"Thanks Jovan! I knew you would back me up on this one. And Vaso Cubrilovic was a self-hating Albanian, I supose, right?
(Clean Cut, 16 December 2007 15:16)"
who for heaven´s sake is that??? :)
you should educate yourself, my dear. and do not listen to communist-servants...they did all for Tito, if they were ordered to do so...
kate - Just to correct you on one thing, I don't agree with Kosovo being independent outside of the UNSC and would obviously prefer a compromize between Belgrade and Pristina, I have not changed my stance since the beginning.
However, I can see that nothing will stop the independence, it is, the quote some Albanians here, a "done deal", and the only realistic solution to this current scenario. All we can hope for now is that the international community carry out their plan successfully and have the right contingencies in place.
I don't know where you are getting this information from, but Poland did not receive any reparations from Germany for the war. You are thinking WWI, not WWII, where the Germans had to pay everybody damages in accordance with the Treaty of Versailles. Poland has never officially demanded reparations from Germany, only individuals who were used as slave labour have received compensation, yes.
Why do you think the German government does not acknowledge the claims by Erika Steinbach and Prussian Trust? Because Poland's government said that if they were to compensate those Germans that were kicked out, they would demand war reparations from Germany. Germany's EU-based investments into Poland are more than compensation anyway, if you ask me.
So the case that was null and void for 50 years was reopened and reclosed very quickly and everybody is happy. Why? Because the vast majority of Poles and Germans are looking to the future, not the past. We are both moving on again.
Serbs and Albanians need to do the same, sooner than later, if possible.
ben - I don't agree with Peter on certain points but it is insulting and incorrect to accuse him of having any anti-Albanian bias. I think he just sees the situation and the people while sitting pretty firmly on the fence.
If anything I would like him to suddenly realise how wrong and dangerous it would be to allow independence to move forward. And that it isn't and can't be a done deal.
Peter: I don't know if you know the Germans are suing Poland and Polish people ,institution. For the return of their lands ,homes ,buildings etc. Germany paid reparation terms money and goods most of it went in the pockets of the 10% communist party members in Poland. Germany paid for its crimes as much as possible humanly. They took responsibility fore its actions and of their leaders political ,military of their twisted vile murderous actions. Has Serbia and the Serbs?
"You cannot join the democratic community without respecting the will of other nations kosavars want their own independent state to preserve their national identity, culture and their homeland" Ben.
1) there is nothing "democratic" about the EU. How many referendums were held in how many EU countries to accept the Lisbon Treaty (former EU constitution)?
2)Kosovo is the heartland (birthplace) of the Serbian nation as regards to culture, religion and national identity.
3) Albanians already have independence and all the trappings in your national cradle, Albania.
4) Spewing misinformation over and over does not make it true!
Obviously the standard of your English is not very high, nor did you sit down and take the time to understand what I meant, you just resorted to an ad hominem retort and some irrelevant statement, both completely out of context.
Lenard said that Serbia's EU membership should be linked to their actions in the Yugoslav Wars, all I did was expose the not so smart nature of his comment by saying it WOULD BE LIKE COMPARING it to Germany.
Next time, don't be so quick to reply to a comment unless you are sure you understand what is being written.
PS. I have nothing but respect for Germany and Germans, not that it has anything to do with what I wrote earlier.
serbia and kosova if together they will never join EU. thats why they need to be independent and are linked to EU.
EU will not accept serbia with an open conflict like is kosova. no country has never join EU like serbia pretend to join and say is not linked. but it is linked and full stop.
Serbia must openly declare will accept EU on this coditions or will face the consquences of other minorities who will break up from serbia, because enough is enough. Many want to join EU, and not be hostage of serb myths which have nothing to do with this people
She is right. EU's hipocritical policy is making me sick. Last year EU politicans were saying that Kosovo and Serbia's intgration into EU are two separated issues and are not linked anyhow. Now, when EU made a mess by backing USA's crazy stand on independence and when finally EU realised that is not easy to just grant independence they begun with conditioning Serbia. Their behaviour is arogant and therefore will be punished for such behaviour. Serbia is a key holder on independence and if Kosovo recognition is a condition that should be met in order to join EU then Serbia is doing right thing. Serbia's politicans are supported by 70% of its citizens to reject such an indecent offer.
Serbia was the only one to promote multiculturalism. All other ethnic groups wanted pure ethnic countries (slovenians, croatians and muslim bosniaks). Serbia never attacked anyone first, and that is a fact. We were always provoked and were just defending what is ours.
So please save us those same old boring propaganda stories. It seems like you copy and paste the same comment every time you post here.
Peter: "By your logic Germany should never have been allowed into the EU.."
