ICG: Kosovo independent in May 2008

I have a message for the ICG and all other proponents of 'greater albania'.
'We shall defend what is ours. We will never surrender!'
Cheers!

Kosovo will be independent, stable, democratic, multiethnic, and prosperous exactly when Iraq is all those things as well. In other words, it will never happen.

"One day, Kosovo will be independent ans, as I've always said: the sooner the better, both for the Serbs and the Albanians"

You seem to have forgotten Victor that you have not always said this. Just to remind you...
"I completely agree with Kostunica on this conclusion that Kosovo is part of Serbia. The USA should not intervene and mind its own business. They act as if they were the 'Gendarme de la planète'.
(Victor, 9. September 2007 15:31)"

Now that is very telling all this based on ICG pro-Independece tinted analysis which assume that only Russia has a say in the UN while ignoring the obvious "super-power" in the 21st century - China !

There dest and optimal is now not Jan, nor Feb, or April which ahve been mentioned already but now suggested optimal is MAY - so much can happen in a week of politics I guess muchh more can be expected in 6 months! I guess come March we will here Dec as the optimal - ICG have a credibility issue even greater then Ceku's but then Thaci is actching up rapidly with his "immediatly" toned down to "within a few days" ok then "weeks", "couple of months" - looks like its streching again into the years!!!

So much for 'independence' when the local representatives have no independence in any decision what so ever!

In stock markets when some one looses he has a walk out policy, e.g. sell when breaking the 75% of the initial value threshold.

Why dont my friends albanians do the same?

Cant they see the trend graph?

One year ago the papers worldwide were like independence-independence-breakaway-
mladic-bla-bla-milosevic-bla-bla-blou-
-... sporadic positive economic reviews--bla bla again-srebrenica-bla-bla.

Now its like
Russia-China-blablabla-Russia-China-
blabla--Invest Opportunities in Serbia--bla bla blou.

enuf said, its more than obvious

ICG: Kosovo independent in May 2008»

Dec 07 or May 08, what's the diffrence?

One day, Kosovo will be independent ans, as I've always said: the sooner the better, both for the Serbs and the Albanians.

Dragan wrote:
'We shall defend what is ours. We will never surrender!'
_____________________________

We neither.

Mitrovica Independent of Albanian Kosovo - May 2008

ok, may's ok... but what's that year again? :)

what international crisis group is? the voice of the albanian diaspora pretending to be impartial

Kosovo is Serbia and always will be! No matter what the K-Albanians want, the only indipendence the U.A.S. can support is their own.

"In a report published today, it is stressed that, even after conditional independence, the international community would continue to have to help Kosovo and Serbia settle the dispute in such a way that leads to the repeal of Resolution 1244, Kosovo membership of the UN, and a final guarantee of stability in the west Balkans. "

This is the hard part. Anyone can declare independence, but UN membership and repeal of UNSCR1244 outside of the UNSC is unlikely. Russia has veto power and I do not see them allowing this going further. They are too powerful to be pursuaded by anybody. China also appears not to be pro-independence for Kosovo.

Right now they must focus on peaceful independence. If they wish to do it outside the UNSC, so be it, but then they cannot expect to join the organization whose laws they did not respect in obtaining their independence.

That is going too far.

The big mistake we made, allowing albanians entering in our land, must be taken as lesson also by other nations. Never allow more than 200.000 immigrants from one country as they will eventually claim parts of it as their new Holy independent land.

good news

If Kosovo gets independence, all I can say is, God help Europe.

Reading through the Albanian posts all I can see is that they thrive on sarcasm and insults towards anyone who doesn't share their views. How are they going to behave as part of a European team when their wishes are not being taken into account?

Are they going to resort to their ususal weapons, sarcasm, violence and ridicule? Quotes like, insignifcan country like Cyprys, Romania, Slovakia etc.
They will probably be told to leave the room like any other school bully when they pick on the rest of the class members.

Still, I don't see them getting a country by taking someone else's land. When push comes to shove too many little insignificant countreis will be too nervous to go along with the bullies like UK, France and Italy for they know they will get the same forced upon them. They will have no choice but to stand united against this.

All the US will achive here is another war in the Balkans which they claim they are trying to prevent. This is exactly what they want, but this time they are not counting on support Serbia has from some major players.

too many dates too many changes and postponements only means there is no political will even from the US itself. to sum up this is all POLITICKING of the "major powers".

