Ban, Solana support “plan B” for Kosovo

In my opinion EU should not accept Serbia as a member just because Balgrade is trying to hold Kosovo hostage.
Serbia is far away from matching the minimum political standards needed to enter EU, along with Belarus and Russia.

All that needs to be said is Resolution 1244. Wasn't that signed & agreed on by Pristina too? If so then whats the problem? As long as Resolution 1244 exists Kosovo independence doesn't!

Thank you Orthodox God.
Thank you Vlade Putin.
Thank you Russia.
Thank you the anonymous Serb Saint that spilled your blood for Serbdom.

Finally thank you west, for not completely loosing your mind.

Pyrros: As an Orthodox myself I can tell you that my "Orthodox God" seems to disagree with yours.

"This, of course, means that there is no way that a EU mission can be set up to replace UNMIK (in Kosovo) in direct contravention of Resolution 1244," Koštunica underlined.

He is 100% right and they know it. We will never allow EU to enter Kosovo without recognizing our sovereignty over it. UN and EU are paralyzed now and that all that matters. CCCC

- THANK YOU PUTIN

"It must also be confirmed by EU and UN leaders that Serbia, the Kosovo Albanians, Russia and the United States are all willing to agree to such a solution. "

- and there is the catch for all those who think International norms and laws can be broken up so easily...

So plan B does exist - EUMIK with continued Serbian Sovereignity!

For the EU unilateral declarations will be seen as a failure so time for the leadership who represent less than 45% of the Serbian provinces electorate to accept the state that have always and will continue to be in - Srbija!

Pyrros,
That must have been the first service ever delivered throught the net.
I’ll tell you what, yours sounds like a broad church if you are prepared to preach to all including non ordhdox. Something puzzles me though, how do you manage to type and keep your hands pressed together or was that just for our benefit?

"One cannot build peace and stability in the Balkans by pursuing a policy of force, illegal violence and lawlessness," Koštunica said.


OH now i see that serbs understood that violence is bad and law is better how come now they talk about law when they solved all problems that had with violence now they come and talk about law... funny

I bet Kushtunica does not respect the laws that his wife had set up on him.......

"In my opinion EU should not accept Serbia as a member just because Balgrade is trying to hold Kosovo hostage.
Serbia is far away from matching the minimum political standards needed to enter EU, along with Belarus and Russia.
(massimo, 30 November 2007 10:19)"

well i think we match the minimum, wouldn't you say now :)
but the point is, the eu is afraid to leave the key balkans player out. they have done some amazing things recently like the saa and nato letting us in partnership for peace, and we all know what the conditions were. if we play cool and easy, we can get almost everything we want, kosovo frozen or whatever included. if was 87, this would not be the case. but its 07, eu is smart and pragmatic, knows what balkans can be like, and wants to make sure everything is friendly and nice. here we will play a smart game and benefit. we're not chasing anything. seven years ago we had nothing, now the country's back on its feet economically first and foremost. we certainly have our beautiful flag flying high on the east river. we can wait, and wait. its not holding anyone hostage, kosovo happens to be our territory, we as any internationally recognized country must defend it and we are doing it peacefully, through diplomacy, and with influential friends.
anytime albanians wants to compromise and make sure that their territory lives well and prospers, i'm sure our government will be there to accept and shake that hand. for instance, the sooner our police can help kosovo police fight terrible crime levels there the better for everyone.

If I understood it well, Kosovo is still far from independence. EU just want to replace UNMIK by EU mission staff sticking to resolution 1244. Yet, Solana wants joint EU pozition and not any EU division on Kosovo status and as we know vast majority of EU countries do not share same believes as France, UK and Germany. The other states still have some doubts and the only reason to recognize Kosovo would be some form of pressure by the mighty EU countries. Still there are some 7 countries that won't recognise Kosovo even under the preassure. Well, resolution 1244 still circulates and no one has courage to violate it. That is good. Voila!
Albanians should take the Aland offer :)))

Thank you Orthodox God.
Thank you Vlade Putin.
Thank you Russia.
Thank you the anonymous Serb Saint that spilled your blood for Serbdom.

