Ahmet,the times are different now and Russia is in a much better position.
But let's forget Russia for now, how about the other NATO troops who are friendly to the Serbs? What are you going to do when they get deployed to the north? Do you think they will shoot the Serbs for you?
Russian interests are the same as Serbian now. There will be no more bombing of Serbia because China's embassy got bombed once and they will not have the guts to do it again especially when their people live there now.
You seem to be stuck in the past. Today is a new reality.
Peggy, do you mean when Russia rolled with tanks in Prishtina airport. In 2-3 days they did not have even water to drink. How soon do you forget that scenario? In the end they pulled out of Kosova completaly because Russia could not feed handful of soldiers.
Kosova is de facto independent. It has been functioning as an Independent State since 8 years and very soon will be recognized de jure internationally. After that, drinks on us. Everything will be just fine. No one even dares to think about oppening another conflict in the Balkans. Serbian Army doesn't need to get worried about anything. They can stay in their barracks because they are the last thing that anyone needs around these days.
Kosovar - Serbs are a minority in Kosova.
(KS, 24 November 2007 20:01)"
KS...you still don´t get it?
K-albanians are the minority...within Serbia!
I know, you don´t like that...but you will overcome your frustration.
by the way...are you still counting days?
what will you count, if the do not declare "independence" on december 11th?
Hey folks how about we make a deal and avoid all this.
Personally I don't see Russians coming to Serbia's aid. However, this is not the 1990's , and I don't see NATO attacking Serbia either. The only way I see the Serbian army coming into Kosovo is if the Albanians start a killing rampage on Serbian enclaves, which might provoke some kind of response. In any case, given past history the Serbs should be on alert.
Although NATO would fully deploy to stop Serbia from taking control of Kosovo by force, Albanians should remember that NATO stood by and let Serbian forces clean house when Albanian terrorists started trouble in Presevo and Bujanovac a few years ago. Moreover, relations between NATO and the Serbian military has evan improved since then.
as long as I see our dear albanian friends desperately trying to interprete everything they read in a way that suits them..... I know that they are desperate, and that the situation is okay.
no need for any fear, who starts trouble will get even more of it.
and UNMIK, KFOR and so on...they all are bound to UNSC 1244.
don´t fool yourself to believe, what your papers are telling them... keep in mind..they are mafia-infested, too. ( isn´t Surroj the owner of Koha Ditore? )
"Sidi, if I were you, I would not count that much on NATO troops. As from the past you may noticed that they never protected anyone else exept themselves without opposing any side.
(bmrusila, 24 November 2007 16:24
Are you saying that the Kosovar Albanians should get ready to defend Northern Mitrovica if Serbs attack?
(EA,
No, this mean if Albanians try to enter North forcefully and NATO fail to protect Serbs then Serbian Army would take measures. All I am saying that NATO will not react to protect Albanians nor Serbs but would just supervize the clashes between Serbian Army and armed Albanians. This has happened many times in previous wars in Croatia and Bosnia. They never protected anyone. NATO soldiers wont risk thier lives. Clear now? Serbian Defence Ministry was clear when saying that they wont take any military measures after proclamation of independence but they will react if NATO do not provide protection for Serbian minority. And as said before I am almost certain that Albanians will try to enter North in order to gain some control over the North. In that case Serbs have full support to defend themselves and their teritory since they also have right on ethnical selfdetermiantion and clearly they do not want Albanians to rule over their lives.
To be honest, every nation in the Balkan region is very sceptical in any declaration of any plans from Serbian Army. It is their history of actions that make everyone follow closely their agenda, just in case someone decides to "play Milosevic" and start another war in the Balkans. If Serbian Army says it has plans about something, you should be sure that the neighbouring countries and the West have more than just plans in case something goes terribly wrong. Lets hope that guns are held by the right people this time.
"The same Russians who pulled out of Pristina airport? lol
Before they could be deployed anywhere, Russia's duma would have to approve this move AND, the UN would have to approve it too, AND so would the NATO command. lolol Not likely they'll go anywhere, as Chechens know if Russia moves west, they'll move on Russian forces in Grosni, Well, we all know how this game always ends up. Serbia losing more land.
(Lani, 24 November 2007 18:00)"
Permit me to correct you:
1) Russia could bypass the UN the same way they did with Chechnya and the same way the US did with the UN. Superpowers do that often.
