Rehn: No Kosovo decision until spring?

There is no EU unity now, there will not be EU unity in the spring. Serbia is a rock on which empires break. The Ottomans and Austro-Hungarians know this very well. The EU and Americans are soon to find out.
Cheers!

So this is EU unity decision - put it off till end of March! The EU message is loud and clear we understand respect Serbia's continued sovereignity but the US still wish to give false assurance and have not worked a way around to tell those they gave false promises to.

Oh dear where is Ceku, Sediju and Thaci now with their by then immediatly, by then within a few days, by then within a month........

I think the fact that a couple of thousand turned up in Prishtina demanding immediate secession the other day suggests the ordinary citizen in Serbia's province understand the reality of the State they are in!

Its teh 13th December 2007 and I am looking forward to 2008 secure in the knowledge that Serbia's Sovereignity and international norms and laws are to be continued for years to come!

Nikshala
U need 27 out of 27. Even 1 less means end to independence. Since this is how it played out, thats the end of that chapter. This was EU telling u to sit down and shut up.

NEVER ENDING STORY SO IT GOES...dec 10 has passed, then now comes spring. but what year it doesnt say. these are all politics my friends.

Ok, now EU found elections in Serbia as an excuse to postpone the decision making on Kosovo status. What will be an excuse in the spring when EU fail again to find unified stand on this issue. Nothing will change in Serbian policy towards the Kosovo policy whoever rule over Serbia. What are they afraid of? Do they think that if radiclas win the elections they are going to induce the war? I personaly doubt. When it comes to Kosovo all parties in Serbia have unified stand exept LDP(who has no chance of wining anything). No one will sign that blatant robbery.

Rest assured Nikshala when the world has other more pressing issues and the ethnic Albanians are no longer of use to their puppet masters in the US and UK.... then Kosovo with be avenged 'yet' again. It wont take 500 years this time. It must be chilling to know that without external help Kosovo cannot hope to resist an onslaught from a well organised Serbian nation who have the moral highground. Enjoy you're independence... i doubt the next generation of Albanians will do so.

Not even the UK can get around the legal soverignity of Serbia over its province;

"On Kosovo, the prime minister said "supervised independence" was his preferred way of proceeding, and he hoped Serbia would accommodate the Kosovar population's wish to break free. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7141810.stm

Note "preferred way" and hopes Serbia will "accomodate" . Thus with no accomodation no preferred way - I guess we will hear another new deadline - Dec 20008 perhaps ?

When it comes to Kosovo all parties in Serbia have unified stand except LDP(who has no chance of wining anything). No one will sign that blatant robbery.
(bmrusila, 13 December 2007 12:13)

bmrusila, I fully agree with you but it seems the Americans feel that if Tadio wins he will easily sell out Kosovo another blundering mistake by the Americans, they consistently underestimate Serbia and its people. The EU breaking international law was all a bluff and Serbia called it. The only way the EU will recognize Kosovo is if Tadic gives it away and that is not going to happen because Tadic knows that if he ever did that he wouldn't last two more days in office. I give Tadic more credit than the Americans and some Serbians.

Nick said >> "What good is sovereignty when you cant exercise it?"

Nick surely you are aware that just the other day Minister Samardzic from Belgrade simply walked into Kosovo and opened a new Government office without any interference from NATO. My dear Friend I think that is exercising sovereignty!

Its over the bluff was called, there was no Independence on December 10th there will be no Independence in March 2008 unless Serbia hands Kosovo over legally which well never happen. The EU will NEVER destroy international law for Albanians and the USA will never recognize you without the EU.

toni,

How conveniently you leave the Albanians out of your list as if they have no blood on their hands and they are the Innocent victims of the Balkans, its become a tired old story and slowly but surely the world is getting wise to you and is starting to realize through the truth what the Albanians did too. Cry us river Toni, lets hear your sob story.

It is obvious what is going on.
The "decision" to wait, is in actual effect a clever ploy that is designed to get the Albanian extremists in Kosmet to commence yet another pogrom against the remaining serbs, monasteries and graveyards.
Once this happens, and it will, even America will turn its back on the Albanians and the serbian army will restore order under NATO's auspices as a partner for Peace.

And this whole episode can placed in the dustbin of history where it belongs.

