Belgrade “testing nerves of West”

The ICG is an albanian lobby group so this kind of anti-Serb propoganda is nothing new from them. Their goal is to turn the victim into the oppressor, the ethnic cleansers into the cleansed, the tolarant to the intolerant (and vice versa), and to blame the Serbs for trying to defend their borders and their ancestral homeland, Kosovo.
No matter how much Mr. Lyon flaps his gums, he can not change the fact that any redrawing of borders has to be done through the UN, period.

How unreasonable of them to not want to hand over their land to the international community to award as they see fit.

Perhaps a new wing of the ICTY should be established where leaders who refuse to conform should be tried by a gaggle of blokes in purple robes. I'm sure they could get hold of a few lions to make the event even more appealing to the media.

Its this kind of short sighted and flawed analysis that suggested Serbia would crack after a couple of days of bombing or equally creates quagmires in Iraq!

It is interesting that he mentions this would be a problem but why he would not detail. Could it be that the US, UK and France who formulated, agreed and signed UN SC Resolution 1244 are obligated to upholding this UN resolution which states;

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States
of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,

Reaffirming the call in previous resolutions for substantial autonomy and
meaningful self-administration for Kosovo,"
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement

Thus the US, UK and France as permanent members (i.e.the Guardians of the UN and its resolutions) there is no way that they can recognise an illegal unilateral declaration in any way what so ever given their obligation bound by the contract they signed and agreed to uphold on the 10th June 1999 - post conflict.

There is no novel way around the UN - such an act is not a mere bypassing of the UN but a flagrant breach of the UN resolution that they signed upto - in which case this would be a fatal attack on the UN - the US (and the ICG) clearly have always been 'apprehensive' of the UN but do the UK an France really want to fatally undermine the UN and the authority of all UN resolutions ?

Now that will be a unique "problem" faced by the world as a whole but it will also be a precedent for destabilising the world. The message could not be any clearer nor blatant the US, UK and France state that UNSC resolutions have no credibility when we say so and it is politcally expedient for us to break the contracts and dissavowel ourselves of our obligations when we want to. In which case all other UN resolutions and international norms and laws such as the Sovereignity and territorial integrity of all UN recognised members no longer carry any protection what so ever - why should any nation uphold them when 3 of the permanent members no longer uphold them?

Thus we will enter a very dark era where military might overides all international laws since they have been thrown out and thus President Tadic will have no option when the diplomatic jaw-jaw runs its course and the US, UK and France have such low regard for international law to rip up the contract they formulated and signed in order to establish peace that they now wish to continue war - that is a very ominous and dark period ahead.

Mr Lyon, you are just another delusional Whitehall mandarin. Yes how dare Belgrade point out to the West of the folly of overriding international law. How dare Belgrade stand up for the rights of the sovereign state, yes how dare Belgrade try all legal means possible to uphold its territorial sovereignty. How dare Belgrade stand up and tell the West, "no we will not allow you to dismember our state". How dare Belgrade not roll over when we tell them to.

Here's some more that he comes out with.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=5167&l=1

Mr. Lyon says, “It is obvious that Russia is trying to force the European Union and U.S. to solve the Kosovo question through the United Nations Security Council”.

Just tell the truth James...The west would certainly abide by international law and stay within the UNSC to solve the Kosovo issue if they knew they could get their desired outcome.

James also says…”It is now testing the nerves of the West in order to provoke a negative reaction from the Kosovo Albanians”
As I read this the west is frustrated because they can’t get their way so lets save face and blame Russia and Serbia for our ineptness.
If the Kosovo Albanians don’t get what they want, they will probably resort to violence so let’s blame Russia and Serbia for this too.

James, most human beings are far too intelligent to fall for these lame excuses.

If Mr. Lyon’s comments weren’t so hypocritical, I think they would actually be funny.

Nikshala,

RTS? Are you referring to the RTS that your brave NATO criminals bombed from 15,000 feet and killed Serbian make-up women and janitors? That RTS?
I haven't watched it for years in fact. Everything I write on here is the truth, and I challenge you or any other of your albanian compatriots to disprove me. I see lies, exaggerations, and anti-Serb propoganda written on here every day by team 'greater albania'. Their arguments have more holes in them than Swiss cheese. I would love to have a battle of wits with them, but that would leave them unarmed.

bmrusila,
US always plays with fire. Do you know why?
I guess it knows how to handle it.
Lazer,

Yeah Lazer, I have seen it how good they handdle it in Afganistan and Iraq. Excellent handling :))))).