2) They don't need permission from NATO to do anything. Same way as NATO does not need permission from Russia to do anything. They are not authorities over each other. Russia did nothing in Kosovo, NATO did nothing in Chechnya.
3) Chechnya is neutralized, Shamil Basayev is dead, Aslan Maskhadov is dead, the Ichkeria regime is small and poorly led, the government and most of the population is pro-Moscow and there is no more war, aside from sporadic attacks every so often.
Lani, Did Russians need NATO permission when they rolled their tanks in Sarajevo airport? No. They just did it. When something is important to Russia they will do whatever they want.
I don't think NATO will want to go to war with Russia any more than Russia wants to go to war with NATO. So it will just happen.
Don't forget there are other troops friendly to Serbs in Kosovo. They too can be deployed to the North. What are you going to do about that?
Serbs are not prey for you to start picking off one by one. You will never terrorise them again. More countries are seeing the error of they ways and finding it harder to justify their actions to the own people.
These are different times now. 1999 is well and truly gone.
"Recognition that Serbian resolve is a monumental obstacle ..."
So much for Serbian resolve, it did nothing for the Krajina Serbs' trek home to Serbia or for the thousands of Serbs on tractors who fled in between JNA tanks back to Nis in 1999.
"I see a hint that the West might be preparing to betray them"
You mean like how the West is prepared to betray the canton of Srpska or Serbia's economy with their rejection at the EU talks? lol
"Sidi, if I were you, I would not count that much on NATO troops."
True, we just hope NATO deploys Romanian troops in Drenica and Turkish troops in Mitrovica. :)
"Sidi, if I were you, I would not count that much on NATO troops. As from the past you may noticed that they never protected anyone else exept themselves without opposing any side.
(bmrusila, 24 November 2007 16:24
Are you saying that the Kosovar Albanians should get ready to defend Northern Mitrovica if Serbs attack?
Ahmet who are you? top pretending you have anything to do with Kosovo or are even from Kosovo.
KFOR can do nothing to stop the Serbs in the north from partitioning and leaving you in your dump.
The Serbian army can handle anything the NATO threw out it which is why they never had the guts to face us on the ground. Besides the Army has underwent mass modernization and reorganization since 2000.
If the ANA/KLA start to attack Serbs...again, you can bet your dollars that the VS will crush them to dust and rightfully so.
Don't talk about stupid moves your "government" seems to be making them on a daily basis. KFOR does not care about you so get that through your head, one by one the countries will start to pull out their troops as you start to escalate the situation. And then you will be left high and dry to sit in your mess alone.
Why Serbia has effectively be the winner over Kosovo since the beginning?
* The Russian veto matters.
* Russian resolve beyond the veto is not doubted.
* Other countries that are angered by the disregard for International law, e.g. China, have also astonished the West with the force of their opposition, privately at the UN.
* Serbian resolve to never concede Kosovo is acknowledged.
* Recognition that Serbian resolve is a monumental obstacle to Western foreign policy, for which there is no solution.
* The destabilizing effects of Kosovan independence on Bosnia are clear.
* The precedent set, causes too many complications for Israel / Palestine.
* There is no prospect of EU unity. Damaging splits will emerge intra EU, and between the EU and USA.
* It is increasingly obvious to more and more people that there was no Genocide in Kosovo, and there is no justification for indpendence.
* Public backlash is feared in NATO countries, especially if things go wrong.
* An official German report, reported in Der Spiegel, described that Kosovo was a basket-case of a 'nation' with little prospect to improve, and that it was effectively beyond help.
* NATO no longer trusts the Albanians as allies.
* NATO does not trust the Albanians not to embarass her, by razing Orthodox churches and the like.
* NATO powers have been angered by clumsy threats or bad diplomacy by the Albanians.
* NATO realises that Kosovan Albanian society has been distracted by dreams of independence, but that civil unrest or even civil war is near, and NATO does not want to be anywhere near when this happens. NATO wants to get out.
* Greater Albania looms.
* There is a growing movement in the USA by the likes of John Bolton and others, who acknowledge an irrational 17 year anti-Serb bias, and there is growing anger about the logic of foreign policy re the Balkans (this is certainly a new item on the list).
