Koštunica in New York ahead of Kosovo debate

I bet that Russia and China will veto any move for independence. If no new resoultion to invalidate 1244 then no EU mission could be deployed.

It looks like "greater albania camp" is getting a little excited, but I don't know about what? I think it's every time Vojo speaks the truth it really hurts them.

The Kosovo Albabians better wake up and accept that Kosovo will not become indipendent, and should work with Serbia to be good citiziens of that country that has provided them with an oppertunity unlike Albania which is ranked the 3rd world's poorest country.

Bush a great leader. Bush is the worst leader in the world.If anything he is the leader that will be remembered as the worst American president ever.

It doesn't matter if Bush said Kosovo independent or not. He also said Iraq was a "job done" something Americans have been saying about Kosovo. Clearly you can't trust what he says.

Doni

Sorry, but Bush is the worst leader in US history. Such bungling mismanagement as seen in Iraq and Afghanistan is proof of this (these are worst disasters in US foreign policy since Vietnam). Aside from that, the amount of times he has vetoed his own senate's decisions is also frightening (including internal social policies).

I am thankful that this man will soon step down. He may not be the autocrat that is Vladimir Putin, but he is far more of a warmonger.

Jack does this translate into; Serbia is day dreaming again?

Kostunica's visit won't chamge Mr Bush's decision. So, Mr Kostunica is losing his time and Serbia's money with useless visits to the States.

why bush didnt come to serbia? to talk to kostunica, and try to persuade him not to join russia.
serb camp is saying that serbia is important, and US will regret the decision, serbia will coperate with russia etc etc..
I think kostunica is going to his master to recieve some instructions and warnings in the same time.

remember he came in Albania and said: Kosova independent.

we gave him the wellcome such a great leader desearves.

Whether Bush is a good or bad leader is really besides the point as far as Kosova and Albanians are concerned. He might be a bad leader to Serbs or Iraqis but he is a great leader to us, just as Clinton was, since they made sure that Kosova becomes independent.

Kosta: Albania is probably Europe's poorest country and not the 3rd world's, and I am not ashamed to admit it because it is a fact, just as it is a fact that the economic growth in the last 5 years has been between 6-7%. But be that as it may we are not discussing poverty here but the independence of Kosova. We are under no illusion as to the difficult road ahead Albania and Kosova face in their attempts to secure a better future for their citizens, because we know where we stand better than you could ever know. However we would never negotiate away independence for the sake of a "better life" as part of Serbia. Besides as Tadic said that are 500 000 unemployed Serbs so it does not look to me as if Serbia could really be of much help and in any case we think the EU will be better than Kostunica. The independence of Kosova and the importance of the Albanian factor in Macedonia are making sure that we occupy a much stronger and important position in the Balkans and we are satisfied with that to begin with. The rest will come in time.

Of course Albanians love Bush because of his pro-independence stance, but that does not detract from the fact that he is a terrible leader. The best way he could solve terrorism is to pull out of the Middle East.

I totally agree with Mr. Tadić, one more meeting will take place over Kosovo issue in UN, it's a meeting where will be recocniyed sovereignity of Kosovo, a new member of international recognized states. I just wonder will Mr.Tadić vote for Kosovo indenpendance??

It looks like "greater albania camp"

I'd rather chose Greater Albania than Greater Serbia, regarding what Milosevic achieved to succeed.

Cant waite until we declare our Independence and the very next day will almost averyone recognize our new state. My question is however, what will Serbia then do/react? Maybe the first country to recognize?

"[Bush] succeeded in stopping terrorists to attack America during his two mandates. History will also note this." -Uncle Sam
You forgot to mention that the worst terrorist attack on US soil was during his mandate. And that took Bush on a wild goose chase into Iraq...but the only link between iraQ and al-Qaida was the letter Q...coincidence?
Back to the States...
FREEDOM? When was the last time you were there? 10 years ago? A few things have changed since then.
ECONOMY? the ECB just allocated $500bn at a below-market rate to help the credit crunch caused by a US mortgage crisis, while the Fed only lent $20bn...
"leader of the Free World G. W. Bush...stop with this anti-Bush retoric because it's like village-style fashion today being anti-Bush...it has become just a fashionalbe "non-sense", being against "the Best" and not appreciating his qualities. "US" is a dream for each country to be like US." -doni
hahah good one...maybe the Albanians should move to the US to live their dream...I think Europe would be quite relieved =]

Serbian camp

I dont see anywhere K-Serbs being mentioned at all except when it comes to violence.

