Putin: Force does not solve problems

Mr., what's your name, have you ever counted the number of russian prostitutes in Europe?
(miri, 28 November 2007 17:29)
No, but I'm sure you have miri, since Kosovo is the human trafficking capital of Europe. That and drug trafficking are the only industries which function there.

that´s it, the US have the benefit, the Albanians will lose.

and Serbia´s sovereignty is still untouched. UNSC 1244 is a fact.

Miri,

I have in fact been to Kosovo as a child, and plan to go back. I can go back any time I want to Mitrovica. South of the Ibar there is no freedom of movement for non-albanians as you know, it is not a free and tolerant society like the rest of Serbia. Minorities have to live behind barbed wire, I hope you are proud of yourselves for that.
As for your comment that I have 'no right to decide on the fate of Kosova people', you are right.
'Kosova' are Gusii people who inhabit the Kisii district of western Kenya.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisii_people
Their fate is their own business, and I wish them well.

Once more Russia is being loud and clear - do the US really want to go down the incredible scenario where thwy totallu undermine international rue and law as we know it by setting such an abrupt precedent against the UN?

In which case "analyse" the consequences that are inevitable and predictable and then prepare for the unpredicatble because the US clearly have failed to analyse their follys in the past - Iraq springs to mind - we were spun a lie the about WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) but that sounds familiar to the earlier Illegal action against a Soverign State when NATO bombarded Serbia & Montenegro the lie then was we must stop the genocide that had already happened - the lie then was WMG (whereabouts of Mass Graves)

"The death toll in Kosovo was in the hundreds before the start of the bombing campaign. It was around 5,000 by the end. Not quite the "genocide" that some people claimed, incidentally, but not a good precedent either......Tony Blair says that we "reversed ethnic cleansing" there, but I would not count the expulsion of over 100,000 Serbs and Roma from a province guarded by 40,000 Nato troops as a success."
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/take_two/2007/04/oliver_kamm_v_conor_foley.html

Around 5,000 for all and by all including the many hundred civilans killed by NATO air bombardment such as Chinese diplomats and RTS staff!

Notice that Russian withdrawal from CFE runs up on the 11th December!

"Putin: Force does not solve problems"

This coming from a guy who just over the weekend beat up and jailed opposition leader Kasparov.
Mr. Putin(or should I say Mr. MiniStalin) you cannot lecture anyone on how to be peaceful while you are the first one that uses force and violence in your own house.

"Mr., what's your name, have you ever counted the number of russian prostitutes in Europe?"
(miri, 28 November 2007 17:29)

miri, having written THAT shows how you were raised.

that´s so tasteless.

"He said Kosovo has an unemployment rate of 60 percent, and described it as a hotbed of international terrorism, gangster crime, arms trade, and trafficking of drugs and prostitutes to European Union states"

Mr., what's your name, have you ever counted the number of russian prostitutes in Europe?

Finally even the Russians are showing signs of desperation. Putin knows full well that he cannot do anything to stop Kosova's independence and in fact relying on Russia was Serbia's biggest and dumbest idea. It would have fared much much better on its own. Now with Uncle Putin becoming more and more authoritarian and anti-Western by the day, Russia's support for Serbia actually turned into a blessing for Kosova.

«Putin: Force does not solve problems.»

Why did he send troops tp Chechenya to wage a war on Chechens who want their independence, just as the Albanians from Kosovo?

Princip, stop your desinformayion please.

Mr Blair, Mr Chirac, and all Europeans leaders were right to be afraid of the outcome of the war in Kosovo, and the casualties, if NATO did not intervene. For an example, I always use what happened in Cuska,Zahac, and two neighboring villages . More than 100 men killed on that day, and the Dobraj family in Zahac lost their husbands and fathers in the May 14th Serb militia attack.