* Western security services have privately delivered inconvenient assessments to their governments, about actual or potential links between islamic extremism, and supposed allies in the Balkans.
* There is finally an acknowledgement by Western decision makers, that the Serbs were the best prospect for Kosovo, and that only the Serbs were mad enough to consider wanting to have Kosovo in their country, and were doing everybody a favour.
did I miss any?
From Serbia's point of view, the only urgency in getting Kosovo back, is the preservation of heritage sites, and the plight of the dispossessed minorities, many hunkered in the Mitrovica ghetto. From a tactical point of view, Serbia can sit back and pick its moment
The Kosovar Albanians have very few cards, and for the second time (through Simon's article), I see a hint that the West might be preparing to betray them. The first time was a story I only saw in the UK Independent about a month ago, where Germany's representative on Kosovo told reporters that the Albanians could forget about UDI independence.
Canadian NATO is UN sanctioned to protect kosovo. Russia has no intention of militarily intervening and risking a World War over Serbia. They have a master plan and Serbia is only a stepping stone. They actually want Kosovo to declare independence and then they will condemn it and at the same time create turmoil in the pro-western block of the former Soviet Union. They will recognize separatist declarations there and then the cards will be if the west recognizes theirs, Russia will recognize Kosovo. Putin is very smart and he is using Serbia to advance his agenda not yours.
Well I would to tell my opinion. The Kosovo problem is going to be resolved early next year. The world is tired with Western Balkans problems. Therefore, Kosovo’s parliament after 10 December or the latest January next year will declare its independence. The Serbian political people they are aware of independence, but they can not tell the truth because they are involved in crime and corruption.
As per Russia they dream to become again the superpower like in the cold, but that’s only attempt anyway, and Serbian political leaders hoping on dead body like Russia to help them. Serbia in 1999 had the worst scenario because they never believed NATO will bomb, so it happened. Where Russia was then? please can anybody tell me!
once again, we can read some macho-phrases from our albanian friends...
don´t worry, nothing will happen if the Albanians stay calm. otherwise, they will unfortunately learn that not everything their yellow-press is telling them is true...
the Serbs are highly motivated, trained and equipped.
that should be answer enough, I think.
let´s hope the fanatics do not provoke any trouble, albeit I think that it would be in their interest to act aggressively. but I also think that this could backfire.
well, let´s see.
Canadian I am willing to bet with you that if Serbia attempts to send troops the Russians will not come to your rescue.
You know why? Because they're not in Kosova/o anymore. If they were there then yes they would help you. However there are a lot of wrongs in the scenario of the Russians flying from Russia to fight the West. Only an ardent communist would really believe in such scenarios. Granted Putin is a dictator, yet he is not Stalin.
Hehe, the NATO army in Kosovo is a peacekeeping force, not a personal bodyguard of the Kosovo Albanians. They will react just as stringently against any Kosovo Albanians that unlawfully attack Serbs in Northern Kosovo. Let's hope neither side do anything rash and hope for peace, rather.
Canadian
I don't think Russia will react to this Canadian, Kosovo is in NATO's sphere of influence and Russia wouldn't intrude on it. Same way NATO did not intervene when Russia sent in troops to Chechnya, NATO did nothing (even when Grozny was leveled), because it's in Russia's sphere of influence. NATO and Russia are both too strong and will not go to war with each other.
Canadian: “…don’t forget that the LAW is on Serbia’s side…”
are you a lawyer ??? have you ever taken any exam in international law?? I just doubt in it..
and why are you signing as Canadian, do you want to say that you speak in the name of all Canadians? is your Canadian life more important that the kosovar one?
The same Russians who pulled out of Pristina airport? lol
Before they could be deployed anywhere, Russia's duma would have to approve this move AND, the UN would have to approve it too, AND so would the NATO command. lolol Not likely they'll go anywhere, as Chechens know if Russia moves west, they'll move on Russian forces in Grosni, Well, we all know how this game always ends up. Serbia losing more land.
Finally the reality is sinking in all over Belgrade.
To:bmrusila,
Tghere is no need for Albanians to even bother making plans to enter north by force. Reason being is that north os swarmed with UNMIK-P + KFOR soldiers. In addittion to many troops there another batalion of German contingent made up of 550 soldiers armed to the teeth are being stationed there and conducting raids on daily bases. You don't have a clue what is going on on north and what plans are in making and will be executed the minute serbia attempts to make any stupid move. We know that KPS SERBS,at least majority of them have been instructed to change uniforms, but there is a contingency plans to replace them on the spot and make immediate arrests as we go along.
