I think the anti Serb crowd is reading too much into the Serb gov. statement.
Be more worried about the Serbs exploiting all legal means at their disposal, done so with the support of Russia.
Why is everyone worried about what Serbia will do if kosovo declares independence. if they want to cut off there nose then let them what business is it of anyone but the Serbian people!! Why is the pro albanian side worried? don't say you are not because if you were not then you would not be posting here. Or is it you are worried about the cheap goods, electrical supply ablility to legally obtain Serbian passports which so many kosovo albanians have because that unmik passport is not worth squat.
Well, it’s quite simple: don’t expect Serbia to nurture and usher the newly created US sponsored monster.
they had no problem ushering into their fold and away from the albanians in 1913 by the same european powers, with an exception to russia, who are all going to vote to rightfully return it to the albanians.
belgrade mismanaged the former yugo and as a result...lost it. the same applies to kosove.
Well, it’s quite simple: don’t expect Serbia to nurture and usher the newly created US sponsored monster. All steps, short of military, are logical and justified. Serbia has, however, to do a proper Risk Mitigation Analysis and Due Diligence process and learn from others(i.e. China – Tibet / Formosa). Again and again, EU/US had decided to create a state of simmering “low level” misbalance in Balkans enabling them, in future, to pull the strings whenever they feel so. What is really sad is to see the midget states, like Slovenia, getting high on a power trip just because they have been tasked to support the tactical level of Big Guy’s dirty Master Plan.
After the partition of Kosovn at the Ibar & a popultion swap (Serbs in s-Kosovo with the valley albanians) I don't think Serbia will cut off ties. But an economic blockaid of s-kosovo for a short time is vary posible.
What more can Serbia do to Kosovo Albanians that they have not done before? At least they are not threatening invasion, murder and torture, as they know NATO will defeat them again. This politician demonstrates all the qualities of a villager, and not a leader that deserves to govern Serbia. I believe most Serb citizens want to have a strong economy, excellent relations with their neighbours and EU and the ability to travel and visit the ancient and historic sites in Kosovo that mean a lot to them. All of this is possible with a positive attitide to Kosovo independence.
Many people today don't understand the significance of this act, but later it will be considered as an historical gesture that unfortunately was not followed by the Serbian regime.
(Clean Cut, 4 December 2007 16:45)
clean cut,
that's an excellent point. however, we have to bear in mind that the kosovar albanians are dealing w/certain politicians in belgrade and for those particular serbs and their self-righteous arrogance, it's beneath them to even acknowledge the people they've long enjoyed keeping down.
it's a shame that they do their own people such a disservice.
Come the 11th December there will be;
No Illegal declaration of independence from serbs north of Mitrovica
No Illegal recognition from Serbia
No Violence - NATO will swiftly act against any criminal gangs north of Mitrovica
This is what I call international diplomacy at its best.
Serbian MFA should open a kiosk on Nikola Tesla Airport. That way, delegations of separatist movements who come to Belgrade for recognition will lose no time.
Serbia should reciprocitate and and recognize Secessionist movements as independent states in every country that breach UN Charter and recognize second Albanian country on Serbian soil.
The prospective customers are plentiful. There are less than 200 UN members, and more than 10000 ethnic groups worldwide. Some of them hostile to the domicile country.
Jeremic should say: You want independent Kosovo? You will have it in your own back yard. Albanians want to set up an example that the crime does pay. Those who support them should foot the bill also.
There is nothing to prevent Serbia from doing it once UN Charter, OSCE Charter are broken.
What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
I consider Serbia an important European and Balkan country with an important role to play.
I also, as Albanian, consider the fact that Serbia has the right political and intellectual people like President Tadic, Jeremic and a lot o others to be realistic and accept reality.
I don't absolutely want to feel or act as a winner as Albanian in this situation.
I strongly and naturally support the K-Albanians request and the right for self-determination. Kosova has never blended into Yougoslav reality never being part of it. In Bujan it was reckognized the right of the self-determination of Kosovo right after the war, but never actually respected. Kosovo was a constituent part of Yougoslavia but never a republic since the republics were made of Slavian people and Kosovo of Albanians that would break off at the very first occasion.
