Romanian parliament demands more Kosovo talks

Which Albanian said that we must read between the lines and that Romania was actually supporting Kosovo's Independence?

I think Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Cyprus, Russia, China, even Bulgaria could not be any more clear that they DO NOT SUPPORT Independence for Albanians!

By the way Romania is the largest Balkan country! Hardly insignificant.

The number of countries who can see through this well orchestrated scam is widening.

Yesterday, Malta joined Spain, Slovakia, Cyprus and Romania. It is 5/27 votes against the illegal recognition of illegal independence.

Canada suddenly acts as if the cat ate her tongue. They realized that illegal recognition of Kosovo can damage Canada beyond repair.
It is not only Quebec, it can be Chinese Vancouver as well.

I think Romania is doing the right thing. I also think the US will have to consider their stance with the Lakota Indian Tribe declaring independence within the the US.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317548,00.html

I am really fed up with papers constantly reporting that only Russia supports Serbia. This is a deliberte attempt to mislead people into believing that US and EU are united.

Nothing can be further from the truth. We know for a fact that many more countries (in Europe as well) don't support the illegal grab for Serbian land but these countries are being left out of the reports.

Outside Europe we have again more than Russia. The most powerful one being China and then all the others.

Wake up Albanian camp. You don't have support of most of the world. America is not the entire world and they cannot take on the entire world. If they could you would alsready have independent Kosovo. All America can do is force another World War, but they cannot guarantee winning anything. This can be just as damaging for America as for Europe.

This is a game of poker and they expect Seriba to blink.
Serbia cannot afford to blink.

Thank you Romania, for sticking to the law.

Doni, who cares what you Albanians in Kosovo think. Kosovo is still Serbian, ask Mr. 1244.

comparing kosovo with israel is frankly ridiculous, almost like when someone said the other day albanians had no hospitals 800 years ago because they never got sick :)

jews, hard-working people who were for centuries the driving force of european civilization, in science, culture, arts, business, built israel.

arab countries don't recongnize israel? you're right, who cares. but look at this list israel made that kosovo will absolutely never make:

http://www.un.org/members/list.shtml#i

and with this, have a nice evening.

Kosovo like Israel? LOL well if thats not the joke of the day I don't want to hear the actual one.

I think Smile summed it up pretty well to begin with. Second Israel has given Serbia is total support and wont be recognizing any independent Kosovo ever. :)

I have a question to the albaninan posters here. Do you actually think that the US will stay committed to invest in Kosovo and keep its soldiers there? Come on get real, they (US) are desperately looking for a way out of their mess and unilateral independence is the fastest for them, although most bitter pill for them to swallow since their pride is too great to allow Russia & Serbia to win (rightfully) in Kosovo.

No Middle East state besides Egypt recognizes Israel! And you think Israel cares? If the Western powers recognize you, that is all that matters. They are the ones that run the show. Kosova is not begging to be recognized by Cyprus and Romania, not to even mention Serbia. In fact it could care less about either. The UK, the USA, France, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, I could go on and on, have all said that they will recognize Kosova as independent once independence is declared. After that happens, Serbia can keep on telling itself that it still controls Kosova because Cyprus says so. See how far that clout goes.

It's clear enough now that the major countries that
border with Kosovo don't
wish to see it independent
without UN authorisation.This
realisation will make life
very difficult for the albanians to survive as a
nation.It's also a delusion
on the part of the albanians
that the west will carry the
can no matter what.As to the
EU dream this will take many
years to come true.

we can talk with romania how much they want if they have the time, and if it's their business.
So, who cares if romania says even something. Albania says no more negotiations. So, who cares.
We already decided INDEPENDENCE, it's a done deal, why should we now change our mind.

serb camp should ask itself why EU thinks you can be bribed? instead.

Many states wouldn't exist today if every older- pre-existing state would have the right to veto.

The independence of Kosova is an important issue and certainly Romania has something to say, but certainly not the right to block it.