Sidi,said > “16,000 NATO soldiers, 2500 of them American, will crush any thing resembling a Serb Army.”
I think not sir because Russian commandos will be certainly be deployed in the North of Kosovo should the Serbian army find it necessary to protect its citizens inside their own country and believe me Sidi NATO will not under any circumstance attack Russian troops. The US and EU will not start a major European war involving Europe’s only Super Power, “Russia” over you people. Quite simply you are not that important. Furthermore, don’t forget that the LAW is on Serbia’s side it will be impossible for the west to justify a war to its people against Serbia and Russia when the law clearly states that Serbia is in the right! Sidi you are way to smug in thinking you own the US and EU as a personal security force.
This is good. The plan must be made if the violence break out. Perhaps our Army has some information on Albanian plans. I am almost certain that Albanians are planning to enter North forcefully and thus our Army must be rady to react if necessary. They are also aware that NATO cannot be trusted.
Sidi, if I were you, I would not count that much on NATO troops. As from the past you may noticed that they never protected anyone else exept themselves without opposing any side.
I find it amusing that he tries to imply that Serbia will send in the troops, but he doesn't have the guts to say so in public. I pray that Serbia makes such a move, because it will be the last move it ever makes. 16,000 NATO soldiers, 2500 of them American, will crush any thing resembling a Serb Army. But then again, they will not try something so dumb. These are just threats for public consumption.
Mr. Kostunica! Keep that way. Your government shows a lot of goodwill and flexibility in order to solve a crisis. K-Albanians didn't make any concession.
Improve relation with Russia and then request concession from Europe. Play Tito card.
And stay unaligned.
EU will beg you to become a member.
And with help of Russia and its petrodollars prepare a "banana, orange, velvet, etc" revolution in Kosovo.
If you will be able to even slightly improve a standard of living of peoples of Kosovo they will stop to call for its independence fro Serbia, they will stop to call it KOSOVA and they will be happy to be Serbia's citizens.
I find it amusing that he tries to imply that Serbia will send in the troops, but he doesn't have the guts to say so in public. I pray that Serbia makes such a move, because it will be the last move it ever makes. 16,000 NATO soldiers, 2500 of them American, will crush any thing resembling a Serb Army. But then again, they will not try something so dumb. These are just threats for public consumption.
Sidi,said > “16,000 NATO soldiers, 2500 of them American, will crush any thing resembling a Serb Army.”
I think not sir because Russian commandos will be certainly be deployed in the North of Kosovo should the Serbian army find it necessary to protect its citizens inside their own country and believe me Sidi NATO will not under any circumstance attack Russian troops. The US and EU will not start a major European war involving Europe’s only Super Power, “Russia” over you people. Quite simply you are not that important. Furthermore, don’t forget that the LAW is on Serbia’s side it will be impossible for the west to justify a war to its people against Serbia and Russia when the law clearly states that Serbia is in the right! Sidi you are way to smug in thinking you own the US and EU as a personal security force.
Mr. Kostunica! Keep that way. Your government shows a lot of goodwill and flexibility in order to solve a crisis. K-Albanians didn't make any concession.
Improve relation with Russia and then request concession from Europe. Play Tito card.
And stay unaligned.
EU will beg you to become a member.
And with help of Russia and its petrodollars prepare a "banana, orange, velvet, etc" revolution in Kosovo.
If you will be able to even slightly improve a standard of living of peoples of Kosovo they will stop to call for its independence fro Serbia, they will stop to call it KOSOVA and they will be happy to be Serbia's citizens.
Lani, Did Russians need NATO permission when they rolled their tanks in Sarajevo airport? No. They just did it. When something is important to Russia they will do whatever they want.
I don't think NATO will want to go to war with Russia any more than Russia wants to go to war with NATO. So it will just happen.
Don't forget there are other troops friendly to Serbs in Kosovo. They too can be deployed to the North. What are you going to do about that?
Serbs are not prey for you to start picking off one by one. You will never terrorise them again. More countries are seeing the error of they ways and finding it harder to justify their actions to the own people.