Finally thank you west, for not completely loosing your mind.
(Pyrros, 30 November 2007 11:36)

Prime example of religious extremism.

And then the serb camp have the audacity to accuse albanians of being muslim extremist! haha, if anything EU should worry about orthodox extremism in the heart of europe.

You never here albanians refering to serbs as 'christians' or 'orthodox' - but we here all the time serbs refering to us as muslims!

The problem of Kosovo has absolutely nothing to do with religion ... for albanians anyway!

To B92 if you are going to allow emotional outburst posted in here( usually those are pro serb ) these you should not censor replies towards them.
Pyrros, I wonder which god are you going to thank very soon, the latest early February. Rest assured I will be here to remind you and your gods/saints whatever they are.

Princip what you are celebreting for ?
Here is bitter pill from your lovely government

"UK troops ready for Kosovo crisis"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2219593,00.html

" Gordon Brown's government also risked Russian wrath by issuing a robust statement of support for quick Kosovan independence." - and I thought Gordon Brown was favorite PM of yours and Kate. Apparently you are not doing a good job convincing those guys with fictions from Serbian propaganda handbook.

Another reason for the EU politicians why "one should think before one speak" against the naive idea that independence for Kosovo will solve all problems. Of course the US can not understand this as they are used to speak BEFORE they think. Just look at their actions in Iraq and the whole deal about weapons about mass destructions...

bmrusila,
Yet, Solana wants joint EU pozition and not any EU division on Kosovo status and as we know vast majority of EU countries do not share same believes as France, UK and Germany. The other states still have some doubts and the only reason to recognize Kosovo would be some form of pressure by the mighty EU countries. Still there are some 7 countries that won't recognise Kosovo even under the preassure.
(bmrusila, 30 November 2007 13:46)

Well, one should not take your views seriously because you contradict yourself every time you write, even if you wrote one line only, there are lots of contradictions.

Look at the above comment of yours, in one line you say majority of EU needs to support Independent or to share the view of it then one line below you say it won't happened because still 7 countries do not agree.

So please tell us, how on earth 20 is not majority but 7 is?
Please tell us how in your mind you do such calculation?

I think you are jumping to conclusions too soon.
First of all what B92 reported does not mention anything about the status issue and the last word by the US, UK, France etc was "independence, but please coordinate it with us" and that is what will happen. So I don't understand where all the enthusiasm is coming from.
The other issue is that it makes a lot more sense to get the EU in first and then declare independence in order to counter any Russian obstruction and this looks like an attempt to do just that.
Anyway this is all speculation because at this moment none of us knows anything about Plan B at all. One thing we do know though is that it requires consensus from all, which means that K-Albanians can stop it if it does not suit them and so can the Serbs.

You have no saying, whatsoever in Kosova's affairs.
(miri, 30 November 2007 21:02)

If what you say is true then ask yourself, why are you still not independent?

"One cannot build peace and stability in the Balkans by pursuing a policy of force, illegal violence and lawlessness," Koštunica said.


OH now i see that serbs understood that violence is bad and law is better how come now they talk about law when they solved all problems that had with violence now they come and talk about law... funny

I bet Kushtunica does not respect the laws that his wife had set up on him.......
(Besim, 30 November 2007 14:44)

Why are speaking about families now besim, now if a poster is speaking of your wife you will be pissed off. respect family members and leave them out of the forums please.

Princip is 45 your lucky number?
And if the levels of support for Kosova's independence are to be judged based on the participation in elections, what can you tell me of your Constitution which claims Kosova is part of Serbia? Or the presidential and parliamentary elections?
Do you remember how many times you had to repeat them and how many Serbs voted? You might be in for a shock if you look at the figures.

nikshala

"And then the serb camp have the audacity to accuse albanians of being muslim extremist! haha, if anything EU should worry about orthodox extremism in the heart of europe."

Please tell me you are joking!

The civilized world has had its fill of terrorism in the form of 09/11, Beslan, in the form of wars (funny enough, only in Muslim countries today) in Iraq, Afghanistan and Sudan, in the form of dangerous rising extremist countries like Iran, barbaric and draconian laws in Muslim countries towards women and others who do not live and die by the Koran and you are talking about Orthodox extremism? I cannot believe this! Someone comparing a religion that advocates violence and war to a Christian religion!