Serbia could perfectly well declare it self..PART OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION!!! What THEN!! I think the EU (not the US) is NOW RISKING..TO MUCH!!There will be not ONE, but SEVERAL PANDORA boxes if KOSOVO is allowed to declare Independance... WITHOUT a UNSC. RESOLUTION!!!
Ernst-Germany

To nikshala.

Ya you keep on waiting. Like you said you have "gotten used to it."

- The negotiations are over.

- 26 out of 27 EU countries so far support or at least won't object to Kosovo independence. thats the highest number of EU countries so far, and in the last few days we have heard that EU is close to reachuing virtual unity, and a number or european politicans have said that independence is the only solution.

- USA and most countries around the world support Kosovo's independence.


Whether it will happen in January, February or March its irrelevant considering it will be a permanent separation from Serbia. Few months are nothing in long term, at least for next 500 years when Serbia will 'avenge' Kosovo again.

I used to be concered about delays before, but now I am certain that EU has made a desicion to recognize independence although not public yet, coz of serbian elections, but the outcome is certain now. Its not a matter of IF but WHEN.

While to some of you a delay of few months might give you some false hope and satisfaction, the end result will be the same:

Kosovo will be independent.

The only uncertain issue is the North.

Mark
"dragan,
you're so far in DENIAL that you're actually in the suaz canal."

Cyprus said it will never recognise no matter how much pressure they r under. Therefor, only on in denile here is you. Maybe you should read the articles before posting comments. I cant see how you missed such an important detail.

RE: Independance and the UN.

(1) Unilateral Independance-EU Support

At this present moment, Cyprus will never agree to independant Kosovo, Spain, Slovakia, Romania and Greece will continue to wait and see while not immediately recognizing Kosovo. Other countries such as Bulgaria, Hungary,FYROM, Czech and Poland are not fully on board.

(2) United Nations

If "Unilateral Indpendance" is rammed through by the EU and the US, how will the UN be circumvented? How will the illegal nation of Kosovo gain a UN Seat? Russia or China will never be signatory to a UN resolution to an illegal Kosovo state.

(3) What will be the reaction of the US and EU if Serbia decided to allow Russian bases in Serbia?

(4) What will be the US and EU reaction if Dodik and the Republika Srpksa decided to declare unilateral independance at the same precise moment the illegal state of Kosovo decides to do so.

Serbia's diplomatic reaction to the possible illegal unilateral declaration of indpendance is ready, is the EU, US and Kosovo ready to face the consequences of it's illegal actions.

"We can simply declare independence at any time, but we are also thhankfull to the west for all done for us, and will simply follow their instructions "
(predictor, 13 December 2007 13:46)"

yeah! =)

follow your orders! prove how independent you actually "de facto" are! *lol*

I can still remember how "predictor" introduced himself here as a "non-albanian" in his first comment!

=)

mr nik is so optimistic. let me remind you that in most cases where decision is delayed, this means undecisiveness and lack of political will. this leads usually to negative results be it in business or politics. its really very hard to decide because of the double standard issue which may arise.

"26 out of 27 EU countries"

mate, you got 4 out of 5 in the un security council. and look where that got you.

'I fully agree with you but it seems the Americans feel that if Tadio wins he will easily sell out Kosovo another blundering mistake by the Americans, they consistently underestimate Serbia and its people.'

they were saying the same about him four years ago, 'tadic wants someone to just impose a solution so that he doesnt have to' blablabla voa 'experts', i remember it clearly. kos albanians would like nothing better than nikolic to win. they would be independent today if milo was in office for just a year or two longer. but a democratic, normal serbia that you see it tadic, thats hard to treat like dirt. therefore: do not make silly assumptions. tadic is deeply and seriously committed to this country and its obvious to anyone who wants to see. our enemies will cheer if nikolic wins. but he aint winning :)

Mr. Shelmerdine-Boskovic,

I am a bit flabbergasted on your take on the "well organized Serb nation" having the moral high ground for some onslaught soon-to-come (I am assuming you are referring against Kosovar Albanians). I am having a hard time figuring out as to what you exactly are implying.

Could you please elaborate on this a little bit? I am sure a lot of other readers would like to hear your exact opinion on that matter.

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Jeton

Well i guess the EU got scared of Russia and clammed up until spring. I figured there would be more comments concerning this case yes Nik 3 or 4 months year it will eventually happen unless some dummy get mad and start to kick it off.

