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Saturday, 01.12.2007.

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"Kosovo to enjoy greater autonomy than Catalonia"

Serbia is offering Kosovo autonomy that would be wider than that enjoyed by Catalonia and the Basque country.

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Artan

pre 16 godina

Ratko,

Its because of people like you us Albanians will refuse to compromise Independence. You have live comfortably in Serbia and were clueless of the crackdown on the Albanians, or you just chose to be racist and ignorant.

I lived in Prishtina and I was exposed to the unjust Serbian treatment...Yes my school was closed down by Serbians and we had to setup private clases at students houses. Yes my parents were fired from work just like all other Albanians.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"according to serb posters (peggy) we albanians will take over the whole world....hahah really funy
my dearset peggy... all these lands you have mentiond aboove were taken from us ...
(freedom, 2 December 2007 03:19) "

Taken from you? Please you are making me laugh. So maybe the whole of europe was once inhabited by albanians in the dinosaur age.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"how many times did the Spanish close down Catalonia and Basque schools, get rid of Catalonia and Basque workers, sent in colonist with guns by the blessing of the church etcetera etcetera?"

To adriano.

What are you talking about? Why are you spreading propaganda?? When Serb police was sent in - they were sent to restore order in KiM because of albanian seperatists.

The albanians had schools in albanian, radio stations, tv stations etc... they had everything. They were free to do anything. They had more freedom than in america. But no that wasn't enough because they wanted to steal the whole Serbian province.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

Well said Jeremic!!
america needs to understand that we are not allowing albans to create another albanian country on Serbian soil!

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

"how many times did the Spanish close down Catalonia and Basque schools, get rid of Catalonia and Basque workers, sent in colonist with guns by the blessing of the church etcetera etcetera? - adriano"

Adriano, Did you ever hear of a little event in the 1930s called the Spanish Civil War? No? Well let me enlighten you what happened to the many Basque and Catalan workers who sided with the democratically elected Spanish Republic. For their punishment of siding against the fascist junta of Generalissimo Franco, they were murdered in their hundreds of thousands, forced out from their homes and jobs, replaced by Spanish speaking colonists especially in Vizcaya in Basque Region, tortured, forced to flee the homelands, forbidden at the point of imprisionment from speaking their native Basque and Catalan tongue and all aspects of their culture oppressed. The Basque and Catalan people suffered horrendously and now today they share the same country with their Castillian and Galician countrymen in a country called Spain after being granted wide autonomy by the Spanish government, they very same state that caused them so much suffering. They compromised and now they live in peace.

These people suffered a thousand times more than you lot ever did and in many cases you were the ones who were the ethnic cleansers and having virtual control over the province most of the time in Kosmet's history.

I am sick & tired of your lies and selective history, yet it gives me great joy to debunk you crackpot, nationalist, irredentist and outright racist agendas.

Maybe you have to ask yourself, why was YOUR foreign minister doing in Spain over the weekend speaking to his Spanish, Catalan and Basque hosts? It certainly wasn't just drinking sangrias dont you think.

It cracks me up really that you can speak Spanish on the streets of Bilbao & Barcelona, speak Albanian on the streets of Belgrade, yet in Pristina.....

skipp5

pre 16 godina

Jnauary 2009 headlines. Putin states Serbia will be allowed to function with complete autonomy. Of course all final decisions will be made in Moscow. Kiss the EU goodbye he will never allow it.

Peggy

pre 16 godina

freedom. Typical Albanian stunt. Puttint words in my mouth again. I never said you will take over the whole world. I just said you will cause unrest in those other areas I mention.

But since you claim that those areas were yours all the time and were taken away from you, you just confirmed what I said. You will cause unrest there too.

Joe

pre 16 godina

What a difference between the two sides. The Albanians have all these rock solide, mature arguments. The Serbs, those types of Vuk and Peggy try to ignore all those terrible things they did against their own citizens and play more and more that hawkish and arrogant card of Kostunica. That reminds me some other ex-colonists the French. Shortly before they lost Algeria they acted the same.

Ptoleme

pre 16 godina

I suggest that Kosovars pay special attention to the fine print and not fall victim to such Serb incentives - those same traps that have led to their demise time and again.

I never knew that you could put a percentage on freedom, but according to Serb thinking, you can!

freedom

pre 16 godina

according to serb posters (peggy) we albanians will take over the whole world....hahah really funy
my dearset peggy... all these lands you have mentiond aboove were taken from us ...

johny

pre 16 godina

“Apart from foreign policy and defense"

Mr. Jeremic once you give up one those two then you can start talking about a solution which is somewhat comparable to the quasi-status we have now.

1) The Serbian forces will not be allowed to be in charge of security for Kosova/o even if that is just on paper. Not after they killed thousands and ethnically cleansed by the millions.

2) Serbs will not be allowed to make the international politics of Albanians. Not after they call us terrorists, thieves, criminal and all kinds of offenses on a daily basis.

Peggy

pre 16 godina

It was a mistake to give them that much autonomy in the first place. No other country in the world has done that and never will.

Now Eruope is repating the same mistake that Serbia made. Giving Albanians anything just because they threaten violence.

Let them be violent. There isn't enough to make a difference. Today Serbia, tomorrow Macedonia, Montenegro, Greece and who knows what next.
With such an appauling history of minority treatment they are not in a position to join Europe.