I am thankful that countries like Albania and Bosnia are moderate when it comes it Islam, but no Turkey or anything like that in the EU!

ha ha, you need to love it!

2 us-puppets destroy the cardless wishbluff from us of a about the recognition of kosmet!

now that´s what i call ironic!

Which only shows that there is more room for a NEGOTIATED solution, after which we can shake hands and NEVER return to the question again.

The Assembly of Kosova will declare independence after December 10th, you can think about reducing the significance or borders as much as you want after that.

These people dont seem to get it, this whole thing is about BORDERS.

Flamur,

You did not understand my point. NO 7is not majority but 7 countries firmly stick to its decision not to recognise Kosovo. From 20 left countries only France and UK are pushing for independence while the rest of EU countries have doubts and feras of violating the law. However, Solana said that EU wants joint position with no division within EU. But there is no joint position on Kosovo recognisition since those 7 countries trully opose to. So there are only 2-3 (France, UK, and maybe Germany)countries within EU that push for independence and use kind of pressure methods on the other countries that have doubts .There is no unity, there is no independence-That is what Solana said. I do not contradicte myslef, maybe just was not that clear enough but now I hope you will understand it.

Miri, If Serbs had no say in Kosovo affairs then Kosovo would be independent by now.

Do you get it now? Tell me why Kosovo is not independent if it's a done deal. Why is this farce going on? Miri, YOU have no say in Kosovo affairs. You are under NATO supervision and IF replaced by that alliance will stay that way for ever.

Now tell me again. Who has no say in Kosovo?

Teni, you may be Orthodox but I personaly think your not. You would have blasted the destrution of orthodox sites in Kosovo in your comments. Good try. Niksala, the orthodox do not slap bombs to their children and send them off to kill innosent people. Like the muslim extremists do around the world (Salt lake, Fort Dix, Austra, NY, etc...).

This is 21st century.Territorial wars are ridiculous.Wars doesn't leed to peace and as Dutch social scientist puts:"One of the causes of wars is war itself".You already had bloody Kosovo history.Don't let it expend again through the centuries.Kosovo has been part of serbia since 9th century,but the problems started after establishing of Ottoman Empire on Balkan and creation on Alabnian country after the WWI.

"We will never allow EU to enter Kosovo without recognizing our sovereignty over it"

Who are "we", or better say you and what army is "never going to allow"? You have no saying, whatsoever in Kosova's affairs.

KS

I am talking about the 90's upwards, you are talking history (long before any of us were born). With such logic you might as well call the whole Western world a bunch of terrorists (Dutch, French, British colonialists, for example). These are different times, times of peace, it only seems these Muslims are living a life for war.

"20 million "mighty" russians "

This is the second time I think you have mocked the power of Russia. As an Albanian, I find it funny that you are mocking a country with over 7 000 nukes in its stockpile and one of the world's most powerful armies. No one is saying they are as powerful as the States, but you can be rest assured that both are significantly more powerful than Albania.

EU Mandate - that's what Kosovo will become. I'm completely fine with that. It's a way for both Belgrade and Pristina to save face while cashing in on the wealth of the European market.

A:-there is a plan.
S:-which is the plan?
A:-there is no plan.

Peter have you never heard of the biggest Christian Terrorist of them all....Hitler?

6 million Jewish people
1 million (black, gay, non-Aryan)
20 million "mighty" russians

etc..

Pyrros, I wonder which god are you going to thank very soon, the latest early Laki said >> "February. Rest assured I will be here to remind you and your gods/saints whatever they are."

Another Albanian who wants us to mark his words! How tiring and boring this is already. So you have now moved your independence date to February 2008, what happened to December 2007? After February, it will be July 2008! Get over it already… its not happening buddy. If it were meant to be and if international law could be squashed so easily it would have happened back in March or June of this year, we wouldn’t be where we are now in December.