These are different times now. 1999 is well and truly gone.
Why Serbia has effectively be the winner over Kosovo since the beginning?
* The Russian veto matters.
* Russian resolve beyond the veto is not doubted.
* Other countries that are angered by the disregard for International law, e.g. China, have also astonished the West with the force of their opposition, privately at the UN.
* Serbian resolve to never concede Kosovo is acknowledged.
* Recognition that Serbian resolve is a monumental obstacle to Western foreign policy, for which there is no solution.
* The destabilizing effects of Kosovan independence on Bosnia are clear.
* The precedent set, causes too many complications for Israel / Palestine.
* There is no prospect of EU unity. Damaging splits will emerge intra EU, and between the EU and USA.
* It is increasingly obvious to more and more people that there was no Genocide in Kosovo, and there is no justification for indpendence.
* Public backlash is feared in NATO countries, especially if things go wrong.
* An official German report, reported in Der Spiegel, described that Kosovo was a basket-case of a 'nation' with little prospect to improve, and that it was effectively beyond help.
* NATO no longer trusts the Albanians as allies.
* NATO does not trust the Albanians not to embarass her, by razing Orthodox churches and the like.
* NATO powers have been angered by clumsy threats or bad diplomacy by the Albanians.
* NATO realises that Kosovan Albanian society has been distracted by dreams of independence, but that civil unrest or even civil war is near, and NATO does not want to be anywhere near when this happens. NATO wants to get out.
* Greater Albania looms.
* There is a growing movement in the USA by the likes of John Bolton and others, who acknowledge an irrational 17 year anti-Serb bias, and there is growing anger about the logic of foreign policy re the Balkans (this is certainly a new item on the list).
* Western security services have privately delivered inconvenient assessments to their governments, about actual or potential links between islamic extremism, and supposed allies in the Balkans.
* There is finally an acknowledgement by Western decision makers, that the Serbs were the best prospect for Kosovo, and that only the Serbs were mad enough to consider wanting to have Kosovo in their country, and were doing everybody a favour.
did I miss any?
From Serbia's point of view, the only urgency in getting Kosovo back, is the preservation of heritage sites, and the plight of the dispossessed minorities, many hunkered in the Mitrovica ghetto. From a tactical point of view, Serbia can sit back and pick its moment
The Kosovar Albanians have very few cards, and for the second time (through Simon's article), I see a hint that the West might be preparing to betray them. The first time was a story I only saw in the UK Independent about a month ago, where Germany's representative on Kosovo told reporters that the Albanians could forget about UDI independence.
"Sidi, if I were you, I would not count that much on NATO troops. As from the past you may noticed that they never protected anyone else exept themselves without opposing any side.
(bmrusila, 24 November 2007 16:24
Are you saying that the Kosovar Albanians should get ready to defend Northern Mitrovica if Serbs attack?
(EA,
No, this mean if Albanians try to enter North forcefully and NATO fail to protect Serbs then Serbian Army would take measures. All I am saying that NATO will not react to protect Albanians nor Serbs but would just supervize the clashes between Serbian Army and armed Albanians. This has happened many times in previous wars in Croatia and Bosnia. They never protected anyone. NATO soldiers wont risk thier lives. Clear now? Serbian Defence Ministry was clear when saying that they wont take any military measures after proclamation of independence but they will react if NATO do not provide protection for Serbian minority. And as said before I am almost certain that Albanians will try to enter North in order to gain some control over the North. In that case Serbs have full support to defend themselves and their teritory since they also have right on ethnical selfdetermiantion and clearly they do not want Albanians to rule over their lives.
Finally the reality is sinking in all over Belgrade.
To:bmrusila,
Tghere is no need for Albanians to even bother making plans to enter north by force. Reason being is that north os swarmed with UNMIK-P + KFOR soldiers. In addittion to many troops there another batalion of German contingent made up of 550 soldiers armed to the teeth are being stationed there and conducting raids on daily bases. You don't have a clue what is going on on north and what plans are in making and will be executed the minute serbia attempts to make any stupid move. We know that KPS SERBS,at least majority of them have been instructed to change uniforms, but there is a contingency plans to replace them on the spot and make immediate arrests as we go along.
Ahmet who are you? top pretending you have anything to do with Kosovo or are even from Kosovo.