PJD

pre 16 godina

lazer, you can speak Castilian Spanish openly in Barcelona with the fear of being attacked. Not like people speaking Serbian (or even Bulgarian) in Priština who have been attacked.

lazer

pre 16 godina

I have one and only one question for Mr. Jeremic, since he is playing the Spanish card (Spain is dragging its feet on Kosova/o recognition).Do you really believe that Albanians are going to even consider your Spanish solution???
You must be living in another planet since we all know the animosities that exist between Catalonians and Spanish peoples, not to mentioned the Basques.
And Mr. jeremic, I am going to wish you a Merry Chrismass and Happy New Year from New York City, where I am hoping that UN's Ban Ki Moon will give us all some relief. We will celebrate and hope that our two nations will stay next to each other in peace for years to come.

doni

pre 16 godina

read this:

http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=news.press.release.page&obj_id=140726


If the west had any brains they would side with the Serbs in order to kick Russia's influence out. Albanians and Muslims are becoming a European problem, so it's kinda retarded to support them.
(Lazar, 1 December 2007 23:20)

then why the west dont support serbia, tell me a reason?
if they support serbia they can have still kosovo and kick out russian influence..

Lazar

pre 16 godina

It is a mistake to give them ANY autonomy. What autonomy was given to them was done on purpose to harm the serbs... Tito was an expert at harming us. Why on earth should we follow that what the slovenian-croat anti-serb did? It's like shooting ourselves in the foot, and albanians complain that we took the bullets out of our feet.

EA, nobody is ignoring those facts. Your problem is that you are ignoring that the overwhelming majority of the ethnic cleansing happened after the bombing, as a result of it. Go educate yourself by reading "new military humanism", by noam chomsky. You speak of colonists... it is no secret that Albanian migration started to Kosovo when the Turks came. They are the colonists. The serbs are the victims that have been continually cleansed, all the time asides from the period between 1918 and 1941. We were the victims of brutal albanian muslim oppression, and we are the victims. Of course though, the West says that the albanians are the only victims because they don't mind being a banana colony... the serbs do mind being a banana colony. Well, they did until 2000...

Mr Simple Mind, that is not a fact... for the serbian ruins our monuments by far outdate any albanian monuments or such stuff. In fact, there is non such albanian monuments there that are anywhere close to the age of ours.

If the west had any brains they would side with the Serbs in order to kick Russia's influence out. Albanians and Muslims are becoming a European problem, so it's kinda retarded to support them.

Djordje

pre 16 godina

Adriano, those "colonists from the North" were your neighbors who lived in Kosovo for centuries and whom you have ethnically cleansed. Your nationalistic blindness completely prevents you from seeing the injustice that the Albanians have done to these people. The Albanians really did have the moral high ground until the late 1990s. But, after you joyfully ethnically cleansed your neighbors in 1999 and tried to finish off the survivors in 2004, you completely lost it. The inhumanity of your statements and the support that other Albanian readers are giving you stinks of racism.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

Kosova/Dardania is already de facto Independent. It will be de jure very soon. Terminolgy such as "autonomy" or anything close to that belong to the past. It is time to tell your own people that Kosova is your neighboring state and that you plan to aknowledge it in the near future.

adriano

pre 16 godina

ladies and gents if something happens only once in a lifetime it will stay once in a lifetime. if it happens twice it will undoubtedly happen again and again. These Serbian games with the international law are nothing more than a continuation from the belgrade empire trying to expand. The only solution would be to declare kosovo independent once and that would be the end of the story. Prosperity in the region would catch up with the rest of the sorounding nations. Peace and prosperity for everyone that deserves it.

Cythi

pre 16 godina

Mr. Jeremic it's seams that you are trying to do good campaign all over you go. But you have to remember that now is 21st century, and you can not persuade even Spanish people, and you know why? Because, Spanish people they did not commit any atrocity to the Catalans and they did not do ethnic cleansing to Catalans in modern era. So Mr. Jeremic I can say that you speak good English because you have finished the education abroad, and you should be more open minded, understand that now we live in 21st century everybody rules their house, not like in old times. So please use the knowledge you have gained abroad and not using Kostunica’s mind which I can say that he is looser and I believe that you don’t like to look like him. Moreover, I just hope that Serbian parliament one day they will wake from radical coma and will realise that is not 19th century but 21st.

samir

pre 16 godina

Mr.Jeremic what you are talking about?! Kosovo had a greater autonomy if compared to Catalonia as early as in 70s. Kosovo had an autonomy which was stripped off against its people's will. Even one of the rotative presidents of the former SFRY was from Kosovo. Furthermore you cannot offer something that is not in your hand. Kosovo's current status is under UN administration, but you are behaving as if you are running Kosovo. In the end of the day Kosovo was in war with Serbia, and the international mediated negotiations are being organized to make peace You know if there were no aggressor in Kosovo, there would have been no need for the international community to intervene. You know that NATO troops came in Kosovo to protect Kosovars from Serbia's army and police.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Mr Jeremic once again surprised me very positively. He is energetic young man preforming his role of foreign minister in a highest level by protecting Serbia and its interests by substational and mere arguments. Excellent said Mr Jeremic, Serbia is with you by all heart.