Now everybody is independent, all of them. Kosovo is breaking off for more reasons than the others. This is normal. All the rest are myths.
Nevertheless life must go on, we have to leave the past after us where it belongs.
The win-win strategy is to see the future with realism.
Despite all the words and diplomatic playing everybody knows that with a 9% inflation no wise state can declare any sort of war to the world.
I suggest another measure. This would be the first one and there would be not a need for any other measures. This would be:
Entire cabinet to RESIGN
To resign since they are not dealing with the first 4 priorities of Serbia but with the 5th priority. They are dealing with Kosovo since they cannot deal with first 4 priorities.
Guys, do yourself a favour, resign. You are dealing with the issues that are priority for housewife’s, pensioners and some Ex-Yugoslavs from diaspora.
The K-Albanians should not cheer to soon. Even if they are granted independence by Bush and his chums, it will be a conditional independence at best. If minority rights do not improve and refugees are unable to return to their homes, the UN or EU might be forced to rule Kosovo for a very long time...
if belgrade feels the need to establish a trade embargo or cut off electricity, i say "bring it on." it may not be in their best interest since they, too, benefit from exporting to kosove and if they elect to cut off power...they will be leaving their serbian brethen in the dark, too.
threats to not recognize kosovar passports are no big deal because eventually they will find alternate routes.
i'm sure that other countries will be more then happy to accept the business and funds spent there by the albanians.
the bottom line is that whatever little temper tantrum belgrade decides to throw, it will have a minimal, short-term effect which i'm sure the albanians have already anticipated. how soon we forget how albanians have been treated by the former yugo/serbia?! some people might be naive enough to think that the albanians have forgotten but i assure you that we're two steps ahead of belgrade.
It is time to build bridges of friendship and cooperation between two states. With any level of "measures" you will only bring losses to both sides in economic and political means. It is time to give up the destructive aproach to any neighbourly relations that Serbia has kept in the last 20 years. I must say that the only good thing that has come from any part of the Balkans in the last 20 years is the Treaty of Friendship that Kosova Team has offered to Serbia. It is the first such step ever taken from a Balkan nation and as such it must be at least respected as a different aproach in relations. It is the first time that the victim lands the hand of peace without first asking for damages. Many people today don't understand the significance of this act, but later it will be considered as an historical gesture that unfortunately was not followed by the Serbian regime.
Montenegrians must be sighing relief to have escape from this destructive mentality that seems to be widespread among serbian politicians.
(nikshala, 4 December 2007 15:45)
nik,
i liken it to a little boy who has a nice, shiny ball on the playground and because he's not able to play...he gets mad and "takes his ball home."
a prime example of the importance in voting when electing your leaders.
I don't get does Serbia really believe that she's so great that when she decides to severe relations with those countries that recognize Kosova, those countries will be really upset and will give Kosova instead as a present to Serbia? Grow up we're not in the 19th century anymore. I'm sure the American educated Jeremić can do better than that... or maybe not.
It seems that reality is sinking in within the Belgrade authorities. All these preperations and action plans tell me that ; they (Belgrade ) knows is going to happened and there is nothing they can do about it.
jaw-jaw,win-win,folly and molly, the game is about to come to an end.
I would advise you to thoroughly detail you 'action plan', because independence is inevitable. Its not a matter of 'IF' but WHEN, as in December, January or February.
I can see what a great benefit it would be to Serbia to cut ties with over 20 EU countries, US,and most of Balkan countries.
Yes, I can see that you have learned from you mistakes in the 90s!
I can't believe K. Albanians are going to be losing out on this great journey that Serbia is planning for itself! oh, we should have accepted serbia's generous autonomy when we had the chance! haha
Talk about cuting you nose in spite of you face!
Montenegrians must be sighing relief to have escape from this destructive mentality that seems to be widespread among serbian politicians.
""But Jeremić added that the severing of diplomatic ties is "within the domain of state secrets", and explained that he "could not speak in public, in parliament, about that".""