I'm sorry but i, myself, have had to ask, what is this whole farcade about the EU having any sort of say in the status quo? Kosovo independence is in no way up to the EU, or the US or anyone else for that matter unless the UN hands over the decision to those groups... which i find impossible as that would clearly be an attack against the rights and views of the serbian people. Yes that is true, the way politics are and our russian allies we will have no hesitation turning serbia into a russian state... just as kosovo is going to be turned into a puppet state of the western countries. Where else could america place the "anti-iranian" missile defence systems? A lot closer to russia than what they had previously proposed. I cannot for the life of me understand this albanian propaganda. It just doesnt make even the slightest bit of sense as to how the US can give fake promises to these people and string them along. It doesnt matter how many countries agree to it when those countries would be going against the laws which they themselves are governed.

My dear Princip is not going to be at the end of March but to be very precise it will happened on March 6,2008.
I sugest you do some reaserch and find out what happend on that date in year 1998 in Kosova.when you are done with research you will understand why on that date Independence will be declaret and recognized.

We can simply declare independence at any time, but we are also thhankfull to the west for all done for us, and will simply follow their instructions and declare the independence when they say are ready... On all this we could say "Better ever than never" right...

Princip, Tatiana etc, etc:
I actually feel it is a waist of time to talk any longer about the independence of Kosova, but what the heck. One last time can't hurt and I might as well enlighten you a bit in the process and disperse any naive expectations you seem to cling on to.
What Rehn is talking about concerns the modalities and technical aspects of making Kosova independent and not the actual status of Kosova. A decision on that has already been made and if B92 were not so biased in that they never post things that might make the Serbs feel bad they would have reported that Condi Rice stated yesterday in FoxNews that Serbia and Kosova are absolutely gonna go their separate ways. No two ways about it, she said.
Waiting for Tadic's reelection was always one of the measures that had to be undertaken in order to help you guys and save you from a Radical president. That's all. The second round of those elections is in February 3 so it makes perfect sense to wait till early March with the independence. That will give the EU time to set up its own mission and find the necessary funds. In the meantime Kosova is de facto independent. Let Kostunica show his face in Prishtina and you will get proof of that assertion.
And in case you had any doubts here is a list of countries that have publicly claimed that Kosova is gonna be independent:
USA,UK, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, Holland, Austria...
Who have you got? Russia and Cyprus. What a couple!
The only uncertainty concerns the North, but not the rest of Kosova.

I agree completely with nikshala, 3-4 months do not make a difference in the long run. What's important is that the major European countries have already decided and stated their unwavering support for the Ahtisari plan and supervised independence.

Princip,

What good is sovreignty when you cant exercise it?

The fact that you insist on sovreignty, although you know very well that you will never be able to exercise it in Kosova, means that all you are interested in is the dream of "Velika Srbija", so that when you look up Serbia on a map, its bigger than other countries in the western Ballkans.

Princip,

You are piece of work. You just take a paragraph and interpret it in favor of your position. This happens over and over and over again.

blah blah blah hot air and wind!!!
Independence is neither justified nor deserved this is modern europe for christs sake or for allahs sake at that don't want to seem prejudicial!

No amount of jaw war by rightwing fanactics is going to change any thing ( yes that includes you mr Anthony Shelmerdine UK i did assume this to be an anagram but for the life of me can't seem to find any sensible solution!)

so may be its time to actually consider the people there regardless of whether they are christian muslim and finally realise that independence or not they will still have to live together!!!!!

There is no EU unity now, there will not be EU unity in the spring. Serbia is a rock on which empires break. The Ottomans and Austro-Hungarians know this very well. The EU and Americans are soon to find out.
Cheers!
(Dragan, 13 December 2007 14:34)

dragan,
you're so far in DENIAL that you're actually in the suaz canal.
i rather enjoy your humor from time to time. i didn't realize that serbia single-handedly brought down both the turks and the austrians? wow! truly a very impressive feat! i'm just curious when the historians are going to update history and publish your new found "facts."