The memory of the future state of Kosova will certainly remeber it.

K-Albanians are certainly very proud that the independence of Kosova is supporter by the consolidated democracies- this time including France (with the very active Sarko) and Germany- low profile but determinate.

at Smile
about your 800 years hospital it was me, but serbs dont get my humor in there when I said there was no disease before building of that hospital.
anyway, Kosova will even make 1 more than Israel, because Israel will be included also in the list.

"Wake up Albanian camp. You don't have support of most of the world. America is not the entire world and they cannot take on the entire world. If they could you would alsready have independent Kosovo. All America can do is force another World War, but they cannot guarantee winning anything. This can be just as damaging for America as for Europe. "

Just so you and the others like you understand. We are no fighting for Kosova's independence, we are fighting for our own existence. The events of the past century culminating with the attrocities of a decade ago proves that the only way to secure our existence is an independent Kosova. K-Albanians have been fighting for an independent country when USA and Europe had not the slightest idea where Kosova and Serbia are. Back than you might had been right. We had no support.

But today is different. US and most of EU is on our side. If you don't see it, it's your problem.

The bottom line is that there is no way on earth, short of anihiliating 2 million albanians, that you could rule Kosova again with your unchanged attitude.

The bottom line is that there is no way on earth, short of anihiliating 2 million albanians, that you could rule Kosova again with your unchanged attitude.

Miri,

I hear your point and, though I find myself disagreeing, respect your thoughts. However, I haven't seen anything in your post, or those of others advocating unconditional independence, to persuade me that the same rights you claim don't apply to K-Serbs declaring independence from an independent Kosovo. When you have a moment, I'd be glad to hear why you think they should, or shouldn't, have the right to choose their own way.

As I've mentioned in previous posts, as a recent visitor to Kosovo I was treated like a criminal by K-Albanian police and border guards because of my Slavic name - although I'm US-born, traveling on a US passport and with diplomatic credentials. If I were a non-Albanian in Kosovo, I would run like hell the second independence was declared, regardless of which western countries were to recognize it. Your citations of historic oppression, I'm afraid, don't change that fact one bit. Not that I deny them, but being oppressed in the past gives you no right to be an oppressor today.

I see little to suggest that Serbia can divert a unilateral declaration of independence that's backed by the west. But don't celebrate too soon: just a few more torched monasteries, a few more destroyed minority homes, and a few more years of soft apartheid, and that will change. The next big political question will be the unilateral declaration of independence *from* Kosovo - and you will find that you have little backing from those that you consider your friends today.

Cheers from New York.

AC said >> Macedonia, Albania and Montenegro will recognize it. And we can come back to this thread in 3 months if you wish.
(AC, 21 December 2007 02:07)

Slavic Macedonia will recognize Kosovo? the same Macedonia that has their own radical Albanian population? I think not buddy!

Hello, everybody,
I can see there is no Romanian contributing here, so I will step in and take the burden :)
I do not intend to explain in detail my country's position over Kosovo, so I will give only two hints:

First, it is about Moldavia Republic that we are worried when we think of consequences of Kosovo's possible independence. Moscow will surely use Kosovo precedent in order to rip off the self-proclaimed "Transdniestria Republic" from Moldavia. We respect the sovereignty of Moldavia Republic over its entire territory, so we must remain coherent with this position. I invite Albanians contributing here to put themselves in the place of Bucharest, and I think they will admit we cannot support Kosovo independence, at least not a self-proclaimed one. If EU will decide a common position, Romania will not remain the only one to oppose it, no matter what this position will be. But, if I would be Albanian, then I would be rather worried for Cyprus and Slovakia positions.