___________________________
I would advise you to thoroughly detail you 'action plan', because independence is inevitable. Its not a matter of 'IF' but WHEN, as in December, January or February.
I can see what a great benefit it would be to Serbia to cut ties with over 20 EU countries, US,and most of Balkan countries.
Yes, I can see that you have learned from you mistakes in the 90s!
I can't believe K. Albanians are going to be losing out on this great journey that Serbia is planning for itself! oh, we should have accepted serbia's generous autonomy when we had the chance! haha
Talk about cuting you nose in spite of you face!
Montenegrians must be sighing relief to have escape from this destructive mentality that seems to be widespread among serbian politicians.
I don't get does Serbia really believe that she's so great that when she decides to severe relations with those countries that recognize Kosova, those countries will be really upset and will give Kosova instead as a present to Serbia? Grow up we're not in the 19th century anymore. I'm sure the American educated Jeremić can do better than that... or maybe not.
Serbian MFA should open a kiosk on Nikola Tesla Airport. That way, delegations of separatist movements who come to Belgrade for recognition will lose no time.
Serbia should reciprocitate and and recognize Secessionist movements as independent states in every country that breach UN Charter and recognize second Albanian country on Serbian soil.
The prospective customers are plentiful. There are less than 200 UN members, and more than 10000 ethnic groups worldwide. Some of them hostile to the domicile country.
Jeremic should say: You want independent Kosovo? You will have it in your own back yard. Albanians want to set up an example that the crime does pay. Those who support them should foot the bill also.
There is nothing to prevent Serbia from doing it once UN Charter, OSCE Charter are broken.
What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
It seems that reality is sinking in within the Belgrade authorities. All these preperations and action plans tell me that ; they (Belgrade ) knows is going to happened and there is nothing they can do about it.
jaw-jaw,win-win,folly and molly, the game is about to come to an end.
It is time to build bridges of friendship and cooperation between two states. With any level of "measures" you will only bring losses to both sides in economic and political means. It is time to give up the destructive aproach to any neighbourly relations that Serbia has kept in the last 20 years. I must say that the only good thing that has come from any part of the Balkans in the last 20 years is the Treaty of Friendship that Kosova Team has offered to Serbia. It is the first such step ever taken from a Balkan nation and as such it must be at least respected as a different aproach in relations. It is the first time that the victim lands the hand of peace without first asking for damages. Many people today don't understand the significance of this act, but later it will be considered as an historical gesture that unfortunately was not followed by the Serbian regime.
I suggest another measure. This would be the first one and there would be not a need for any other measures. This would be:
Entire cabinet to RESIGN
To resign since they are not dealing with the first 4 priorities of Serbia but with the 5th priority. They are dealing with Kosovo since they cannot deal with first 4 priorities.
Guys, do yourself a favour, resign. You are dealing with the issues that are priority for housewife’s, pensioners and some Ex-Yugoslavs from diaspora.
What more can Serbia do to Kosovo Albanians that they have not done before? At least they are not threatening invasion, murder and torture, as they know NATO will defeat them again. This politician demonstrates all the qualities of a villager, and not a leader that deserves to govern Serbia. I believe most Serb citizens want to have a strong economy, excellent relations with their neighbours and EU and the ability to travel and visit the ancient and historic sites in Kosovo that mean a lot to them. All of this is possible with a positive attitide to Kosovo independence.
""But Jeremić added that the severing of diplomatic ties is "within the domain of state secrets", and explained that he "could not speak in public, in parliament, about that".""
___________________________
if belgrade feels the need to establish a trade embargo or cut off electricity, i say "bring it on." it may not be in their best interest since they, too, benefit from exporting to kosove and if they elect to cut off power...they will be leaving their serbian brethen in the dark, too.
threats to not recognize kosovar passports are no big deal because eventually they will find alternate routes.
i'm sure that other countries will be more then happy to accept the business and funds spent there by the albanians.
the bottom line is that whatever little temper tantrum belgrade decides to throw, it will have a minimal, short-term effect which i'm sure the albanians have already anticipated. how soon we forget how albanians have been treated by the former yugo/serbia?! some people might be naive enough to think that the albanians have forgotten but i assure you that we're two steps ahead of belgrade.