Simple Mind

pre 16 godina

Although I very much respected until now Mr Jeremić’s flexible approach in finding the final solution to Kosova(o)’s status I’m afraid he has been recently leaning towards more and more hawkish (rigid) line of Mr Kostunica and Co. Extremism is not the answer and certainly not the quality one would need while negotiating. It is more about understanding the needs and respecting the rights of the party you are negotiating with.

Nevertheless just for the argument:

I do understand from the various local and international media, and even now from this interview of Mr Jeremić that Serbia is “offering” Kosova (o) a wide autonomy within Serbia but Serbia would retain monetary policy, guard borders, foreign policy, defence etc.

Let me recall two aspects from the recent history that completely dispute Serbia’s claim over Kosova(o):

LEGAL: All agree to the undeniable fact (see also the Yugoslav Constitution from 1974): The former Yugoslav federation comprised of Eight Autonomous Federal Units: Six Autonomous Republics (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia) and Two Autonomous Provinces, Kosova(o) and Vojvodina. All eight federal units had the VETO right. So no decision could be taken or no law could be passed in the federal parliament without the CONSENT of all eight federal units.

The autonomy (without the VETO right) within Serbia that Serbia is offering Kosova(o) is less than what Kosova(o) already had within the Yugoslav Federation before Mr Milosević revoked by force in 1998. Today Kosova is run jointly by UNMIK and PISG (Kosova(o) Provisional Institutions of Self-Government). So why would Kosovars want/accept to be reintegrated into Serbia and ruled again by Serbia’s authorities, where it is exactly those authorities that deported more than half of the Kosova’s population just eight years ago? True, both Serbs and Albanians conducted bad deeds and perpetrators from both sides must be judged before courts, but nowadays the choice for the future is Kosova’s and not Serbia’s.

HISTORICAL: Albanians say they are descendants of Illyrians (tribes who lived in the territory of the whole former Yugoslavia) are indigenous people of Kosova(o) and they have been living there forever. Serbs say Kosovo was the birthplace of the one of the first Serb Kingdoms (in the 13-14th century), and it represents the cradle of their national identity.

There must be a bit of truth in the claim of the both sides, but today we are living in a different reality and (hopefully) in a more civilised world. Reality on the ground is the decisive argument over the claim over Kosova(o)…. My true wish is that both Albanians and Serbs need to get along with each other and live in harmony be it in the same state or in two separate states. As it seems today it is more realistic to expect that they will live in two separate states.

adriano

pre 16 godina

Mr Vuk you remind me of the tale about the boy that cried wolf.
how convenient that you mention Catalonia and the Basque in Spain. how many times did the Spanish close down Catalonia and Basque schools, get rid of Catalonia and Basque workers, sent in colonist with guns by the blessing of the church etcetera etcetera? You are being supported by the only other country that specialise in colonisation Russia. Accept independence if you are a foreign minister because since the world gave something they didn't own to someone who didn't deserve it Serbia. But the place on the ground started doing its self correctness from the beginning's to go back to have what they had before the colonists from north showed up a little to close.

EA

pre 16 godina

He is still playing the same trampet. In current situation Serbia is prepared to "offer" not only 95 per cent independence but 99.99 per cent just for the Kosovar Albanians to accept to remain Serbian citizens. The problem with Serbia and Russia is that there is a desperate attempt to ignore the historical FACTS of Kosova and that includes the ethnic cleansing against the ethnic Albanians as well as the war against this ethnic cleansing policies of the Serbian state. Any parellism drawn in solving the Kosova issue is unrealistic, misleading and unhelpful. Kosova is a sui generis case. Serbia has nothing to offer now as Kosova is physically independent from Serbia, as it lost a war. Let's face the reality. It would be a lesson for any dictarorship in the world that any policy based on ethnic cleansing is designed to fail with the possible outcome of "risking losing your own country".

EA

pre 16 godina

He is still playing the same trampet. In current situation Serbia is prepared to "offer" not only 95 per cent independence but 99.99 per cent just for the Kosovar Albanians to accept to remain Serbian citizens. The problem with Serbia and Russia is that there is a desperate attempt to ignore the historical FACTS of Kosova and that includes the ethnic cleansing against the ethnic Albanians as well as the war against this ethnic cleansing policies of the Serbian state. Any parellism drawn in solving the Kosova issue is unrealistic, misleading and unhelpful. Kosova is a sui generis case. Serbia has nothing to offer now as Kosova is physically independent from Serbia, as it lost a war. Let's face the reality. It would be a lesson for any dictarorship in the world that any policy based on ethnic cleansing is designed to fail with the possible outcome of "risking losing your own country".

adriano

pre 16 godina

Mr Vuk you remind me of the tale about the boy that cried wolf.
how convenient that you mention Catalonia and the Basque in Spain. how many times did the Spanish close down Catalonia and Basque schools, get rid of Catalonia and Basque workers, sent in colonist with guns by the blessing of the church etcetera etcetera? You are being supported by the only other country that specialise in colonisation Russia. Accept independence if you are a foreign minister because since the world gave something they didn't own to someone who didn't deserve it Serbia. But the place on the ground started doing its self correctness from the beginning's to go back to have what they had before the colonists from north showed up a little to close.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Mr Jeremic once again surprised me very positively. He is energetic young man preforming his role of foreign minister in a highest level by protecting Serbia and its interests by substational and mere arguments. Excellent said Mr Jeremic, Serbia is with you by all heart.

samir

pre 16 godina

Mr.Jeremic what you are talking about?! Kosovo had a greater autonomy if compared to Catalonia as early as in 70s. Kosovo had an autonomy which was stripped off against its people's will. Even one of the rotative presidents of the former SFRY was from Kosovo. Furthermore you cannot offer something that is not in your hand. Kosovo's current status is under UN administration, but you are behaving as if you are running Kosovo. In the end of the day Kosovo was in war with Serbia, and the international mediated negotiations are being organized to make peace You know if there were no aggressor in Kosovo, there would have been no need for the international community to intervene. You know that NATO troops came in Kosovo to protect Kosovars from Serbia's army and police.