At least the leader of the Free World G. W. Bush came in Albania by showing to the whole world the importance of such a Great Nation by respecting it.
Maybe serb camp will disagree, but the truth hurts.
And stop with this anti-Bush retoric because it's like village-style fashion today being anti-Bush, it makes people being important when they are not in reality, and makes you feel part of the wider trend of the masses and make you feel being accepted in society.
Forgeting what is right and true.

Sorry, but Bush is the worst leader in US history.

Not sure of this. At least, he succeeded in stopping terrorists to attack America during his two mandates. History will also note this.

Kostunica who?
Bush will say!
Does he have "nukular" weapons?
No?!!
You mean to say that we destroyed 69% of their army capabillity in the bombing raids in 1999?!
Then sent him back where he came from.
I have spoken once:
Kosovo will be inependent.

peter,
what would you do different from Bush?

one thing you say is:
1)"The best way he could solve terrorism is to pull out of the Middle East."-Peter Sudyka

and what if things dont go like you predict?
you suppose thing you say, will go the way you say.

but no. being idealistic or post-modernist, or anti-Bush or anti-.... is not the solution, but the problem itself.
But as we see today, it has become just a fashionalbe "non-sense", being against "the Best" and not appreciating his qualities. "US" is a dream for each country to be like US.
Many appreciate US qualities, and work with US to advance even more by being together. Others, "dream" for US failure and distruction.why?what they offer different?

US is a symbol of FREEDOM and Freedom is our religion.
And being Albanian means free like the eagle, and other symbols for freedom.

Doni: "At least the leader of the Free World G. W. Bush came in Albania by showing to the whole world the importance of such a Great Nation by respecting it."

He hid his watch when he shook hands with the people, for goodness sake! I hardly call that respect.

"US is a symbol of FREEDOM and Freedom is our religion."

There are of course good things about the US, but Bush certainly is not one of them! His foreign policy has led to the loss of many lives.

It is unwise to place such blind faith in one foreign nation (whether it is the US, Albania or Russia) because nothing is that black and white. Not unless you are under 17 and/ or extremely naïve.

The Serbian side can make a strong case by claiming that independence will not solve any of Kosovo's real problems. For those who still think that all will be fine once the Albanian Serbs (because that is what 90% of Kosovo's inhabitants are (whether you like it or not)) will be claiming independence (which does not mean a things since it is not the same as getting or gaining it) please check the following link.

http://www.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/news/display/?id=129233

Thanks UN for not doing anything and you see that the outlook that your EU friends will do better is very unlikely. It is however also unlikely that the Serbian government has a good plan to solve the enormous challenges it faces in case Kosovo will stay part of Serbia (as it should). I am sure that if the international community would tell the Albanian Serbs in Kosovo to actually start serious negotiations or else the donor money will be gone they would be around the negotiating table and be constructive and involved in no time. Tomorrow and the coming days will be interesting and important for all those involved and interested. Much is at stake and hopefully people will be aware of the consequences that could affect many future generations.

At least, he succeeded in stopping terrorists to attack America during his two mandates. History will also note this.
(Uncle Sam, 18 December 2007 18:32)

- oh yeah thats right he stopped 9/11 - it never happened - was this a joke or complete nonsense !!!!

The slogan loses something in translation. In serbian it is only two words

KATE I am very suprised at you taking some chep shots about the watch.I never thought that you will put yourself to that level.
By the way, PM Kostunica is wasting his time and the taxpayers money.

that's a long slogan

To B92, I live in Detroit Michigan. What is the cut off time (Detroit time) that I need to have my comments in so they can be posted? Thank you, Delije

@Kosta (I guess you are Greek)
You should leave aside your religion sympathy towards Orthodox nations and learn the FACTS and how to be fair.
If you check CIA Wordbook facts you should see that Albania had some progress in the last years.
Albanian: GDP 5% growth in 2006 and GDP per Cap $5700 unemployment 13%-30%
Serbia:GDP 5.9% growth in 2006 and GDP per Cap $4400 unemployment 31%-50%
What you should ask here is why Kosovo is poor then Serbia while they were the “Same Country-discrimination?”.