Second, Serbia is our neighbor (some people will say "the best one we had in history") and we do not want to jeopardize this relation (which is as old as the one Romanians are having with Albanians, everyone pls. check who composed the Albanian national anthem...).
We want to remain friends with both sides, and not to meddle into something we have no right to meddle (it was enough to have 500 Wallachian light cavalry at the Kosovo Polje Battle in 1839, almost all of them dead in battle...).
As about Romania and EU, just a short answer to
Eagle:
We may be one of the poorest countries in Europe, but comparing with Albania and Kosovo, we are Germany! And please don't bother to reply, I have lived for three years in Kosovo, and I bet you have no idea how Romania looks from inside! Bucharest has 4 million people, twice than Kosovo, and Romania is 20 times bigger as territory, as we are the 7th country in EU... This is why we are IN, and this is why we have a right to express our concerns, because this is the rule of the game. You should learn it, since when EU will take over Kosovo, they will be also Romanian money going into that hole, also...

Damn, Romania just joined EU and now they are voting something that is against many EU countires; however, I find this interesting, Romanians are not slavic, but I guess they have some problems inside their country. Is there a province who is trying to breakaway from Romania?
EU should't have allowed Romania to join EU at all.
Romania is one of the poorest countries in Europe and they are in EU now, they should listed to other EU countries and not to deny something that is supported by majority of EU.

Ahmed, how many times are you counting Serbia as a list of countries that border Kosovo (what happened to the idea that Serbia doesn't border Kosovo as Kosovo is in Serbia hehe :)? Macedonia, Albania and Montenegro will recognize it. And we can come back to this thread in 3 months if you wish.

If anyone really wants to know why the west is supporting the independence of Kosovo just read Delije's comment to Doni. Come up with all the crazy ideas you want about a puppet state or whatever, but if the Serbian attitude had changed any toward the Albanian people in the last 8 years I think you would see a much different support field. As it stands Kosovo can never be returned to Serbia rule.

"I also think the US will have to consider their stance with the Lakota Indian Tribe declaring independence within the the US"

That's the US's problem. Some of us here have no problem supporting both the Kosovar and the Lakota right to self-determination. Sorry, that just doesn't scare me for one.

No Middle East state besides Egypt recognizes Israel! And you think Israel cares? If the Western powers recognize you, that is all that matters. They are the ones that run the show. Kosova is not begging to be recognized by Cyprus and Romania, not to even mention Serbia. In fact it could care less about either. The UK, the USA, France, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, I could go on and on, have all said that they will recognize Kosova as independent once independence is declared. After that happens, Serbia can keep on telling itself that it still controls Kosova because Cyprus says so. See how far that clout goes.

we can talk with romania how much they want if they have the time, and if it's their business.
So, who cares if romania says even something. Albania says no more negotiations. So, who cares.
We already decided INDEPENDENCE, it's a done deal, why should we now change our mind.

serb camp should ask itself why EU thinks you can be bribed? instead.

Many states wouldn't exist today if every older- pre-existing state would have the right to veto.

The independence of Kosova is an important issue and certainly Romania has something to say, but certainly not the right to block it.

The memory of the future state of Kosova will certainly remeber it.

K-Albanians are certainly very proud that the independence of Kosova is supporter by the consolidated democracies- this time including France (with the very active Sarko) and Germany- low profile but determinate.

at Smile
about your 800 years hospital it was me, but serbs dont get my humor in there when I said there was no disease before building of that hospital.
anyway, Kosova will even make 1 more than Israel, because Israel will be included also in the list.

Which Albanian said that we must read between the lines and that Romania was actually supporting Kosovo's Independence?

I think Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Cyprus, Russia, China, even Bulgaria could not be any more clear that they DO NOT SUPPORT Independence for Albanians!

By the way Romania is the largest Balkan country! Hardly insignificant.

I am really fed up with papers constantly reporting that only Russia supports Serbia. This is a deliberte attempt to mislead people into believing that US and EU are united.

Nothing can be further from the truth. We know for a fact that many more countries (in Europe as well) don't support the illegal grab for Serbian land but these countries are being left out of the reports.