Peter I admire you guts to compare Germany and Serbia- i guess it's product of your maturity and recognition of what Germany has done for Poland in these 2-3 decades
People should stop putting finger on Germans and blaming them for what happened 70 years ago, each time they disagree with them- simply it's not fair to one of the most democratic and the most generous country of Europe.
Germany doesn't own us anything anymore and we all do own to Germany something- especially Poland.
Sarko was very clear!!! EU should continue to support Sarkos stance. You cannot join the democratic community without respecting the will of other nations- kosavars want their own independent state to preserve their national identity, culture and their homeland that were heavely violated by Serbia for decades.
What should EU link it too maybe to Serbia's record these two last decades of disestablising the region. With launching four wars ethnic cleansing ,murdering 10 of thousand of people giving shelter and hiding two of the worst war criminals Mladic with his buddy Karadzic with others also. Or maybe righting the mess and destruction and reversing ethnic cleansing the Serbs have caused and started. Compensation for the victims of Serb aggression and brutality where should they start? But I forgot Serbia is special and on a different schedule then the rest.
By your logic Germany should never have been allowed into the EU, and they did things on a far greater scale than Serbia did. Stop living in the past, it does no one any good to stay angry at a country for its actions in the past.
She's quite right. You cannot threaten Serbia's ascension to the EU using the Kosovo issue as leverage, it's a ridiculous idea by the EU! The issues are not linked! Giving up war criminals, yes, fair enough, obviously they have to meet all Copenhagen Criteria, but recognizing Kosovo as one of the prerequisites? Why?
Serbia was the only one to promote multiculturalism. All other ethnic groups wanted pure ethnic countries (slovenians, croatians and muslim bosniaks). Serbia never attacked anyone first, and that is a fact. We were always provoked and were just defending what is ours.
So please save us those same old boring propaganda stories. It seems like you copy and paste the same comment every time you post here.
She is right. EU's hipocritical policy is making me sick. Last year EU politicans were saying that Kosovo and Serbia's intgration into EU are two separated issues and are not linked anyhow. Now, when EU made a mess by backing USA's crazy stand on independence and when finally EU realised that is not easy to just grant independence they begun with conditioning Serbia. Their behaviour is arogant and therefore will be punished for such behaviour. Serbia is a key holder on independence and if Kosovo recognition is a condition that should be met in order to join EU then Serbia is doing right thing. Serbia's politicans are supported by 70% of its citizens to reject such an indecent offer.
She's quite right. You cannot threaten Serbia's ascension to the EU using the Kosovo issue as leverage, it's a ridiculous idea by the EU! The issues are not linked! Giving up war criminals, yes, fair enough, obviously they have to meet all Copenhagen Criteria, but recognizing Kosovo as one of the prerequisites? Why?
"You cannot join the democratic community without respecting the will of other nations kosavars want their own independent state to preserve their national identity, culture and their homeland" Ben.
1) there is nothing "democratic" about the EU. How many referendums were held in how many EU countries to accept the Lisbon Treaty (former EU constitution)?
2)Kosovo is the heartland (birthplace) of the Serbian nation as regards to culture, religion and national identity.
3) Albanians already have independence and all the trappings in your national cradle, Albania.
4) Spewing misinformation over and over does not make it true!
By your logic Germany should never have been allowed into the EU, and they did things on a far greater scale than Serbia did. Stop living in the past, it does no one any good to stay angry at a country for its actions in the past.
What should EU link it too maybe to Serbia's record these two last decades of disestablising the region. With launching four wars ethnic cleansing ,murdering 10 of thousand of people giving shelter and hiding two of the worst war criminals Mladic with his buddy Karadzic with others also. Or maybe righting the mess and destruction and reversing ethnic cleansing the Serbs have caused and started. Compensation for the victims of Serb aggression and brutality where should they start? But I forgot Serbia is special and on a different schedule then the rest.
Obviously the standard of your English is not very high, nor did you sit down and take the time to understand what I meant, you just resorted to an ad hominem retort and some irrelevant statement, both completely out of context.
Lenard said that Serbia's EU membership should be linked to their actions in the Yugoslav Wars, all I did was expose the not so smart nature of his comment by saying it WOULD BE LIKE COMPARING it to Germany.
Next time, don't be so quick to reply to a comment unless you are sure you understand what is being written.
PS. I have nothing but respect for Germany and Germans, not that it has anything to do with what I wrote earlier.
ben - I don't agree with Peter on certain points but it is insulting and incorrect to accuse him of having any anti-Albanian bias. I think he just sees the situation and the people while sitting pretty firmly on the fence.