It is rather appalling to see (and hear) how these lobbyist for Kosovo’s independence interpret Serbia’s insistence on survival as an act of “…creating problems in neighboring countries…”. One must wonder is this International Crisis Group actually a group for invoking the International crisis.
Serbia is not testing anybody’s nerves.
Serbia is trying to preserve it’s survival. If this is too much to ask for – it should be stated as such.
West caused this grotesque situation of splintering Serbian nation into pieces, propped up any government that would help them in that endeavor and than complains that it is Serbia who is the problem. Problem how? By daring to complain while being butchered?
In this game you have Serbia on one side, who just want to preserve its existence and on the other side you have political elites and interest who consider this issues as yet another experiment.
The urge to survive in its very nature is usually very strong – so my bets are on Serbia.
Any takers?

Mr Lyon, there is some international law that should be respected. If that law is about to be breached then every ethnic group or minority in this planet has the same right to do. It is hypocritical to label Serbia of playing games or blame Serbia for future outcomes when the entire world is aware that Kosovo recognisition is going to induce chain reaction. USA and EU are playing with the fire and you know that,right.

So James Lyon thinks that Belgrade is playing with fire.

Belgrade is only trying to put out the fire that US has already lit and now pouring more accelerant on. The ones playing with it are the Albanian team and their merry men.

I have always also said that Belgrade and Serbs are playing with fire concerning Bosnia. The Serbs have brought us to these developing crises points and are trying to go beyond any sensible or rational reasoning. The world and its neighbors are not going to stand for any more of the bullying tactics. With all the wars they have started and injustice they have caused and inflicted on millions of helpless civilian victims. If they don't change change their course of action and continue being willfully stubborn they will have only them selfs to blame for the outcomes. None of the out comes look good for any one. Only more suffering and turmoil for every one concerned that has already happened these two decades. That looks to continue well in to the foreseeable future.

I guess we're moving forward.
Today the talks failed. The Serbs and Albanians failed to reach a compromise.
That means, the next step is Dec. 10th and Ban Ki Moon voicing his opinion.
I do not see anything else but Kosova/o UDI.
This charrade that Miloshevic created, and Koshtunica is so proud of has to come to an end.
I hope there will be no violence since it does not serve a good purpose at all, to Serbs or Albanians.

International Crisis Group...Who pays the Piper?

If you donate at least U.S.$25,000 to the ICG, you can be offered a position on their International Advisory Board.
Money talks.

http://www.spinwatch.org/content/view/1043/9/

It is pointless to argue with, or try to put forth arguments to Serbian camp. You guys never listen. Anyways,we are ready for consequences, no matter what they are. No more Serbian rule over Kosovo.
My intent is not to insult or belittle anybody. It is my personal perception about some of the posts I have read in your site.

HA HA HA!!! The ICG is such a fraud...a group of amateurs whose analyses are never accurate. I wonder why B92 even gives them any space? I don't see them quoted in BBC, on CNN, Fox, Der Spiegel, etc.

OH WAIT! It's the Soros connection! Let's dance with the devil! Soros (maybe Sorbos) will save the Serbs! HA HA HA!!!

that´s no analysis.

but one thing I would agree on: the boomerang effect, but... it would be bad for the Albanians.

of course Lyon doesn´t write that, and Albanians do not believe it. but...let´s see what future brings!

If albanians were leaving coz of NATO bombs, how come serbs were not leaving Serbia, considering Serbia was getting bombed as well? Ok if more bombs were falling in Kosovo than Serbia, how come K.Serbs were not leaving Kosovo as well during NATO bombing?

I eagerly await your 'logical' explanation for this?
(nikshala, 28 November 2007 18:43)

That's an easy answer Nikshala. Serbs did not leave because Kosovo, Serbia, are their homes. When someone attacks your home, you don't run, you defend it. Kosovo belongs to Serbia. This is the same reason that albanians were cheering for the dropping of cluster bombs, depleted uranium, and the wholesale destruction of Kosovo - because it does not belong to them. Nobody cheers for the destruction of something that belongs to them.
Besides, you know very well that the KLA gave orders for civilians to leave en masse, so they could show columns of people to CNN. Were there any columns of refugees leaving before the NATO bombing? No.
In fact, for years and years albanians were leaving albania proper and crossing the border illegally to live in Kosovo for a better life! Why would albanians do that if the Serbs such butchers, tell me will you?