Outside Europe we have again more than Russia. The most powerful one being China and then all the others.

Wake up Albanian camp. You don't have support of most of the world. America is not the entire world and they cannot take on the entire world. If they could you would alsready have independent Kosovo. All America can do is force another World War, but they cannot guarantee winning anything. This can be just as damaging for America as for Europe.

This is a game of poker and they expect Seriba to blink.
Serbia cannot afford to blink.

"Wake up Albanian camp. You don't have support of most of the world. America is not the entire world and they cannot take on the entire world. If they could you would alsready have independent Kosovo. All America can do is force another World War, but they cannot guarantee winning anything. This can be just as damaging for America as for Europe. "

Just so you and the others like you understand. We are no fighting for Kosova's independence, we are fighting for our own existence. The events of the past century culminating with the attrocities of a decade ago proves that the only way to secure our existence is an independent Kosova. K-Albanians have been fighting for an independent country when USA and Europe had not the slightest idea where Kosova and Serbia are. Back than you might had been right. We had no support.

But today is different. US and most of EU is on our side. If you don't see it, it's your problem.

The bottom line is that there is no way on earth, short of anihiliating 2 million albanians, that you could rule Kosova again with your unchanged attitude.

The number of countries who can see through this well orchestrated scam is widening.

Yesterday, Malta joined Spain, Slovakia, Cyprus and Romania. It is 5/27 votes against the illegal recognition of illegal independence.

Canada suddenly acts as if the cat ate her tongue. They realized that illegal recognition of Kosovo can damage Canada beyond repair.
It is not only Quebec, it can be Chinese Vancouver as well.

It's clear enough now that the major countries that
border with Kosovo don't
wish to see it independent
without UN authorisation.This
realisation will make life
very difficult for the albanians to survive as a
nation.It's also a delusion
on the part of the albanians
that the west will carry the
can no matter what.As to the
EU dream this will take many
years to come true.

Damn, Romania just joined EU and now they are voting something that is against many EU countires; however, I find this interesting, Romanians are not slavic, but I guess they have some problems inside their country. Is there a province who is trying to breakaway from Romania?
EU should't have allowed Romania to join EU at all.
Romania is one of the poorest countries in Europe and they are in EU now, they should listed to other EU countries and not to deny something that is supported by majority of EU.

Thank you Romania, for sticking to the law.

Doni, who cares what you Albanians in Kosovo think. Kosovo is still Serbian, ask Mr. 1244.

I think Romania is doing the right thing. I also think the US will have to consider their stance with the Lakota Indian Tribe declaring independence within the the US.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317548,00.html

comparing kosovo with israel is frankly ridiculous, almost like when someone said the other day albanians had no hospitals 800 years ago because they never got sick :)

jews, hard-working people who were for centuries the driving force of european civilization, in science, culture, arts, business, built israel.

arab countries don't recongnize israel? you're right, who cares. but look at this list israel made that kosovo will absolutely never make:

http://www.un.org/members/list.shtml#i

and with this, have a nice evening.

Kosovo like Israel? LOL well if thats not the joke of the day I don't want to hear the actual one.

I think Smile summed it up pretty well to begin with. Second Israel has given Serbia is total support and wont be recognizing any independent Kosovo ever. :)

I have a question to the albaninan posters here. Do you actually think that the US will stay committed to invest in Kosovo and keep its soldiers there? Come on get real, they (US) are desperately looking for a way out of their mess and unilateral independence is the fastest for them, although most bitter pill for them to swallow since their pride is too great to allow Russia & Serbia to win (rightfully) in Kosovo.

Ahmed, how many times are you counting Serbia as a list of countries that border Kosovo (what happened to the idea that Serbia doesn't border Kosovo as Kosovo is in Serbia hehe :)? Macedonia, Albania and Montenegro will recognize it. And we can come back to this thread in 3 months if you wish.