If anything I would like him to suddenly realise how wrong and dangerous it would be to allow independence to move forward. And that it isn't and can't be a done deal.
Sarko was very clear!!! EU should continue to support Sarkos stance. You cannot join the democratic community without respecting the will of other nations- kosavars want their own independent state to preserve their national identity, culture and their homeland that were heavely violated by Serbia for decades.
Peter: "By your logic Germany should never have been allowed into the EU.."
Peter I admire you guts to compare Germany and Serbia- i guess it's product of your maturity and recognition of what Germany has done for Poland in these 2-3 decades
People should stop putting finger on Germans and blaming them for what happened 70 years ago, each time they disagree with them- simply it's not fair to one of the most democratic and the most generous country of Europe.
Germany doesn't own us anything anymore and we all do own to Germany something- especially Poland.
serbia and kosova if together they will never join EU. thats why they need to be independent and are linked to EU.
EU will not accept serbia with an open conflict like is kosova. no country has never join EU like serbia pretend to join and say is not linked. but it is linked and full stop.
Serbia must openly declare will accept EU on this coditions or will face the consquences of other minorities who will break up from serbia, because enough is enough. Many want to join EU, and not be hostage of serb myths which have nothing to do with this people
Peter: I don't know if you know the Germans are suing Poland and Polish people ,institution. For the return of their lands ,homes ,buildings etc. Germany paid reparation terms money and goods most of it went in the pockets of the 10% communist party members in Poland. Germany paid for its crimes as much as possible humanly. They took responsibility fore its actions and of their leaders political ,military of their twisted vile murderous actions. Has Serbia and the Serbs?
I don't know where you are getting this information from, but Poland did not receive any reparations from Germany for the war. You are thinking WWI, not WWII, where the Germans had to pay everybody damages in accordance with the Treaty of Versailles. Poland has never officially demanded reparations from Germany, only individuals who were used as slave labour have received compensation, yes.
Why do you think the German government does not acknowledge the claims by Erika Steinbach and Prussian Trust? Because Poland's government said that if they were to compensate those Germans that were kicked out, they would demand war reparations from Germany. Germany's EU-based investments into Poland are more than compensation anyway, if you ask me.
So the case that was null and void for 50 years was reopened and reclosed very quickly and everybody is happy. Why? Because the vast majority of Poles and Germans are looking to the future, not the past. We are both moving on again.
Serbs and Albanians need to do the same, sooner than later, if possible.
"Thanks Jovan! I knew you would back me up on this one. And Vaso Cubrilovic was a self-hating Albanian, I supose, right?
(Clean Cut, 16 December 2007 15:16)"
who for heaven´s sake is that??? :)
you should educate yourself, my dear. and do not listen to communist-servants...they did all for Tito, if they were ordered to do so...
kate - Just to correct you on one thing, I don't agree with Kosovo being independent outside of the UNSC and would obviously prefer a compromize between Belgrade and Pristina, I have not changed my stance since the beginning.
However, I can see that nothing will stop the independence, it is, the quote some Albanians here, a "done deal", and the only realistic solution to this current scenario. All we can hope for now is that the international community carry out their plan successfully and have the right contingencies in place.
What should EU link it too maybe to Serbia's record these two last decades of disestablising the region. With launching four wars ethnic cleansing ,murdering 10 of thousand of people giving shelter and hiding two of the worst war criminals Mladic with his buddy Karadzic with others also. Or maybe righting the mess and destruction and reversing ethnic cleansing the Serbs have caused and started. Compensation for the victims of Serb aggression and brutality where should they start? But I forgot Serbia is special and on a different schedule then the rest.
Sarko was very clear!!! EU should continue to support Sarkos stance. You cannot join the democratic community without respecting the will of other nations- kosavars want their own independent state to preserve their national identity, culture and their homeland that were heavely violated by Serbia for decades.
Peter: "By your logic Germany should never have been allowed into the EU.."
Peter I admire you guts to compare Germany and Serbia- i guess it's product of your maturity and recognition of what Germany has done for Poland in these 2-3 decades
People should stop putting finger on Germans and blaming them for what happened 70 years ago, each time they disagree with them- simply it's not fair to one of the most democratic and the most generous country of Europe.
Germany doesn't own us anything anymore and we all do own to Germany something- especially Poland.
serbia and kosova if together they will never join EU. thats why they need to be independent and are linked to EU.
EU will not accept serbia with an open conflict like is kosova. no country has never join EU like serbia pretend to join and say is not linked. but it is linked and full stop.