Orthodox,Catholic and Muslims live in total religion Harmony in Albania. Why our neighbors can not do the same?
A-Albanians don't want any “Greater Albania” they just want to see K-Albanians live their life for once not as second class citizen.
And if Independence is what K-Albanian desire and 90% of UN believe is the right thing along with what EU and USA decision is.......so bee it.
ALB-MCSE

we are already celebrating our independence:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7149782.stm

he really think somebody it will by his story or anyone think or do it leave kosovo how is now and start new negotiation in same time kosovo to feel poorest more and more and serbia gain investment and credits in same time ,you really think like a genius but you are wrong and time it will show to you ,it will be like ripley' beleve it or not,,, so good luck with your adventures,,,,,

doni

As I said, Albanians love the US because they will be facilitating Kosovo's freedom. Once again, this does not mean that Bush is a good leader. He is fighting a lost cause in Iraq, spending over $70 000 000 000 monthly to keep his troops there and in Afghanistan, at the same time vetoing his own senate's decision to fund free insurance for US children, because his budget was allocated elsewhere. He refused to label the Armenian Genocide as genocide because he needed Turkish airbases.

He should be focusing more on his own country then the problems in others. The US troops can leave today or in ten years and they still would not have achieved their goals.

Sorry, but Bush is the worst leader in US history. Such bungling mismanagement as seen in Iraq and Afghanistan is proof of this (these are worst disasters in US foreign policy since Vietnam). Aside from that, the amount of times he has vetoed his own senate's decisions is also frightening (including internal social policies).

I am thankful that this man will soon step down. He may not be the autocrat that is Vladimir Putin, but he is far more of a warmonger.
(Peter Sudyka, 18 December 2007 15:58)

bush a warmonger? i don't blame bush for going into afghanistan or iraq. he did what any sitting US president would do based on intel. he received. granted mistakes were made but that's the nature of war. i'm sure al gore thanks his lucky stars that he didn't win in lieu of the events that unfolded shortly after the election in 2000.
if you're looking for warmongers, i suggest you visit the regime in belgrade.
do you honestly think policy on the war(s) will change in the event a non-republican wins next year? if you do, you're kidding yourself.
think of how often politicians tell you what you want to hear when they're campaigning and how many times they actually deliver when they get into office.

why bush didnt come to serbia? to talk to kostunica, and try to persuade him not to join russia.
serb camp is saying that serbia is important, and US will regret the decision, serbia will coperate with russia etc etc..
I think kostunica is going to his master to recieve some instructions and warnings in the same time.

remember he came in Albania and said: Kosova independent.

we gave him the wellcome such a great leader desearves.

I totally agree with Mr. Tadić, one more meeting will take place over Kosovo issue in UN, it's a meeting where will be recocniyed sovereignity of Kosovo, a new member of international recognized states. I just wonder will Mr.Tadić vote for Kosovo indenpendance??

Kostunica's visit won't chamge Mr Bush's decision. So, Mr Kostunica is losing his time and Serbia's money with useless visits to the States.

Jack does this translate into; Serbia is day dreaming again?

It looks like "greater albania camp"

I'd rather chose Greater Albania than Greater Serbia, regarding what Milosevic achieved to succeed.

Cant waite until we declare our Independence and the very next day will almost averyone recognize our new state. My question is however, what will Serbia then do/react? Maybe the first country to recognize?

Kostunica who?
Bush will say!
Does he have "nukular" weapons?
No?!!
You mean to say that we destroyed 69% of their army capabillity in the bombing raids in 1999?!
Then sent him back where he came from.
I have spoken once:
Kosovo will be inependent.

At least the leader of the Free World G. W. Bush came in Albania by showing to the whole world the importance of such a Great Nation by respecting it.
Maybe serb camp will disagree, but the truth hurts.
And stop with this anti-Bush retoric because it's like village-style fashion today being anti-Bush, it makes people being important when they are not in reality, and makes you feel part of the wider trend of the masses and make you feel being accepted in society.
Forgeting what is right and true.

Sorry, but Bush is the worst leader in US history.

Not sure of this. At least, he succeeded in stopping terrorists to attack America during his two mandates. History will also note this.

peter,
what would you do different from Bush?

one thing you say is:
1)"The best way he could solve terrorism is to pull out of the Middle East."-Peter Sudyka

and what if things dont go like you predict?
you suppose thing you say, will go the way you say.

but no. being idealistic or post-modernist, or anti-Bush or anti-.... is not the solution, but the problem itself.
But as we see today, it has become just a fashionalbe "non-sense", being against "the Best" and not appreciating his qualities. "US" is a dream for each country to be like US.
Many appreciate US qualities, and work with US to advance even more by being together. Others, "dream" for US failure and distruction.why?what they offer different?