Cythi

pre 16 godina

Mr. Jeremic it's seams that you are trying to do good campaign all over you go. But you have to remember that now is 21st century, and you can not persuade even Spanish people, and you know why? Because, Spanish people they did not commit any atrocity to the Catalans and they did not do ethnic cleansing to Catalans in modern era. So Mr. Jeremic I can say that you speak good English because you have finished the education abroad, and you should be more open minded, understand that now we live in 21st century everybody rules their house, not like in old times. So please use the knowledge you have gained abroad and not using Kostunica’s mind which I can say that he is looser and I believe that you don’t like to look like him. Moreover, I just hope that Serbian parliament one day they will wake from radical coma and will realise that is not 19th century but 21st.

Simple Mind

pre 16 godina

Although I very much respected until now Mr Jeremić’s flexible approach in finding the final solution to Kosova(o)’s status I’m afraid he has been recently leaning towards more and more hawkish (rigid) line of Mr Kostunica and Co. Extremism is not the answer and certainly not the quality one would need while negotiating. It is more about understanding the needs and respecting the rights of the party you are negotiating with.

Nevertheless just for the argument:

I do understand from the various local and international media, and even now from this interview of Mr Jeremić that Serbia is “offering” Kosova (o) a wide autonomy within Serbia but Serbia would retain monetary policy, guard borders, foreign policy, defence etc.

Let me recall two aspects from the recent history that completely dispute Serbia’s claim over Kosova(o):

LEGAL: All agree to the undeniable fact (see also the Yugoslav Constitution from 1974): The former Yugoslav federation comprised of Eight Autonomous Federal Units: Six Autonomous Republics (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia) and Two Autonomous Provinces, Kosova(o) and Vojvodina. All eight federal units had the VETO right. So no decision could be taken or no law could be passed in the federal parliament without the CONSENT of all eight federal units.

The autonomy (without the VETO right) within Serbia that Serbia is offering Kosova(o) is less than what Kosova(o) already had within the Yugoslav Federation before Mr Milosević revoked by force in 1998. Today Kosova is run jointly by UNMIK and PISG (Kosova(o) Provisional Institutions of Self-Government). So why would Kosovars want/accept to be reintegrated into Serbia and ruled again by Serbia’s authorities, where it is exactly those authorities that deported more than half of the Kosova’s population just eight years ago? True, both Serbs and Albanians conducted bad deeds and perpetrators from both sides must be judged before courts, but nowadays the choice for the future is Kosova’s and not Serbia’s.

HISTORICAL: Albanians say they are descendants of Illyrians (tribes who lived in the territory of the whole former Yugoslavia) are indigenous people of Kosova(o) and they have been living there forever. Serbs say Kosovo was the birthplace of the one of the first Serb Kingdoms (in the 13-14th century), and it represents the cradle of their national identity.

There must be a bit of truth in the claim of the both sides, but today we are living in a different reality and (hopefully) in a more civilised world. Reality on the ground is the decisive argument over the claim over Kosova(o)…. My true wish is that both Albanians and Serbs need to get along with each other and live in harmony be it in the same state or in two separate states. As it seems today it is more realistic to expect that they will live in two separate states.

adriano

pre 16 godina

ladies and gents if something happens only once in a lifetime it will stay once in a lifetime. if it happens twice it will undoubtedly happen again and again. These Serbian games with the international law are nothing more than a continuation from the belgrade empire trying to expand. The only solution would be to declare kosovo independent once and that would be the end of the story. Prosperity in the region would catch up with the rest of the sorounding nations. Peace and prosperity for everyone that deserves it.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

Kosova/Dardania is already de facto Independent. It will be de jure very soon. Terminolgy such as "autonomy" or anything close to that belong to the past. It is time to tell your own people that Kosova is your neighboring state and that you plan to aknowledge it in the near future.

lazer

pre 16 godina

I have one and only one question for Mr. Jeremic, since he is playing the Spanish card (Spain is dragging its feet on Kosova/o recognition).Do you really believe that Albanians are going to even consider your Spanish solution???
You must be living in another planet since we all know the animosities that exist between Catalonians and Spanish peoples, not to mentioned the Basques.
And Mr. jeremic, I am going to wish you a Merry Chrismass and Happy New Year from New York City, where I am hoping that UN's Ban Ki Moon will give us all some relief. We will celebrate and hope that our two nations will stay next to each other in peace for years to come.

Djordje

pre 16 godina

Adriano, those "colonists from the North" were your neighbors who lived in Kosovo for centuries and whom you have ethnically cleansed. Your nationalistic blindness completely prevents you from seeing the injustice that the Albanians have done to these people. The Albanians really did have the moral high ground until the late 1990s. But, after you joyfully ethnically cleansed your neighbors in 1999 and tried to finish off the survivors in 2004, you completely lost it. The inhumanity of your statements and the support that other Albanian readers are giving you stinks of racism.

