica. gjarperi only a local boy with local influence. shots called in pristina by non-albanians, non-serbs.

The partition of Serbia's sovereign territory is a precedent for any number of nightmare scenarios throughout the Balkans (and beyond).
It's a Pandora's box and we must wait and see whether the US are arrogant enough to open it !

Jovan,

Whether Presevo Valley Albanians are Illyrians or not, it simply doesn´t matter. They are not Serbs or Russians and they have been there long before Serbs. The matter is that they don´t want to be in Serbia just like Mitrovica Serbs ´who do not want to be in Kosovo. For one thing, Serbia will never be able to control north of Kosovo after the independence. NATO is determined to crush trouble makers Albanians or Serbs.

You guys are still listening Gen Ceku, I told you all you need to listen to Mr Thaci. Don't listen to these who have duped Kosovo the last few years. Thaci is the Future. Wait and See, did Mr Thaci say any thing about this NOPE so why worry he controls Kosovo. Albanians in Albania doesnt want to unite with Kosovo so they can get there EU and NATO funds. Macedonia will have conflict with this and so will montenegro so yea right Mr Ceku

I don't see the Albanians giving up on their Greater Albania idea, not as long as there are other countries in the world that are whole and don't have half their citizens outside their borders. Why should others be priviledged?

Let's just say that Italy for example had half their people living in neighboring countries by some jacked up political solution of the past, can you even possibly comprehend Italians being all "yeah, sure, we don't want a Greater Italy".

Hehe, I tell you what, there would be massive turmoil that would rip the entire EU apart, that's what!

There is a certain tendency with wounds to want to close up and heal. You'd have to keep cutting it in order for it to remain divided, but the owner won't let you do it for too long.

Funcakes

Kosovo will be independent and that means almost seven million of eight million ethnic Albanians in Europe will be in their own countries. As for the rest, well, there are minorities living in every European country, including the EU. Only the Basques don't have their own country and have the right to ask for one.

You're mad if you think anyone would support the Albanians in getting all their lands back! Europeans are forward thinking Funcakes, looking back at historical land and how borders were drawn over the course of time like you and other Albanian nationalists do is not forward thinking, all it does is threaten conflict. In any case Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro will not give the lands that were once Albanian back to Albania, same as Russia will not give back Finland and Germany its lands, Poland and France will not give Germany back its lands, Lithuania, Ukraine and Belarus will not give Poland back its lands, Romania, Slovakia and Serbia will not give their lands back to Hungary etc., you know why? Because it is backwards thinking and causes bad blood amongst the tribes. Why can't Albanians look to peace for a change by letting the past go?

He also forgot the ethnic Albanian minority in greece called Arvanites who are orthodox, but I agree with him the Albanian nation will one day unite.

Whatever the serbians say & think, they can not change nor stop what will hapen in a near future, the indipendent Kosova. Whatever they & their biger brothers in russia say & think they can never stop the natural right of the Albanian nation to live in one state.

Most of that area is geographically Raska and was only attached with Kosovo in 1959. Thus, it has no historical connection to Kosovo.
(Nicholas Klinsman, 26 December 2007 23:39)


Neither does Presevo Valley with Serbia. You can say whatever you want about Kosovo Albanians coming from Albania. But you can´t say a thing about Presevo Albanians. They have been there for more than 2 mileniums, and are not Serbians.

North of Kosovo separates, so does south Serbia. Pick the best deal Mr. Klinsman!

I don't see the Albanians giving up on their Greater Albania idea, not as long as there are other countries in the world that are whole and don't have half their citizens outside their borders. Why should others be priviledged?

Let's just say that Italy for example had half their people living in neighboring countries by some jacked up political solution of the past, can you even possibly comprehend Italians being all "yeah, sure, we don't want a Greater Italy".

Hehe, I tell you what, there would be massive turmoil that would rip the entire EU apart, that's what!

There is a certain tendency with wounds to want to close up and heal. You'd have to keep cutting it in order for it to remain divided, but the owner won't let you do it for too long.

Who gives albanians the right to steal other countries' land - just because they are a minority in one part of that country? What kind of logic is this?

Isaac,

before you refer to some illyrian myths...educate yourself! it is an invention of the albanian romaticism! nothing more... you are not the descendants of the illyrians, no matter how hard you wish it to be that way...

so forget about those "two milleniums".

and funcakes,

the Albanians in Kosovo are not albanian citizens, you shouldn´t dream around..

they are serbian citizens.

and all serbian citizens live within the borders of Serbia.

it´s that simple.


no single albanian citizen lives in Macedonia,Greece or Serbia.

you have been mislead by your koha papers..or you simply do not know what the term "citizen" means!

