Kuzmanović on track to become Bosnian Serb president

Lenard,

You could say exactly the same about the Federation, or are you denying all wrong doing by Croats and Bosnians?

I mean yeah it was Serbs vs Civilians wasnt it? It was the Serbs who wanted to break up Yugoslavia right and form an Islamic Bosnia?
My memory is hazy but werent all the Serbs from the Federation cleansed aswell?
Perhaps not, I probably came to the UK from Bihac for the fun of it, God my parents are jokers :)

No, Srpska is based on a 4 war civil war sparked by Muslim separatists who invited in the Croat army (Izetbegovic/Tudjman agreements), and then a division of the main ethnic groups to stop the fighting and a land swap.

The RS has 100s of thousands of refugees and displaced from the Muslim and Croat parts of Bosnia and from Croatia. These refugees and displaced cannot go back to their homes and live safely, nor do most want to anymore as it is peaceful now that those who hated each other are apart.

At the risk of wasting more time on this issue, I feel RS and Kosovo are one and the same as far as territorial entities seeking independence.

Albanian historical memory likes to say that Kosovo was and is a historical component of the Albanian peoples, and a piece of land that was unjustly "stolen" from them by the Big Powers in 1912. What should have gone to Albania, went instead to Serbia. The struggles by the Albanian people in Kosovo, the sacrifices endured, the collaborations made, and the terrorism employed, are all justified because the Albanian people are simply fighting for their historical self-determination and their rights as citizens seeking a better future out from under the heels of a foreign government that has treated them as little more than vermin.

Have I basically got that right Lenard?

OK, now what about RS?

Well according to Serbian historical memory, Bosnia was always seen as a rightful piece of Serbia territory and a historical component of the Serbian nation. Like Kosovo, Bosnia was "snatched" away from its rightful owners by the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1908, specifically because Vienna did not want a powerful and expanded Serbian state right on its doorstep. Similar actions done by Albanians were undertaken by Serbs: terrorism, guerrilla warfare, and political assassinations. What KLA was to the Albanians, Black Hand was to the Serbs.

Both Kosovo and Bosnia are viewed by their respective recipients as rightfully theirs and regard all non-group members as interlopers and occupiers.

Oh, but wait, you say, what about the fact that Albanians were ethnically cleansed from their homeland? Kosova should be given to us because we are the victims. RS was founded on genocide by perpetrators of genocide. Ours is a struggle for liberation. Theirs is a struggle for domination.

Wrong again. Many Serbs could equally play the history game and say that Bosnia, or at least the Bosnian-Serb areas, were prime stomping grounds of the NDH. Ethnic cleansing of Serbs began at the gates on one's own house in NDH-occupied Bosnia and ended at the gates of Jasenovac. By the very same logic employed by many Albanian nationalists - historical stealing, ethnic cleansing, the rights of self determination, and unethical measures to "liberate" our homeland - RS has just as dubiously noble a right to autonomy and/or self determination as Kosovo, and would reach its intended promised land through no less use of historical memory, being victims of ethnic cleansings, and using that to justify brutal reprisals against others.

Woopty do the entity's should be abolished. The Srpska entity is just based on murder ,ethnic cleansing and horrendous injustice meted out on its neighbors with Serbia's criminal involvement. Let true peace democracy and justice reign in Bosnia or their will be no peace for any one.

lenard:

The Serbs tried to keep Jugoslavija together, but we all know what happened and who wanted to separate illegally.

The time should come for RS to separate from the muslim-croat federation.

pm8q your statement is a lie. most voters in the federation would not be Serbs but Muslsims or Croats who lived in Republika Srpska and have the right to choose to vote in RS. All tihs means is they boycotted the vote.

Vuk: The only ones that played a terrible joke on you is the Serbs wonderful intelligentsia leaders and on the rest of former Yugoslavia. We see their grotesque murderess handy work in the 10s of thousands murdered civilians millions brutally expelled. The dirty war mess they made that will take decades to fix or if ever. But the Serbs love to portray them selfs as the helpless innocent victims of their neighbors and the international comunity. How stoled 95% to 99% of the other republics arsenal and used it on them. Why dose it looks like to be Serbia against all the other former Yugoslav Republics or Serbs fighting against all the other ethnicities and religious groups. Are we all just living in a illusions of our making or are the Serbs.

have you noticed that 1.34 percent of the registered voters have voted in the federation,

all over in the fbih were polling stations, for the serbs but almost all did not go there

have you noticed that snds and sds have lost all support among the serbs?

http://www.izbori.ba/

Lenard you advocate an independent Kosovo, but an independent Kosovo = an independent Republika Srpska. Count on it! CCCC

Lenard

You opitimize Albanian comments on the internet.

The reason the JNA was turned on Croatian and Bosnian sepratists was because they wanted to create again "fascist Croatia" and "Islamic Bosnia" there were however far too many Serbs living in those to countries and had no intention of living under the same type of people who had commited genocide against them only 50 years ago.

Yugoslavia was dismantled and created by the same people, your knowledge of the conflict is weak.

On hows reckoning did the Croatians and Bosnian muslimes want to turn the clock back 50 years. Was it Misolevic President of Serbia how wanted nothing else but to stay in power at all cost and hows famous saying to the Serbs... War for Peace. Wear is this imaginary peace that Misolevic dreamet of and the Serbs followed blindly. Only the Serbs rose up against him when he started to be dictator and wanted to turn the Serbs as his slaves.