"“It is obvious that Russia is trying to force the European Union and U.S. to solve the Kosovo question through the United Nations Security Council. It now looks as if the U.S. and EU have decided to solve the question outside of the UN Security Council. That is the problem and we will see what the outcome will be,” Lyon told the Voice of America. "

Does anybody else here feel that this is more of a political game between East and West rather than a genuine and sincere effort to preserve the stability in the region and attend to the peoples' interests?

Dragan

After reading many of you posts i can come to the following conclusion: you are either trying to spread propaganda and you don't actually believe what you write, or you are seriously, and i mean very seriously, misinfromed, and utterly wrong.

If its the latter, then please stop watching RTS!

bmrusila,
US always plays with fire. Do you know why?
I guess it knows how to handle it.

International law is being taken into consideration, otherwise there would not have negotiated all this time.
Where was everybody to cry out loud about International law when Serbia waged 4 wars.

The old say, NEVER CRY WOLF.
Lets see what happens with in next 3-4 weeks. I dont like to make predictions. I'll just let it take place.
I also dont want to say:"I told you so!!!"

I have a GREAT idea - why don't we ask international court of justice for LEGAL oppinion regarding Kosovo issue. Then when we get a LEGAL oppinion - we negotiate based on its stand. What do you think?

You are forgetting something. This Resolution doesn't not apply anymore since the Federal Republic of Yugosllavia doesn't exist anymore, therefore Serbia has no claim whatsoever over Dardania(Kosova).
(Vini,

Why Albanians always use this as an excuse and as the obstacle of UNSC resolution 1244 implementation.

You should finally learn that Serbia is leagl successor of SR Yugoslavia and this is not an obstacle since it is clearly meantioned and documented that Kosovo is Serbian province within SR Yugoslavia.

bmrusila,

most Albanians in Kosovo are very young. and most of them don´t know very much about the issue, exept what they have read in their yellow-press..

so you can´t really blame them for not knowing it.
it´s simply their weakness. they are desperate, and they desperately try to grab every straw...even if it is an so ridiculous pseude-argument like "Yugoslavia doest exist anymore..." what simply doesn´t matter at all.

If this does not prove to Serbs whom runs B92 and in what line they tow then nothing will.This is utterly
Albanian propaganda whose only goal is to soften up Serbian views.The insane Orwellian claim that Srbija the one who has cuased this issue.Why would Srbija create a crisis that takes away here territory.Up is down black is white good is evil and NATO is a problem solver.The Serbian people know what is going on and whom the enemy s.

I'm growing tired of this international game of chicken. The West blames everything on Serbia, the Serbs blame everything on the West, the Albanians put unwavering hope in US foreign policy, the Serbs do the same for the Russians, The West continues to dismiss Russia as a paper tiger, and everybody believes both law, history, and moral ethics are on their side. It's absolutely amazing how everyone has opinions, but no one can come up with a long lasting solution.

oK, Dragan

some days ago you suggested that albanians fled Kosovo in 1999 because of NATO bombs!

I only have one question for you:

If albanians were leaving coz of NATO bombs, how come serbs were not leaving Serbia, considering Serbia was getting bombed as well? Ok if more bombs were falling in Kosovo than Serbia, how come K.Serbs were not leaving Kosovo as well during NATO bombing?

I eagerly await your 'logical' explanation for this?

I know for a fact why we albanians left, since I was there and I know exactly why hundreds of people from my noehgbourhood left.

"know for a fact why we albanians left, since I was there and I know exactly why hundreds of people from my noehgbourhood left.
(nikshala, 28 November 2007 18:43)"

well, nikshala... there are albanian reports that uck-criminals forced them to leave their houses, even if they wanted to stay.
that´s something that you can deny, but even western sources have reported it.
you lose.

oh, and.. could perhaps anybody here explain to this "Vini" what legal succession means?

and furthermore Vini should get in touch with reality, since Albanians have no connections whatsoever with the Illyrians.
fullstop.