Do the Albanians not see a pattern here? Now its May 2008, how many times has the date changed since 1999? Its not going to happen PERIOD. In May 2008 the new date will be September 2008 and so on and so on all while Kosovo remains 100% Serbian as far as the World is concerned....

first it was 'Independence in 2005' then it was 2006, then December 10 2008. Thaci said he would declare independence on the 11th following on from Ceku's threat to do on Albanian flag day. Western papers say it will be declared in January....ICG are now saying next May. at this rate it looks like Princip could be right, May 20008.

after waiting this long, what's another 3-4 months? so long as the outcome is what we all, in our heart of hearts, know to be independance.
here's a way to look at it: the more & more belgrade bemoans, the closer we albanians are to our goal...freedom!

jesus...

now some of those writers here who was counting down the days will have to add another 150 days!

of course, you have time to wait... as long as UNSC 1244 is in effect... you will have to wait.

in the meantime Serbia is very well prepared for all eventualities.

and some day soon, russian marine-ships will be present in the adriatic sea, of course only to protect all those who want peace and stability in the region.

seems like the US were not only terribly missunderstanding the situation when they thought that Russia will back down, they are still not capable of realizing that some things have changed, changed very thoroughly.

let´s see what future brings! :)

The free world should support democracy Serbia NOW. And stop this disaster of illegal Kosovo independence!

"In the report, it is also predicted that, under the threat of a Moscow veto in the Security Council, Resolution 1244, which recognizes Serbia’s sovereignty over Kosovo, will not be repealed, nor will it be possible to approve the plan for the province’s conditional independence under the Ahtisaari Plan and the EU mission entrusted with its application."

If the ICG is quoted accurately, then this paragraph is a stark and frank admission by them that Ahtisaari and Kosovo independence will fail to pass the UN.

Readers may have also noticed a less dismissive tone by the ICG towards Moscow these days, today it is more like a grudging respect, the shock realization that the Russians are no pushovers as assumed by the ICG in bygone days.

ICG, next time you make a report say independence 2058?

You claimed independence would be the result of the bombing of 1999. Then you claimed it would occur by 2001. Then you were quiet and siad it would occur in 2005, then 2006, then 2007, and now 2008.

Furthermore, to the ICG. Just quit already. You have not prevented any crisis if anything almost every prediction you've made has gone wrong.

Princip

nobody want independece that would not be recognised. We want to prepare many more things in order to declare the coordianted independece.
I think that by the end of this month Kosova will declare the independence, 22 of december

Kosovo will be independent, stable, democratic, multiethnic, and prosperous exactly when Iraq is all those things as well. In other words, it will never happen.
(vladimir gagic, 7 December 2007 14:50)
sorry, vladi, but kosove & iraq are nothing alike. kosove is approx. 2m people and the over 90% of it's citizens want and will achieve the same goal. there is no outside influence from other states who want to destablize it unless you're referring to serbia.
i realize you and some others will not agree w/me but albanians are european and want to be integrated into a european society. they want peace, prosperity and to raise their families like everyone else. the sooner you and opponents to the inevitable outcome of kosove come around to that reality, the better we're all going to be.

Nice to see Pyrros here.
Pyrros, be careful with your comments. If Americans read your funny comments about them they will cut all your food supplies. So, no more flour made in USA, no more food made in Turkey or Albania. Your economy has suffered a lot form the fires this summer so be careful of your comments.
Pyrros, what have you done to Milosevic dirty money, is it still in your banks?

May 2008, just in time to celebrate independence at Eurovision in Belgrade.

once again (and you can gladly pull up my old comments :) i say: congratulations for the coming independence of a multi-ethnic, oh-so-hopeful kosovo/a. you guys and gals will just have to ignore the nay-sayers and focus on the future, so full of promise but also w many potential problems. but there is no going backwards, no matter how many people try to provoke you, call you "serbian albanians", claim your president is tadic (!) -- and yr pm is kostunica?? oh please!

personally, i would like to see at least the date announced within the coming week or 2. even if it isn't till early next year, we need a date, no more hurry up and wait, that is so old, so retro, in a bad way. if in May then so be it, but -- don't you think that the people in kosovo/a should have something to say about that? sometimes, the so-called international community feels just the teeniest bit like the bad old colonialists of yesteryear.

and one last thing -- i feel a need to always repeat this though i fear it falls on deaf ears: because i so strongly support independence for kosovo/a, human rights, minority rights, etc, does NOT make be anti-serb! about the present belgrade regime, they are certainly not my favorites. and the nationalist sentiments i read here, every day, don't exactly make me feel all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. but i do not hate any people or ethnicity, that is such a crazy and even bizarre concept to me, as i hope it would be to other posters. we are all god's creatures, or nature's if you don't believe. but the continuing hate fest, which i see being pushed by some of the posters, it's just gotta stop, and the sooner the better.