Ahmet if you really want to know when independence will declared you need to ask Mr Thaci and giving dates is kind of the way Agim Ceku lost his credibility just like fatimir sedjiu. Mr Thaci will pass the word when he make his declaration not some guy or gal hiding behind a name like Ahmet isufi who probably does not exist anyway. Jean Claude has spoken

How conveniently you leave the Albanians out of your list as if they have no blood on their hands and they are the Innocent victims of the Balkans, its become a tired old story and slowly but surely the world is getting wise to you and is starting to realize through the truth what the Albanians did too. Cry us river Toni, lets hear your sob story.
(Canadian, 13 December 2007 21:06)

i find it funny how serbs constantly complain about albanians playing the role of "the victim." i remember your LATE, GREAT slobo whining on cnn telling viewers that albanians were fleeing kosove to avoid the nato bombs and not the serb military who was there to "help and aid" the albanians.

B92, explain why you omitted the part where Rehn said he was certain talks would continue?

Exactly who are you working for?

You Serbs (from the camp) seem to have SMS (short memory syndrome). Tell me how many countries were for recognition of Croatia and Bosnia..and how quickly everyone changed their mind.

KS, Croatia was not predominately Muslim, and in fact neither was Bosnia since the Muslim population in Bosnia was pretty even with the Catholic and Orthodox followers. Ask your self when will Turkey join the EU? The answer is never. The EU are Muslim-phobic.

Don’t worry nikshala. North is going nowhere. Serbia does not want north of Kosova since it will come with its population.
Also EU and US don’t want to start that kind of unstable policy. Separating north from Kosova would mean joining Presheva, Bujanoc and Medvegja with Kosova.
I would also agree with you that this separation with Serbia will be permanent and it would not matter if it is 22 Dec, 22 January but no longer than 3 of February. I would not like for the independence to go beyond 3 of February.

So, 3rd of February 2008 Kosova will declare its independence

Kosovo is lost in 1999!

The biggest task for us K-Albanians is how to accommodate K-Serbs in Kosovo institutions!It will be a bigger job then the date to declare independence!

We want to live with K-Serbs and other non-Albanians.

I know that there is not trust or will to live together.Because of that it will be a "supervised independence".

The biggest problem for K-Serbs to integrate with others is that until 1999 they used to "control" Kosovo.You could say they were only 10%,but they had the best jobs,even though not enough qualifications!They held the best positions in any area in then Kosovo institution.Us K-Albanians showed them to much respect!

Even despite that,in my opinion they should have a dual citizenship!In this "trial" period when Kosovo will be a supervised,they would have a choice to choose which government to join!

Cyprus said it will never recognise no matter how much pressure they r under. Therefor, only on in denile here is you. Maybe you should read the articles before posting comments. I cant see how you missed such an important detail.
(Cvele, 13 December 2007 20:55)

watch, read and listen and you yourself will witness what you describe as "never" transform itself into a nation. let's call it "birth of a nation." i hope mr adam smith will allow the courtesy :)

why tadic?
when kosova declares independence, he will not do anything objective and still be pro west, he will just follow legal way.

while koshtunica and co can bring the country on russia orbit.

US and EU should not work only on Kosova's independence. They should work more to civilize the Balkans. They should remind to the Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Montenegrins what they did during the wars. No words of hatred should be allowed to be spoken on TV or written on newspapers. History books should be revised. Nationalist parties banned. Only like that we will all be safe.

Ask your self when will Turkey join the EU? The answer is never. The EU are Muslim-phobic.
(Canadian, 14 December 2007 19:28)
i agree w/you about turkey not joining the EU but not because it's inhabited by muslims. regardless of their humanitarian issues and other roadblocks. they simply are NOT european. nato is a different story all together. you don't see germany attempting to join the arab league.
albanians, on the other hand, are europeans and just because many of them are muslims it shouldn't discourage their eventual membership.

You Serbs (from the camp) seem to have SMS (short memory syndrome). Tell me how many countries were for recognition of Croatia and Bosnia..and how quickly everyone changed their mind. If you think Russia or Cyprus can change the will of the people than you my friend live in happy-land. Kosova is already de-facto independent, what everyone is trying to do is get it internationally recognized.

Now who said that Russia would cut the gas line to Europe? Did you read the article where EU is defying Russia..as we speak? All of this over lunch.

Here is where Russia stands http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/guides/457000/457038/img/1182424324.gif

The Finnish newspaper Uutispaiva Demari acknowledged it had misquoted Rehn
as saying Kosovo's final status had been "postponed until early spring".
Maybe an apology is expected from B92 for misguiding it’s reader

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsMaps/idUSL1320726920071213?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

B92 title
Rehn: No Kosovo decision until spring?
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=12&dd=13&nav_id=46149

- The negotiations are over.

