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Lavrov warns of violence; Solana downplays fears

EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana believes there will be no violence in Kosovo come December 10.

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Branislav

pre 16 godina

There are few people (with good insight) who think that whole system of values in the world will radically change by year 2025-2030. This pushing Serbia to cede what is her lawful territory is just one indication - that something "big" is in the air...There were few comparisons to Munich "agreement" of 1938 (Sudetenland). And there is truth in that - because West was sensing that big change is coming so it started with "usual" distortions of truth...Similar thing is happening to Serbia - which is
in the similar fashion portrayed as troublemaker, and so - Law has to be put aside - because case is "special".
Best thing to do for Serbia is to wait for the big change - which is round the corner. Then true troblemakers will be
exposed - and there will be no one to hide the truth. Our friend G.W.Bush belongs clearely to this "time od deception" which is doomed to
pass, rather soon. To people who have an ear for Astrology - an Hungarian astrologer said "Bush will probably live long enough to see everything he fought (and lied) for crumble to dust."
So Serbs - be patient. Times of greater justice are coming.

Konstantin Gregovic

pre 16 godina

Kosovo Independance:

Any illegal Kosovo independance contrary to UN resolution 1244 will be duly countered including possible unilateral independance of Republika Srpska-this is on the table, it's no secret why Kostunica has been meeting with Dodik.

Bob Petrovich

pre 16 godina

Can someone enlighten me about the latest joke - use of name Dardania from antiquity for present day Kosovo?

Historical Dardania has nothing with present day Kosovo, nor Albanians are descendants of ancient Dardanians, although they childishly pretend to be.

To me, it seems that Albanian
extremists have finally figured out that Kosovo as a Slavic word is a title deed for the land they intend to steal, and now they attempt the theft by calling it differently. Sort of providing new set of forged papers for a stolen property. It may work for cars, but it does not work for the land.

The first time Shqiptars (a.k.a. Albanians) landed in the Balkans, they landed on a Serbian land,in Serbian state, not to Dardania.

Perhaps the beter name would be Dardeljezija,Esterbunnya or Neverland.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

"Arlinda

Very intelligent comment.
(Peter Sudyka, 9 December 2007 17:36)"

Peter, don´t be ironic, some here simply do not understand that!

just say it as it is.

rastabaz

pre 16 godina

independence of kosovo can be easily a pretext for world war 3...ignorant albanians and serbs don't understand that their local conflict of interest can be a disaster for all of us...they can't deal with each other...if they would have possibility they would eat each other alive...so match hate..it a bad bad karma...to be born there in this hate environment...feel sorry for you men. I'm really happy not been involved in all this boring "fight till death" routine. It is just some info on my monitor..

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Doni, for some reason I did not understand well the first part of comment

"and in presevo,albanians are not serbs, remember.
we are not afraid and we can go everywhere alone,despite they my kill us."

I am not sure what did you want to tell by this. I never claimed that Albanians are Serbs.However, Albanians living in Serbia walk freely on the streets and can speak thier language. If you wanted to emphasize how brave you are why just don't you say so-we are so brave that do not care if we gonna be killed. But I think that this is a lie since it is in human psychology to be afraid for own life unless the person is mentally ill. By claimnig this you would never pass any special psyco tests that are necessery to pass in order to join some Military or Police Academy. Fear is phenomenon that is hard to control.

The response on the rest of the comment-Albanians in Kosovo under Serbian rule, haven't been ever treated the way you treat Serbs and other non-Albanians. While in Kosovo for few years I have not seen any frightten Albanian. They were just free to do what ever they liked. They were free to boycotte everything, not to pay electricity, health care, and so on. You felt that was your right to do and you did it. However, you did not need any escort by anyone, you walked freely, you spoke own language, you lived night life visiting clubs, disco, caffe and so on. Your intention to mislead people in this forum is malicious. For the end, I think there is a huge difference between Serbs and Albanians when it comes to the treatment of people. There is huge diffrenece in nearly everything but lets stick now to the treatment.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

"Why can't their grandma or grandpa walk them to school, but waste Nato?"

The question should be asked why does NATO feel the Serbian children need protected?
If this was a peaceful society NATO troops would not need to be there.

Maybe, it is because NATO knows that the threat of violence is a daily possibility and if violence erupts the elderly grandparents cannot phycically protect the children from harm.

doni

pre 16 godina

Can you immagine what does it mean to live behind barbed wires.
brusmila

Albanians can imagine, do serbs?
I think some serb leader talked about ROMAS in his city in serbia.

and in presevo,albanians are not serbs, remember.
we are not afraid and we can go everywhere alone,despite they my kill us.
you think our people, children were not killed, but we are still strong and not complaining because some criminals in your country did it. We allready have sacrificed a lot for our freedom.

now that the shoe is on the other side, you complain, you had 100years oportunity to give us equal rights, now let us try for 100years, and then you can compain to me, if we are still here.

kate

pre 16 godina

Peter - If I thought that my child was in danger I would far rather that they were escorted by an armed Nato soldier than a childminder who doesn't even accept that they may be in danger.