The report in my opinion mentions some interesting facts but after all it’s only a proposal. I think it is more likely Kosovo will declare independence in Feb/Mar. 120 days are needed to put all mechanisms in place for the Ahtisari plan to work. The disadvantage of declaring independence in May is that this will give Belgrade another 120 days to try and sabotage the plan in order to be able to say the plan is not working.

The main aim for the time being is to keep peace and stability in the region. All other issues will be solved step by step.

The ICG text also recommends to the EU not to make the same mistake as with Cyrus. It should not allow Serbia to join the EU without recognising Kosovo as a state. With Serbia’s consent resolution 1244 can be discharged and Kosovo can have a seat at the UN. You can easily compare it with the NATO intervention in 99. It was not perfectly legal but by putting resolution 1244 in place afterwards the one-sided intervention had been legitimised. After all Russia could have vetoed this resolution back than, on the grounds that an intervention was illegal and that the presence of NATO troops is also illegal and that they should pull out immediately. Instead it agreed with res 1244 which makes independence a possible scenario by saying that legally Kosovo is part of Serbia BUT the final status has yet to be resolved.

The only reason the status solution has been dragged on for so long is because countries were not sure how far Russia is willing to go with their veto threat and what it is Russia hopes to get out of this. Now things are clear and the decision has been made. Whether Feb/Mar or May does not make a real difference as long as peace and stability in the region are kept. The UDI will come and a prompt recognition will follow but the Kosovars will not see the difference in their everyday lives.

PS: please don’t get carried away with nationalism and propaganda guys, it only causes problems.

Kosovo has been free from Serbia since 1999. Whether Kosovo's independance is declared today, tomorrow or 10 years from now. The likelihood of Serbia returning is becoming less probable.

It's probably easier for Serbia to retain control of Krajina than it is to move back into Kosovo.

@ pyrros

what are you trying to say?
i think you have probems, there in greece, or cyprus maybe that's why.

You seem to have forgotten Victor that you have not always said this. Just to remind you...
"I completely agree with Kostunica on this conclusion that Kosovo is part of Serbia. The USA should not intervene and mind its own business. They act as if they were the 'Gendarme de la planète'.
(Victor, 9. September 2007 15:31)"
(Roger7, 7 December 2007 14:35)
.........
Roger have you ever thought that maybe there are two Victors?

May 2008 doesn't work for me.

Anybody ever wondered why, even at the expensive of a row with the Russians, the US and the UK want an independent Kosovo? Here is my answer: They are probably fed up with pumping millions of dollars or pounds in a economically dysfunctional entity. Once the K-Albanians are independent the Americans and Brits will inform their Albanian friends that they are on their own feet now and should be making their own money. The K-Albanians will have a very hard time surviving without the financial support from the West. The K-Albanians expect that "their" state will be the country of milk and honey, but they will probably end up living in extreme poverty. Also, the K-Albanians should not think that they will be a member of the European Union soon. The EU only accepts states with a solid economy as a member.

next indepedence date will be 10 december 2008!

Kosovo is a 90% or more mojority Albanians so why should they not have the right to govern there own country.

Remember what happend to the Kosovans in 1998. Also what happend to the people in Bosnia, Thousands brutally killed and murdered.
Look for example Bosnia the country now are doing much better in economy wise the same will happen with Kosovo if they are given the chance.

The big mistake we made, allowing albanians entering in our land, must be taken as lesson also by other nations. Never allow more than 200.000 immigrants from one country as they will eventually claim parts of it as their new Holy independent land.
(Marko, @ T.A.M., 8 December 2007 12:28)

too bad the albanians, who are the only native balkan people that were once part of yugoslavia, didn't incorporate that same philosophy when you migrated over from mother russia.