Plan “B” is quite simply partition of Kosovo, the North goes to Serbia the rest to the Albanians. The monasteries and churches are going to have to be moved to the North side at great expense to the EU and the peace keeping force will remain in Kosovo for as long as need. The Americans will get to keep their Camp Bond Steele and quite frankly that is all they are interested in. The reason for plan B is obvious, international law will not be destroyed over the Albanians and partition would happen anyways if the Albanians declared illegal independence, but at least this way the EU can claim it was their idea and save face.

If EU and the US have had an honest desire to put an end to this mess, this would have been plan "A", not plan "B". But in that case they wouldn't be in position to twist anyone's proverbial arm, would they now? Not to mention they would have ended up with 2 million muslims more in the EU, and do they truly want that? As a reminder, Turkey has applied for membership in EU in the early '80s thus starting the longest accession process in history of EU...

I believe integrating Serbia & Kosovo into the EU will ease the pressure on independence. I'm sure that many Kosovo Albanians will leave Kosovo to look for jobs in the west and the ethnic make up of Kosovo will change as a result. Changing borders is not a viable solution, it sets a precedent, what stops you changing it again? why make Kosovo a 'hot potato'?

It is funny to see that what the Serbian posters came up with after reading this news. The conclusion of all what the article says is: Independent Kosova is Inevitable. It's as simple as that. Besides, how do you think of not considering us as neighbours and aspiring to get into EU at the same time, when one day you will have to drop down your borders and allow each and one of us Albanians to buy properties UP NORTH, even the Belgrade Squares if we want? I'm afraid Serbia will stay isolated for at least 100 more years. EU doesn't need that kind of liability on its shoulders.

Kosova will be de jure independent very soon, you like it or not.

You have no saying, whatsoever in Kosova's affairs.
(miri, 30 November 2007 21:02)

And who are you? and albanian from albania no doubt.... please stay out of our country.

The best option seems to be an eventual independence of Kosovo, however only once it's ready to join the E.U. and Serbia already is in the E.U.

Hi guys ive been out of the loop for a while and Ive read that theres trouble brewing in Bosnia, can anyone enlighten me.

20 million unarmed Russian civilians. And now 100,000 unarmed Serbian civilians in Kosovo.

"Miri, If Serbs had no say in Kosovo affairs then Kosovo would be independent by now."

If Serbia had a say then why is not Kosova/o incorporated into Serbian government and political life, as they propose in their plans?

To those Serbs with the holier than thou attitude. If you are really curious to know who killed for religious reasons in the Balkans let me know. I have a video of Serbian priests blessing children killers. The killers happen to be Serbs. This was during the war in Bosnia. Oh and before you make any judgment, I am Catholic. For us Albanians it has never been about religion. It has always been about equal rights and self determination.

"And who are you? and albanian from albania no doubt.... please stay out of our country.
(mito, 30 November 2007 22:02)"

That's precisely what I am saying an albanian from Albania and I am more welcome to Kosova than you are. My words might bite but, just like you were taught that Kosova is yours, so were we. Thus the compromise K-Albanians are offering, no union with Albania but an independence state belonging to all people of Kosova.
As far as "Why we are not independent yet?", do you really think is the other way around?

Well I was reading the comments on another page in serbian language, and there are a lot,s of serbian people that they dont even care about Kosovo, they care about theyr country Serbia that financially is on low level, they care about their life and jobs, some of them said that Kosovo is not part of Serbija, and you know what, they are serbian people that look from diferent corner, they have positive sense,people that are tired of current goverment wich got stuck in the mood,they are tired of Lazar boys,they feeling shamed in front of world,these people all ready have problems with economy,they still driving 1980s cars(zastava) because they dont have money to by one, what a shame, and for those who think different I have a saying " when you want big piece,you get nothing" so enjoy with what you got, try to build your future for your children,stop woring about something that is not yours.For end I want to thank all serbian that have positive look on Kosovo.

Now you see how much mudd is tossed when the news goes bad for one side. LOL, if they implement plan b every body will be crying like they are now. If you don't want to hear the information that is put out by B92 don't read the forum and you have no worries read reuters, cnn or the hearld tribune. then you will be happy. But we hae so many smart guys here who knows the history of Serbia and Kosovo who live OUTSIDE the country and are resident experts. Enjoy your lives outside Kosovo and Serbia. If you don't have a solution then be quite.