Lazar

pre 16 godina

It is a mistake to give them ANY autonomy. What autonomy was given to them was done on purpose to harm the serbs... Tito was an expert at harming us. Why on earth should we follow that what the slovenian-croat anti-serb did? It's like shooting ourselves in the foot, and albanians complain that we took the bullets out of our feet.

EA, nobody is ignoring those facts. Your problem is that you are ignoring that the overwhelming majority of the ethnic cleansing happened after the bombing, as a result of it. Go educate yourself by reading "new military humanism", by noam chomsky. You speak of colonists... it is no secret that Albanian migration started to Kosovo when the Turks came. They are the colonists. The serbs are the victims that have been continually cleansed, all the time asides from the period between 1918 and 1941. We were the victims of brutal albanian muslim oppression, and we are the victims. Of course though, the West says that the albanians are the only victims because they don't mind being a banana colony... the serbs do mind being a banana colony. Well, they did until 2000...

Mr Simple Mind, that is not a fact... for the serbian ruins our monuments by far outdate any albanian monuments or such stuff. In fact, there is non such albanian monuments there that are anywhere close to the age of ours.

If the west had any brains they would side with the Serbs in order to kick Russia's influence out. Albanians and Muslims are becoming a European problem, so it's kinda retarded to support them.

Peggy

pre 16 godina

It was a mistake to give them that much autonomy in the first place. No other country in the world has done that and never will.

Now Eruope is repating the same mistake that Serbia made. Giving Albanians anything just because they threaten violence.

Let them be violent. There isn't enough to make a difference. Today Serbia, tomorrow Macedonia, Montenegro, Greece and who knows what next.
With such an appauling history of minority treatment they are not in a position to join Europe.

johny

pre 16 godina

“Apart from foreign policy and defense"

Mr. Jeremic once you give up one those two then you can start talking about a solution which is somewhat comparable to the quasi-status we have now.

1) The Serbian forces will not be allowed to be in charge of security for Kosova/o even if that is just on paper. Not after they killed thousands and ethnically cleansed by the millions.

2) Serbs will not be allowed to make the international politics of Albanians. Not after they call us terrorists, thieves, criminal and all kinds of offenses on a daily basis.

freedom

pre 16 godina

according to serb posters (peggy) we albanians will take over the whole world....hahah really funy
my dearset peggy... all these lands you have mentiond aboove were taken from us ...

doni

pre 16 godina

read this:

http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=news.press.release.page&obj_id=140726


If the west had any brains they would side with the Serbs in order to kick Russia's influence out. Albanians and Muslims are becoming a European problem, so it's kinda retarded to support them.
(Lazar, 1 December 2007 23:20)

then why the west dont support serbia, tell me a reason?
if they support serbia they can have still kosovo and kick out russian influence..

PJD

pre 16 godina

lazer, you can speak Castilian Spanish openly in Barcelona with the fear of being attacked. Not like people speaking Serbian (or even Bulgarian) in Priština who have been attacked.

Ptoleme

pre 16 godina

I suggest that Kosovars pay special attention to the fine print and not fall victim to such Serb incentives - those same traps that have led to their demise time and again.

I never knew that you could put a percentage on freedom, but according to Serb thinking, you can!

Joe

pre 16 godina

What a difference between the two sides. The Albanians have all these rock solide, mature arguments. The Serbs, those types of Vuk and Peggy try to ignore all those terrible things they did against their own citizens and play more and more that hawkish and arrogant card of Kostunica. That reminds me some other ex-colonists the French. Shortly before they lost Algeria they acted the same.

Peggy

pre 16 godina

freedom. Typical Albanian stunt. Puttint words in my mouth again. I never said you will take over the whole world. I just said you will cause unrest in those other areas I mention.

But since you claim that those areas were yours all the time and were taken away from you, you just confirmed what I said. You will cause unrest there too.

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

"how many times did the Spanish close down Catalonia and Basque schools, get rid of Catalonia and Basque workers, sent in colonist with guns by the blessing of the church etcetera etcetera? - adriano"

Adriano, Did you ever hear of a little event in the 1930s called the Spanish Civil War? No? Well let me enlighten you what happened to the many Basque and Catalan workers who sided with the democratically elected Spanish Republic. For their punishment of siding against the fascist junta of Generalissimo Franco, they were murdered in their hundreds of thousands, forced out from their homes and jobs, replaced by Spanish speaking colonists especially in Vizcaya in Basque Region, tortured, forced to flee the homelands, forbidden at the point of imprisionment from speaking their native Basque and Catalan tongue and all aspects of their culture oppressed. The Basque and Catalan people suffered horrendously and now today they share the same country with their Castillian and Galician countrymen in a country called Spain after being granted wide autonomy by the Spanish government, they very same state that caused them so much suffering. They compromised and now they live in peace.

These people suffered a thousand times more than you lot ever did and in many cases you were the ones who were the ethnic cleansers and having virtual control over the province most of the time in Kosmet's history.

I am sick & tired of your lies and selective history, yet it gives me great joy to debunk you crackpot, nationalist, irredentist and outright racist agendas.

Maybe you have to ask yourself, why was YOUR foreign minister doing in Spain over the weekend speaking to his Spanish, Catalan and Basque hosts? It certainly wasn't just drinking sangrias dont you think.