@ Princip:
"Could it be that the US, UK and France who formulated, agreed and signed UN SC Resolution 1244 are obligated to upholding this UN resolution which states;

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States
of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2"

You are forgetting something. This Resolution doesn't not apply anymore since the Federal Republic of Yugosllavia doesn't exist anymore, therefore Serbia has no claim whatsoever over Dardania(Kosova).

To BH-NYC:

You can get divorced no probelm, but we are keeping our land.

Kosova is not an object that can be passed down form father to son or sold in ebay. It has its own people and before you lay a claim on it you must take the permission of the people that live there. My point still stands you don't have no right whatsoever to claim Kosova.
As far as Albanian being Illyrians, only Serbian and maybe some Greek historians disagree with it, but there are two things that are proven 100%.
Firs:
You Serbs came to the Balkans in the 600-700Ad and those lands that you are living right now belong to somebody else which is not of Slavic stock.
Second:
At this moment the Albanians live now in Kosova and the land that they live in belong to them.

"If albanians were leaving coz of NATO bombs, how come serbs were not leaving Serbia, considering Serbia was getting bombed as well? Ok if more bombs were falling in Kosovo than Serbia, how come K.Serbs were not leaving Kosovo as well during NATO bombing?" - Nikshalla.

Actuall Nikshalla, there were many K-Albanians leaving Kosovo for Serbia proper during the bombing. If I remember at the time tens of thousands of K-Albanians fled Kosovo for Serbia proper to escape the anarchy, carnage and atrocities that the bombings and paramilitaries from both sides brought. Some 100,000 K-Albanian refugees fled to Montenegro (then part of FRY) where they were looked after in centres and field hospitals set up by the JNA and Police.

You also have to remember that KLA expelled pro-Yugoslav ethnic Albanians as well.

"International Crisis Group...Who pays the Piper?

If you donate at least U.S.$25,000 to the ICG, you can be offered a position on their International Advisory Board.
Money talks. "

According to Roger7 Serbia is loosing Kosova because it was being too frugal to pay.
Someone else said that ICB is an Albanian lobby group, well I am very flattered by this compliment, I only wished it to be true.

"Thus we will enter a very dark era where military might overides all international laws since they have been thrown out "

This is the way things have been throughout history!! There was a time when Serbia had military might over Kosovo and the only law that was enforced was dictated by Serbs. Those days are done. Now with the help of a few friends, the military advantage lies with Kosovo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCYIQLqxbnc

To clean cut and alban...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie1xyrW8xmY&feature=related

No Jovan, no, I don't 'lose'! i wasn't expelled by KLA or NATO bombs, my grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins, friends, were no expelled by KLA or NATO bombs, - each and everyone of us was expelled with force and guns pointed at us by serb paramilitary units, comprised of serbian police units and serbian local civilians.

Now i am sure that you three will call me a liar, or will tell me that they were actuallly KLA soliders but i was stupid enough to confuse the uniform and language, or even that it was all a dream - and thats fine, because I understand that you need to believe that in order to justify you prejudiced opinions and views of K. Albanians.

Dragan's comments was the best - 'Serbs didn't run because its their home, and nobody runs from their home!' - I guess the 1 million albanians the left, were just tourists in Kosovo, who got caught up in the fighting!

The number of ablanians that crossed from Albania into Kosovo after WW2, is minimal and insignifacnt. That is just part of serbia propaganda.

I have not met a single albanian man in Kosovo over 60 - 65 years old who was born in Albania and moved to Kosovo after WW2!!! The graves of my great great parents and their parents are in Kosovo!

Wake up!

http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/James-Blunt/No-Bravery.html

To nikshala,
Your comments are way too 'complicating' for some people to understand.
How could you possibly have an inteligent argument with people who believe that we have butchered each other so we could blame the Serbs. Did you see 800,000 people living in tents 'cheering' and 'celebrating'?!
These kind of insults should not be allowed in a civilised world. I guess we wont be missing these people once we get the long awaited divorce.

It seems that Mr. Lyon got the inspiration for his fable in one written by Aesop and retold by Jean de Lafontaine in 17th century. The fable of the lamb muddying the water to the wolf.

Such war mongering writing is morally corrupt, as is U.S. position on Kosovo. Since United States State Department is into fables and pays for them, Mr. Burns should read the originals, not Lyon's plagiarisms, e.g. "The Lion and a Mouse" fable.

http://www.aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?3&TheLionandtheMouse2

bmrusila,
US always plays with fire. Do you know why?
I guess it knows how to handle it.