Nato is there to protect people, and has failed on many counts.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Arlinda

I don't know have you ever been to Kosovo and have any truths how does it really look like to be a Serb in Kosovo. Do you understand what does it mean protection by soldiers and no freedom of movement. Do you realy think that tragedy would be prevented if grandma or parents escort their children anywhere. You live in Canada, I live in Serbia and I do not need any protection to walk around bucause no one will hurt me anyhow (unless I pop up on some crazy rapist-maniac). I am trying to tell you that escort by parents does not change anything since parents have to be escorted as well. Can you immagine what does it mean to live behind barbed wires. I hardly can but I can see it. If these soldiers were not there to protect the Serbs would be slaughtered in less than 24 hours. Serbs have to be escorted when going for shoping, when visiting the church, when visiting the cemetaries. The remaining Kosovo Serbs cannot even speak in their language if going out from its enclaves. Your comprasion is not applicable at all. You were talking about the life in normal conditions but Kosovo Serbs live in abnormal conditions. Huge difference! I suggest you to visit Kosovo and if you are brave enough to visit Serbian encalves as well and after wards I invite you to visit Serbia and will be your host. I will take you to Presevo Valley (municipalities inhabited by Albanian majority)to see how Albanians live overthere, free to do what ever it pleases them. After that try to be objective and enough honest to make right comparison.

lids

pre 16 godina

Arlinda,
First of all-you are albanian women and we all know that muslim women and girls do not go anywhere without protection of adults.
Nowhere in Serbia that you`ll see armed guards walking kids to school except to protect them from albanians in Kosovo.
Glad do that you got away.!

Joe

pre 16 godina

lids,

For years the Serbian propoganda tried to make us believe that the K-Serbs suffer hardships. Well watching these wellfed, welldressed, very relaxed happy kids I have the opposite impression. They remind me of the very privileged kids of my gated rich community, who are driven back and forth to an expensive private school by a servant.

Arlinda

pre 16 godina

"This is the most gut wrenching picture and it speaks louder than any politician.Mr Solana take a look at this and ask any albanian were there any time that albanian children were treated this way under Serbian government.
Talk all you want-fact is no Serbian is safe under NATO,albanian rule.
(lids, 9 December 2007 15:14)"
First of all, I was surprised as well when I read that they were Serbian kids, because i thought they were Albanian. Then, as a child, till then age of 17, my parents, or cousins, walked me everywhere in Albania. Even in Canada, I have worked many years as a babysitter because the law states that no child under 12 should be any minute without adult supervision. I got paid a lot $ just to walk a 8-9 year old kid just 5 min to the school, and back home in the afternoon. Why can't their grandma or grandpa walk them to school, but waste Nato?

Mike

pre 16 godina

No one wants violence, particularly Serbia Proper. The last things Serbs need is another endless line of refugees trailing into Serbia, swelling the already overcrowded refugee camps, and draining the coffers to take care of them in the most minimal way possible. Such a sight will undoubtedly galvanize the SRS to sweep the upcoming elections, and probably form a coalition with DSS. At this juncture, giving Kosovo both de facto and de jure independence will certainly do that.

This is such a delicate issue right now, it's not even funny. The slightest provication could spark unrest in one place that would spread like wildfires elsewhere: in Serbia, in Bosnia, in Macedonia. No one wants violence, but no one is really doing anything to prevent the likelihood of violence. I think each side needs to at least expect a little blowback from the other side, but let's not use the slightest provocation as justification for another March 2004.

Arlinda

pre 16 godina

"im not surprised albanians wont support a split of kosovo, they only want to create a greater albania...the days of facism and imperial ideals are long forgotten. if kosovo was granted independence, serbia would by all means as a "minority" split it again and take half of bosnia, im not at all concerned.
(Goran, 9 December 2007 15:11) "

Can't you see that you are contradicting yourself? Even though you know very well that there won't be a Great Albania(a terminology that Serbs have invented), you are the one who speaks of a Greater Serbia.
Who are the fascist here? The Serbs that put a halt at any life development of Albanians. Who are the imperialist? Voislav Sesejl and his 'strategy plans' on how to destroy and disintegrate Albanians are still heroes with posters in Serbia. You have issues that you haven't resolved yet.

Dragan

pre 16 godina

Lavrov said:
"The implementation of this scenario [unliateral independence] could provoke further interethnic contradictions and new violence in the region."

"Against the background of Kosovo developments, the situation is seen to aggravate considerably in other countries of the region, first of all, in Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina. A unilateral solution will inevitably set a precedent for other similar conflicts," Lavrov said in an interview with Cypriot media.
Bravo for telling the US and EU, and the world, the truth! They don't like to hear it, but just keep saying it, eventually they will get the message.

Lids,
I could not agree more. When you look at Serbian children needing military escorts to go to school, it makes you wonder what kind of people albanians are. Under Serb control, albanians had full rights, except those terrorists that were killing Serbian policemen, postmen, and other civilians. It is really, really sad and disgusting that albanians have even killed Serbian children, and military escorts are now needed.

Peter Sudyka,

See Lavrov's comment above. Kosovo WILL be a precedent if the Americans are stupid enough to follow through on unilateral recognition. It will lead to Republika Srpska joining Serbia, north Mitrovica remaining in Serbia, Catalonia and Basques declaring independence, Abkhazia and South Ossetia declaring independence, Kurdistan declaring independence, north Cyprus declaring independence....all because of the 'Kosovo Precedent'.
No more double standards. Justice will prevail over power.

