Ruecker slams opening of Serbian govt. office in Kosovo

Yes, the Serbian Government has evey right to open a Office on its territory, no matter what the Albanians or the UN and USA say.Zivela Serbia!!

oh boy, how fast 1244 is gettin´valid again ...

what will he say when the army starts getting in?

If Ruecker advocates and supports UN Security Council Resolution 1244, can we shortly expect to see Serbia's troops in Kosovo province to protect Serb property - and which NATO troops seem both incapable and unwilling to do - as outlined by the resolution he supports?

It is OK to invoke 1244 or not at Mr. R's discression. It is OK for EU to attempt to put in an office, not in accord with Res. 1244. It IS NOT OK for Serbia to put in an office in its own (still) country. It is OK for Saudi Arabia to put in offices under religious pretexes to promote destruction of centries-old Serbian religious sites and on their place put in Islamic ones, or Wahabi training camps, whichever way you choose to recognize it. It is OK to create a new state that has shown absolutely no tolerance for multi-ethnicity, religious tolerance, human rights, laws, etc., yet constantly accuse Serbia (that is trying hard to show that it is not "Milosevic's") of the very crimes that are rampant in and supported by UNMIK Albanian-ruled Kosovo.
Europe and the US demands tolerance of various ethnic societies and religions, but not when it involves Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo. How tragic!

Oh Mr.Ruecker-worry about parading those two Sejdiu and Thaci around UN and NY,since you know who their arm suppliers are and who are all still in NY.
And let us worry that you don`t help them steal Serbian land.

Europe's entire intervention in Kosovo is an illegal act which violates the laws set forth in the Helsinki Final Act. Now all of a sudden they care about the law?

There is nothin illeagl in opening the governmen's office. According to resolution 1244 Serbia has every right to do it. Also according to 1244 Serbia has right to send certain number of its forces. However, it is good thing that they acknowledge resolution 1244 as the only legal resolution on Kosovo. This was an excellent move by Serbian government.

They cant protect the Serbs and acuse us of provocation? You are time in Kosovo has come and gone. CCCC Kosta - Zivela Srbija

Unilateral actions from Pristina are met with unilateral actions from Belgrade. Don't think you can cut through the gas station and avoid the red light, and get angry when someone else does the same.

Both sides are clearly collecting their chips before the hand is called. The Albanian government never controlled anything north of the Ibar and even if northern Kosovo stays within Kosovo, it will be virtually autonomous from anything coming out of Pristina.

IF anyone is really interested, here is a link to UNSCR1244:
http://www.nato.int/kosovo/docu/u990610a.htm

Nowhere does it say it is time limited (i.e. expires after 5 years)

It DOES require a full demilitarization of the KLA and other paramilitary groups (clauses 9b & 15). Has that happened? Hahahaha, of course not.

It does require the immediate repatriation of all displaced people and immediate efforts to prepare for their safe repatriation (clauses 9c & 13). Has THAT happened. No of course not, 220,000 Serbs are STILL DISPLACED.

It provides for "transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic self-governing institutions"

To be clear, NO mention of INDEPENDENCE here.

Clause 11a "Promoting the establishment, pending a final settlement, of substantial autonomy" NOT Independence necessarily.

Length of mission determined by clause 19, "Decides that the international civil and security presences are established for an initial period of 12 months, to continue thereafter unless the Security Council decides otherwise"

In plain English, for as long as the UN says.

SCR1244 is clear. Why don't you read it.

I have been noticing for quite a while of the Serbs behavior to wards the laws they like to pick and choose.When it is in the Serbs favor they follow the Law when it is not its completely neglected and trashed put aside or deny knowing anything about them.

How funny that the people that have been saying 1244 is null and void for all this time, are now the very same people rushing to defend it when Serbia reopens an office.

How ironic that this passes as "illegal", a "provocation", and a "childish" act from Belgrade, and yet an "illegal" act of separation, "provocative" actions taken by Albanians since 1999, and "childish" posturing behind the big guns of the United States, will undoubtedly be written in Albanian history books as noble deeds by their Founding Fathers.

Yep, Monty Python. I swear, this entire circus could be one long Argument Clinic skit.

One has to ponder the questions; why is Germany so involed with internal Serbian affairs? Is Germany the great peace-maker? What does history teach? Can the German lead EU Empire consolidate power without controling the Western Balkans and the Serbs? Answer these questions and the truth becomes obvious!