It cracks me up really that you can speak Spanish on the streets of Bilbao & Barcelona, speak Albanian on the streets of Belgrade, yet in Pristina.....

Ratko

pre 16 godina

Well said Jeremic!!
america needs to understand that we are not allowing albans to create another albanian country on Serbian soil!

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"how many times did the Spanish close down Catalonia and Basque schools, get rid of Catalonia and Basque workers, sent in colonist with guns by the blessing of the church etcetera etcetera?"

To adriano.

What are you talking about? Why are you spreading propaganda?? When Serb police was sent in - they were sent to restore order in KiM because of albanian seperatists.

The albanians had schools in albanian, radio stations, tv stations etc... they had everything. They were free to do anything. They had more freedom than in america. But no that wasn't enough because they wanted to steal the whole Serbian province.

skipp5

pre 16 godina

Jnauary 2009 headlines. Putin states Serbia will be allowed to function with complete autonomy. Of course all final decisions will be made in Moscow. Kiss the EU goodbye he will never allow it.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"according to serb posters (peggy) we albanians will take over the whole world....hahah really funy
my dearset peggy... all these lands you have mentiond aboove were taken from us ...
(freedom, 2 December 2007 03:19) "

Taken from you? Please you are making me laugh. So maybe the whole of europe was once inhabited by albanians in the dinosaur age.

Artan

pre 16 godina

Ratko,

Its because of people like you us Albanians will refuse to compromise Independence. You have live comfortably in Serbia and were clueless of the crackdown on the Albanians, or you just chose to be racist and ignorant.

I lived in Prishtina and I was exposed to the unjust Serbian treatment...Yes my school was closed down by Serbians and we had to setup private clases at students houses. Yes my parents were fired from work just like all other Albanians.

adriano

pre 16 godina

Mr Vuk you remind me of the tale about the boy that cried wolf.
how convenient that you mention Catalonia and the Basque in Spain. how many times did the Spanish close down Catalonia and Basque schools, get rid of Catalonia and Basque workers, sent in colonist with guns by the blessing of the church etcetera etcetera? You are being supported by the only other country that specialise in colonisation Russia. Accept independence if you are a foreign minister because since the world gave something they didn't own to someone who didn't deserve it Serbia. But the place on the ground started doing its self correctness from the beginning's to go back to have what they had before the colonists from north showed up a little to close.

samir

pre 16 godina

Mr.Jeremic what you are talking about?! Kosovo had a greater autonomy if compared to Catalonia as early as in 70s. Kosovo had an autonomy which was stripped off against its people's will. Even one of the rotative presidents of the former SFRY was from Kosovo. Furthermore you cannot offer something that is not in your hand. Kosovo's current status is under UN administration, but you are behaving as if you are running Kosovo. In the end of the day Kosovo was in war with Serbia, and the international mediated negotiations are being organized to make peace You know if there were no aggressor in Kosovo, there would have been no need for the international community to intervene. You know that NATO troops came in Kosovo to protect Kosovars from Serbia's army and police.

EA

pre 16 godina

He is still playing the same trampet. In current situation Serbia is prepared to "offer" not only 95 per cent independence but 99.99 per cent just for the Kosovar Albanians to accept to remain Serbian citizens. The problem with Serbia and Russia is that there is a desperate attempt to ignore the historical FACTS of Kosova and that includes the ethnic cleansing against the ethnic Albanians as well as the war against this ethnic cleansing policies of the Serbian state. Any parellism drawn in solving the Kosova issue is unrealistic, misleading and unhelpful. Kosova is a sui generis case. Serbia has nothing to offer now as Kosova is physically independent from Serbia, as it lost a war. Let's face the reality. It would be a lesson for any dictarorship in the world that any policy based on ethnic cleansing is designed to fail with the possible outcome of "risking losing your own country".

Simple Mind

pre 16 godina

Although I very much respected until now Mr Jeremić’s flexible approach in finding the final solution to Kosova(o)’s status I’m afraid he has been recently leaning towards more and more hawkish (rigid) line of Mr Kostunica and Co. Extremism is not the answer and certainly not the quality one would need while negotiating. It is more about understanding the needs and respecting the rights of the party you are negotiating with.

Nevertheless just for the argument:

I do understand from the various local and international media, and even now from this interview of Mr Jeremić that Serbia is “offering” Kosova (o) a wide autonomy within Serbia but Serbia would retain monetary policy, guard borders, foreign policy, defence etc.

Let me recall two aspects from the recent history that completely dispute Serbia’s claim over Kosova(o):

LEGAL: All agree to the undeniable fact (see also the Yugoslav Constitution from 1974): The former Yugoslav federation comprised of Eight Autonomous Federal Units: Six Autonomous Republics (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia) and Two Autonomous Provinces, Kosova(o) and Vojvodina. All eight federal units had the VETO right. So no decision could be taken or no law could be passed in the federal parliament without the CONSENT of all eight federal units.

The autonomy (without the VETO right) within Serbia that Serbia is offering Kosova(o) is less than what Kosova(o) already had within the Yugoslav Federation before Mr Milosević revoked by force in 1998. Today Kosova is run jointly by UNMIK and PISG (Kosova(o) Provisional Institutions of Self-Government). So why would Kosovars want/accept to be reintegrated into Serbia and ruled again by Serbia’s authorities, where it is exactly those authorities that deported more than half of the Kosova’s population just eight years ago? True, both Serbs and Albanians conducted bad deeds and perpetrators from both sides must be judged before courts, but nowadays the choice for the future is Kosova’s and not Serbia’s.