International law is being taken into consideration, otherwise there would not have negotiated all this time.
Where was everybody to cry out loud about International law when Serbia waged 4 wars.

The old say, NEVER CRY WOLF.
Lets see what happens with in next 3-4 weeks. I dont like to make predictions. I'll just let it take place.
I also dont want to say:"I told you so!!!"

Dragan

After reading many of you posts i can come to the following conclusion: you are either trying to spread propaganda and you don't actually believe what you write, or you are seriously, and i mean very seriously, misinfromed, and utterly wrong.

If its the latter, then please stop watching RTS!

I have always also said that Belgrade and Serbs are playing with fire concerning Bosnia. The Serbs have brought us to these developing crises points and are trying to go beyond any sensible or rational reasoning. The world and its neighbors are not going to stand for any more of the bullying tactics. With all the wars they have started and injustice they have caused and inflicted on millions of helpless civilian victims. If they don't change change their course of action and continue being willfully stubborn they will have only them selfs to blame for the outcomes. None of the out comes look good for any one. Only more suffering and turmoil for every one concerned that has already happened these two decades. That looks to continue well in to the foreseeable future.

I guess we're moving forward.
Today the talks failed. The Serbs and Albanians failed to reach a compromise.
That means, the next step is Dec. 10th and Ban Ki Moon voicing his opinion.
I do not see anything else but Kosova/o UDI.
This charrade that Miloshevic created, and Koshtunica is so proud of has to come to an end.
I hope there will be no violence since it does not serve a good purpose at all, to Serbs or Albanians.

It is pointless to argue with, or try to put forth arguments to Serbian camp. You guys never listen. Anyways,we are ready for consequences, no matter what they are. No more Serbian rule over Kosovo.
My intent is not to insult or belittle anybody. It is my personal perception about some of the posts I have read in your site.

How unreasonable of them to not want to hand over their land to the international community to award as they see fit.

Perhaps a new wing of the ICTY should be established where leaders who refuse to conform should be tried by a gaggle of blokes in purple robes. I'm sure they could get hold of a few lions to make the event even more appealing to the media.

"Thus we will enter a very dark era where military might overides all international laws since they have been thrown out "

This is the way things have been throughout history!! There was a time when Serbia had military might over Kosovo and the only law that was enforced was dictated by Serbs. Those days are done. Now with the help of a few friends, the military advantage lies with Kosovo.

@ Princip:
"Could it be that the US, UK and France who formulated, agreed and signed UN SC Resolution 1244 are obligated to upholding this UN resolution which states;

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States
of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2"

You are forgetting something. This Resolution doesn't not apply anymore since the Federal Republic of Yugosllavia doesn't exist anymore, therefore Serbia has no claim whatsoever over Dardania(Kosova).

oK, Dragan

some days ago you suggested that albanians fled Kosovo in 1999 because of NATO bombs!

I only have one question for you:

If albanians were leaving coz of NATO bombs, how come serbs were not leaving Serbia, considering Serbia was getting bombed as well? Ok if more bombs were falling in Kosovo than Serbia, how come K.Serbs were not leaving Kosovo as well during NATO bombing?

I eagerly await your 'logical' explanation for this?

I know for a fact why we albanians left, since I was there and I know exactly why hundreds of people from my noehgbourhood left.

"International Crisis Group...Who pays the Piper?

If you donate at least U.S.$25,000 to the ICG, you can be offered a position on their International Advisory Board.
Money talks. "

According to Roger7 Serbia is loosing Kosova because it was being too frugal to pay.
Someone else said that ICB is an Albanian lobby group, well I am very flattered by this compliment, I only wished it to be true.

Kosova is not an object that can be passed down form father to son or sold in ebay. It has its own people and before you lay a claim on it you must take the permission of the people that live there. My point still stands you don't have no right whatsoever to claim Kosova.
As far as Albanian being Illyrians, only Serbian and maybe some Greek historians disagree with it, but there are two things that are proven 100%.
Firs:
You Serbs came to the Balkans in the 600-700Ad and those lands that you are living right now belong to somebody else which is not of Slavic stock.
Second:
At this moment the Albanians live now in Kosova and the land that they live in belong to them.