- 26 out of 27 EU countries so far support or at least won't object to Kosovo independence. thats the highest number of EU countries so far, and in the last few days we have heard that EU is close to reachuing virtual unity, and a number or european politicans have said that independence is the only solution.

- USA and most countries around the world support Kosovo's independence.


Whether it will happen in January, February or March its irrelevant considering it will be a permanent separation from Serbia. Few months are nothing in long term, at least for next 500 years when Serbia will 'avenge' Kosovo again.

I used to be concered about delays before, but now I am certain that EU has made a desicion to recognize independence although not public yet, coz of serbian elections, but the outcome is certain now. Its not a matter of IF but WHEN.

While to some of you a delay of few months might give you some false hope and satisfaction, the end result will be the same:

Kosovo will be independent.

The only uncertain issue is the North.

My dear Princip is not going to be at the end of March but to be very precise it will happened on March 6,2008.
I sugest you do some reaserch and find out what happend on that date in year 1998 in Kosova.when you are done with research you will understand why on that date Independence will be declaret and recognized.

We can simply declare independence at any time, but we are also thhankfull to the west for all done for us, and will simply follow their instructions and declare the independence when they say are ready... On all this we could say "Better ever than never" right...

Princip, Tatiana etc, etc:
I actually feel it is a waist of time to talk any longer about the independence of Kosova, but what the heck. One last time can't hurt and I might as well enlighten you a bit in the process and disperse any naive expectations you seem to cling on to.
What Rehn is talking about concerns the modalities and technical aspects of making Kosova independent and not the actual status of Kosova. A decision on that has already been made and if B92 were not so biased in that they never post things that might make the Serbs feel bad they would have reported that Condi Rice stated yesterday in FoxNews that Serbia and Kosova are absolutely gonna go their separate ways. No two ways about it, she said.
Waiting for Tadic's reelection was always one of the measures that had to be undertaken in order to help you guys and save you from a Radical president. That's all. The second round of those elections is in February 3 so it makes perfect sense to wait till early March with the independence. That will give the EU time to set up its own mission and find the necessary funds. In the meantime Kosova is de facto independent. Let Kostunica show his face in Prishtina and you will get proof of that assertion.
And in case you had any doubts here is a list of countries that have publicly claimed that Kosova is gonna be independent:
USA,UK, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, Holland, Austria...
Who have you got? Russia and Cyprus. What a couple!
The only uncertainty concerns the North, but not the rest of Kosova.

I agree completely with nikshala, 3-4 months do not make a difference in the long run. What's important is that the major European countries have already decided and stated their unwavering support for the Ahtisari plan and supervised independence.

Princip,

What good is sovreignty when you cant exercise it?

The fact that you insist on sovreignty, although you know very well that you will never be able to exercise it in Kosova, means that all you are interested in is the dream of "Velika Srbija", so that when you look up Serbia on a map, its bigger than other countries in the western Ballkans.

There is no EU unity now, there will not be EU unity in the spring. Serbia is a rock on which empires break. The Ottomans and Austro-Hungarians know this very well. The EU and Americans are soon to find out.
Cheers!
(Dragan, 13 December 2007 14:34)

dragan,
you're so far in DENIAL that you're actually in the suaz canal.
i rather enjoy your humor from time to time. i didn't realize that serbia single-handedly brought down both the turks and the austrians? wow! truly a very impressive feat! i'm just curious when the historians are going to update history and publish your new found "facts."

US and EU should not work only on Kosova's independence. They should work more to civilize the Balkans. They should remind to the Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Montenegrins what they did during the wars. No words of hatred should be allowed to be spoken on TV or written on newspapers. History books should be revised. Nationalist parties banned. Only like that we will all be safe.

Princip,

You are piece of work. You just take a paragraph and interpret it in favor of your position. This happens over and over and over again.

Serbia could perfectly well declare it self..PART OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION!!! What THEN!! I think the EU (not the US) is NOW RISKING..TO MUCH!!There will be not ONE, but SEVERAL PANDORA boxes if KOSOVO is allowed to declare Independance... WITHOUT a UNSC. RESOLUTION!!!
Ernst-Germany

Don’t worry nikshala. North is going nowhere. Serbia does not want north of Kosova since it will come with its population.
Also EU and US don’t want to start that kind of unstable policy. Separating north from Kosova would mean joining Presheva, Bujanoc and Medvegja with Kosova.
I would also agree with you that this separation with Serbia will be permanent and it would not matter if it is 22 Dec, 22 January but no longer than 3 of February. I would not like for the independence to go beyond 3 of February.