I consider Serbia an important European and Balkan country with an important role to play.
I also, as Albanian, consider the fact that Serbia has the right political and intellectual people like President Tadic, Jeremic and a lot o others to be realistic and accept reality.
I don't absolutely want to feel or act as a winner as Albanian in this situation.
I strongly and naturally support the K-Albanians request and the right for self-determination. Kosova has never blended into Yougoslav reality never being part of it. In Bujan it was reckognized the right of the self-determination of Kosovo right after the war, but never actually respected. Kosovo was a constituent part of Yougoslavia but never a republic since the republics were made of Slavian people and Kosovo of Albanians that would break off at the very first occasion.
Now everybody is independent, all of them. Kosovo is breaking off for more reasons than the others. This is normal. All the rest are myths.
Nevertheless life must go on, we have to leave the past after us where it belongs.
The win-win strategy is to see the future with realism.
Despite all the words and diplomatic playing everybody knows that with a 9% inflation no wise state can declare any sort of war to the world.
Come the 11th December there will be;
No Illegal declaration of independence from serbs north of Mitrovica
No Illegal recognition from Serbia
No Violence - NATO will swiftly act against any criminal gangs north of Mitrovica
This is what I call international diplomacy at its best.
Well, it’s quite simple: don’t expect Serbia to nurture and usher the newly created US sponsored monster. All steps, short of military, are logical and justified. Serbia has, however, to do a proper Risk Mitigation Analysis and Due Diligence process and learn from others(i.e. China – Tibet / Formosa). Again and again, EU/US had decided to create a state of simmering “low level” misbalance in Balkans enabling them, in future, to pull the strings whenever they feel so. What is really sad is to see the midget states, like Slovenia, getting high on a power trip just because they have been tasked to support the tactical level of Big Guy’s dirty Master Plan.
Many people today don't understand the significance of this act, but later it will be considered as an historical gesture that unfortunately was not followed by the Serbian regime.
(Clean Cut, 4 December 2007 16:45)
clean cut,
that's an excellent point. however, we have to bear in mind that the kosovar albanians are dealing w/certain politicians in belgrade and for those particular serbs and their self-righteous arrogance, it's beneath them to even acknowledge the people they've long enjoyed keeping down.
it's a shame that they do their own people such a disservice.
The K-Albanians should not cheer to soon. Even if they are granted independence by Bush and his chums, it will be a conditional independence at best. If minority rights do not improve and refugees are unable to return to their homes, the UN or EU might be forced to rule Kosovo for a very long time...
Well, it’s quite simple: don’t expect Serbia to nurture and usher the newly created US sponsored monster.
they had no problem ushering into their fold and away from the albanians in 1913 by the same european powers, with an exception to russia, who are all going to vote to rightfully return it to the albanians.
belgrade mismanaged the former yugo and as a result...lost it. the same applies to kosove.
Montenegrians must be sighing relief to have escape from this destructive mentality that seems to be widespread among serbian politicians.
(nikshala, 4 December 2007 15:45)
nik,
i liken it to a little boy who has a nice, shiny ball on the playground and because he's not able to play...he gets mad and "takes his ball home."
a prime example of the importance in voting when electing your leaders.
After the partition of Kosovn at the Ibar & a popultion swap (Serbs in s-Kosovo with the valley albanians) I don't think Serbia will cut off ties. But an economic blockaid of s-kosovo for a short time is vary posible.
Why is everyone worried about what Serbia will do if kosovo declares independence. if they want to cut off there nose then let them what business is it of anyone but the Serbian people!! Why is the pro albanian side worried? don't say you are not because if you were not then you would not be posting here. Or is it you are worried about the cheap goods, electrical supply ablility to legally obtain Serbian passports which so many kosovo albanians have because that unmik passport is not worth squat.
I think the anti Serb crowd is reading too much into the Serb gov. statement.
Be more worried about the Serbs exploiting all legal means at their disposal, done so with the support of Russia.