Its this kind of short sighted and flawed analysis that suggested Serbia would crack after a couple of days of bombing or equally creates quagmires in Iraq!

It is interesting that he mentions this would be a problem but why he would not detail. Could it be that the US, UK and France who formulated, agreed and signed UN SC Resolution 1244 are obligated to upholding this UN resolution which states;

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States
of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,

Reaffirming the call in previous resolutions for substantial autonomy and
meaningful self-administration for Kosovo,"
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement

Thus the US, UK and France as permanent members (i.e.the Guardians of the UN and its resolutions) there is no way that they can recognise an illegal unilateral declaration in any way what so ever given their obligation bound by the contract they signed and agreed to uphold on the 10th June 1999 - post conflict.

There is no novel way around the UN - such an act is not a mere bypassing of the UN but a flagrant breach of the UN resolution that they signed upto - in which case this would be a fatal attack on the UN - the US (and the ICG) clearly have always been 'apprehensive' of the UN but do the UK an France really want to fatally undermine the UN and the authority of all UN resolutions ?

Now that will be a unique "problem" faced by the world as a whole but it will also be a precedent for destabilising the world. The message could not be any clearer nor blatant the US, UK and France state that UNSC resolutions have no credibility when we say so and it is politcally expedient for us to break the contracts and dissavowel ourselves of our obligations when we want to. In which case all other UN resolutions and international norms and laws such as the Sovereignity and territorial integrity of all UN recognised members no longer carry any protection what so ever - why should any nation uphold them when 3 of the permanent members no longer uphold them?

Thus we will enter a very dark era where military might overides all international laws since they have been thrown out and thus President Tadic will have no option when the diplomatic jaw-jaw runs its course and the US, UK and France have such low regard for international law to rip up the contract they formulated and signed in order to establish peace that they now wish to continue war - that is a very ominous and dark period ahead.

Mr Lyon, there is some international law that should be respected. If that law is about to be breached then every ethnic group or minority in this planet has the same right to do. It is hypocritical to label Serbia of playing games or blame Serbia for future outcomes when the entire world is aware that Kosovo recognisition is going to induce chain reaction. USA and EU are playing with the fire and you know that,right.

So James Lyon thinks that Belgrade is playing with fire.

Belgrade is only trying to put out the fire that US has already lit and now pouring more accelerant on. The ones playing with it are the Albanian team and their merry men.

"“It is obvious that Russia is trying to force the European Union and U.S. to solve the Kosovo question through the United Nations Security Council. It now looks as if the U.S. and EU have decided to solve the question outside of the UN Security Council. That is the problem and we will see what the outcome will be,” Lyon told the Voice of America. "

Does anybody else here feel that this is more of a political game between East and West rather than a genuine and sincere effort to preserve the stability in the region and attend to the peoples' interests?

No Jovan, no, I don't 'lose'! i wasn't expelled by KLA or NATO bombs, my grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins, friends, were no expelled by KLA or NATO bombs, - each and everyone of us was expelled with force and guns pointed at us by serb paramilitary units, comprised of serbian police units and serbian local civilians.

Now i am sure that you three will call me a liar, or will tell me that they were actuallly KLA soliders but i was stupid enough to confuse the uniform and language, or even that it was all a dream - and thats fine, because I understand that you need to believe that in order to justify you prejudiced opinions and views of K. Albanians.

Dragan's comments was the best - 'Serbs didn't run because its their home, and nobody runs from their home!' - I guess the 1 million albanians the left, were just tourists in Kosovo, who got caught up in the fighting!

The number of ablanians that crossed from Albania into Kosovo after WW2, is minimal and insignifacnt. That is just part of serbia propaganda.

I have not met a single albanian man in Kosovo over 60 - 65 years old who was born in Albania and moved to Kosovo after WW2!!! The graves of my great great parents and their parents are in Kosovo!

Wake up!

To nikshala,
Your comments are way too 'complicating' for some people to understand.
How could you possibly have an inteligent argument with people who believe that we have butchered each other so we could blame the Serbs. Did you see 800,000 people living in tents 'cheering' and 'celebrating'?!
These kind of insults should not be allowed in a civilised world. I guess we wont be missing these people once we get the long awaited divorce.