So, 3rd of February 2008 Kosova will declare its independence

Mr. Shelmerdine-Boskovic,

I am a bit flabbergasted on your take on the "well organized Serb nation" having the moral high ground for some onslaught soon-to-come (I am assuming you are referring against Kosovar Albanians). I am having a hard time figuring out as to what you exactly are implying.

Could you please elaborate on this a little bit? I am sure a lot of other readers would like to hear your exact opinion on that matter.

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Jeton

Kosovo is lost in 1999!

The biggest task for us K-Albanians is how to accommodate K-Serbs in Kosovo institutions!It will be a bigger job then the date to declare independence!

We want to live with K-Serbs and other non-Albanians.

I know that there is not trust or will to live together.Because of that it will be a "supervised independence".

The biggest problem for K-Serbs to integrate with others is that until 1999 they used to "control" Kosovo.You could say they were only 10%,but they had the best jobs,even though not enough qualifications!They held the best positions in any area in then Kosovo institution.Us K-Albanians showed them to much respect!

Even despite that,in my opinion they should have a dual citizenship!In this "trial" period when Kosovo will be a supervised,they would have a choice to choose which government to join!

How conveniently you leave the Albanians out of your list as if they have no blood on their hands and they are the Innocent victims of the Balkans, its become a tired old story and slowly but surely the world is getting wise to you and is starting to realize through the truth what the Albanians did too. Cry us river Toni, lets hear your sob story.
(Canadian, 13 December 2007 21:06)

i find it funny how serbs constantly complain about albanians playing the role of "the victim." i remember your LATE, GREAT slobo whining on cnn telling viewers that albanians were fleeing kosove to avoid the nato bombs and not the serb military who was there to "help and aid" the albanians.

You Serbs (from the camp) seem to have SMS (short memory syndrome). Tell me how many countries were for recognition of Croatia and Bosnia..and how quickly everyone changed their mind. If you think Russia or Cyprus can change the will of the people than you my friend live in happy-land. Kosova is already de-facto independent, what everyone is trying to do is get it internationally recognized.

Now who said that Russia would cut the gas line to Europe? Did you read the article where EU is defying Russia..as we speak? All of this over lunch.

Here is where Russia stands http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/guides/457000/457038/img/1182424324.gif

The Finnish newspaper Uutispaiva Demari acknowledged it had misquoted Rehn
as saying Kosovo's final status had been "postponed until early spring".
Maybe an apology is expected from B92 for misguiding it’s reader

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsMaps/idUSL1320726920071213?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

B92 title
Rehn: No Kosovo decision until spring?
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=12&dd=13&nav_id=46149

So this is EU unity decision - put it off till end of March! The EU message is loud and clear we understand respect Serbia's continued sovereignity but the US still wish to give false assurance and have not worked a way around to tell those they gave false promises to.

Oh dear where is Ceku, Sediju and Thaci now with their by then immediatly, by then within a few days, by then within a month........

I think the fact that a couple of thousand turned up in Prishtina demanding immediate secession the other day suggests the ordinary citizen in Serbia's province understand the reality of the State they are in!

Its teh 13th December 2007 and I am looking forward to 2008 secure in the knowledge that Serbia's Sovereignity and international norms and laws are to be continued for years to come!

Ok, now EU found elections in Serbia as an excuse to postpone the decision making on Kosovo status. What will be an excuse in the spring when EU fail again to find unified stand on this issue. Nothing will change in Serbian policy towards the Kosovo policy whoever rule over Serbia. What are they afraid of? Do they think that if radiclas win the elections they are going to induce the war? I personaly doubt. When it comes to Kosovo all parties in Serbia have unified stand exept LDP(who has no chance of wining anything). No one will sign that blatant robbery.

Rest assured Nikshala when the world has other more pressing issues and the ethnic Albanians are no longer of use to their puppet masters in the US and UK.... then Kosovo with be avenged 'yet' again. It wont take 500 years this time. It must be chilling to know that without external help Kosovo cannot hope to resist an onslaught from a well organised Serbian nation who have the moral highground. Enjoy you're independence... i doubt the next generation of Albanians will do so.