I would advise you to thoroughly detail you 'action plan', because independence is inevitable. Its not a matter of 'IF' but WHEN, as in December, January or February.
I can see what a great benefit it would be to Serbia to cut ties with over 20 EU countries, US,and most of Balkan countries.
Yes, I can see that you have learned from you mistakes in the 90s!
I can't believe K. Albanians are going to be losing out on this great journey that Serbia is planning for itself! oh, we should have accepted serbia's generous autonomy when we had the chance! haha
Talk about cuting you nose in spite of you face!
Montenegrians must be sighing relief to have escape from this destructive mentality that seems to be widespread among serbian politicians.
I don't get does Serbia really believe that she's so great that when she decides to severe relations with those countries that recognize Kosova, those countries will be really upset and will give Kosova instead as a present to Serbia? Grow up we're not in the 19th century anymore. I'm sure the American educated Jeremić can do better than that... or maybe not.
What more can Serbia do to Kosovo Albanians that they have not done before? At least they are not threatening invasion, murder and torture, as they know NATO will defeat them again. This politician demonstrates all the qualities of a villager, and not a leader that deserves to govern Serbia. I believe most Serb citizens want to have a strong economy, excellent relations with their neighbours and EU and the ability to travel and visit the ancient and historic sites in Kosovo that mean a lot to them. All of this is possible with a positive attitide to Kosovo independence.
""But Jeremić added that the severing of diplomatic ties is "within the domain of state secrets", and explained that he "could not speak in public, in parliament, about that".""
___________________________
It seems that reality is sinking in within the Belgrade authorities. All these preperations and action plans tell me that ; they (Belgrade ) knows is going to happened and there is nothing they can do about it.
jaw-jaw,win-win,folly and molly, the game is about to come to an end.
if belgrade feels the need to establish a trade embargo or cut off electricity, i say "bring it on." it may not be in their best interest since they, too, benefit from exporting to kosove and if they elect to cut off power...they will be leaving their serbian brethen in the dark, too.
threats to not recognize kosovar passports are no big deal because eventually they will find alternate routes.
i'm sure that other countries will be more then happy to accept the business and funds spent there by the albanians.
the bottom line is that whatever little temper tantrum belgrade decides to throw, it will have a minimal, short-term effect which i'm sure the albanians have already anticipated. how soon we forget how albanians have been treated by the former yugo/serbia?! some people might be naive enough to think that the albanians have forgotten but i assure you that we're two steps ahead of belgrade.
It is time to build bridges of friendship and cooperation between two states. With any level of "measures" you will only bring losses to both sides in economic and political means. It is time to give up the destructive aproach to any neighbourly relations that Serbia has kept in the last 20 years. I must say that the only good thing that has come from any part of the Balkans in the last 20 years is the Treaty of Friendship that Kosova Team has offered to Serbia. It is the first such step ever taken from a Balkan nation and as such it must be at least respected as a different aproach in relations. It is the first time that the victim lands the hand of peace without first asking for damages. Many people today don't understand the significance of this act, but later it will be considered as an historical gesture that unfortunately was not followed by the Serbian regime.
I suggest another measure. This would be the first one and there would be not a need for any other measures. This would be:
Entire cabinet to RESIGN
To resign since they are not dealing with the first 4 priorities of Serbia but with the 5th priority. They are dealing with Kosovo since they cannot deal with first 4 priorities.
Guys, do yourself a favour, resign. You are dealing with the issues that are priority for housewife’s, pensioners and some Ex-Yugoslavs from diaspora.
The K-Albanians should not cheer to soon. Even if they are granted independence by Bush and his chums, it will be a conditional independence at best. If minority rights do not improve and refugees are unable to return to their homes, the UN or EU might be forced to rule Kosovo for a very long time...
I consider Serbia an important European and Balkan country with an important role to play.
I also, as Albanian, consider the fact that Serbia has the right political and intellectual people like President Tadic, Jeremic and a lot o others to be realistic and accept reality.
I don't absolutely want to feel or act as a winner as Albanian in this situation.