"One cannot build peace and stability in the Balkans by pursuing a policy of force, illegal violence and lawlessness," Koštunica said.


OH now i see that serbs understood that violence is bad and law is better how come now they talk about law when they solved all problems that had with violence now they come and talk about law... funny

I bet Kushtunica does not respect the laws that his wife had set up on him.......

In my opinion EU should not accept Serbia as a member just because Balgrade is trying to hold Kosovo hostage.
Serbia is far away from matching the minimum political standards needed to enter EU, along with Belarus and Russia.

Thank you Orthodox God.
Thank you Vlade Putin.
Thank you Russia.
Thank you the anonymous Serb Saint that spilled your blood for Serbdom.

Finally thank you west, for not completely loosing your mind.

The best option seems to be an eventual independence of Kosovo, however only once it's ready to join the E.U. and Serbia already is in the E.U.

To B92 if you are going to allow emotional outburst posted in here( usually those are pro serb ) these you should not censor replies towards them.
Pyrros, I wonder which god are you going to thank very soon, the latest early February. Rest assured I will be here to remind you and your gods/saints whatever they are.

Princip what you are celebreting for ?
Here is bitter pill from your lovely government

"UK troops ready for Kosovo crisis"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2219593,00.html

" Gordon Brown's government also risked Russian wrath by issuing a robust statement of support for quick Kosovan independence." - and I thought Gordon Brown was favorite PM of yours and Kate. Apparently you are not doing a good job convincing those guys with fictions from Serbian propaganda handbook.

Pyrros,
That must have been the first service ever delivered throught the net.
I’ll tell you what, yours sounds like a broad church if you are prepared to preach to all including non ordhdox. Something puzzles me though, how do you manage to type and keep your hands pressed together or was that just for our benefit?

Thank you Orthodox God.
Thank you Vlade Putin.
Thank you Russia.
Thank you the anonymous Serb Saint that spilled your blood for Serbdom.

Finally thank you west, for not completely loosing your mind.
(Pyrros, 30 November 2007 11:36)

Prime example of religious extremism.

And then the serb camp have the audacity to accuse albanians of being muslim extremist! haha, if anything EU should worry about orthodox extremism in the heart of europe.

You never here albanians refering to serbs as 'christians' or 'orthodox' - but we here all the time serbs refering to us as muslims!

The problem of Kosovo has absolutely nothing to do with religion ... for albanians anyway!

Peter have you never heard of the biggest Christian Terrorist of them all....Hitler?

6 million Jewish people
1 million (black, gay, non-Aryan)
20 million "mighty" russians

etc..

I think you are jumping to conclusions too soon.
First of all what B92 reported does not mention anything about the status issue and the last word by the US, UK, France etc was "independence, but please coordinate it with us" and that is what will happen. So I don't understand where all the enthusiasm is coming from.
The other issue is that it makes a lot more sense to get the EU in first and then declare independence in order to counter any Russian obstruction and this looks like an attempt to do just that.
Anyway this is all speculation because at this moment none of us knows anything about Plan B at all. One thing we do know though is that it requires consensus from all, which means that K-Albanians can stop it if it does not suit them and so can the Serbs.

Pyrros: As an Orthodox myself I can tell you that my "Orthodox God" seems to disagree with yours.

"We will never allow EU to enter Kosovo without recognizing our sovereignty over it"

Who are "we", or better say you and what army is "never going to allow"? You have no saying, whatsoever in Kosova's affairs.

Another reason for the EU politicians why "one should think before one speak" against the naive idea that independence for Kosovo will solve all problems. Of course the US can not understand this as they are used to speak BEFORE they think. Just look at their actions in Iraq and the whole deal about weapons about mass destructions...

ha ha, you need to love it!

2 us-puppets destroy the cardless wishbluff from us of a about the recognition of kosmet!

now that´s what i call ironic!

"It must also be confirmed by EU and UN leaders that Serbia, the Kosovo Albanians, Russia and the United States are all willing to agree to such a solution. "

- and there is the catch for all those who think International norms and laws can be broken up so easily...

So plan B does exist - EUMIK with continued Serbian Sovereignity!