There is no EU unity now, there will not be EU unity in the spring. Serbia is a rock on which empires break. The Ottomans and Austro-Hungarians know this very well. The EU and Americans are soon to find out.
Cheers!

Nick said >> "What good is sovereignty when you cant exercise it?"

Nick surely you are aware that just the other day Minister Samardzic from Belgrade simply walked into Kosovo and opened a new Government office without any interference from NATO. My dear Friend I think that is exercising sovereignty!

Its over the bluff was called, there was no Independence on December 10th there will be no Independence in March 2008 unless Serbia hands Kosovo over legally which well never happen. The EU will NEVER destroy international law for Albanians and the USA will never recognize you without the EU.

why tadic?
when kosova declares independence, he will not do anything objective and still be pro west, he will just follow legal way.

while koshtunica and co can bring the country on russia orbit.

Ask your self when will Turkey join the EU? The answer is never. The EU are Muslim-phobic.
(Canadian, 14 December 2007 19:28)
i agree w/you about turkey not joining the EU but not because it's inhabited by muslims. regardless of their humanitarian issues and other roadblocks. they simply are NOT european. nato is a different story all together. you don't see germany attempting to join the arab league.
albanians, on the other hand, are europeans and just because many of them are muslims it shouldn't discourage their eventual membership.

Not even the UK can get around the legal soverignity of Serbia over its province;

"On Kosovo, the prime minister said "supervised independence" was his preferred way of proceeding, and he hoped Serbia would accommodate the Kosovar population's wish to break free. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7141810.stm

Note "preferred way" and hopes Serbia will "accomodate" . Thus with no accomodation no preferred way - I guess we will hear another new deadline - Dec 20008 perhaps ?

Nikshala
U need 27 out of 27. Even 1 less means end to independence. Since this is how it played out, thats the end of that chapter. This was EU telling u to sit down and shut up.

mr nik is so optimistic. let me remind you that in most cases where decision is delayed, this means undecisiveness and lack of political will. this leads usually to negative results be it in business or politics. its really very hard to decide because of the double standard issue which may arise.

When it comes to Kosovo all parties in Serbia have unified stand except LDP(who has no chance of wining anything). No one will sign that blatant robbery.
(bmrusila, 13 December 2007 12:13)

bmrusila, I fully agree with you but it seems the Americans feel that if Tadio wins he will easily sell out Kosovo another blundering mistake by the Americans, they consistently underestimate Serbia and its people. The EU breaking international law was all a bluff and Serbia called it. The only way the EU will recognize Kosovo is if Tadic gives it away and that is not going to happen because Tadic knows that if he ever did that he wouldn't last two more days in office. I give Tadic more credit than the Americans and some Serbians.

To nikshala.

Ya you keep on waiting. Like you said you have "gotten used to it."

'I fully agree with you but it seems the Americans feel that if Tadio wins he will easily sell out Kosovo another blundering mistake by the Americans, they consistently underestimate Serbia and its people.'

they were saying the same about him four years ago, 'tadic wants someone to just impose a solution so that he doesnt have to' blablabla voa 'experts', i remember it clearly. kos albanians would like nothing better than nikolic to win. they would be independent today if milo was in office for just a year or two longer. but a democratic, normal serbia that you see it tadic, thats hard to treat like dirt. therefore: do not make silly assumptions. tadic is deeply and seriously committed to this country and its obvious to anyone who wants to see. our enemies will cheer if nikolic wins. but he aint winning :)

"We can simply declare independence at any time, but we are also thhankfull to the west for all done for us, and will simply follow their instructions "
(predictor, 13 December 2007 13:46)"

yeah! =)

follow your orders! prove how independent you actually "de facto" are! *lol*

I can still remember how "predictor" introduced himself here as a "non-albanian" in his first comment!

=)

Mark
"dragan,
you're so far in DENIAL that you're actually in the suaz canal."

Cyprus said it will never recognise no matter how much pressure they r under. Therefor, only on in denile here is you. Maybe you should read the articles before posting comments. I cant see how you missed such an important detail.

toni,

How conveniently you leave the Albanians out of your list as if they have no blood on their hands and they are the Innocent victims of the Balkans, its become a tired old story and slowly but surely the world is getting wise to you and is starting to realize through the truth what the Albanians did too. Cry us river Toni, lets hear your sob story.