Goran

pre 16 godina

Typical ignorance from you clean cut. I'm not concerned about french troops shooting at serbs, it wont happen. im more concerned about the albanians burning down more monastaries and desecrating more graves... only for KFOR and the rest to stand there and do nothing again...
im not surprised albanians wont support a split of kosovo, they only want to create a greater albania...the days of facism and imperial ideals are long forgotten. if kosovo was granted independence, serbia would by all means as a "minority" split it again and take half of bosnia, im not at all concerned.

LJUBICIC

pre 16 godina

When Croatia and Bosnia declared independance from SRFJ what happened? There is a possibility of conflict, but we will have to wait and see.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

I don't think there will be any violence from either side. At least not on any large scale, I wouldn't even think on a paramilitary scale, most I see is further grave desecrations, attacks and perhaps some arson here and there. I pray NATO does a better job in protecting these symbols of both peoples and cracking down on dissidents.

However one thing I agree with is this:

" "Otherwise we risk undermining the whole UN system and its institutions, and this could create a very dangerous precedent," she said in a reference to the fear that the self-proclaimed Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus could also gain recognition. "

I pray that the EU stick to their "sui generis" argument and do not recognize "Turkish Northern Cyprus". The Turks have illegal military presence in Northern Cyprus and I perfectly understand the concerns of the Cypriot government, despite how Albanian posters here claim Cyprus is insignificant and no one apparently cares about the problem. I hope when Kosovo becomes independent that Cyprus vetoes Turkey's EU ascension for good.

lids

pre 16 godina

This is the most gut wrenching picture and it speaks louder than any politician.Mr Solana take a look at this and ask any albanian were there any time that albanian children were treated this way under Serbian government.
Talk all you want-fact is no Serbian is safe under NATO,albanian rule.

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

I am dying to know how Christine is going to incorperate into Serbia proper, such as: Goarzhdevac, Osejane, etc...?
Nothing is going to happened after December 10, 2007, becasue Kosova will declare its Independence on March 6, 2008. This is the most sacret date that over 50 members of Jashari family were masacred by Serbian forces. This is the deadline for independence my friends.

Christine

pre 16 godina

The only solution I can foresee for Kosovo is partition with the Serbian enclave joining with Serbia and the rest of the province gaining independence or joining with Albania, whichever they choose. They should then be fast-tracked to membership of the European Union. This is the opinion of the British ambassador who was in Belgrade in the latter days of Milosevic. I can sympathise with Serbia's refusal to give up an area which is the cradle of her civilisation. I disagree with the UK government's enthusiam to recognise Kosovo as an independent state. I think Sebia deserves more credit than it usually gets for getting rid of Milosevic and becoming a democratic country.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

There is no real background for violence. Albanians don't want violence. Regular Serbs in Kosova don't want violence. Belgrade has said it doesn't want violence. Everyone has strongly objected violence. So, if tomorrow you see French soldiers shooting at a group of drunken self-proclaimed Serbian militias, don't jump fast into conclusions, but hold onto your promisses of peace.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Mr Solana there will be no violence unless Albanians insire the violence. Well December 10th is tomorrow and as I can see nothing is happening as they promised few days back. Oh, I am wrong, they actually begun with desecrating Serbian graves. I can't even imagine what will be after they really gain independence. Are they ready to be granted independence after such behaviour.

Christine

pre 16 godina

The only solution I can foresee for Kosovo is partition with the Serbian enclave joining with Serbia and the rest of the province gaining independence or joining with Albania, whichever they choose. They should then be fast-tracked to membership of the European Union. This is the opinion of the British ambassador who was in Belgrade in the latter days of Milosevic. I can sympathise with Serbia's refusal to give up an area which is the cradle of her civilisation. I disagree with the UK government's enthusiam to recognise Kosovo as an independent state. I think Sebia deserves more credit than it usually gets for getting rid of Milosevic and becoming a democratic country.

Dragan

pre 16 godina

Lavrov said:
"The implementation of this scenario [unliateral independence] could provoke further interethnic contradictions and new violence in the region."

"Against the background of Kosovo developments, the situation is seen to aggravate considerably in other countries of the region, first of all, in Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina. A unilateral solution will inevitably set a precedent for other similar conflicts," Lavrov said in an interview with Cypriot media.
Bravo for telling the US and EU, and the world, the truth! They don't like to hear it, but just keep saying it, eventually they will get the message.

Lids,
I could not agree more. When you look at Serbian children needing military escorts to go to school, it makes you wonder what kind of people albanians are. Under Serb control, albanians had full rights, except those terrorists that were killing Serbian policemen, postmen, and other civilians. It is really, really sad and disgusting that albanians have even killed Serbian children, and military escorts are now needed.

Peter Sudyka,

See Lavrov's comment above. Kosovo WILL be a precedent if the Americans are stupid enough to follow through on unilateral recognition. It will lead to Republika Srpska joining Serbia, north Mitrovica remaining in Serbia, Catalonia and Basques declaring independence, Abkhazia and South Ossetia declaring independence, Kurdistan declaring independence, north Cyprus declaring independence....all because of the 'Kosovo Precedent'.
No more double standards. Justice will prevail over power.