Who gives albanians the right to steal other countries' land - just because they are a minority in one part of that country? What kind of logic is this?
(Ratko, 27 December 2007 14:54)

Who gives serbs the right to occupy in 1912 the land of 90% albanians, plant it with a bunch of colons? And after the albanians react, cry: This is a violation of international law? Who gives serbs the right to think that everywhere where is found a cyrillic character it is a serbian land? Should Italians claim London? Or Greeks the Mareille? What kind of logic is this?

jovan,
please tell me who I descend from because now I'm having identity problems !!!!!

I know you come from Russia, but where do I come from?

Beside the another treat of violence, at least he is honestly admitting 'the idea behind the idea':Greater Albania.
What a novelty Mr Ceku?!?!!

There will never be a Greater Albania. The International Community would never allow such a thing, there is far too much risk involved. If anything could cause another Balkan War, this would be it. In any case, I am sure most Albanians couldn't care less about a Greater Albania, they just want to live a normal life, wherever they are, and not feel like second class citizens. As far as extremist groups like ANA are concerned, one can just look at how Macedonia dealt with them: special forces went in, disarmed or killed the terrorists, problem solved. Greek and Montenegrin special forces could do the same if some extremist Albanian separatists try the same.

Unfortunately for Serbia, they did not deal with KLA terrorists exclusively, they came down hard on the civilian populace who had nothing to do with it. That was their mistake, the other states that risk separatism should learn from Serbia's mistakes and follow Macedonia's example, I think.

These ideas of Greater Serbia, Greater Albania and Greater Croatia, or whatever are incompatible with Europe.

Jovan,

Enough with your nationalistic lessons. You are in no position to lecture anyone. KosovA Albanians have never been citizens of Serbia. They were citizens of Yugoslavia. With the disappearance of that entity, the Albanians owe no allegiance to Serbia whatsoever.

I don't see why Ceku is concerned about partition. The Albanians are already trying to partition Kosovo out of Serbia and add it to greater Albania. They tried in Macedonia and Presevo a few years ago also. Suddenly when the shoe is on the other foot, Ceku is worried about precedents.

As far as North Mitrovica goes, it was never really a part of Kosovo anyways. Most of that area is geographically Raska and was only attached with Kosovo in 1959. Thus, it has no historical connection to Kosovo.

I don't think so Isaac, exchange Serbian land for Serbian land? Nope, N-Kosovo is already gone for you. Presevo ain't going no where. Our new bases there will make sure of that.

Whether Kosovo is partitioned or not Albanians will cause unrest in every country where they are a sizable minority.

This rubbish about partitioning Kosovo will cause a problem everywhere else is just that, rubbish.
They need a reason to demand the whole of Kosovo.

If they ever get it they will still go after the other countries as well.

I hear Macedonia is willing to vote yes to independence. Well soon Serbia will return the favour.

comic we get the picture, you a thaci fan. tony soprano also looks quite appealing eh :) anyway give my regards to drenica. gjarperi only a local boy with local influence. shots called in pristina by non-albanians, non-serbs.

Funcakes

Kosovo will be independent and that means almost seven million of eight million ethnic Albanians in Europe will be in their own countries. As for the rest, well, there are minorities living in every European country, including the EU. Only the Basques don't have their own country and have the right to ask for one.

You're mad if you think anyone would support the Albanians in getting all their lands back! Europeans are forward thinking Funcakes, looking back at historical land and how borders were drawn over the course of time like you and other Albanian nationalists do is not forward thinking, all it does is threaten conflict. In any case Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro will not give the lands that were once Albanian back to Albania, same as Russia will not give back Finland and Germany its lands, Poland and France will not give Germany back its lands, Lithuania, Ukraine and Belarus will not give Poland back its lands, Romania, Slovakia and Serbia will not give their lands back to Hungary etc., you know why? Because it is backwards thinking and causes bad blood amongst the tribes. Why can't Albanians look to peace for a change by letting the past go?

Jovan,

Whether Presevo Valley Albanians are Illyrians or not, it simply doesn´t matter. They are not Serbs or Russians and they have been there long before Serbs. The matter is that they don´t want to be in Serbia just like Mitrovica Serbs ´who do not want to be in Kosovo. For one thing, Serbia will never be able to control north of Kosovo after the independence. NATO is determined to crush trouble makers Albanians or Serbs.

Jovan, misleading propaganda does not make anything the truth. You might be naive enough to believe what the Serb war machine had to say, but this is not the past century anymore..

Peter - Why should Albanians give up on wanting to be under one nation?