ICG: Kosovo independent in May 2008»

Dec 07 or May 08, what's the diffrence?

One day, Kosovo will be independent ans, as I've always said: the sooner the better, both for the Serbs and the Albanians.

I have a message for the ICG and all other proponents of 'greater albania'.
'We shall defend what is ours. We will never surrender!'
Cheers!

Kosovo will be independent, stable, democratic, multiethnic, and prosperous exactly when Iraq is all those things as well. In other words, it will never happen.

"One day, Kosovo will be independent ans, as I've always said: the sooner the better, both for the Serbs and the Albanians"

You seem to have forgotten Victor that you have not always said this. Just to remind you...
"I completely agree with Kostunica on this conclusion that Kosovo is part of Serbia. The USA should not intervene and mind its own business. They act as if they were the 'Gendarme de la planète'.
(Victor, 9. September 2007 15:31)"

Now that is very telling all this based on ICG pro-Independece tinted analysis which assume that only Russia has a say in the UN while ignoring the obvious "super-power" in the 21st century - China !

There dest and optimal is now not Jan, nor Feb, or April which ahve been mentioned already but now suggested optimal is MAY - so much can happen in a week of politics I guess muchh more can be expected in 6 months! I guess come March we will here Dec as the optimal - ICG have a credibility issue even greater then Ceku's but then Thaci is actching up rapidly with his "immediatly" toned down to "within a few days" ok then "weeks", "couple of months" - looks like its streching again into the years!!!

So much for 'independence' when the local representatives have no independence in any decision what so ever!

Dragan wrote:
'We shall defend what is ours. We will never surrender!'
_____________________________

We neither.

good news

what international crisis group is? the voice of the albanian diaspora pretending to be impartial

after waiting this long, what's another 3-4 months? so long as the outcome is what we all, in our heart of hearts, know to be independance.
here's a way to look at it: the more & more belgrade bemoans, the closer we albanians are to our goal...freedom!

Princip

nobody want independece that would not be recognised. We want to prepare many more things in order to declare the coordianted independece.
I think that by the end of this month Kosova will declare the independence, 22 of december

Kosovo will be independent, stable, democratic, multiethnic, and prosperous exactly when Iraq is all those things as well. In other words, it will never happen.
(vladimir gagic, 7 December 2007 14:50)
sorry, vladi, but kosove & iraq are nothing alike. kosove is approx. 2m people and the over 90% of it's citizens want and will achieve the same goal. there is no outside influence from other states who want to destablize it unless you're referring to serbia.
i realize you and some others will not agree w/me but albanians are european and want to be integrated into a european society. they want peace, prosperity and to raise their families like everyone else. the sooner you and opponents to the inevitable outcome of kosove come around to that reality, the better we're all going to be.

@ pyrros

what are you trying to say?
i think you have probems, there in greece, or cyprus maybe that's why.

May 2008, just in time to celebrate independence at Eurovision in Belgrade.

May 2008 doesn't work for me.

ok, may's ok... but what's that year again? :)

too many dates too many changes and postponements only means there is no political will even from the US itself. to sum up this is all POLITICKING of the "major powers".

Kosovo is Serbia and always will be! No matter what the K-Albanians want, the only indipendence the U.A.S. can support is their own.

Mitrovica Independent of Albanian Kosovo - May 2008

In stock markets when some one looses he has a walk out policy, e.g. sell when breaking the 75% of the initial value threshold.

Why dont my friends albanians do the same?

Cant they see the trend graph?

One year ago the papers worldwide were like independence-independence-breakaway-
mladic-bla-bla-milosevic-bla-bla-blou-
-... sporadic positive economic reviews--bla bla again-srebrenica-bla-bla.

Now its like
Russia-China-blablabla-Russia-China-
blabla--Invest Opportunities in Serbia--bla bla blou.

enuf said, its more than obvious

Nice to see Pyrros here.
Pyrros, be careful with your comments. If Americans read your funny comments about them they will cut all your food supplies. So, no more flour made in USA, no more food made in Turkey or Albania. Your economy has suffered a lot form the fires this summer so be careful of your comments.
Pyrros, what have you done to Milosevic dirty money, is it still in your banks?

The big mistake we made, allowing albanians entering in our land, must be taken as lesson also by other nations. Never allow more than 200.000 immigrants from one country as they will eventually claim parts of it as their new Holy independent land.