What's illegal is -

*Ruecker making any comment about what's happening with the Serbian government on Serbian land.
*albanians flying their flag on a government building in SERBIAN KosovO
*albanians actually thinking that they will get KosovO.
*albanians getting a UNMIK passport & a "diplomatic" will you exemption from any accountability.
*Hague tribunal criminals getting elected into office

Who cares what this guy says?

Please Rucker lets bring this up in the UN SC and see who is right - which version are you reading of 1244 - the ICG one perhaps.

I challenge any of the commentators who suggest this is against UN SC Resolution 1244 to point out where it suggests that Serbia cannot have its own governemental offices - please show us all and help your Mr Rucker with his false claim. Where exactly does it say in 1244 this is illegal ?

All I will say is expect many more offices very soon across all of the Serbian province - north and south, east and west!

This will just play into the Serbian position that this is now discussed in the UN - yes Rucker lets discuss it immediatly!!!

Of course he will be told to keep shut as we all know the full truth that Serbia can do as it wishes in its Sovereign territory all that 1244 states is that it must withdraw troops but then allows them to return!!!

Yes Mr Ruecker. Go to the UN and see what Russia and China tell you.

Did any one of you acctually read 1244 .Well I guess not,cuz 1244 has expired 5 years after it was signed.And 1244 gives the right to Kosovars to declare indipendence after 5 years.And does not allow serbia to run or get involved in unmik,s affairs in any way that includes opening ambassy in in the territory of Ksovo.REGARDS
(uncletonny

-Now I learnt that resolutions have expiry date. Please people can anyone tell me where to find that part which says that after 5 years Albanians have right to proclame independence. I honestly have not pop up on such claims in resolution 1244.

Hey uncletonny, are you sure you have been reading resolution 1244 or some other resolution written just to make Albanians happy???

Ruecker not only does not have a clue about Resolution 1244, he will further embarress himself by going to the UN for clarrification.

It is a good example how leaders of Kosovo are dealing with BG's tactics.People would like it or not Pristina's leaders seem they are far ahead democraticly and politicaly from some of the ex Yugoslavian ex republics.
Wish them luck and prossperity!

jesus...

Joe is once again ejecting his hatred in this forum...

others are dreaming of UNSC-resolutions with temporal expiration...

and all of them are fooling themselves...

it´s really weird watching those sad guys writing about their illusions...

UNSC 1244 is very clear, my dear.

I´d like to learn which part of it you do not understand....that is really strange though.

nimn is right on this.

and I also agree with Princip.

we will see what the UNSC will say...Mr.Ruecker isn´t really a relevant factor...

the Albanians still believe that those UNMIK-guys would help them...
they should better ask Bedri Shabani, the albanian customs-officer who got fired by the UN after he reported corruption even turned to Mr. Annan in that case.

then, perhaps, smarter Albanian wouldn´t cheer up if some Mr.Ruecker opens his mouth at all...

the bottomline is:
it´s still to early to expect reasonable comments here... from the albanian side. there is still too much fanatism...

I would like to quote a Serbian poet whom I do not have a name for.
If Kosovo is not ours, why are they asking us to give it up? If it is theirs, why are they taking it by force? And if they can take it by force, why they are so circumspect about it?"
Indeed wise words WHY is the question.Albanian side show me the law that Srbija is breaking.Show me the deed to Kosovo-Metohija that says it is or has ever been Albanian.I know whenAlbanian posters say Kosovo-Metohija is ours and has never been Serbijas they do it because it sounds good to them rather
rather than having any basisi in reality.Srbija is doing the a favor in demanding to keep it because when the day comes to join the EU they will go with us rather than stay out if they are able to steal the land.So please say thank you for this gift.You are welcome.

"Yes, the Serbian Government has evey right to open a Office on its territory, no matter what the Albanians or the UN and USA say.Zivela Serbia!!"

Yes K-Albanians have every right to declare independence on their territory where they and their ancestors have been living for centuries.

I thought Serbia was against any unilateral moves? This is a pathetic move anyway. If they wanted partition they should have put it on the table during "negotiations". Now is too little to late.

1244 is it null & void or isn't it. Can you people make up your minds. Joe whats the % of Serbs in Voivodina now? More than you know.

Do you guys read 1244 in some weird Albanian translation?

Serbia has made a good, strong move. Bravo.

Too bad Thaci will have to sit outside the UNSC. Albanian Kosovo doesn't exist in the UN. Perhaps he can be a representative of the Albanian Government in Albania.

Do you guys read 1244 in some weird Serbian translation?

Serbia isn't allowed to open an office without consulting UNMIK or UN, we all know that.