KFOR can do nothing to stop the Serbs in the north from partitioning and leaving you in your dump.
The Serbian army can handle anything the NATO threw out it which is why they never had the guts to face us on the ground. Besides the Army has underwent mass modernization and reorganization since 2000.
If the ANA/KLA start to attack Serbs...again, you can bet your dollars that the VS will crush them to dust and rightfully so.
Don't talk about stupid moves your "government" seems to be making them on a daily basis. KFOR does not care about you so get that through your head, one by one the countries will start to pull out their troops as you start to escalate the situation. And then you will be left high and dry to sit in your mess alone.
Hey folks how about we make a deal and avoid all this.
Personally I don't see Russians coming to Serbia's aid. However, this is not the 1990's , and I don't see NATO attacking Serbia either. The only way I see the Serbian army coming into Kosovo is if the Albanians start a killing rampage on Serbian enclaves, which might provoke some kind of response. In any case, given past history the Serbs should be on alert.
Although NATO would fully deploy to stop Serbia from taking control of Kosovo by force, Albanians should remember that NATO stood by and let Serbian forces clean house when Albanian terrorists started trouble in Presevo and Bujanovac a few years ago. Moreover, relations between NATO and the Serbian military has evan improved since then.
This is good. The plan must be made if the violence break out. Perhaps our Army has some information on Albanian plans. I am almost certain that Albanians are planning to enter North forcefully and thus our Army must be rady to react if necessary. They are also aware that NATO cannot be trusted.
Sidi, if I were you, I would not count that much on NATO troops. As from the past you may noticed that they never protected anyone else exept themselves without opposing any side.
once again, we can read some macho-phrases from our albanian friends...
don´t worry, nothing will happen if the Albanians stay calm. otherwise, they will unfortunately learn that not everything their yellow-press is telling them is true...
the Serbs are highly motivated, trained and equipped.
that should be answer enough, I think.
let´s hope the fanatics do not provoke any trouble, albeit I think that it would be in their interest to act aggressively. but I also think that this could backfire.
well, let´s see.
as long as I see our dear albanian friends desperately trying to interprete everything they read in a way that suits them..... I know that they are desperate, and that the situation is okay.
no need for any fear, who starts trouble will get even more of it.
and UNMIK, KFOR and so on...they all are bound to UNSC 1244.
don´t fool yourself to believe, what your papers are telling them... keep in mind..they are mafia-infested, too. ( isn´t Surroj the owner of Koha Ditore? )
Canadian: “…don’t forget that the LAW is on Serbia’s side…”
are you a lawyer ??? have you ever taken any exam in international law?? I just doubt in it..
and why are you signing as Canadian, do you want to say that you speak in the name of all Canadians? is your Canadian life more important that the kosovar one?
Canadian I am willing to bet with you that if Serbia attempts to send troops the Russians will not come to your rescue.
You know why? Because they're not in Kosova/o anymore. If they were there then yes they would help you. However there are a lot of wrongs in the scenario of the Russians flying from Russia to fight the West. Only an ardent communist would really believe in such scenarios. Granted Putin is a dictator, yet he is not Stalin.
"The same Russians who pulled out of Pristina airport? lol
Before they could be deployed anywhere, Russia's duma would have to approve this move AND, the UN would have to approve it too, AND so would the NATO command. lolol Not likely they'll go anywhere, as Chechens know if Russia moves west, they'll move on Russian forces in Grosni, Well, we all know how this game always ends up. Serbia losing more land.
(Lani, 24 November 2007 18:00)"
Permit me to correct you:
1) Russia could bypass the UN the same way they did with Chechnya and the same way the US did with the UN. Superpowers do that often.
2) They don't need permission from NATO to do anything. Same way as NATO does not need permission from Russia to do anything. They are not authorities over each other. Russia did nothing in Kosovo, NATO did nothing in Chechnya.
3) Chechnya is neutralized, Shamil Basayev is dead, Aslan Maskhadov is dead, the Ichkeria regime is small and poorly led, the government and most of the population is pro-Moscow and there is no more war, aside from sporadic attacks every so often.
The same Russians who pulled out of Pristina airport? lol
Before they could be deployed anywhere, Russia's duma would have to approve this move AND, the UN would have to approve it too, AND so would the NATO command. lolol Not likely they'll go anywhere, as Chechens know if Russia moves west, they'll move on Russian forces in Grosni, Well, we all know how this game always ends up. Serbia losing more land.