HISTORICAL: Albanians say they are descendants of Illyrians (tribes who lived in the territory of the whole former Yugoslavia) are indigenous people of Kosova(o) and they have been living there forever. Serbs say Kosovo was the birthplace of the one of the first Serb Kingdoms (in the 13-14th century), and it represents the cradle of their national identity.

There must be a bit of truth in the claim of the both sides, but today we are living in a different reality and (hopefully) in a more civilised world. Reality on the ground is the decisive argument over the claim over Kosova(o)…. My true wish is that both Albanians and Serbs need to get along with each other and live in harmony be it in the same state or in two separate states. As it seems today it is more realistic to expect that they will live in two separate states.

Cythi

pre 16 godina

Mr. Jeremic it's seams that you are trying to do good campaign all over you go. But you have to remember that now is 21st century, and you can not persuade even Spanish people, and you know why? Because, Spanish people they did not commit any atrocity to the Catalans and they did not do ethnic cleansing to Catalans in modern era. So Mr. Jeremic I can say that you speak good English because you have finished the education abroad, and you should be more open minded, understand that now we live in 21st century everybody rules their house, not like in old times. So please use the knowledge you have gained abroad and not using Kostunica’s mind which I can say that he is looser and I believe that you don’t like to look like him. Moreover, I just hope that Serbian parliament one day they will wake from radical coma and will realise that is not 19th century but 21st.

adriano

pre 16 godina

ladies and gents if something happens only once in a lifetime it will stay once in a lifetime. if it happens twice it will undoubtedly happen again and again. These Serbian games with the international law are nothing more than a continuation from the belgrade empire trying to expand. The only solution would be to declare kosovo independent once and that would be the end of the story. Prosperity in the region would catch up with the rest of the sorounding nations. Peace and prosperity for everyone that deserves it.

Djordje

pre 16 godina

Adriano, those "colonists from the North" were your neighbors who lived in Kosovo for centuries and whom you have ethnically cleansed. Your nationalistic blindness completely prevents you from seeing the injustice that the Albanians have done to these people. The Albanians really did have the moral high ground until the late 1990s. But, after you joyfully ethnically cleansed your neighbors in 1999 and tried to finish off the survivors in 2004, you completely lost it. The inhumanity of your statements and the support that other Albanian readers are giving you stinks of racism.

Joe

pre 16 godina

What a difference between the two sides. The Albanians have all these rock solide, mature arguments. The Serbs, those types of Vuk and Peggy try to ignore all those terrible things they did against their own citizens and play more and more that hawkish and arrogant card of Kostunica. That reminds me some other ex-colonists the French. Shortly before they lost Algeria they acted the same.

Peggy

pre 16 godina

freedom. Typical Albanian stunt. Puttint words in my mouth again. I never said you will take over the whole world. I just said you will cause unrest in those other areas I mention.

But since you claim that those areas were yours all the time and were taken away from you, you just confirmed what I said. You will cause unrest there too.

skipp5

pre 16 godina

Jnauary 2009 headlines. Putin states Serbia will be allowed to function with complete autonomy. Of course all final decisions will be made in Moscow. Kiss the EU goodbye he will never allow it.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Mr Jeremic once again surprised me very positively. He is energetic young man preforming his role of foreign minister in a highest level by protecting Serbia and its interests by substational and mere arguments. Excellent said Mr Jeremic, Serbia is with you by all heart.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

Kosova/Dardania is already de facto Independent. It will be de jure very soon. Terminolgy such as "autonomy" or anything close to that belong to the past. It is time to tell your own people that Kosova is your neighboring state and that you plan to aknowledge it in the near future.

Lazar

pre 16 godina

It is a mistake to give them ANY autonomy. What autonomy was given to them was done on purpose to harm the serbs... Tito was an expert at harming us. Why on earth should we follow that what the slovenian-croat anti-serb did? It's like shooting ourselves in the foot, and albanians complain that we took the bullets out of our feet.

EA, nobody is ignoring those facts. Your problem is that you are ignoring that the overwhelming majority of the ethnic cleansing happened after the bombing, as a result of it. Go educate yourself by reading "new military humanism", by noam chomsky. You speak of colonists... it is no secret that Albanian migration started to Kosovo when the Turks came. They are the colonists. The serbs are the victims that have been continually cleansed, all the time asides from the period between 1918 and 1941. We were the victims of brutal albanian muslim oppression, and we are the victims. Of course though, the West says that the albanians are the only victims because they don't mind being a banana colony... the serbs do mind being a banana colony. Well, they did until 2000...

Mr Simple Mind, that is not a fact... for the serbian ruins our monuments by far outdate any albanian monuments or such stuff. In fact, there is non such albanian monuments there that are anywhere close to the age of ours.