Cyprus said it will never recognise no matter how much pressure they r under. Therefor, only on in denile here is you. Maybe you should read the articles before posting comments. I cant see how you missed such an important detail.
(Cvele, 13 December 2007 20:55)

watch, read and listen and you yourself will witness what you describe as "never" transform itself into a nation. let's call it "birth of a nation." i hope mr adam smith will allow the courtesy :)

RE: Independance and the UN.

(1) Unilateral Independance-EU Support

At this present moment, Cyprus will never agree to independant Kosovo, Spain, Slovakia, Romania and Greece will continue to wait and see while not immediately recognizing Kosovo. Other countries such as Bulgaria, Hungary,FYROM, Czech and Poland are not fully on board.

(2) United Nations

If "Unilateral Indpendance" is rammed through by the EU and the US, how will the UN be circumvented? How will the illegal nation of Kosovo gain a UN Seat? Russia or China will never be signatory to a UN resolution to an illegal Kosovo state.

(3) What will be the reaction of the US and EU if Serbia decided to allow Russian bases in Serbia?

(4) What will be the US and EU reaction if Dodik and the Republika Srpksa decided to declare unilateral independance at the same precise moment the illegal state of Kosovo decides to do so.

Serbia's diplomatic reaction to the possible illegal unilateral declaration of indpendance is ready, is the EU, US and Kosovo ready to face the consequences of it's illegal actions.

NEVER ENDING STORY SO IT GOES...dec 10 has passed, then now comes spring. but what year it doesnt say. these are all politics my friends.

It is obvious what is going on.
The "decision" to wait, is in actual effect a clever ploy that is designed to get the Albanian extremists in Kosmet to commence yet another pogrom against the remaining serbs, monasteries and graveyards.
Once this happens, and it will, even America will turn its back on the Albanians and the serbian army will restore order under NATO's auspices as a partner for Peace.

And this whole episode can placed in the dustbin of history where it belongs.

Well i guess the EU got scared of Russia and clammed up until spring. I figured there would be more comments concerning this case yes Nik 3 or 4 months year it will eventually happen unless some dummy get mad and start to kick it off.

"26 out of 27 EU countries"

mate, you got 4 out of 5 in the un security council. and look where that got you.

Ahmet if you really want to know when independence will declared you need to ask Mr Thaci and giving dates is kind of the way Agim Ceku lost his credibility just like fatimir sedjiu. Mr Thaci will pass the word when he make his declaration not some guy or gal hiding behind a name like Ahmet isufi who probably does not exist anyway. Jean Claude has spoken

blah blah blah hot air and wind!!!
Independence is neither justified nor deserved this is modern europe for christs sake or for allahs sake at that don't want to seem prejudicial!

No amount of jaw war by rightwing fanactics is going to change any thing ( yes that includes you mr Anthony Shelmerdine UK i did assume this to be an anagram but for the life of me can't seem to find any sensible solution!)

so may be its time to actually consider the people there regardless of whether they are christian muslim and finally realise that independence or not they will still have to live together!!!!!

B92, explain why you omitted the part where Rehn said he was certain talks would continue?

Exactly who are you working for?

I'm sorry but i, myself, have had to ask, what is this whole farcade about the EU having any sort of say in the status quo? Kosovo independence is in no way up to the EU, or the US or anyone else for that matter unless the UN hands over the decision to those groups... which i find impossible as that would clearly be an attack against the rights and views of the serbian people. Yes that is true, the way politics are and our russian allies we will have no hesitation turning serbia into a russian state... just as kosovo is going to be turned into a puppet state of the western countries. Where else could america place the "anti-iranian" missile defence systems? A lot closer to russia than what they had previously proposed. I cannot for the life of me understand this albanian propaganda. It just doesnt make even the slightest bit of sense as to how the US can give fake promises to these people and string them along. It doesnt matter how many countries agree to it when those countries would be going against the laws which they themselves are governed.

You Serbs (from the camp) seem to have SMS (short memory syndrome). Tell me how many countries were for recognition of Croatia and Bosnia..and how quickly everyone changed their mind.

KS, Croatia was not predominately Muslim, and in fact neither was Bosnia since the Muslim population in Bosnia was pretty even with the Catholic and Orthodox followers. Ask your self when will Turkey join the EU? The answer is never. The EU are Muslim-phobic.