I strongly and naturally support the K-Albanians request and the right for self-determination. Kosova has never blended into Yougoslav reality never being part of it. In Bujan it was reckognized the right of the self-determination of Kosovo right after the war, but never actually respected. Kosovo was a constituent part of Yougoslavia but never a republic since the republics were made of Slavian people and Kosovo of Albanians that would break off at the very first occasion.
Now everybody is independent, all of them. Kosovo is breaking off for more reasons than the others. This is normal. All the rest are myths.
Nevertheless life must go on, we have to leave the past after us where it belongs.
The win-win strategy is to see the future with realism.
Despite all the words and diplomatic playing everybody knows that with a 9% inflation no wise state can declare any sort of war to the world.
Come the 11th December there will be;
No Illegal declaration of independence from serbs north of Mitrovica
No Illegal recognition from Serbia
No Violence - NATO will swiftly act against any criminal gangs north of Mitrovica
This is what I call international diplomacy at its best.
Well, it’s quite simple: don’t expect Serbia to nurture and usher the newly created US sponsored monster.
they had no problem ushering into their fold and away from the albanians in 1913 by the same european powers, with an exception to russia, who are all going to vote to rightfully return it to the albanians.
belgrade mismanaged the former yugo and as a result...lost it. the same applies to kosove.
Many people today don't understand the significance of this act, but later it will be considered as an historical gesture that unfortunately was not followed by the Serbian regime.
(Clean Cut, 4 December 2007 16:45)
clean cut,
that's an excellent point. however, we have to bear in mind that the kosovar albanians are dealing w/certain politicians in belgrade and for those particular serbs and their self-righteous arrogance, it's beneath them to even acknowledge the people they've long enjoyed keeping down.
it's a shame that they do their own people such a disservice.
Montenegrians must be sighing relief to have escape from this destructive mentality that seems to be widespread among serbian politicians.
(nikshala, 4 December 2007 15:45)
nik,
i liken it to a little boy who has a nice, shiny ball on the playground and because he's not able to play...he gets mad and "takes his ball home."
a prime example of the importance in voting when electing your leaders.
Serbian MFA should open a kiosk on Nikola Tesla Airport. That way, delegations of separatist movements who come to Belgrade for recognition will lose no time.
Serbia should reciprocitate and and recognize Secessionist movements as independent states in every country that breach UN Charter and recognize second Albanian country on Serbian soil.
The prospective customers are plentiful. There are less than 200 UN members, and more than 10000 ethnic groups worldwide. Some of them hostile to the domicile country.
Jeremic should say: You want independent Kosovo? You will have it in your own back yard. Albanians want to set up an example that the crime does pay. Those who support them should foot the bill also.
There is nothing to prevent Serbia from doing it once UN Charter, OSCE Charter are broken.
What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
After the partition of Kosovn at the Ibar & a popultion swap (Serbs in s-Kosovo with the valley albanians) I don't think Serbia will cut off ties. But an economic blockaid of s-kosovo for a short time is vary posible.
Well, it’s quite simple: don’t expect Serbia to nurture and usher the newly created US sponsored monster. All steps, short of military, are logical and justified. Serbia has, however, to do a proper Risk Mitigation Analysis and Due Diligence process and learn from others(i.e. China – Tibet / Formosa). Again and again, EU/US had decided to create a state of simmering “low level” misbalance in Balkans enabling them, in future, to pull the strings whenever they feel so. What is really sad is to see the midget states, like Slovenia, getting high on a power trip just because they have been tasked to support the tactical level of Big Guy’s dirty Master Plan.
Why is everyone worried about what Serbia will do if kosovo declares independence. if they want to cut off there nose then let them what business is it of anyone but the Serbian people!! Why is the pro albanian side worried? don't say you are not because if you were not then you would not be posting here. Or is it you are worried about the cheap goods, electrical supply ablility to legally obtain Serbian passports which so many kosovo albanians have because that unmik passport is not worth squat.
I think the anti Serb crowd is reading too much into the Serb gov. statement.
Be more worried about the Serbs exploiting all legal means at their disposal, done so with the support of Russia.
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