If the west had any brains they would side with the Serbs in order to kick Russia's influence out. Albanians and Muslims are becoming a European problem, so it's kinda retarded to support them.

lazer

pre 16 godina

I have one and only one question for Mr. Jeremic, since he is playing the Spanish card (Spain is dragging its feet on Kosova/o recognition).Do you really believe that Albanians are going to even consider your Spanish solution???
You must be living in another planet since we all know the animosities that exist between Catalonians and Spanish peoples, not to mentioned the Basques.
And Mr. jeremic, I am going to wish you a Merry Chrismass and Happy New Year from New York City, where I am hoping that UN's Ban Ki Moon will give us all some relief. We will celebrate and hope that our two nations will stay next to each other in peace for years to come.

johny

pre 16 godina

“Apart from foreign policy and defense"

Mr. Jeremic once you give up one those two then you can start talking about a solution which is somewhat comparable to the quasi-status we have now.

1) The Serbian forces will not be allowed to be in charge of security for Kosova/o even if that is just on paper. Not after they killed thousands and ethnically cleansed by the millions.

2) Serbs will not be allowed to make the international politics of Albanians. Not after they call us terrorists, thieves, criminal and all kinds of offenses on a daily basis.

freedom

pre 16 godina

according to serb posters (peggy) we albanians will take over the whole world....hahah really funy
my dearset peggy... all these lands you have mentiond aboove were taken from us ...

Ptoleme

pre 16 godina

I suggest that Kosovars pay special attention to the fine print and not fall victim to such Serb incentives - those same traps that have led to their demise time and again.

I never knew that you could put a percentage on freedom, but according to Serb thinking, you can!

Niall O'Doherty, Ireland

pre 16 godina

"how many times did the Spanish close down Catalonia and Basque schools, get rid of Catalonia and Basque workers, sent in colonist with guns by the blessing of the church etcetera etcetera? - adriano"

Adriano, Did you ever hear of a little event in the 1930s called the Spanish Civil War? No? Well let me enlighten you what happened to the many Basque and Catalan workers who sided with the democratically elected Spanish Republic. For their punishment of siding against the fascist junta of Generalissimo Franco, they were murdered in their hundreds of thousands, forced out from their homes and jobs, replaced by Spanish speaking colonists especially in Vizcaya in Basque Region, tortured, forced to flee the homelands, forbidden at the point of imprisionment from speaking their native Basque and Catalan tongue and all aspects of their culture oppressed. The Basque and Catalan people suffered horrendously and now today they share the same country with their Castillian and Galician countrymen in a country called Spain after being granted wide autonomy by the Spanish government, they very same state that caused them so much suffering. They compromised and now they live in peace.

These people suffered a thousand times more than you lot ever did and in many cases you were the ones who were the ethnic cleansers and having virtual control over the province most of the time in Kosmet's history.

I am sick & tired of your lies and selective history, yet it gives me great joy to debunk you crackpot, nationalist, irredentist and outright racist agendas.

Maybe you have to ask yourself, why was YOUR foreign minister doing in Spain over the weekend speaking to his Spanish, Catalan and Basque hosts? It certainly wasn't just drinking sangrias dont you think.

It cracks me up really that you can speak Spanish on the streets of Bilbao & Barcelona, speak Albanian on the streets of Belgrade, yet in Pristina.....

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"according to serb posters (peggy) we albanians will take over the whole world....hahah really funy
my dearset peggy... all these lands you have mentiond aboove were taken from us ...
(freedom, 2 December 2007 03:19) "

Taken from you? Please you are making me laugh. So maybe the whole of europe was once inhabited by albanians in the dinosaur age.

Artan

pre 16 godina

Ratko,

Its because of people like you us Albanians will refuse to compromise Independence. You have live comfortably in Serbia and were clueless of the crackdown on the Albanians, or you just chose to be racist and ignorant.

I lived in Prishtina and I was exposed to the unjust Serbian treatment...Yes my school was closed down by Serbians and we had to setup private clases at students houses. Yes my parents were fired from work just like all other Albanians.

doni

pre 16 godina

read this:

http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=news.press.release.page&obj_id=140726


If the west had any brains they would side with the Serbs in order to kick Russia's influence out. Albanians and Muslims are becoming a European problem, so it's kinda retarded to support them.
(Lazar, 1 December 2007 23:20)

then why the west dont support serbia, tell me a reason?
if they support serbia they can have still kosovo and kick out russian influence..

Peggy

pre 16 godina

It was a mistake to give them that much autonomy in the first place. No other country in the world has done that and never will.

Now Eruope is repating the same mistake that Serbia made. Giving Albanians anything just because they threaten violence.

Let them be violent. There isn't enough to make a difference. Today Serbia, tomorrow Macedonia, Montenegro, Greece and who knows what next.
With such an appauling history of minority treatment they are not in a position to join Europe.

PJD

pre 16 godina

lazer, you can speak Castilian Spanish openly in Barcelona with the fear of being attacked. Not like people speaking Serbian (or even Bulgarian) in Priština who have been attacked.

Ratko

pre 16 godina

Well said Jeremic!!
america needs to understand that we are not allowing albans to create another albanian country on Serbian soil!

Ratko

pre 16 godina

"how many times did the Spanish close down Catalonia and Basque schools, get rid of Catalonia and Basque workers, sent in colonist with guns by the blessing of the church etcetera etcetera?"

To adriano.

What are you talking about? Why are you spreading propaganda?? When Serb police was sent in - they were sent to restore order in KiM because of albanian seperatists.

The albanians had schools in albanian, radio stations, tv stations etc... they had everything. They were free to do anything. They had more freedom than in america. But no that wasn't enough because they wanted to steal the whole Serbian province.