The ICG is an albanian lobby group so this kind of anti-Serb propoganda is nothing new from them. Their goal is to turn the victim into the oppressor, the ethnic cleansers into the cleansed, the tolarant to the intolerant (and vice versa), and to blame the Serbs for trying to defend their borders and their ancestral homeland, Kosovo.
No matter how much Mr. Lyon flaps his gums, he can not change the fact that any redrawing of borders has to be done through the UN, period.

Mr Lyon, you are just another delusional Whitehall mandarin. Yes how dare Belgrade point out to the West of the folly of overriding international law. How dare Belgrade stand up for the rights of the sovereign state, yes how dare Belgrade try all legal means possible to uphold its territorial sovereignty. How dare Belgrade stand up and tell the West, "no we will not allow you to dismember our state". How dare Belgrade not roll over when we tell them to.

Here's some more that he comes out with.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=5167&l=1

bmrusila,
US always plays with fire. Do you know why?
I guess it knows how to handle it.
Lazer,

Yeah Lazer, I have seen it how good they handdle it in Afganistan and Iraq. Excellent handling :))))).

Mr. Lyon says, “It is obvious that Russia is trying to force the European Union and U.S. to solve the Kosovo question through the United Nations Security Council”.

Just tell the truth James...The west would certainly abide by international law and stay within the UNSC to solve the Kosovo issue if they knew they could get their desired outcome.

James also says…”It is now testing the nerves of the West in order to provoke a negative reaction from the Kosovo Albanians”
As I read this the west is frustrated because they can’t get their way so lets save face and blame Russia and Serbia for our ineptness.
If the Kosovo Albanians don’t get what they want, they will probably resort to violence so let’s blame Russia and Serbia for this too.

James, most human beings are far too intelligent to fall for these lame excuses.

If Mr. Lyon’s comments weren’t so hypocritical, I think they would actually be funny.

HA HA HA!!! The ICG is such a fraud...a group of amateurs whose analyses are never accurate. I wonder why B92 even gives them any space? I don't see them quoted in BBC, on CNN, Fox, Der Spiegel, etc.

OH WAIT! It's the Soros connection! Let's dance with the devil! Soros (maybe Sorbos) will save the Serbs! HA HA HA!!!

I'm growing tired of this international game of chicken. The West blames everything on Serbia, the Serbs blame everything on the West, the Albanians put unwavering hope in US foreign policy, the Serbs do the same for the Russians, The West continues to dismiss Russia as a paper tiger, and everybody believes both law, history, and moral ethics are on their side. It's absolutely amazing how everyone has opinions, but no one can come up with a long lasting solution.

It is rather appalling to see (and hear) how these lobbyist for Kosovo’s independence interpret Serbia’s insistence on survival as an act of “…creating problems in neighboring countries…”. One must wonder is this International Crisis Group actually a group for invoking the International crisis.
Serbia is not testing anybody’s nerves.
Serbia is trying to preserve it’s survival. If this is too much to ask for – it should be stated as such.
West caused this grotesque situation of splintering Serbian nation into pieces, propped up any government that would help them in that endeavor and than complains that it is Serbia who is the problem. Problem how? By daring to complain while being butchered?
In this game you have Serbia on one side, who just want to preserve its existence and on the other side you have political elites and interest who consider this issues as yet another experiment.
The urge to survive in its very nature is usually very strong – so my bets are on Serbia.
Any takers?

International Crisis Group...Who pays the Piper?

If you donate at least U.S.$25,000 to the ICG, you can be offered a position on their International Advisory Board.
Money talks.

http://www.spinwatch.org/content/view/1043/9/

that´s no analysis.

but one thing I would agree on: the boomerang effect, but... it would be bad for the Albanians.

of course Lyon doesn´t write that, and Albanians do not believe it. but...let´s see what future brings!

Nikshala,

RTS? Are you referring to the RTS that your brave NATO criminals bombed from 15,000 feet and killed Serbian make-up women and janitors? That RTS?
I haven't watched it for years in fact. Everything I write on here is the truth, and I challenge you or any other of your albanian compatriots to disprove me. I see lies, exaggerations, and anti-Serb propoganda written on here every day by team 'greater albania'. Their arguments have more holes in them than Swiss cheese. I would love to have a battle of wits with them, but that would leave them unarmed.

I have a GREAT idea - why don't we ask international court of justice for LEGAL oppinion regarding Kosovo issue. Then when we get a LEGAL oppinion - we negotiate based on its stand. What do you think?