For the EU unilateral declarations will be seen as a failure so time for the leadership who represent less than 45% of the Serbian provinces electorate to accept the state that have always and will continue to be in - Srbija!

If I understood it well, Kosovo is still far from independence. EU just want to replace UNMIK by EU mission staff sticking to resolution 1244. Yet, Solana wants joint EU pozition and not any EU division on Kosovo status and as we know vast majority of EU countries do not share same believes as France, UK and Germany. The other states still have some doubts and the only reason to recognize Kosovo would be some form of pressure by the mighty EU countries. Still there are some 7 countries that won't recognise Kosovo even under the preassure. Well, resolution 1244 still circulates and no one has courage to violate it. That is good. Voila!
Albanians should take the Aland offer :)))

"One cannot build peace and stability in the Balkans by pursuing a policy of force, illegal violence and lawlessness," Koštunica said.


OH now i see that serbs understood that violence is bad and law is better how come now they talk about law when they solved all problems that had with violence now they come and talk about law... funny

I bet Kushtunica does not respect the laws that his wife had set up on him.......
(Besim, 30 November 2007 14:44)

Why are speaking about families now besim, now if a poster is speaking of your wife you will be pissed off. respect family members and leave them out of the forums please.

bmrusila,
Yet, Solana wants joint EU pozition and not any EU division on Kosovo status and as we know vast majority of EU countries do not share same believes as France, UK and Germany. The other states still have some doubts and the only reason to recognize Kosovo would be some form of pressure by the mighty EU countries. Still there are some 7 countries that won't recognise Kosovo even under the preassure.
(bmrusila, 30 November 2007 13:46)

Well, one should not take your views seriously because you contradict yourself every time you write, even if you wrote one line only, there are lots of contradictions.

Look at the above comment of yours, in one line you say majority of EU needs to support Independent or to share the view of it then one line below you say it won't happened because still 7 countries do not agree.

So please tell us, how on earth 20 is not majority but 7 is?
Please tell us how in your mind you do such calculation?

The Assembly of Kosova will declare independence after December 10th, you can think about reducing the significance or borders as much as you want after that.

These people dont seem to get it, this whole thing is about BORDERS.

Which only shows that there is more room for a NEGOTIATED solution, after which we can shake hands and NEVER return to the question again.

A:-there is a plan.
S:-which is the plan?
A:-there is no plan.

This is 21st century.Territorial wars are ridiculous.Wars doesn't leed to peace and as Dutch social scientist puts:"One of the causes of wars is war itself".You already had bloody Kosovo history.Don't let it expend again through the centuries.Kosovo has been part of serbia since 9th century,but the problems started after establishing of Ottoman Empire on Balkan and creation on Alabnian country after the WWI.

Princip is 45 your lucky number?
And if the levels of support for Kosova's independence are to be judged based on the participation in elections, what can you tell me of your Constitution which claims Kosova is part of Serbia? Or the presidential and parliamentary elections?
Do you remember how many times you had to repeat them and how many Serbs voted? You might be in for a shock if you look at the figures.

It is funny to see that what the Serbian posters came up with after reading this news. The conclusion of all what the article says is: Independent Kosova is Inevitable. It's as simple as that. Besides, how do you think of not considering us as neighbours and aspiring to get into EU at the same time, when one day you will have to drop down your borders and allow each and one of us Albanians to buy properties UP NORTH, even the Belgrade Squares if we want? I'm afraid Serbia will stay isolated for at least 100 more years. EU doesn't need that kind of liability on its shoulders.

Kosova will be de jure independent very soon, you like it or not.

"Miri, If Serbs had no say in Kosovo affairs then Kosovo would be independent by now."

If Serbia had a say then why is not Kosova/o incorporated into Serbian government and political life, as they propose in their plans?

To those Serbs with the holier than thou attitude. If you are really curious to know who killed for religious reasons in the Balkans let me know. I have a video of Serbian priests blessing children killers. The killers happen to be Serbs. This was during the war in Bosnia. Oh and before you make any judgment, I am Catholic. For us Albanians it has never been about religion. It has always been about equal rights and self determination.