Putin should think before he talks and acts as a the worst kind of hypocrite. Yelsen gave Chechnya its freedom with drew all of Moscow troops. Putin rose to power on the greater Russia military retric. Even set up bombing of Russian flats by his friends in the FSB where he was an officer also formerly known as the KGB. When the flats were bombed there was a large loss of life Putin made sure to say the Chechen's did it blame them. On that pretense Putin sent the military to flatten Chechen towns and commit hole sale murder. But how was caught but Putin's FSB agents were caught red handed planting bombs in a basement of a flat they were caught by the civil police. Putin has lost all moral ground is only steering up trouble elsewhere to deflect criticism of his amoral draconian policies!

wrong KS, ...UNSC 1244 is doing it. or if you want, the Kumanovo (military technical ) agreement.

you can try to deny...but ..it´s senseless. you can´t change the truth.

Putin is a thug who has used intimidation and violence to benefit himself throughout his political career. Say what you want about George W. Bush, but he has never ordered government forces to attack protestors (which he deals with constantly) or jailed opposition leaders (Kasparov). Its funny how excited Serbs get over Russia's support when they also support brutal regimes like Sudan and Iran.

"Mr., what's your name, have you ever counted the number of russian prostitutes in Europe?
(miri, 28 November 2007 17:29)
No, but I'm sure you have miri, since Kosovo is the human trafficking capital of Europe. That and drug trafficking are the only industries which function there."

Oh really, have you ever been to Kosova Dragan? I bet you never have and thus you know nothing about that place, and you have no rights to decide on the fate of Kosova people.

The Albanians response on here when they hear truth is common and it goes like this
RUSSIA/SERBIA-Kosovo is a hotbed of international terrorism-Taking Kosovo will cause problems for the region.
ALBANIANS/NATO-Well Srbija did this and Russia did that.
Why not talk about the issue at hand instead of deflecting
it back.Yes Srbija and Russia are not perfect but the issue is Kosovo-Metohija cannot be taken from Srbija it is Srbija and has always been.If Kosovo was Albanian land and Serbs were trying to
ethnically cleanse the people out and destroy churches I would oppose it with the same passion.No matter what it is NEVER going to be morally,ethically or legally justified to take it away from Srbija.NATO does not follow any law but might makes right.

# that´s it, the US have the benefit, the Albanians will lose.

and Serbia´s sovereignty is still untouched. UNSC 1244 is a fact.
(Jovan, 28 November 2007 17:10)


1999 NATO bombings are a proof of this "sovereignty."

Lenard

You have any proof for those accusations? It sounds highly unlikely. I suppose next you will say that Russian special services staged Beslan as well?

What actually happened is this: Chechnya declared independence in 1991, Yelsin sent in troops to pacify the region, failed to do so and withdrew, Putin took power, the Ichkeria regime furious that the new Putin government didn't recognize their sovereignty staged terrorist attacks and supported the Dagestan uprising, Putin responded by crushing the Dagestan rebellion, toppling the Ichkeria regime in Chechnya, killing prominent Ichkeria leaders, planting a pro-Moscow regime, now Chechnya is more or less at peace, save for sporadic attacks.

His forces did terrible things in the process by levelling whole cities and villages, yes, but to say that he staged the bombings in Moscow is just nonsense.

We Poles hear the same nonsense form German nationalists, that they attacked Poland to protect their "mistreated" German minority and because we attacked some radio station ove the German border. Same lies, different times.

Peter: Here is the link but you can find that news story in a dozen of places if you have a good search engine. http://eng.terror99.ru/explosions/

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/dec2006/moscow_bombs.html

USA will benefit, albanians will benefit etc etc, but serbia will loose, russia will loose. So, precedents like kosovo will happen to countries like serbia, russia, who inequalites are high, they are poor, and disunified

«Minorities have to live behind barbed wire, I hope you are proud of yourselves for that. »

Minorities don't have to live behind barbed wires! How many Albanians left Kosovo during Milosevic's era? The could not live in a country where they had lost all their rights.

To johny

Kasparov got 5 days in jail for trying to disrupt the street traffic in Moscow (for marching, not for protesting), and it did not look that he was beaten up. This new status of a political prisoner should really help his fundraising efforts in the US -- he might even afford the second apartment in Manhattan. He must be really brilliant because he is managing to raise funds for political activity in Russia, being an ethnic Azarbaijani.