KFOR is too soft to respond to this latest Serbian provocation. They should have closed this office right away.
What are they waiting for? If it is intended as a Serbian consulate that it was opened few weeks too early.

Did any one of you acctually read 1244 .Well I guess not,cuz 1244 has expired 5 years after it was signed.And 1244 gives the right to Kosovars to declare indipendence after 5 years.And does not allow serbia to run or get involved in unmik,s affairs in any way that includes opening ambassy in in the territory of Ksovo.REGARDS

he could do a slam dunk all we care...

I admire the political maturity of our kosovan politicans for not reacting in any inflamatory way to this blatant and childish provocation coming from Koshtunica & Co.

It goes to show that there is absolutetly no way Kosovo could remain part of Serbia. How would the politicans of two sides co-operate, when you have such immature and provocative politicans in Serbia?

I guess the albanian 'peasants' 'war criminal' politicans are outsmarting the devine and super-intelegent-democratic serbian politicans and clearly winning the diplomacy game, day by day.

Impact zone
Oh yes we can... resolution 1244.

This issue will be dealt with accordingly from UNMIK and Kosovo authorities alike, in a way that unfolds Serbia's provocative plans.

Joe whats the % of Serbs in Voivodina now? More than you know.
(Delije, 12 December 2007 22:07)

Who cares about the fact that serbs are the overwhelming majority in Vojvodina. Albanians are also the majority in Kosovo, but you serbs don't really care. Now, it is you that have to make up your mind: is it the historical or the demographical right which have to prevail. You choose: Kosovo or Vojvodina. You can't have it both ways.

Oh no he is upset... what should we do now??? How about show him the destruction albanians did to our holy sites - under "their" protection!

These kinds of statements only tell one thing - Serbian province of KiM is under occupation.

Unilateral action of Serbia are into direct collision with NATO.

Before 1244 was the right of human beings to live and that was denied by the Serbian military, government, state even by serbian citizens to thousands of people in Kosovo. Did anybody think about that before writing here?

Yes Mr Ruecker. Go to the UN and see what Russia and China tell you.
(peggy, 12 December 2007 21:00)

alas, china and russia. now here are two governments renowned for their place in the geopolitical world. often considered beacons of hope for doing their due diligence in the arena of humanitarian rights.

I have been noticing for quite a while of the Serbs behavior to wards the laws they like to pick and choose.When it is in the Serbs favor they follow the Law when it is not its completely neglected and trashed put aside or deny knowing anything about them.

"Yes, the Serbian Government has evey right to open a Office on its territory, no matter what the Albanians or the UN and USA say.Zivela Serbia!!"

Yes K-Albanians have every right to declare independence on their territory where they and their ancestors have been living for centuries.

I thought Serbia was against any unilateral moves? This is a pathetic move anyway. If they wanted partition they should have put it on the table during "negotiations". Now is too little to late.

KFOR is too soft to respond to this latest Serbian provocation. They should have closed this office right away.
What are they waiting for? If it is intended as a Serbian consulate that it was opened few weeks too early.

This issue will be dealt with accordingly from UNMIK and Kosovo authorities alike, in a way that unfolds Serbia's provocative plans.

I admire the political maturity of our kosovan politicans for not reacting in any inflamatory way to this blatant and childish provocation coming from Koshtunica & Co.

It goes to show that there is absolutetly no way Kosovo could remain part of Serbia. How would the politicans of two sides co-operate, when you have such immature and provocative politicans in Serbia?

I guess the albanian 'peasants' 'war criminal' politicans are outsmarting the devine and super-intelegent-democratic serbian politicans and clearly winning the diplomacy game, day by day.

Do you guys read 1244 in some weird Serbian translation?

Serbia isn't allowed to open an office without consulting UNMIK or UN, we all know that.

Did any one of you acctually read 1244 .Well I guess not,cuz 1244 has expired 5 years after it was signed.And 1244 gives the right to Kosovars to declare indipendence after 5 years.And does not allow serbia to run or get involved in unmik,s affairs in any way that includes opening ambassy in in the territory of Ksovo.REGARDS

It is a good example how leaders of Kosovo are dealing with BG's tactics.People would like it or not Pristina's leaders seem they are far ahead democraticly and politicaly from some of the ex Yugoslavian ex republics.
Wish them luck and prossperity!

Unilateral action of Serbia are into direct collision with NATO.

Yes, the Serbian Government has evey right to open a Office on its territory, no matter what the Albanians or the UN and USA say.Zivela Serbia!!