Goran

pre 16 godina

Typical ignorance from you clean cut. I'm not concerned about french troops shooting at serbs, it wont happen. im more concerned about the albanians burning down more monastaries and desecrating more graves... only for KFOR and the rest to stand there and do nothing again...
im not surprised albanians wont support a split of kosovo, they only want to create a greater albania...the days of facism and imperial ideals are long forgotten. if kosovo was granted independence, serbia would by all means as a "minority" split it again and take half of bosnia, im not at all concerned.

lids

pre 16 godina

This is the most gut wrenching picture and it speaks louder than any politician.Mr Solana take a look at this and ask any albanian were there any time that albanian children were treated this way under Serbian government.
Talk all you want-fact is no Serbian is safe under NATO,albanian rule.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Mr Solana there will be no violence unless Albanians insire the violence. Well December 10th is tomorrow and as I can see nothing is happening as they promised few days back. Oh, I am wrong, they actually begun with desecrating Serbian graves. I can't even imagine what will be after they really gain independence. Are they ready to be granted independence after such behaviour.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Arlinda

I don't know have you ever been to Kosovo and have any truths how does it really look like to be a Serb in Kosovo. Do you understand what does it mean protection by soldiers and no freedom of movement. Do you realy think that tragedy would be prevented if grandma or parents escort their children anywhere. You live in Canada, I live in Serbia and I do not need any protection to walk around bucause no one will hurt me anyhow (unless I pop up on some crazy rapist-maniac). I am trying to tell you that escort by parents does not change anything since parents have to be escorted as well. Can you immagine what does it mean to live behind barbed wires. I hardly can but I can see it. If these soldiers were not there to protect the Serbs would be slaughtered in less than 24 hours. Serbs have to be escorted when going for shoping, when visiting the church, when visiting the cemetaries. The remaining Kosovo Serbs cannot even speak in their language if going out from its enclaves. Your comprasion is not applicable at all. You were talking about the life in normal conditions but Kosovo Serbs live in abnormal conditions. Huge difference! I suggest you to visit Kosovo and if you are brave enough to visit Serbian encalves as well and after wards I invite you to visit Serbia and will be your host. I will take you to Presevo Valley (municipalities inhabited by Albanian majority)to see how Albanians live overthere, free to do what ever it pleases them. After that try to be objective and enough honest to make right comparison.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

There is no real background for violence. Albanians don't want violence. Regular Serbs in Kosova don't want violence. Belgrade has said it doesn't want violence. Everyone has strongly objected violence. So, if tomorrow you see French soldiers shooting at a group of drunken self-proclaimed Serbian militias, don't jump fast into conclusions, but hold onto your promisses of peace.

LJUBICIC

pre 16 godina

When Croatia and Bosnia declared independance from SRFJ what happened? There is a possibility of conflict, but we will have to wait and see.

kate

pre 16 godina

Peter - If I thought that my child was in danger I would far rather that they were escorted by an armed Nato soldier than a childminder who doesn't even accept that they may be in danger.

Nato is there to protect people, and has failed on many counts.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Doni, for some reason I did not understand well the first part of comment

"and in presevo,albanians are not serbs, remember.
we are not afraid and we can go everywhere alone,despite they my kill us."

I am not sure what did you want to tell by this. I never claimed that Albanians are Serbs.However, Albanians living in Serbia walk freely on the streets and can speak thier language. If you wanted to emphasize how brave you are why just don't you say so-we are so brave that do not care if we gonna be killed. But I think that this is a lie since it is in human psychology to be afraid for own life unless the person is mentally ill. By claimnig this you would never pass any special psyco tests that are necessery to pass in order to join some Military or Police Academy. Fear is phenomenon that is hard to control.

The response on the rest of the comment-Albanians in Kosovo under Serbian rule, haven't been ever treated the way you treat Serbs and other non-Albanians. While in Kosovo for few years I have not seen any frightten Albanian. They were just free to do what ever they liked. They were free to boycotte everything, not to pay electricity, health care, and so on. You felt that was your right to do and you did it. However, you did not need any escort by anyone, you walked freely, you spoke own language, you lived night life visiting clubs, disco, caffe and so on. Your intention to mislead people in this forum is malicious. For the end, I think there is a huge difference between Serbs and Albanians when it comes to the treatment of people. There is huge diffrenece in nearly everything but lets stick now to the treatment.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

"Why can't their grandma or grandpa walk them to school, but waste Nato?"

The question should be asked why does NATO feel the Serbian children need protected?
If this was a peaceful society NATO troops would not need to be there.

Maybe, it is because NATO knows that the threat of violence is a daily possibility and if violence erupts the elderly grandparents cannot phycically protect the children from harm.