"And who are you? and albanian from albania no doubt.... please stay out of our country.
(mito, 30 November 2007 22:02)"

That's precisely what I am saying an albanian from Albania and I am more welcome to Kosova than you are. My words might bite but, just like you were taught that Kosova is yours, so were we. Thus the compromise K-Albanians are offering, no union with Albania but an independence state belonging to all people of Kosova.
As far as "Why we are not independent yet?", do you really think is the other way around?

Well I was reading the comments on another page in serbian language, and there are a lot,s of serbian people that they dont even care about Kosovo, they care about theyr country Serbia that financially is on low level, they care about their life and jobs, some of them said that Kosovo is not part of Serbija, and you know what, they are serbian people that look from diferent corner, they have positive sense,people that are tired of current goverment wich got stuck in the mood,they are tired of Lazar boys,they feeling shamed in front of world,these people all ready have problems with economy,they still driving 1980s cars(zastava) because they dont have money to by one, what a shame, and for those who think different I have a saying " when you want big piece,you get nothing" so enjoy with what you got, try to build your future for your children,stop woring about something that is not yours.For end I want to thank all serbian that have positive look on Kosovo.

EU Mandate - that's what Kosovo will become. I'm completely fine with that. It's a way for both Belgrade and Pristina to save face while cashing in on the wealth of the European market.

"This, of course, means that there is no way that a EU mission can be set up to replace UNMIK (in Kosovo) in direct contravention of Resolution 1244," Koštunica underlined.

He is 100% right and they know it. We will never allow EU to enter Kosovo without recognizing our sovereignty over it. UN and EU are paralyzed now and that all that matters. CCCC

- THANK YOU PUTIN

All that needs to be said is Resolution 1244. Wasn't that signed & agreed on by Pristina too? If so then whats the problem? As long as Resolution 1244 exists Kosovo independence doesn't!

"In my opinion EU should not accept Serbia as a member just because Balgrade is trying to hold Kosovo hostage.
Serbia is far away from matching the minimum political standards needed to enter EU, along with Belarus and Russia.
(massimo, 30 November 2007 10:19)"

well i think we match the minimum, wouldn't you say now :)
but the point is, the eu is afraid to leave the key balkans player out. they have done some amazing things recently like the saa and nato letting us in partnership for peace, and we all know what the conditions were. if we play cool and easy, we can get almost everything we want, kosovo frozen or whatever included. if was 87, this would not be the case. but its 07, eu is smart and pragmatic, knows what balkans can be like, and wants to make sure everything is friendly and nice. here we will play a smart game and benefit. we're not chasing anything. seven years ago we had nothing, now the country's back on its feet economically first and foremost. we certainly have our beautiful flag flying high on the east river. we can wait, and wait. its not holding anyone hostage, kosovo happens to be our territory, we as any internationally recognized country must defend it and we are doing it peacefully, through diplomacy, and with influential friends.
anytime albanians wants to compromise and make sure that their territory lives well and prospers, i'm sure our government will be there to accept and shake that hand. for instance, the sooner our police can help kosovo police fight terrible crime levels there the better for everyone.

Flamur,

You did not understand my point. NO 7is not majority but 7 countries firmly stick to its decision not to recognise Kosovo. From 20 left countries only France and UK are pushing for independence while the rest of EU countries have doubts and feras of violating the law. However, Solana said that EU wants joint position with no division within EU. But there is no joint position on Kosovo recognisition since those 7 countries trully opose to. So there are only 2-3 (France, UK, and maybe Germany)countries within EU that push for independence and use kind of pressure methods on the other countries that have doubts .There is no unity, there is no independence-That is what Solana said. I do not contradicte myslef, maybe just was not that clear enough but now I hope you will understand it.

Teni, you may be Orthodox but I personaly think your not. You would have blasted the destrution of orthodox sites in Kosovo in your comments. Good try. Niksala, the orthodox do not slap bombs to their children and send them off to kill innosent people. Like the muslim extremists do around the world (Salt lake, Fort Dix, Austra, NY, etc...).