Woopty do the entity's should be abolished. The Srpska entity is just based on murder ,ethnic cleansing and horrendous injustice meted out on its neighbors with Serbia's criminal involvement. Let true peace democracy and justice reign in Bosnia or their will be no peace for any one.

Vuk: The only ones that played a terrible joke on you is the Serbs wonderful intelligentsia leaders and on the rest of former Yugoslavia. We see their grotesque murderess handy work in the 10s of thousands murdered civilians millions brutally expelled. The dirty war mess they made that will take decades to fix or if ever. But the Serbs love to portray them selfs as the helpless innocent victims of their neighbors and the international comunity. How stoled 95% to 99% of the other republics arsenal and used it on them. Why dose it looks like to be Serbia against all the other former Yugoslav Republics or Serbs fighting against all the other ethnicities and religious groups. Are we all just living in a illusions of our making or are the Serbs.

have you noticed that 1.34 percent of the registered voters have voted in the federation,

all over in the fbih were polling stations, for the serbs but almost all did not go there

have you noticed that snds and sds have lost all support among the serbs?

http://www.izbori.ba/

pm8q your statement is a lie. most voters in the federation would not be Serbs but Muslsims or Croats who lived in Republika Srpska and have the right to choose to vote in RS. All tihs means is they boycotted the vote.

Lenard,

You could say exactly the same about the Federation, or are you denying all wrong doing by Croats and Bosnians?

I mean yeah it was Serbs vs Civilians wasnt it? It was the Serbs who wanted to break up Yugoslavia right and form an Islamic Bosnia?
My memory is hazy but werent all the Serbs from the Federation cleansed aswell?
Perhaps not, I probably came to the UK from Bihac for the fun of it, God my parents are jokers :)

No, Srpska is based on a 4 war civil war sparked by Muslim separatists who invited in the Croat army (Izetbegovic/Tudjman agreements), and then a division of the main ethnic groups to stop the fighting and a land swap.

The RS has 100s of thousands of refugees and displaced from the Muslim and Croat parts of Bosnia and from Croatia. These refugees and displaced cannot go back to their homes and live safely, nor do most want to anymore as it is peaceful now that those who hated each other are apart.

lenard:

The Serbs tried to keep Jugoslavija together, but we all know what happened and who wanted to separate illegally.

The time should come for RS to separate from the muslim-croat federation.

At the risk of wasting more time on this issue, I feel RS and Kosovo are one and the same as far as territorial entities seeking independence.

Albanian historical memory likes to say that Kosovo was and is a historical component of the Albanian peoples, and a piece of land that was unjustly "stolen" from them by the Big Powers in 1912. What should have gone to Albania, went instead to Serbia. The struggles by the Albanian people in Kosovo, the sacrifices endured, the collaborations made, and the terrorism employed, are all justified because the Albanian people are simply fighting for their historical self-determination and their rights as citizens seeking a better future out from under the heels of a foreign government that has treated them as little more than vermin.

Have I basically got that right Lenard?

OK, now what about RS?

Well according to Serbian historical memory, Bosnia was always seen as a rightful piece of Serbia territory and a historical component of the Serbian nation. Like Kosovo, Bosnia was "snatched" away from its rightful owners by the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1908, specifically because Vienna did not want a powerful and expanded Serbian state right on its doorstep. Similar actions done by Albanians were undertaken by Serbs: terrorism, guerrilla warfare, and political assassinations. What KLA was to the Albanians, Black Hand was to the Serbs.

Both Kosovo and Bosnia are viewed by their respective recipients as rightfully theirs and regard all non-group members as interlopers and occupiers.

Oh, but wait, you say, what about the fact that Albanians were ethnically cleansed from their homeland? Kosova should be given to us because we are the victims. RS was founded on genocide by perpetrators of genocide. Ours is a struggle for liberation. Theirs is a struggle for domination.

Wrong again. Many Serbs could equally play the history game and say that Bosnia, or at least the Bosnian-Serb areas, were prime stomping grounds of the NDH. Ethnic cleansing of Serbs began at the gates on one's own house in NDH-occupied Bosnia and ended at the gates of Jasenovac. By the very same logic employed by many Albanian nationalists - historical stealing, ethnic cleansing, the rights of self determination, and unethical measures to "liberate" our homeland - RS has just as dubiously noble a right to autonomy and/or self determination as Kosovo, and would reach its intended promised land through no less use of historical memory, being victims of ethnic cleansings, and using that to justify brutal reprisals against others.

Lenard you advocate an independent Kosovo, but an independent Kosovo = an independent Republika Srpska. Count on it! CCCC

Lenard

You opitimize Albanian comments on the internet.

The reason the JNA was turned on Croatian and Bosnian sepratists was because they wanted to create again "fascist Croatia" and "Islamic Bosnia" there were however far too many Serbs living in those to countries and had no intention of living under the same type of people who had commited genocide against them only 50 years ago.

Yugoslavia was dismantled and created by the same people, your knowledge of the conflict is weak.

On hows reckoning did the Croatians and Bosnian muslimes want to turn the clock back 50 years. Was it Misolevic President of Serbia how wanted nothing else but to stay in power at all cost and hows famous saying to the Serbs... War for Peace. Wear is this imaginary peace that Misolevic dreamet of and the Serbs followed blindly. Only the Serbs rose up against him when he started to be dictator and wanted to turn the Serbs as his slaves.