Arlinda

pre 16 godina

"im not surprised albanians wont support a split of kosovo, they only want to create a greater albania...the days of facism and imperial ideals are long forgotten. if kosovo was granted independence, serbia would by all means as a "minority" split it again and take half of bosnia, im not at all concerned.
(Goran, 9 December 2007 15:11) "

Can't you see that you are contradicting yourself? Even though you know very well that there won't be a Great Albania(a terminology that Serbs have invented), you are the one who speaks of a Greater Serbia.
Who are the fascist here? The Serbs that put a halt at any life development of Albanians. Who are the imperialist? Voislav Sesejl and his 'strategy plans' on how to destroy and disintegrate Albanians are still heroes with posters in Serbia. You have issues that you haven't resolved yet.

lids

pre 16 godina

Arlinda,
First of all-you are albanian women and we all know that muslim women and girls do not go anywhere without protection of adults.
Nowhere in Serbia that you`ll see armed guards walking kids to school except to protect them from albanians in Kosovo.
Glad do that you got away.!

doni

pre 16 godina

Can you immagine what does it mean to live behind barbed wires.
brusmila

Albanians can imagine, do serbs?
I think some serb leader talked about ROMAS in his city in serbia.

and in presevo,albanians are not serbs, remember.
we are not afraid and we can go everywhere alone,despite they my kill us.
you think our people, children were not killed, but we are still strong and not complaining because some criminals in your country did it. We allready have sacrificed a lot for our freedom.

now that the shoe is on the other side, you complain, you had 100years oportunity to give us equal rights, now let us try for 100years, and then you can compain to me, if we are still here.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

"Arlinda

Very intelligent comment.
(Peter Sudyka, 9 December 2007 17:36)"

Peter, don´t be ironic, some here simply do not understand that!

just say it as it is.

Bob Petrovich

pre 16 godina

Can someone enlighten me about the latest joke - use of name Dardania from antiquity for present day Kosovo?

Historical Dardania has nothing with present day Kosovo, nor Albanians are descendants of ancient Dardanians, although they childishly pretend to be.

To me, it seems that Albanian
extremists have finally figured out that Kosovo as a Slavic word is a title deed for the land they intend to steal, and now they attempt the theft by calling it differently. Sort of providing new set of forged papers for a stolen property. It may work for cars, but it does not work for the land.

The first time Shqiptars (a.k.a. Albanians) landed in the Balkans, they landed on a Serbian land,in Serbian state, not to Dardania.

Perhaps the beter name would be Dardeljezija,Esterbunnya or Neverland.

Konstantin Gregovic

pre 16 godina

Kosovo Independance:

Any illegal Kosovo independance contrary to UN resolution 1244 will be duly countered including possible unilateral independance of Republika Srpska-this is on the table, it's no secret why Kostunica has been meeting with Dodik.

Branislav

pre 16 godina

There are few people (with good insight) who think that whole system of values in the world will radically change by year 2025-2030. This pushing Serbia to cede what is her lawful territory is just one indication - that something "big" is in the air...There were few comparisons to Munich "agreement" of 1938 (Sudetenland). And there is truth in that - because West was sensing that big change is coming so it started with "usual" distortions of truth...Similar thing is happening to Serbia - which is
in the similar fashion portrayed as troublemaker, and so - Law has to be put aside - because case is "special".
Best thing to do for Serbia is to wait for the big change - which is round the corner. Then true troblemakers will be
exposed - and there will be no one to hide the truth. Our friend G.W.Bush belongs clearely to this "time od deception" which is doomed to
pass, rather soon. To people who have an ear for Astrology - an Hungarian astrologer said "Bush will probably live long enough to see everything he fought (and lied) for crumble to dust."
So Serbs - be patient. Times of greater justice are coming.

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

I am dying to know how Christine is going to incorperate into Serbia proper, such as: Goarzhdevac, Osejane, etc...?
Nothing is going to happened after December 10, 2007, becasue Kosova will declare its Independence on March 6, 2008. This is the most sacret date that over 50 members of Jashari family were masacred by Serbian forces. This is the deadline for independence my friends.

Mike

pre 16 godina

No one wants violence, particularly Serbia Proper. The last things Serbs need is another endless line of refugees trailing into Serbia, swelling the already overcrowded refugee camps, and draining the coffers to take care of them in the most minimal way possible. Such a sight will undoubtedly galvanize the SRS to sweep the upcoming elections, and probably form a coalition with DSS. At this juncture, giving Kosovo both de facto and de jure independence will certainly do that.

This is such a delicate issue right now, it's not even funny. The slightest provication could spark unrest in one place that would spread like wildfires elsewhere: in Serbia, in Bosnia, in Macedonia. No one wants violence, but no one is really doing anything to prevent the likelihood of violence. I think each side needs to at least expect a little blowback from the other side, but let's not use the slightest provocation as justification for another March 2004.

Arlinda

pre 16 godina

"This is the most gut wrenching picture and it speaks louder than any politician.Mr Solana take a look at this and ask any albanian were there any time that albanian children were treated this way under Serbian government.
Talk all you want-fact is no Serbian is safe under NATO,albanian rule.
(lids, 9 December 2007 15:14)"
First of all, I was surprised as well when I read that they were Serbian kids, because i thought they were Albanian. Then, as a child, till then age of 17, my parents, or cousins, walked me everywhere in Albania. Even in Canada, I have worked many years as a babysitter because the law states that no child under 12 should be any minute without adult supervision. I got paid a lot $ just to walk a 8-9 year old kid just 5 min to the school, and back home in the afternoon. Why can't their grandma or grandpa walk them to school, but waste Nato?