Now you see how much mudd is tossed when the news goes bad for one side. LOL, if they implement plan b every body will be crying like they are now. If you don't want to hear the information that is put out by B92 don't read the forum and you have no worries read reuters, cnn or the hearld tribune. then you will be happy. But we hae so many smart guys here who knows the history of Serbia and Kosovo who live OUTSIDE the country and are resident experts. Enjoy your lives outside Kosovo and Serbia. If you don't have a solution then be quite.

Hi guys ive been out of the loop for a while and Ive read that theres trouble brewing in Bosnia, can anyone enlighten me.

nikshala

"And then the serb camp have the audacity to accuse albanians of being muslim extremist! haha, if anything EU should worry about orthodox extremism in the heart of europe."

Please tell me you are joking!

The civilized world has had its fill of terrorism in the form of 09/11, Beslan, in the form of wars (funny enough, only in Muslim countries today) in Iraq, Afghanistan and Sudan, in the form of dangerous rising extremist countries like Iran, barbaric and draconian laws in Muslim countries towards women and others who do not live and die by the Koran and you are talking about Orthodox extremism? I cannot believe this! Someone comparing a religion that advocates violence and war to a Christian religion!

I am thankful that countries like Albania and Bosnia are moderate when it comes it Islam, but no Turkey or anything like that in the EU!

Miri, If Serbs had no say in Kosovo affairs then Kosovo would be independent by now.

Do you get it now? Tell me why Kosovo is not independent if it's a done deal. Why is this farce going on? Miri, YOU have no say in Kosovo affairs. You are under NATO supervision and IF replaced by that alliance will stay that way for ever.

Now tell me again. Who has no say in Kosovo?

You have no saying, whatsoever in Kosova's affairs.
(miri, 30 November 2007 21:02)

And who are you? and albanian from albania no doubt.... please stay out of our country.

20 million unarmed Russian civilians. And now 100,000 unarmed Serbian civilians in Kosovo.

Pyrros, I wonder which god are you going to thank very soon, the latest early Laki said >> "February. Rest assured I will be here to remind you and your gods/saints whatever they are."

Another Albanian who wants us to mark his words! How tiring and boring this is already. So you have now moved your independence date to February 2008, what happened to December 2007? After February, it will be July 2008! Get over it already… its not happening buddy. If it were meant to be and if international law could be squashed so easily it would have happened back in March or June of this year, we wouldn’t be where we are now in December.

You have no saying, whatsoever in Kosova's affairs.
(miri, 30 November 2007 21:02)

If what you say is true then ask yourself, why are you still not independent?

If EU and the US have had an honest desire to put an end to this mess, this would have been plan "A", not plan "B". But in that case they wouldn't be in position to twist anyone's proverbial arm, would they now? Not to mention they would have ended up with 2 million muslims more in the EU, and do they truly want that? As a reminder, Turkey has applied for membership in EU in the early '80s thus starting the longest accession process in history of EU...

Plan “B” is quite simply partition of Kosovo, the North goes to Serbia the rest to the Albanians. The monasteries and churches are going to have to be moved to the North side at great expense to the EU and the peace keeping force will remain in Kosovo for as long as need. The Americans will get to keep their Camp Bond Steele and quite frankly that is all they are interested in. The reason for plan B is obvious, international law will not be destroyed over the Albanians and partition would happen anyways if the Albanians declared illegal independence, but at least this way the EU can claim it was their idea and save face.

I believe integrating Serbia & Kosovo into the EU will ease the pressure on independence. I'm sure that many Kosovo Albanians will leave Kosovo to look for jobs in the west and the ethnic make up of Kosovo will change as a result. Changing borders is not a viable solution, it sets a precedent, what stops you changing it again? why make Kosovo a 'hot potato'?

KS

I am talking about the 90's upwards, you are talking history (long before any of us were born). With such logic you might as well call the whole Western world a bunch of terrorists (Dutch, French, British colonialists, for example). These are different times, times of peace, it only seems these Muslims are living a life for war.

"20 million "mighty" russians "

This is the second time I think you have mocked the power of Russia. As an Albanian, I find it funny that you are mocking a country with over 7 000 nukes in its stockpile and one of the world's most powerful armies. No one is saying they are as powerful as the States, but you can be rest assured that both are significantly more powerful than Albania.