"He said Kosovo has an unemployment rate of 60 percent, and described it as a hotbed of international terrorism, gangster crime, arms trade, and trafficking of drugs and prostitutes to European Union states"

Mr., what's your name, have you ever counted the number of russian prostitutes in Europe?

Finally even the Russians are showing signs of desperation. Putin knows full well that he cannot do anything to stop Kosova's independence and in fact relying on Russia was Serbia's biggest and dumbest idea. It would have fared much much better on its own. Now with Uncle Putin becoming more and more authoritarian and anti-Western by the day, Russia's support for Serbia actually turned into a blessing for Kosova.

Putin is a thug who has used intimidation and violence to benefit himself throughout his political career. Say what you want about George W. Bush, but he has never ordered government forces to attack protestors (which he deals with constantly) or jailed opposition leaders (Kasparov). Its funny how excited Serbs get over Russia's support when they also support brutal regimes like Sudan and Iran.

"Putin: Force does not solve problems"

This coming from a guy who just over the weekend beat up and jailed opposition leader Kasparov.
Mr. Putin(or should I say Mr. MiniStalin) you cannot lecture anyone on how to be peaceful while you are the first one that uses force and violence in your own house.

Putin should think before he talks and acts as a the worst kind of hypocrite. Yelsen gave Chechnya its freedom with drew all of Moscow troops. Putin rose to power on the greater Russia military retric. Even set up bombing of Russian flats by his friends in the FSB where he was an officer also formerly known as the KGB. When the flats were bombed there was a large loss of life Putin made sure to say the Chechen's did it blame them. On that pretense Putin sent the military to flatten Chechen towns and commit hole sale murder. But how was caught but Putin's FSB agents were caught red handed planting bombs in a basement of a flat they were caught by the civil police. Putin has lost all moral ground is only steering up trouble elsewhere to deflect criticism of his amoral draconian policies!

"Mr., what's your name, have you ever counted the number of russian prostitutes in Europe?
(miri, 28 November 2007 17:29)
No, but I'm sure you have miri, since Kosovo is the human trafficking capital of Europe. That and drug trafficking are the only industries which function there."

Oh really, have you ever been to Kosova Dragan? I bet you never have and thus you know nothing about that place, and you have no rights to decide on the fate of Kosova people.

# that´s it, the US have the benefit, the Albanians will lose.

and Serbia´s sovereignty is still untouched. UNSC 1244 is a fact.
(Jovan, 28 November 2007 17:10)


1999 NATO bombings are a proof of this "sovereignty."

Mr., what's your name, have you ever counted the number of russian prostitutes in Europe?
(miri, 28 November 2007 17:29)
No, but I'm sure you have miri, since Kosovo is the human trafficking capital of Europe. That and drug trafficking are the only industries which function there.

«Putin: Force does not solve problems.»

Why did he send troops tp Chechenya to wage a war on Chechens who want their independence, just as the Albanians from Kosovo?

Princip, stop your desinformayion please.

Mr Blair, Mr Chirac, and all Europeans leaders were right to be afraid of the outcome of the war in Kosovo, and the casualties, if NATO did not intervene. For an example, I always use what happened in Cuska,Zahac, and two neighboring villages . More than 100 men killed on that day, and the Dobraj family in Zahac lost their husbands and fathers in the May 14th Serb militia attack.

USA will benefit, albanians will benefit etc etc, but serbia will loose, russia will loose. So, precedents like kosovo will happen to countries like serbia, russia, who inequalites are high, they are poor, and disunified

"Mr., what's your name, have you ever counted the number of russian prostitutes in Europe?"
(miri, 28 November 2007 17:29)

miri, having written THAT shows how you were raised.

that´s so tasteless.

Miri,

I have in fact been to Kosovo as a child, and plan to go back. I can go back any time I want to Mitrovica. South of the Ibar there is no freedom of movement for non-albanians as you know, it is not a free and tolerant society like the rest of Serbia. Minorities have to live behind barbed wire, I hope you are proud of yourselves for that.
As for your comment that I have 'no right to decide on the fate of Kosova people', you are right.
'Kosova' are Gusii people who inhabit the Kisii district of western Kenya.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisii_people
Their fate is their own business, and I wish them well.