How about France being split up in 4 other neighboring countries, and only half of the French population remaining under French rule? Would the French accept that? Nope. Then why should the Albanians accept that? Peace doesn't come from double standards, Europe can only delay the inevitable...but never be able to stop it.

The best deal will be that Kosovo becomes a pure ethnic Albanian EU run state. N. Kosovo joins with Serbia, and S. Serbia, well, stays Serbia. As far as Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro is concerned, let them deal with their minority problems. I thought the Albanians wanted to be part of the EU? There will be no borders, remember, so how can you have a greater Albania? I don't understand a lot of stuff here.

Last time they tried to fight for big albania in Mantenegro did not fair good,neither did it in Macedonia.Cheap talk to keep himself in power that`s what this is.I`m sure Hague court would have some questions about this too.

"An attempt to divide Kosovo could create "problems" with borders of four regional states, Agim Ceku says.
Kosovo's outgoing prime minister, who recently hinted at forming his own party, said Wednesday Kosovo's partition "might create problems with borders in four Albanian-populated states and create unrest throughout the region".

In my opinion, these problems can be quickly nipped in the bud by the West (providing it wants to do so in the first place) by making Pristina's independence, UN entry, EU entry, economic aid etc firmly conditional on it renouncing any attempt to merge with Tirana or to support Albanian separatists elsewhere in the Balkans.



"Albanians live in four countries other than Albania," Ceku told the DPA news agency in an interview."

Serbs live in many countries in the region too besides Serbia. So where is the difference from Albanians apart from their ethnicity?


"If Kosovo is partitioned along ethnic lines, those would want to talk about uniting with Albania."

But isn't Kosovo independence itself tantamount to partitioning Serbia along ethnic lines too? And wouldn't it also raise questions about Srpska uniting with Serbia?

You guys are still listening Gen Ceku, I told you all you need to listen to Mr Thaci. Don't listen to these who have duped Kosovo the last few years. Thaci is the Future. Wait and See, did Mr Thaci say any thing about this NOPE so why worry he controls Kosovo. Albanians in Albania doesnt want to unite with Kosovo so they can get there EU and NATO funds. Macedonia will have conflict with this and so will montenegro so yea right Mr Ceku

If Kosovo becomes independent, they wouldn't need to join with Albania formally. They can just leave the border open so they can come and go at will.

All this rubbish about Kosovo not being allowed to join with Albanian is just that. Theory is one thing but practice is another.

Whether Kosovo gets partitioned or independent will not matter. Albanians will cause the same chaos in Montenegro, Macedonia and perhaps Greece. Greece might be a little harder to go against.
Either Kosovo remains part of Serbia and the border with Albania is fully controlled or if partitioned, give Republika Srpska the option of joining Serbia along with Northen Kosovo.

This scare tactic about partitioning Kosovo would incite other Albanians to go after other countries as well is not working. Albanians will do it whatever happens.

partition is the only logical solution. Serbs retain the North and the Albanian side takes the South. I think that if Serbia were to lose part of Kosova then its irelevant if it joins with albania or not.
As for Ceku speaking about Albanians in Macedonia and Montenegro, whell if he wants to have a go he can try. As for Presevo Serbia is more than capable of controlling this part.
Its amazing how the Albanian side is constantly making threats to its neighbours yet has to cry to NATO for help when it backfires.

In the same story on other news services, Ceku admits to de fact partition already in place and how Pristina doesn’t have control over the north. How interesting that Kosovars point out that they are de fact independent, but don’t like to the idea of de facto partition. What a double standard! Other news sites also talk about how the EU is willing to accept this de facto partition as a part of the Kosovo solution. Don’t expect anyone, NATO, EU, or KPS to change this. It’s pretty much a done deal.

Isaac, there won’t be any land exchanges and NATO won’t be duped into building your Greater Albania. Russia is also asserting itself again so your idea is off the table. What would happen if there was another attack by the KLA in Serbia for the Presevo Valley? I think Serbia would be able to handle it without the brutality seen in Kosovo by both sides. The US is also busy fighting terrorism while NATO sits on its behind so don’t expect much action in the Balkans anymore.

Ludimuja, I disagree with any idea of a pure Albanian Kosovo state. The UN plan, US, and EU all call for a multi-ethnic Kosovo and what you are proposing is ethnic cleansing. It goes to show that this cycle never stops. How do you expect to all live together in the EU if you can’t live together now? The EU won’t take you in when you can’t respect minority rights and get rid of them like they are trash.

The partition of Serbia's sovereign territory is a precedent for any number of nightmare scenarios throughout the Balkans (and beyond).
It's a Pandora's box and we must wait and see whether the US are arrogant enough to open it !