Joe

pre 16 godina

lids,

For years the Serbian propoganda tried to make us believe that the K-Serbs suffer hardships. Well watching these wellfed, welldressed, very relaxed happy kids I have the opposite impression. They remind me of the very privileged kids of my gated rich community, who are driven back and forth to an expensive private school by a servant.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

I don't think there will be any violence from either side. At least not on any large scale, I wouldn't even think on a paramilitary scale, most I see is further grave desecrations, attacks and perhaps some arson here and there. I pray NATO does a better job in protecting these symbols of both peoples and cracking down on dissidents.

However one thing I agree with is this:

" "Otherwise we risk undermining the whole UN system and its institutions, and this could create a very dangerous precedent," she said in a reference to the fear that the self-proclaimed Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus could also gain recognition. "

I pray that the EU stick to their "sui generis" argument and do not recognize "Turkish Northern Cyprus". The Turks have illegal military presence in Northern Cyprus and I perfectly understand the concerns of the Cypriot government, despite how Albanian posters here claim Cyprus is insignificant and no one apparently cares about the problem. I hope when Kosovo becomes independent that Cyprus vetoes Turkey's EU ascension for good.

rastabaz

pre 16 godina

independence of kosovo can be easily a pretext for world war 3...ignorant albanians and serbs don't understand that their local conflict of interest can be a disaster for all of us...they can't deal with each other...if they would have possibility they would eat each other alive...so match hate..it a bad bad karma...to be born there in this hate environment...feel sorry for you men. I'm really happy not been involved in all this boring "fight till death" routine. It is just some info on my monitor..

Joe

pre 16 godina

lids,

For years the Serbian propoganda tried to make us believe that the K-Serbs suffer hardships. Well watching these wellfed, welldressed, very relaxed happy kids I have the opposite impression. They remind me of the very privileged kids of my gated rich community, who are driven back and forth to an expensive private school by a servant.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

There is no real background for violence. Albanians don't want violence. Regular Serbs in Kosova don't want violence. Belgrade has said it doesn't want violence. Everyone has strongly objected violence. So, if tomorrow you see French soldiers shooting at a group of drunken self-proclaimed Serbian militias, don't jump fast into conclusions, but hold onto your promisses of peace.

Christine

pre 16 godina

The only solution I can foresee for Kosovo is partition with the Serbian enclave joining with Serbia and the rest of the province gaining independence or joining with Albania, whichever they choose. They should then be fast-tracked to membership of the European Union. This is the opinion of the British ambassador who was in Belgrade in the latter days of Milosevic. I can sympathise with Serbia's refusal to give up an area which is the cradle of her civilisation. I disagree with the UK government's enthusiam to recognise Kosovo as an independent state. I think Sebia deserves more credit than it usually gets for getting rid of Milosevic and becoming a democratic country.

doni

pre 16 godina

Can you immagine what does it mean to live behind barbed wires.
brusmila

Albanians can imagine, do serbs?
I think some serb leader talked about ROMAS in his city in serbia.

and in presevo,albanians are not serbs, remember.
we are not afraid and we can go everywhere alone,despite they my kill us.
you think our people, children were not killed, but we are still strong and not complaining because some criminals in your country did it. We allready have sacrificed a lot for our freedom.

now that the shoe is on the other side, you complain, you had 100years oportunity to give us equal rights, now let us try for 100years, and then you can compain to me, if we are still here.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Mr Solana there will be no violence unless Albanians insire the violence. Well December 10th is tomorrow and as I can see nothing is happening as they promised few days back. Oh, I am wrong, they actually begun with desecrating Serbian graves. I can't even imagine what will be after they really gain independence. Are they ready to be granted independence after such behaviour.

ahmet isufi

pre 16 godina

I am dying to know how Christine is going to incorperate into Serbia proper, such as: Goarzhdevac, Osejane, etc...?
Nothing is going to happened after December 10, 2007, becasue Kosova will declare its Independence on March 6, 2008. This is the most sacret date that over 50 members of Jashari family were masacred by Serbian forces. This is the deadline for independence my friends.

Arlinda

pre 16 godina

"im not surprised albanians wont support a split of kosovo, they only want to create a greater albania...the days of facism and imperial ideals are long forgotten. if kosovo was granted independence, serbia would by all means as a "minority" split it again and take half of bosnia, im not at all concerned.
(Goran, 9 December 2007 15:11) "

Can't you see that you are contradicting yourself? Even though you know very well that there won't be a Great Albania(a terminology that Serbs have invented), you are the one who speaks of a Greater Serbia.
Who are the fascist here? The Serbs that put a halt at any life development of Albanians. Who are the imperialist? Voislav Sesejl and his 'strategy plans' on how to destroy and disintegrate Albanians are still heroes with posters in Serbia. You have issues that you haven't resolved yet.

LJUBICIC

pre 16 godina

When Croatia and Bosnia declared independance from SRFJ what happened? There is a possibility of conflict, but we will have to wait and see.