If anyone really wants to know why the west is supporting the independence of Kosovo just read Delije's comment to Doni. Come up with all the crazy ideas you want about a puppet state or whatever, but if the Serbian attitude had changed any toward the Albanian people in the last 8 years I think you would see a much different support field. As it stands Kosovo can never be returned to Serbia rule.

The bottom line is that there is no way on earth, short of anihiliating 2 million albanians, that you could rule Kosova again with your unchanged attitude.

Miri,

I hear your point and, though I find myself disagreeing, respect your thoughts. However, I haven't seen anything in your post, or those of others advocating unconditional independence, to persuade me that the same rights you claim don't apply to K-Serbs declaring independence from an independent Kosovo. When you have a moment, I'd be glad to hear why you think they should, or shouldn't, have the right to choose their own way.

As I've mentioned in previous posts, as a recent visitor to Kosovo I was treated like a criminal by K-Albanian police and border guards because of my Slavic name - although I'm US-born, traveling on a US passport and with diplomatic credentials. If I were a non-Albanian in Kosovo, I would run like hell the second independence was declared, regardless of which western countries were to recognize it. Your citations of historic oppression, I'm afraid, don't change that fact one bit. Not that I deny them, but being oppressed in the past gives you no right to be an oppressor today.

I see little to suggest that Serbia can divert a unilateral declaration of independence that's backed by the west. But don't celebrate too soon: just a few more torched monasteries, a few more destroyed minority homes, and a few more years of soft apartheid, and that will change. The next big political question will be the unilateral declaration of independence *from* Kosovo - and you will find that you have little backing from those that you consider your friends today.

Cheers from New York.

AC said >> Macedonia, Albania and Montenegro will recognize it. And we can come back to this thread in 3 months if you wish.
(AC, 21 December 2007 02:07)

Slavic Macedonia will recognize Kosovo? the same Macedonia that has their own radical Albanian population? I think not buddy!

"I also think the US will have to consider their stance with the Lakota Indian Tribe declaring independence within the the US"

That's the US's problem. Some of us here have no problem supporting both the Kosovar and the Lakota right to self-determination. Sorry, that just doesn't scare me for one.

Hello, everybody,
I can see there is no Romanian contributing here, so I will step in and take the burden :)
I do not intend to explain in detail my country's position over Kosovo, so I will give only two hints:

First, it is about Moldavia Republic that we are worried when we think of consequences of Kosovo's possible independence. Moscow will surely use Kosovo precedent in order to rip off the self-proclaimed "Transdniestria Republic" from Moldavia. We respect the sovereignty of Moldavia Republic over its entire territory, so we must remain coherent with this position. I invite Albanians contributing here to put themselves in the place of Bucharest, and I think they will admit we cannot support Kosovo independence, at least not a self-proclaimed one. If EU will decide a common position, Romania will not remain the only one to oppose it, no matter what this position will be. But, if I would be Albanian, then I would be rather worried for Cyprus and Slovakia positions.

Second, Serbia is our neighbor (some people will say "the best one we had in history") and we do not want to jeopardize this relation (which is as old as the one Romanians are having with Albanians, everyone pls. check who composed the Albanian national anthem...).
We want to remain friends with both sides, and not to meddle into something we have no right to meddle (it was enough to have 500 Wallachian light cavalry at the Kosovo Polje Battle in 1839, almost all of them dead in battle...).
As about Romania and EU, just a short answer to
Eagle:
We may be one of the poorest countries in Europe, but comparing with Albania and Kosovo, we are Germany! And please don't bother to reply, I have lived for three years in Kosovo, and I bet you have no idea how Romania looks from inside! Bucharest has 4 million people, twice than Kosovo, and Romania is 20 times bigger as territory, as we are the 7th country in EU... This is why we are IN, and this is why we have a right to express our concerns, because this is the rule of the game. You should learn it, since when EU will take over Kosovo, they will be also Romanian money going into that hole, also...