Kosovo has been free from Serbia since 1999. Whether Kosovo's independance is declared today, tomorrow or 10 years from now. The likelihood of Serbia returning is becoming less probable.

It's probably easier for Serbia to retain control of Krajina than it is to move back into Kosovo.

Anybody ever wondered why, even at the expensive of a row with the Russians, the US and the UK want an independent Kosovo? Here is my answer: They are probably fed up with pumping millions of dollars or pounds in a economically dysfunctional entity. Once the K-Albanians are independent the Americans and Brits will inform their Albanian friends that they are on their own feet now and should be making their own money. The K-Albanians will have a very hard time surviving without the financial support from the West. The K-Albanians expect that "their" state will be the country of milk and honey, but they will probably end up living in extreme poverty. Also, the K-Albanians should not think that they will be a member of the European Union soon. The EU only accepts states with a solid economy as a member.

"In a report published today, it is stressed that, even after conditional independence, the international community would continue to have to help Kosovo and Serbia settle the dispute in such a way that leads to the repeal of Resolution 1244, Kosovo membership of the UN, and a final guarantee of stability in the west Balkans. "

This is the hard part. Anyone can declare independence, but UN membership and repeal of UNSCR1244 outside of the UNSC is unlikely. Russia has veto power and I do not see them allowing this going further. They are too powerful to be pursuaded by anybody. China also appears not to be pro-independence for Kosovo.

Right now they must focus on peaceful independence. If they wish to do it outside the UNSC, so be it, but then they cannot expect to join the organization whose laws they did not respect in obtaining their independence.

That is going too far.

Do the Albanians not see a pattern here? Now its May 2008, how many times has the date changed since 1999? Its not going to happen PERIOD. In May 2008 the new date will be September 2008 and so on and so on all while Kosovo remains 100% Serbian as far as the World is concerned....

ICG, next time you make a report say independence 2058?

You claimed independence would be the result of the bombing of 1999. Then you claimed it would occur by 2001. Then you were quiet and siad it would occur in 2005, then 2006, then 2007, and now 2008.

Furthermore, to the ICG. Just quit already. You have not prevented any crisis if anything almost every prediction you've made has gone wrong.

first it was 'Independence in 2005' then it was 2006, then December 10 2008. Thaci said he would declare independence on the 11th following on from Ceku's threat to do on Albanian flag day. Western papers say it will be declared in January....ICG are now saying next May. at this rate it looks like Princip could be right, May 20008.

jesus...

now some of those writers here who was counting down the days will have to add another 150 days!

of course, you have time to wait... as long as UNSC 1244 is in effect... you will have to wait.

in the meantime Serbia is very well prepared for all eventualities.

and some day soon, russian marine-ships will be present in the adriatic sea, of course only to protect all those who want peace and stability in the region.

seems like the US were not only terribly missunderstanding the situation when they thought that Russia will back down, they are still not capable of realizing that some things have changed, changed very thoroughly.

let´s see what future brings! :)

You seem to have forgotten Victor that you have not always said this. Just to remind you...
"I completely agree with Kostunica on this conclusion that Kosovo is part of Serbia. The USA should not intervene and mind its own business. They act as if they were the 'Gendarme de la planète'.
(Victor, 9. September 2007 15:31)"
(Roger7, 7 December 2007 14:35)
.........
Roger have you ever thought that maybe there are two Victors?

If Kosovo gets independence, all I can say is, God help Europe.

Reading through the Albanian posts all I can see is that they thrive on sarcasm and insults towards anyone who doesn't share their views. How are they going to behave as part of a European team when their wishes are not being taken into account?

Are they going to resort to their ususal weapons, sarcasm, violence and ridicule? Quotes like, insignifcan country like Cyprys, Romania, Slovakia etc.
They will probably be told to leave the room like any other school bully when they pick on the rest of the class members.

Still, I don't see them getting a country by taking someone else's land. When push comes to shove too many little insignificant countreis will be too nervous to go along with the bullies like UK, France and Italy for they know they will get the same forced upon them. They will have no choice but to stand united against this.

All the US will achive here is another war in the Balkans which they claim they are trying to prevent. This is exactly what they want, but this time they are not counting on support Serbia has from some major players.