Arlinda

pre 16 godina

"This is the most gut wrenching picture and it speaks louder than any politician.Mr Solana take a look at this and ask any albanian were there any time that albanian children were treated this way under Serbian government.
Talk all you want-fact is no Serbian is safe under NATO,albanian rule.
(lids, 9 December 2007 15:14)"
First of all, I was surprised as well when I read that they were Serbian kids, because i thought they were Albanian. Then, as a child, till then age of 17, my parents, or cousins, walked me everywhere in Albania. Even in Canada, I have worked many years as a babysitter because the law states that no child under 12 should be any minute without adult supervision. I got paid a lot $ just to walk a 8-9 year old kid just 5 min to the school, and back home in the afternoon. Why can't their grandma or grandpa walk them to school, but waste Nato?

Goran

pre 16 godina

Typical ignorance from you clean cut. I'm not concerned about french troops shooting at serbs, it wont happen. im more concerned about the albanians burning down more monastaries and desecrating more graves... only for KFOR and the rest to stand there and do nothing again...
im not surprised albanians wont support a split of kosovo, they only want to create a greater albania...the days of facism and imperial ideals are long forgotten. if kosovo was granted independence, serbia would by all means as a "minority" split it again and take half of bosnia, im not at all concerned.

lids

pre 16 godina

This is the most gut wrenching picture and it speaks louder than any politician.Mr Solana take a look at this and ask any albanian were there any time that albanian children were treated this way under Serbian government.
Talk all you want-fact is no Serbian is safe under NATO,albanian rule.

Dragan

pre 16 godina

Lavrov said:
"The implementation of this scenario [unliateral independence] could provoke further interethnic contradictions and new violence in the region."

"Against the background of Kosovo developments, the situation is seen to aggravate considerably in other countries of the region, first of all, in Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina. A unilateral solution will inevitably set a precedent for other similar conflicts," Lavrov said in an interview with Cypriot media.
Bravo for telling the US and EU, and the world, the truth! They don't like to hear it, but just keep saying it, eventually they will get the message.

Lids,
I could not agree more. When you look at Serbian children needing military escorts to go to school, it makes you wonder what kind of people albanians are. Under Serb control, albanians had full rights, except those terrorists that were killing Serbian policemen, postmen, and other civilians. It is really, really sad and disgusting that albanians have even killed Serbian children, and military escorts are now needed.

Peter Sudyka,

See Lavrov's comment above. Kosovo WILL be a precedent if the Americans are stupid enough to follow through on unilateral recognition. It will lead to Republika Srpska joining Serbia, north Mitrovica remaining in Serbia, Catalonia and Basques declaring independence, Abkhazia and South Ossetia declaring independence, Kurdistan declaring independence, north Cyprus declaring independence....all because of the 'Kosovo Precedent'.
No more double standards. Justice will prevail over power.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Arlinda

I don't know have you ever been to Kosovo and have any truths how does it really look like to be a Serb in Kosovo. Do you understand what does it mean protection by soldiers and no freedom of movement. Do you realy think that tragedy would be prevented if grandma or parents escort their children anywhere. You live in Canada, I live in Serbia and I do not need any protection to walk around bucause no one will hurt me anyhow (unless I pop up on some crazy rapist-maniac). I am trying to tell you that escort by parents does not change anything since parents have to be escorted as well. Can you immagine what does it mean to live behind barbed wires. I hardly can but I can see it. If these soldiers were not there to protect the Serbs would be slaughtered in less than 24 hours. Serbs have to be escorted when going for shoping, when visiting the church, when visiting the cemetaries. The remaining Kosovo Serbs cannot even speak in their language if going out from its enclaves. Your comprasion is not applicable at all. You were talking about the life in normal conditions but Kosovo Serbs live in abnormal conditions. Huge difference! I suggest you to visit Kosovo and if you are brave enough to visit Serbian encalves as well and after wards I invite you to visit Serbia and will be your host. I will take you to Presevo Valley (municipalities inhabited by Albanian majority)to see how Albanians live overthere, free to do what ever it pleases them. After that try to be objective and enough honest to make right comparison.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

I don't think there will be any violence from either side. At least not on any large scale, I wouldn't even think on a paramilitary scale, most I see is further grave desecrations, attacks and perhaps some arson here and there. I pray NATO does a better job in protecting these symbols of both peoples and cracking down on dissidents.

However one thing I agree with is this:

" "Otherwise we risk undermining the whole UN system and its institutions, and this could create a very dangerous precedent," she said in a reference to the fear that the self-proclaimed Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus could also gain recognition. "

I pray that the EU stick to their "sui generis" argument and do not recognize "Turkish Northern Cyprus". The Turks have illegal military presence in Northern Cyprus and I perfectly understand the concerns of the Cypriot government, despite how Albanian posters here claim Cyprus is insignificant and no one apparently cares about the problem. I hope when Kosovo becomes independent that Cyprus vetoes Turkey's EU ascension for good.

Mike

pre 16 godina

No one wants violence, particularly Serbia Proper. The last things Serbs need is another endless line of refugees trailing into Serbia, swelling the already overcrowded refugee camps, and draining the coffers to take care of them in the most minimal way possible. Such a sight will undoubtedly galvanize the SRS to sweep the upcoming elections, and probably form a coalition with DSS. At this juncture, giving Kosovo both de facto and de jure independence will certainly do that.