Kosovar - Serbs are a minority in Kosova.
(KS, 24 November 2007 20:01)"
KS...you still don´t get it?
K-albanians are the minority...within Serbia!
I know, you don´t like that...but you will overcome your frustration.
by the way...are you still counting days?
what will you count, if the do not declare "independence" on december 11th?
Well I would to tell my opinion. The Kosovo problem is going to be resolved early next year. The world is tired with Western Balkans problems. Therefore, Kosovo’s parliament after 10 December or the latest January next year will declare its independence. The Serbian political people they are aware of independence, but they can not tell the truth because they are involved in crime and corruption.
As per Russia they dream to become again the superpower like in the cold, but that’s only attempt anyway, and Serbian political leaders hoping on dead body like Russia to help them. Serbia in 1999 had the worst scenario because they never believed NATO will bomb, so it happened. Where Russia was then? please can anybody tell me!
"Sidi, if I were you, I would not count that much on NATO troops. As from the past you may noticed that they never protected anyone else exept themselves without opposing any side.
(bmrusila, 24 November 2007 16:24
Are you saying that the Kosovar Albanians should get ready to defend Northern Mitrovica if Serbs attack?
Peggy, do you mean when Russia rolled with tanks in Prishtina airport. In 2-3 days they did not have even water to drink. How soon do you forget that scenario? In the end they pulled out of Kosova completaly because Russia could not feed handful of soldiers.
Hehe, the NATO army in Kosovo is a peacekeeping force, not a personal bodyguard of the Kosovo Albanians. They will react just as stringently against any Kosovo Albanians that unlawfully attack Serbs in Northern Kosovo. Let's hope neither side do anything rash and hope for peace, rather.
Canadian
I don't think Russia will react to this Canadian, Kosovo is in NATO's sphere of influence and Russia wouldn't intrude on it. Same way NATO did not intervene when Russia sent in troops to Chechnya, NATO did nothing (even when Grozny was leveled), because it's in Russia's sphere of influence. NATO and Russia are both too strong and will not go to war with each other.
Canadian NATO is UN sanctioned to protect kosovo. Russia has no intention of militarily intervening and risking a World War over Serbia. They have a master plan and Serbia is only a stepping stone. They actually want Kosovo to declare independence and then they will condemn it and at the same time create turmoil in the pro-western block of the former Soviet Union. They will recognize separatist declarations there and then the cards will be if the west recognizes theirs, Russia will recognize Kosovo. Putin is very smart and he is using Serbia to advance his agenda not yours.
To be honest, every nation in the Balkan region is very sceptical in any declaration of any plans from Serbian Army. It is their history of actions that make everyone follow closely their agenda, just in case someone decides to "play Milosevic" and start another war in the Balkans. If Serbian Army says it has plans about something, you should be sure that the neighbouring countries and the West have more than just plans in case something goes terribly wrong. Lets hope that guns are held by the right people this time.
Kosova is de facto independent. It has been functioning as an Independent State since 8 years and very soon will be recognized de jure internationally. After that, drinks on us. Everything will be just fine. No one even dares to think about oppening another conflict in the Balkans. Serbian Army doesn't need to get worried about anything. They can stay in their barracks because they are the last thing that anyone needs around these days.
"Recognition that Serbian resolve is a monumental obstacle ..."
So much for Serbian resolve, it did nothing for the Krajina Serbs' trek home to Serbia or for the thousands of Serbs on tractors who fled in between JNA tanks back to Nis in 1999.
"I see a hint that the West might be preparing to betray them"
You mean like how the West is prepared to betray the canton of Srpska or Serbia's economy with their rejection at the EU talks? lol
"Sidi, if I were you, I would not count that much on NATO troops."
True, we just hope NATO deploys Romanian troops in Drenica and Turkish troops in Mitrovica. :)
Ahmet,the times are different now and Russia is in a much better position.
But let's forget Russia for now, how about the other NATO troops who are friendly to the Serbs? What are you going to do when they get deployed to the north? Do you think they will shoot the Serbs for you?
Russian interests are the same as Serbian now. There will be no more bombing of Serbia because China's embassy got bombed once and they will not have the guts to do it again especially when their people live there now.