Please Rucker lets bring this up in the UN SC and see who is right - which version are you reading of 1244 - the ICG one perhaps.

I challenge any of the commentators who suggest this is against UN SC Resolution 1244 to point out where it suggests that Serbia cannot have its own governemental offices - please show us all and help your Mr Rucker with his false claim. Where exactly does it say in 1244 this is illegal ?

All I will say is expect many more offices very soon across all of the Serbian province - north and south, east and west!

This will just play into the Serbian position that this is now discussed in the UN - yes Rucker lets discuss it immediatly!!!

Of course he will be told to keep shut as we all know the full truth that Serbia can do as it wishes in its Sovereign territory all that 1244 states is that it must withdraw troops but then allows them to return!!!

Yes Mr Ruecker. Go to the UN and see what Russia and China tell you.

One has to ponder the questions; why is Germany so involed with internal Serbian affairs? Is Germany the great peace-maker? What does history teach? Can the German lead EU Empire consolidate power without controling the Western Balkans and the Serbs? Answer these questions and the truth becomes obvious!

What's illegal is -

*Ruecker making any comment about what's happening with the Serbian government on Serbian land.
*albanians flying their flag on a government building in SERBIAN KosovO
*albanians actually thinking that they will get KosovO.
*albanians getting a UNMIK passport & a "diplomatic" will you exemption from any accountability.
*Hague tribunal criminals getting elected into office

Who cares what this guy says?

Did any one of you acctually read 1244 .Well I guess not,cuz 1244 has expired 5 years after it was signed.And 1244 gives the right to Kosovars to declare indipendence after 5 years.And does not allow serbia to run or get involved in unmik,s affairs in any way that includes opening ambassy in in the territory of Ksovo.REGARDS
(uncletonny

-Now I learnt that resolutions have expiry date. Please people can anyone tell me where to find that part which says that after 5 years Albanians have right to proclame independence. I honestly have not pop up on such claims in resolution 1244.

Hey uncletonny, are you sure you have been reading resolution 1244 or some other resolution written just to make Albanians happy???

Joe whats the % of Serbs in Voivodina now? More than you know.
(Delije, 12 December 2007 22:07)

Who cares about the fact that serbs are the overwhelming majority in Vojvodina. Albanians are also the majority in Kosovo, but you serbs don't really care. Now, it is you that have to make up your mind: is it the historical or the demographical right which have to prevail. You choose: Kosovo or Vojvodina. You can't have it both ways.

Before 1244 was the right of human beings to live and that was denied by the Serbian military, government, state even by serbian citizens to thousands of people in Kosovo. Did anybody think about that before writing here?

Yes Mr Ruecker. Go to the UN and see what Russia and China tell you.
(peggy, 12 December 2007 21:00)

alas, china and russia. now here are two governments renowned for their place in the geopolitical world. often considered beacons of hope for doing their due diligence in the arena of humanitarian rights.

he could do a slam dunk all we care...

There is nothin illeagl in opening the governmen's office. According to resolution 1244 Serbia has every right to do it. Also according to 1244 Serbia has right to send certain number of its forces. However, it is good thing that they acknowledge resolution 1244 as the only legal resolution on Kosovo. This was an excellent move by Serbian government.

They cant protect the Serbs and acuse us of provocation? You are time in Kosovo has come and gone. CCCC Kosta - Zivela Srbija

If Ruecker advocates and supports UN Security Council Resolution 1244, can we shortly expect to see Serbia's troops in Kosovo province to protect Serb property - and which NATO troops seem both incapable and unwilling to do - as outlined by the resolution he supports?

Oh Mr.Ruecker-worry about parading those two Sejdiu and Thaci around UN and NY,since you know who their arm suppliers are and who are all still in NY.
And let us worry that you don`t help them steal Serbian land.

Unilateral actions from Pristina are met with unilateral actions from Belgrade. Don't think you can cut through the gas station and avoid the red light, and get angry when someone else does the same.

Both sides are clearly collecting their chips before the hand is called. The Albanian government never controlled anything north of the Ibar and even if northern Kosovo stays within Kosovo, it will be virtually autonomous from anything coming out of Pristina.