«Minorities have to live behind barbed wire, I hope you are proud of yourselves for that. »

Minorities don't have to live behind barbed wires! How many Albanians left Kosovo during Milosevic's era? The could not live in a country where they had lost all their rights.

that´s it, the US have the benefit, the Albanians will lose.

and Serbia´s sovereignty is still untouched. UNSC 1244 is a fact.

Once more Russia is being loud and clear - do the US really want to go down the incredible scenario where thwy totallu undermine international rue and law as we know it by setting such an abrupt precedent against the UN?

In which case "analyse" the consequences that are inevitable and predictable and then prepare for the unpredicatble because the US clearly have failed to analyse their follys in the past - Iraq springs to mind - we were spun a lie the about WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) but that sounds familiar to the earlier Illegal action against a Soverign State when NATO bombarded Serbia & Montenegro the lie then was we must stop the genocide that had already happened - the lie then was WMG (whereabouts of Mass Graves)

"The death toll in Kosovo was in the hundreds before the start of the bombing campaign. It was around 5,000 by the end. Not quite the "genocide" that some people claimed, incidentally, but not a good precedent either......Tony Blair says that we "reversed ethnic cleansing" there, but I would not count the expulsion of over 100,000 Serbs and Roma from a province guarded by 40,000 Nato troops as a success."
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/take_two/2007/04/oliver_kamm_v_conor_foley.html

Around 5,000 for all and by all including the many hundred civilans killed by NATO air bombardment such as Chinese diplomats and RTS staff!

Notice that Russian withdrawal from CFE runs up on the 11th December!

wrong KS, ...UNSC 1244 is doing it. or if you want, the Kumanovo (military technical ) agreement.

you can try to deny...but ..it´s senseless. you can´t change the truth.

The Albanians response on here when they hear truth is common and it goes like this
RUSSIA/SERBIA-Kosovo is a hotbed of international terrorism-Taking Kosovo will cause problems for the region.
ALBANIANS/NATO-Well Srbija did this and Russia did that.
Why not talk about the issue at hand instead of deflecting
it back.Yes Srbija and Russia are not perfect but the issue is Kosovo-Metohija cannot be taken from Srbija it is Srbija and has always been.If Kosovo was Albanian land and Serbs were trying to
ethnically cleanse the people out and destroy churches I would oppose it with the same passion.No matter what it is NEVER going to be morally,ethically or legally justified to take it away from Srbija.NATO does not follow any law but might makes right.

Lenard

You have any proof for those accusations? It sounds highly unlikely. I suppose next you will say that Russian special services staged Beslan as well?

What actually happened is this: Chechnya declared independence in 1991, Yelsin sent in troops to pacify the region, failed to do so and withdrew, Putin took power, the Ichkeria regime furious that the new Putin government didn't recognize their sovereignty staged terrorist attacks and supported the Dagestan uprising, Putin responded by crushing the Dagestan rebellion, toppling the Ichkeria regime in Chechnya, killing prominent Ichkeria leaders, planting a pro-Moscow regime, now Chechnya is more or less at peace, save for sporadic attacks.

His forces did terrible things in the process by levelling whole cities and villages, yes, but to say that he staged the bombings in Moscow is just nonsense.

We Poles hear the same nonsense form German nationalists, that they attacked Poland to protect their "mistreated" German minority and because we attacked some radio station ove the German border. Same lies, different times.

Peter: Here is the link but you can find that news story in a dozen of places if you have a good search engine. http://eng.terror99.ru/explosions/

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/dec2006/moscow_bombs.html

To johny

Kasparov got 5 days in jail for trying to disrupt the street traffic in Moscow (for marching, not for protesting), and it did not look that he was beaten up. This new status of a political prisoner should really help his fundraising efforts in the US -- he might even afford the second apartment in Manhattan. He must be really brilliant because he is managing to raise funds for political activity in Russia, being an ethnic Azarbaijani.