US is a symbol of FREEDOM and Freedom is our religion.
And being Albanian means free like the eagle, and other symbols for freedom.

Bush a great leader. Bush is the worst leader in the world.If anything he is the leader that will be remembered as the worst American president ever.

It doesn't matter if Bush said Kosovo independent or not. He also said Iraq was a "job done" something Americans have been saying about Kosovo. Clearly you can't trust what he says.

Whether Bush is a good or bad leader is really besides the point as far as Kosova and Albanians are concerned. He might be a bad leader to Serbs or Iraqis but he is a great leader to us, just as Clinton was, since they made sure that Kosova becomes independent.

Kosta: Albania is probably Europe's poorest country and not the 3rd world's, and I am not ashamed to admit it because it is a fact, just as it is a fact that the economic growth in the last 5 years has been between 6-7%. But be that as it may we are not discussing poverty here but the independence of Kosova. We are under no illusion as to the difficult road ahead Albania and Kosova face in their attempts to secure a better future for their citizens, because we know where we stand better than you could ever know. However we would never negotiate away independence for the sake of a "better life" as part of Serbia. Besides as Tadic said that are 500 000 unemployed Serbs so it does not look to me as if Serbia could really be of much help and in any case we think the EU will be better than Kostunica. The independence of Kosova and the importance of the Albanian factor in Macedonia are making sure that we occupy a much stronger and important position in the Balkans and we are satisfied with that to begin with. The rest will come in time.

Serbian camp

I dont see anywhere K-Serbs being mentioned at all except when it comes to violence.

@Kosta (I guess you are Greek)
You should leave aside your religion sympathy towards Orthodox nations and learn the FACTS and how to be fair.
If you check CIA Wordbook facts you should see that Albania had some progress in the last years.
Albanian: GDP 5% growth in 2006 and GDP per Cap $5700 unemployment 13%-30%
Serbia:GDP 5.9% growth in 2006 and GDP per Cap $4400 unemployment 31%-50%
What you should ask here is why Kosovo is poor then Serbia while they were the “Same Country-discrimination?”.

Orthodox,Catholic and Muslims live in total religion Harmony in Albania. Why our neighbors can not do the same?
A-Albanians don't want any “Greater Albania” they just want to see K-Albanians live their life for once not as second class citizen.
And if Independence is what K-Albanian desire and 90% of UN believe is the right thing along with what EU and USA decision is.......so bee it.
ALB-MCSE

The slogan loses something in translation. In serbian it is only two words

It looks like "greater albania camp" is getting a little excited, but I don't know about what? I think it's every time Vojo speaks the truth it really hurts them.

The Kosovo Albabians better wake up and accept that Kosovo will not become indipendent, and should work with Serbia to be good citiziens of that country that has provided them with an oppertunity unlike Albania which is ranked the 3rd world's poorest country.

I bet that Russia and China will veto any move for independence. If no new resoultion to invalidate 1244 then no EU mission could be deployed.

Of course Albanians love Bush because of his pro-independence stance, but that does not detract from the fact that he is a terrible leader. The best way he could solve terrorism is to pull out of the Middle East.

we are already celebrating our independence:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7149782.stm

Doni

Sorry, but Bush is the worst leader in US history. Such bungling mismanagement as seen in Iraq and Afghanistan is proof of this (these are worst disasters in US foreign policy since Vietnam). Aside from that, the amount of times he has vetoed his own senate's decisions is also frightening (including internal social policies).

I am thankful that this man will soon step down. He may not be the autocrat that is Vladimir Putin, but he is far more of a warmonger.

To B92, I live in Detroit Michigan. What is the cut off time (Detroit time) that I need to have my comments in so they can be posted? Thank you, Delije

Doni: "At least the leader of the Free World G. W. Bush came in Albania by showing to the whole world the importance of such a Great Nation by respecting it."

He hid his watch when he shook hands with the people, for goodness sake! I hardly call that respect.

"US is a symbol of FREEDOM and Freedom is our religion."