It is OK to invoke 1244 or not at Mr. R's discression. It is OK for EU to attempt to put in an office, not in accord with Res. 1244. It IS NOT OK for Serbia to put in an office in its own (still) country. It is OK for Saudi Arabia to put in offices under religious pretexes to promote destruction of centries-old Serbian religious sites and on their place put in Islamic ones, or Wahabi training camps, whichever way you choose to recognize it. It is OK to create a new state that has shown absolutely no tolerance for multi-ethnicity, religious tolerance, human rights, laws, etc., yet constantly accuse Serbia (that is trying hard to show that it is not "Milosevic's") of the very crimes that are rampant in and supported by UNMIK Albanian-ruled Kosovo.
Europe and the US demands tolerance of various ethnic societies and religions, but not when it involves Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo. How tragic!

Europe's entire intervention in Kosovo is an illegal act which violates the laws set forth in the Helsinki Final Act. Now all of a sudden they care about the law?

oh boy, how fast 1244 is gettin´valid again ...

what will he say when the army starts getting in?

How funny that the people that have been saying 1244 is null and void for all this time, are now the very same people rushing to defend it when Serbia reopens an office.

How ironic that this passes as "illegal", a "provocation", and a "childish" act from Belgrade, and yet an "illegal" act of separation, "provocative" actions taken by Albanians since 1999, and "childish" posturing behind the big guns of the United States, will undoubtedly be written in Albanian history books as noble deeds by their Founding Fathers.

Yep, Monty Python. I swear, this entire circus could be one long Argument Clinic skit.

1244 is it null & void or isn't it. Can you people make up your minds. Joe whats the % of Serbs in Voivodina now? More than you know.

IF anyone is really interested, here is a link to UNSCR1244:
http://www.nato.int/kosovo/docu/u990610a.htm

Nowhere does it say it is time limited (i.e. expires after 5 years)

It DOES require a full demilitarization of the KLA and other paramilitary groups (clauses 9b & 15). Has that happened? Hahahaha, of course not.

It does require the immediate repatriation of all displaced people and immediate efforts to prepare for their safe repatriation (clauses 9c & 13). Has THAT happened. No of course not, 220,000 Serbs are STILL DISPLACED.

It provides for "transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic self-governing institutions"

To be clear, NO mention of INDEPENDENCE here.

Clause 11a "Promoting the establishment, pending a final settlement, of substantial autonomy" NOT Independence necessarily.

Length of mission determined by clause 19, "Decides that the international civil and security presences are established for an initial period of 12 months, to continue thereafter unless the Security Council decides otherwise"

In plain English, for as long as the UN says.

SCR1244 is clear. Why don't you read it.

jesus...

Joe is once again ejecting his hatred in this forum...

others are dreaming of UNSC-resolutions with temporal expiration...

and all of them are fooling themselves...

it´s really weird watching those sad guys writing about their illusions...

UNSC 1244 is very clear, my dear.

I´d like to learn which part of it you do not understand....that is really strange though.

nimn is right on this.

and I also agree with Princip.

we will see what the UNSC will say...Mr.Ruecker isn´t really a relevant factor...

the Albanians still believe that those UNMIK-guys would help them...
they should better ask Bedri Shabani, the albanian customs-officer who got fired by the UN after he reported corruption even turned to Mr. Annan in that case.

then, perhaps, smarter Albanian wouldn´t cheer up if some Mr.Ruecker opens his mouth at all...

the bottomline is:
it´s still to early to expect reasonable comments here... from the albanian side. there is still too much fanatism...

I would like to quote a Serbian poet whom I do not have a name for.
If Kosovo is not ours, why are they asking us to give it up? If it is theirs, why are they taking it by force? And if they can take it by force, why they are so circumspect about it?"
Indeed wise words WHY is the question.Albanian side show me the law that Srbija is breaking.Show me the deed to Kosovo-Metohija that says it is or has ever been Albanian.I know whenAlbanian posters say Kosovo-Metohija is ours and has never been Serbijas they do it because it sounds good to them rather
rather than having any basisi in reality.Srbija is doing the a favor in demanding to keep it because when the day comes to join the EU they will go with us rather than stay out if they are able to steal the land.So please say thank you for this gift.You are welcome.

Ruecker not only does not have a clue about Resolution 1244, he will further embarress himself by going to the UN for clarrification.

Do you guys read 1244 in some weird Albanian translation?

Serbia has made a good, strong move. Bravo.

Too bad Thaci will have to sit outside the UNSC. Albanian Kosovo doesn't exist in the UN. Perhaps he can be a representative of the Albanian Government in Albania.

Impact zone
Oh yes we can... resolution 1244.

Oh no he is upset... what should we do now??? How about show him the destruction albanians did to our holy sites - under "their" protection!

These kinds of statements only tell one thing - Serbian province of KiM is under occupation.