This is such a delicate issue right now, it's not even funny. The slightest provication could spark unrest in one place that would spread like wildfires elsewhere: in Serbia, in Bosnia, in Macedonia. No one wants violence, but no one is really doing anything to prevent the likelihood of violence. I think each side needs to at least expect a little blowback from the other side, but let's not use the slightest provocation as justification for another March 2004.

kate

pre 16 godina

Peter - If I thought that my child was in danger I would far rather that they were escorted by an armed Nato soldier than a childminder who doesn't even accept that they may be in danger.

Nato is there to protect people, and has failed on many counts.

lids

pre 16 godina

Arlinda,
First of all-you are albanian women and we all know that muslim women and girls do not go anywhere without protection of adults.
Nowhere in Serbia that you`ll see armed guards walking kids to school except to protect them from albanians in Kosovo.
Glad do that you got away.!

Roger7

pre 16 godina

"Why can't their grandma or grandpa walk them to school, but waste Nato?"

The question should be asked why does NATO feel the Serbian children need protected?
If this was a peaceful society NATO troops would not need to be there.

Maybe, it is because NATO knows that the threat of violence is a daily possibility and if violence erupts the elderly grandparents cannot phycically protect the children from harm.

rastabaz

pre 16 godina

independence of kosovo can be easily a pretext for world war 3...ignorant albanians and serbs don't understand that their local conflict of interest can be a disaster for all of us...they can't deal with each other...if they would have possibility they would eat each other alive...so match hate..it a bad bad karma...to be born there in this hate environment...feel sorry for you men. I'm really happy not been involved in all this boring "fight till death" routine. It is just some info on my monitor..

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Doni, for some reason I did not understand well the first part of comment

"and in presevo,albanians are not serbs, remember.
we are not afraid and we can go everywhere alone,despite they my kill us."

I am not sure what did you want to tell by this. I never claimed that Albanians are Serbs.However, Albanians living in Serbia walk freely on the streets and can speak thier language. If you wanted to emphasize how brave you are why just don't you say so-we are so brave that do not care if we gonna be killed. But I think that this is a lie since it is in human psychology to be afraid for own life unless the person is mentally ill. By claimnig this you would never pass any special psyco tests that are necessery to pass in order to join some Military or Police Academy. Fear is phenomenon that is hard to control.

The response on the rest of the comment-Albanians in Kosovo under Serbian rule, haven't been ever treated the way you treat Serbs and other non-Albanians. While in Kosovo for few years I have not seen any frightten Albanian. They were just free to do what ever they liked. They were free to boycotte everything, not to pay electricity, health care, and so on. You felt that was your right to do and you did it. However, you did not need any escort by anyone, you walked freely, you spoke own language, you lived night life visiting clubs, disco, caffe and so on. Your intention to mislead people in this forum is malicious. For the end, I think there is a huge difference between Serbs and Albanians when it comes to the treatment of people. There is huge diffrenece in nearly everything but lets stick now to the treatment.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

"Arlinda

Very intelligent comment.
(Peter Sudyka, 9 December 2007 17:36)"

Peter, don´t be ironic, some here simply do not understand that!

just say it as it is.

Bob Petrovich

pre 16 godina

Can someone enlighten me about the latest joke - use of name Dardania from antiquity for present day Kosovo?

Historical Dardania has nothing with present day Kosovo, nor Albanians are descendants of ancient Dardanians, although they childishly pretend to be.

To me, it seems that Albanian
extremists have finally figured out that Kosovo as a Slavic word is a title deed for the land they intend to steal, and now they attempt the theft by calling it differently. Sort of providing new set of forged papers for a stolen property. It may work for cars, but it does not work for the land.

The first time Shqiptars (a.k.a. Albanians) landed in the Balkans, they landed on a Serbian land,in Serbian state, not to Dardania.

Perhaps the beter name would be Dardeljezija,Esterbunnya or Neverland.

Konstantin Gregovic

pre 16 godina

Kosovo Independance:

Any illegal Kosovo independance contrary to UN resolution 1244 will be duly countered including possible unilateral independance of Republika Srpska-this is on the table, it's no secret why Kostunica has been meeting with Dodik.

Branislav

pre 16 godina

There are few people (with good insight) who think that whole system of values in the world will radically change by year 2025-2030. This pushing Serbia to cede what is her lawful territory is just one indication - that something "big" is in the air...There were few comparisons to Munich "agreement" of 1938 (Sudetenland). And there is truth in that - because West was sensing that big change is coming so it started with "usual" distortions of truth...Similar thing is happening to Serbia - which is
in the similar fashion portrayed as troublemaker, and so - Law has to be put aside - because case is "special".
Best thing to do for Serbia is to wait for the big change - which is round the corner. Then true troblemakers will be
exposed - and there will be no one to hide the truth. Our friend G.W.Bush belongs clearely to this "time od deception" which is doomed to
pass, rather soon. To people who have an ear for Astrology - an Hungarian astrologer said "Bush will probably live long enough to see everything he fought (and lied) for crumble to dust."
So Serbs - be patient. Times of greater justice are coming.