The free world should support democracy Serbia NOW. And stop this disaster of illegal Kosovo independence!

"In the report, it is also predicted that, under the threat of a Moscow veto in the Security Council, Resolution 1244, which recognizes Serbia’s sovereignty over Kosovo, will not be repealed, nor will it be possible to approve the plan for the province’s conditional independence under the Ahtisaari Plan and the EU mission entrusted with its application."

If the ICG is quoted accurately, then this paragraph is a stark and frank admission by them that Ahtisaari and Kosovo independence will fail to pass the UN.

Readers may have also noticed a less dismissive tone by the ICG towards Moscow these days, today it is more like a grudging respect, the shock realization that the Russians are no pushovers as assumed by the ICG in bygone days.

once again (and you can gladly pull up my old comments :) i say: congratulations for the coming independence of a multi-ethnic, oh-so-hopeful kosovo/a. you guys and gals will just have to ignore the nay-sayers and focus on the future, so full of promise but also w many potential problems. but there is no going backwards, no matter how many people try to provoke you, call you "serbian albanians", claim your president is tadic (!) -- and yr pm is kostunica?? oh please!

personally, i would like to see at least the date announced within the coming week or 2. even if it isn't till early next year, we need a date, no more hurry up and wait, that is so old, so retro, in a bad way. if in May then so be it, but -- don't you think that the people in kosovo/a should have something to say about that? sometimes, the so-called international community feels just the teeniest bit like the bad old colonialists of yesteryear.

and one last thing -- i feel a need to always repeat this though i fear it falls on deaf ears: because i so strongly support independence for kosovo/a, human rights, minority rights, etc, does NOT make be anti-serb! about the present belgrade regime, they are certainly not my favorites. and the nationalist sentiments i read here, every day, don't exactly make me feel all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. but i do not hate any people or ethnicity, that is such a crazy and even bizarre concept to me, as i hope it would be to other posters. we are all god's creatures, or nature's if you don't believe. but the continuing hate fest, which i see being pushed by some of the posters, it's just gotta stop, and the sooner the better.

The report in my opinion mentions some interesting facts but after all it’s only a proposal. I think it is more likely Kosovo will declare independence in Feb/Mar. 120 days are needed to put all mechanisms in place for the Ahtisari plan to work. The disadvantage of declaring independence in May is that this will give Belgrade another 120 days to try and sabotage the plan in order to be able to say the plan is not working.

The main aim for the time being is to keep peace and stability in the region. All other issues will be solved step by step.

The ICG text also recommends to the EU not to make the same mistake as with Cyrus. It should not allow Serbia to join the EU without recognising Kosovo as a state. With Serbia’s consent resolution 1244 can be discharged and Kosovo can have a seat at the UN. You can easily compare it with the NATO intervention in 99. It was not perfectly legal but by putting resolution 1244 in place afterwards the one-sided intervention had been legitimised. After all Russia could have vetoed this resolution back than, on the grounds that an intervention was illegal and that the presence of NATO troops is also illegal and that they should pull out immediately. Instead it agreed with res 1244 which makes independence a possible scenario by saying that legally Kosovo is part of Serbia BUT the final status has yet to be resolved.

The only reason the status solution has been dragged on for so long is because countries were not sure how far Russia is willing to go with their veto threat and what it is Russia hopes to get out of this. Now things are clear and the decision has been made. Whether Feb/Mar or May does not make a real difference as long as peace and stability in the region are kept. The UDI will come and a prompt recognition will follow but the Kosovars will not see the difference in their everyday lives.

PS: please don’t get carried away with nationalism and propaganda guys, it only causes problems.

next indepedence date will be 10 december 2008!

Kosovo is a 90% or more mojority Albanians so why should they not have the right to govern there own country.

Remember what happend to the Kosovans in 1998. Also what happend to the people in Bosnia, Thousands brutally killed and murdered.
Look for example Bosnia the country now are doing much better in economy wise the same will happen with Kosovo if they are given the chance.

The big mistake we made, allowing albanians entering in our land, must be taken as lesson also by other nations. Never allow more than 200.000 immigrants from one country as they will eventually claim parts of it as their new Holy independent land.
(Marko, @ T.A.M., 8 December 2007 12:28)

too bad the albanians, who are the only native balkan people that were once part of yugoslavia, didn't incorporate that same philosophy when you migrated over from mother russia.