"know for a fact why we albanians left, since I was there and I know exactly why hundreds of people from my noehgbourhood left.
(nikshala, 28 November 2007 18:43)"

well, nikshala... there are albanian reports that uck-criminals forced them to leave their houses, even if they wanted to stay.
that´s something that you can deny, but even western sources have reported it.
you lose.

oh, and.. could perhaps anybody here explain to this "Vini" what legal succession means?

and furthermore Vini should get in touch with reality, since Albanians have no connections whatsoever with the Illyrians.
fullstop.

If albanians were leaving coz of NATO bombs, how come serbs were not leaving Serbia, considering Serbia was getting bombed as well? Ok if more bombs were falling in Kosovo than Serbia, how come K.Serbs were not leaving Kosovo as well during NATO bombing?

I eagerly await your 'logical' explanation for this?
(nikshala, 28 November 2007 18:43)

That's an easy answer Nikshala. Serbs did not leave because Kosovo, Serbia, are their homes. When someone attacks your home, you don't run, you defend it. Kosovo belongs to Serbia. This is the same reason that albanians were cheering for the dropping of cluster bombs, depleted uranium, and the wholesale destruction of Kosovo - because it does not belong to them. Nobody cheers for the destruction of something that belongs to them.
Besides, you know very well that the KLA gave orders for civilians to leave en masse, so they could show columns of people to CNN. Were there any columns of refugees leaving before the NATO bombing? No.
In fact, for years and years albanians were leaving albania proper and crossing the border illegally to live in Kosovo for a better life! Why would albanians do that if the Serbs such butchers, tell me will you?

You are forgetting something. This Resolution doesn't not apply anymore since the Federal Republic of Yugosllavia doesn't exist anymore, therefore Serbia has no claim whatsoever over Dardania(Kosova).
(Vini,

Why Albanians always use this as an excuse and as the obstacle of UNSC resolution 1244 implementation.

You should finally learn that Serbia is leagl successor of SR Yugoslavia and this is not an obstacle since it is clearly meantioned and documented that Kosovo is Serbian province within SR Yugoslavia.

bmrusila,

most Albanians in Kosovo are very young. and most of them don´t know very much about the issue, exept what they have read in their yellow-press..

so you can´t really blame them for not knowing it.
it´s simply their weakness. they are desperate, and they desperately try to grab every straw...even if it is an so ridiculous pseude-argument like "Yugoslavia doest exist anymore..." what simply doesn´t matter at all.

If this does not prove to Serbs whom runs B92 and in what line they tow then nothing will.This is utterly
Albanian propaganda whose only goal is to soften up Serbian views.The insane Orwellian claim that Srbija the one who has cuased this issue.Why would Srbija create a crisis that takes away here territory.Up is down black is white good is evil and NATO is a problem solver.The Serbian people know what is going on and whom the enemy s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCYIQLqxbnc

http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/James-Blunt/No-Bravery.html

"If albanians were leaving coz of NATO bombs, how come serbs were not leaving Serbia, considering Serbia was getting bombed as well? Ok if more bombs were falling in Kosovo than Serbia, how come K.Serbs were not leaving Kosovo as well during NATO bombing?" - Nikshalla.

Actuall Nikshalla, there were many K-Albanians leaving Kosovo for Serbia proper during the bombing. If I remember at the time tens of thousands of K-Albanians fled Kosovo for Serbia proper to escape the anarchy, carnage and atrocities that the bombings and paramilitaries from both sides brought. Some 100,000 K-Albanian refugees fled to Montenegro (then part of FRY) where they were looked after in centres and field hospitals set up by the JNA and Police.

You also have to remember that KLA expelled pro-Yugoslav ethnic Albanians as well.

To clean cut and alban...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie1xyrW8xmY&feature=related

To BH-NYC:

You can get divorced no probelm, but we are keeping our land.

It seems that Mr. Lyon got the inspiration for his fable in one written by Aesop and retold by Jean de Lafontaine in 17th century. The fable of the lamb muddying the water to the wolf.

Such war mongering writing is morally corrupt, as is U.S. position on Kosovo. Since United States State Department is into fables and pays for them, Mr. Burns should read the originals, not Lyon's plagiarisms, e.g. "The Lion and a Mouse" fable.

http://www.aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?3&TheLionandtheMouse2