There are of course good things about the US, but Bush certainly is not one of them! His foreign policy has led to the loss of many lives.

It is unwise to place such blind faith in one foreign nation (whether it is the US, Albania or Russia) because nothing is that black and white. Not unless you are under 17 and/ or extremely naïve.

KATE I am very suprised at you taking some chep shots about the watch.I never thought that you will put yourself to that level.
By the way, PM Kostunica is wasting his time and the taxpayers money.

that's a long slogan

"[Bush] succeeded in stopping terrorists to attack America during his two mandates. History will also note this." -Uncle Sam
You forgot to mention that the worst terrorist attack on US soil was during his mandate. And that took Bush on a wild goose chase into Iraq...but the only link between iraQ and al-Qaida was the letter Q...coincidence?
Back to the States...
FREEDOM? When was the last time you were there? 10 years ago? A few things have changed since then.
ECONOMY? the ECB just allocated $500bn at a below-market rate to help the credit crunch caused by a US mortgage crisis, while the Fed only lent $20bn...
"leader of the Free World G. W. Bush...stop with this anti-Bush retoric because it's like village-style fashion today being anti-Bush...it has become just a fashionalbe "non-sense", being against "the Best" and not appreciating his qualities. "US" is a dream for each country to be like US." -doni
hahah good one...maybe the Albanians should move to the US to live their dream...I think Europe would be quite relieved =]

he really think somebody it will by his story or anyone think or do it leave kosovo how is now and start new negotiation in same time kosovo to feel poorest more and more and serbia gain investment and credits in same time ,you really think like a genius but you are wrong and time it will show to you ,it will be like ripley' beleve it or not,,, so good luck with your adventures,,,,,

The Serbian side can make a strong case by claiming that independence will not solve any of Kosovo's real problems. For those who still think that all will be fine once the Albanian Serbs (because that is what 90% of Kosovo's inhabitants are (whether you like it or not)) will be claiming independence (which does not mean a things since it is not the same as getting or gaining it) please check the following link.

http://www.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/news/display/?id=129233

Thanks UN for not doing anything and you see that the outlook that your EU friends will do better is very unlikely. It is however also unlikely that the Serbian government has a good plan to solve the enormous challenges it faces in case Kosovo will stay part of Serbia (as it should). I am sure that if the international community would tell the Albanian Serbs in Kosovo to actually start serious negotiations or else the donor money will be gone they would be around the negotiating table and be constructive and involved in no time. Tomorrow and the coming days will be interesting and important for all those involved and interested. Much is at stake and hopefully people will be aware of the consequences that could affect many future generations.

At least, he succeeded in stopping terrorists to attack America during his two mandates. History will also note this.
(Uncle Sam, 18 December 2007 18:32)

- oh yeah thats right he stopped 9/11 - it never happened - was this a joke or complete nonsense !!!!

doni

As I said, Albanians love the US because they will be facilitating Kosovo's freedom. Once again, this does not mean that Bush is a good leader. He is fighting a lost cause in Iraq, spending over $70 000 000 000 monthly to keep his troops there and in Afghanistan, at the same time vetoing his own senate's decision to fund free insurance for US children, because his budget was allocated elsewhere. He refused to label the Armenian Genocide as genocide because he needed Turkish airbases.

He should be focusing more on his own country then the problems in others. The US troops can leave today or in ten years and they still would not have achieved their goals.

Sorry, but Bush is the worst leader in US history. Such bungling mismanagement as seen in Iraq and Afghanistan is proof of this (these are worst disasters in US foreign policy since Vietnam). Aside from that, the amount of times he has vetoed his own senate's decisions is also frightening (including internal social policies).

I am thankful that this man will soon step down. He may not be the autocrat that is Vladimir Putin, but he is far more of a warmonger.
(Peter Sudyka, 18 December 2007 15:58)

bush a warmonger? i don't blame bush for going into afghanistan or iraq. he did what any sitting US president would do based on intel. he received. granted mistakes were made but that's the nature of war. i'm sure al gore thanks his lucky stars that he didn't win in lieu of the events that unfolded shortly after the election in 2000.
if you're looking for warmongers, i suggest you visit the regime in belgrade.
do you honestly think policy on the war(s) will change in the event a non-republican wins next year? if you do, you're kidding yourself.
think of how often politicians tell you what you want to hear when they're campaigning and how many times they actually deliver when they get into office.