Serbia must openly declare will accept EU on this coditions or will face the consquences of other minorities who will break up from serbia, because enough is enough. Many want to join EU, and not be hostage of serb myths which have nothing to do with this people
She is right. EU's hipocritical policy is making me sick. Last year EU politicans were saying that Kosovo and Serbia's intgration into EU are two separated issues and are not linked anyhow. Now, when EU made a mess by backing USA's crazy stand on independence and when finally EU realised that is not easy to just grant independence they begun with conditioning Serbia. Their behaviour is arogant and therefore will be punished for such behaviour. Serbia is a key holder on independence and if Kosovo recognition is a condition that should be met in order to join EU then Serbia is doing right thing. Serbia's politicans are supported by 70% of its citizens to reject such an indecent offer.
She's quite right. You cannot threaten Serbia's ascension to the EU using the Kosovo issue as leverage, it's a ridiculous idea by the EU! The issues are not linked! Giving up war criminals, yes, fair enough, obviously they have to meet all Copenhagen Criteria, but recognizing Kosovo as one of the prerequisites? Why?
By your logic Germany should never have been allowed into the EU, and they did things on a far greater scale than Serbia did. Stop living in the past, it does no one any good to stay angry at a country for its actions in the past.
Serbia was the only one to promote multiculturalism. All other ethnic groups wanted pure ethnic countries (slovenians, croatians and muslim bosniaks). Serbia never attacked anyone first, and that is a fact. We were always provoked and were just defending what is ours.
So please save us those same old boring propaganda stories. It seems like you copy and paste the same comment every time you post here.
Peter: I don't know if you know the Germans are suing Poland and Polish people ,institution. For the return of their lands ,homes ,buildings etc. Germany paid reparation terms money and goods most of it went in the pockets of the 10% communist party members in Poland. Germany paid for its crimes as much as possible humanly. They took responsibility fore its actions and of their leaders political ,military of their twisted vile murderous actions. Has Serbia and the Serbs?
Obviously the standard of your English is not very high, nor did you sit down and take the time to understand what I meant, you just resorted to an ad hominem retort and some irrelevant statement, both completely out of context.
Lenard said that Serbia's EU membership should be linked to their actions in the Yugoslav Wars, all I did was expose the not so smart nature of his comment by saying it WOULD BE LIKE COMPARING it to Germany.
Next time, don't be so quick to reply to a comment unless you are sure you understand what is being written.
PS. I have nothing but respect for Germany and Germans, not that it has anything to do with what I wrote earlier.
"You cannot join the democratic community without respecting the will of other nations kosavars want their own independent state to preserve their national identity, culture and their homeland" Ben.
1) there is nothing "democratic" about the EU. How many referendums were held in how many EU countries to accept the Lisbon Treaty (former EU constitution)?
2)Kosovo is the heartland (birthplace) of the Serbian nation as regards to culture, religion and national identity.
3) Albanians already have independence and all the trappings in your national cradle, Albania.
4) Spewing misinformation over and over does not make it true!
ben - I don't agree with Peter on certain points but it is insulting and incorrect to accuse him of having any anti-Albanian bias. I think he just sees the situation and the people while sitting pretty firmly on the fence.
If anything I would like him to suddenly realise how wrong and dangerous it would be to allow independence to move forward. And that it isn't and can't be a done deal.
I don't know where you are getting this information from, but Poland did not receive any reparations from Germany for the war. You are thinking WWI, not WWII, where the Germans had to pay everybody damages in accordance with the Treaty of Versailles. Poland has never officially demanded reparations from Germany, only individuals who were used as slave labour have received compensation, yes.
Why do you think the German government does not acknowledge the claims by Erika Steinbach and Prussian Trust? Because Poland's government said that if they were to compensate those Germans that were kicked out, they would demand war reparations from Germany. Germany's EU-based investments into Poland are more than compensation anyway, if you ask me.
So the case that was null and void for 50 years was reopened and reclosed very quickly and everybody is happy. Why? Because the vast majority of Poles and Germans are looking to the future, not the past. We are both moving on again.
Serbs and Albanians need to do the same, sooner than later, if possible.
kate - Just to correct you on one thing, I don't agree with Kosovo being independent outside of the UNSC and would obviously prefer a compromize between Belgrade and Pristina, I have not changed my stance since the beginning.
However, I can see that nothing will stop the independence, it is, the quote some Albanians here, a "done deal", and the only realistic solution to this current scenario. All we can hope for now is that the international community carry out their plan successfully and have the right contingencies in place.
"Thanks Jovan! I knew you would back me up on this one. And Vaso Cubrilovic was a self-hating Albanian, I supose, right?
(Clean Cut, 16 December 2007 15:16)"
who for heaven´s sake is that??? :)
you should educate yourself, my dear. and do not listen to communist-servants...they did all for Tito, if they were ordered to do so...
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