You seem to be stuck in the past. Today is a new reality.
I find it amusing that he tries to imply that Serbia will send in the troops, but he doesn't have the guts to say so in public. I pray that Serbia makes such a move, because it will be the last move it ever makes. 16,000 NATO soldiers, 2500 of them American, will crush any thing resembling a Serb Army. But then again, they will not try something so dumb. These are just threats for public consumption.
Finally the reality is sinking in all over Belgrade.
To:bmrusila,
Tghere is no need for Albanians to even bother making plans to enter north by force. Reason being is that north os swarmed with UNMIK-P + KFOR soldiers. In addittion to many troops there another batalion of German contingent made up of 550 soldiers armed to the teeth are being stationed there and conducting raids on daily bases. You don't have a clue what is going on on north and what plans are in making and will be executed the minute serbia attempts to make any stupid move. We know that KPS SERBS,at least majority of them have been instructed to change uniforms, but there is a contingency plans to replace them on the spot and make immediate arrests as we go along.
Sidi,said > “16,000 NATO soldiers, 2500 of them American, will crush any thing resembling a Serb Army.”
I think not sir because Russian commandos will be certainly be deployed in the North of Kosovo should the Serbian army find it necessary to protect its citizens inside their own country and believe me Sidi NATO will not under any circumstance attack Russian troops. The US and EU will not start a major European war involving Europe’s only Super Power, “Russia” over you people. Quite simply you are not that important. Furthermore, don’t forget that the LAW is on Serbia’s side it will be impossible for the west to justify a war to its people against Serbia and Russia when the law clearly states that Serbia is in the right! Sidi you are way to smug in thinking you own the US and EU as a personal security force.
The same Russians who pulled out of Pristina airport? lol
Before they could be deployed anywhere, Russia's duma would have to approve this move AND, the UN would have to approve it too, AND so would the NATO command. lolol Not likely they'll go anywhere, as Chechens know if Russia moves west, they'll move on Russian forces in Grosni, Well, we all know how this game always ends up. Serbia losing more land.
Canadian: “…don’t forget that the LAW is on Serbia’s side…”
are you a lawyer ??? have you ever taken any exam in international law?? I just doubt in it..
and why are you signing as Canadian, do you want to say that you speak in the name of all Canadians? is your Canadian life more important that the kosovar one?
Well I would to tell my opinion. The Kosovo problem is going to be resolved early next year. The world is tired with Western Balkans problems. Therefore, Kosovo’s parliament after 10 December or the latest January next year will declare its independence. The Serbian political people they are aware of independence, but they can not tell the truth because they are involved in crime and corruption.
As per Russia they dream to become again the superpower like in the cold, but that’s only attempt anyway, and Serbian political leaders hoping on dead body like Russia to help them. Serbia in 1999 had the worst scenario because they never believed NATO will bomb, so it happened. Where Russia was then? please can anybody tell me!
Canadian I am willing to bet with you that if Serbia attempts to send troops the Russians will not come to your rescue.
You know why? Because they're not in Kosova/o anymore. If they were there then yes they would help you. However there are a lot of wrongs in the scenario of the Russians flying from Russia to fight the West. Only an ardent communist would really believe in such scenarios. Granted Putin is a dictator, yet he is not Stalin.
Kosova is de facto independent. It has been functioning as an Independent State since 8 years and very soon will be recognized de jure internationally. After that, drinks on us. Everything will be just fine. No one even dares to think about oppening another conflict in the Balkans. Serbian Army doesn't need to get worried about anything. They can stay in their barracks because they are the last thing that anyone needs around these days.
Peggy, do you mean when Russia rolled with tanks in Prishtina airport. In 2-3 days they did not have even water to drink. How soon do you forget that scenario? In the end they pulled out of Kosova completaly because Russia could not feed handful of soldiers.
Mr. Kostunica! Keep that way. Your government shows a lot of goodwill and flexibility in order to solve a crisis. K-Albanians didn't make any concession.
Improve relation with Russia and then request concession from Europe. Play Tito card.
And stay unaligned.
EU will beg you to become a member.
And with help of Russia and its petrodollars prepare a "banana, orange, velvet, etc" revolution in Kosovo.
If you will be able to even slightly improve a standard of living of peoples of Kosovo they will stop to call for its independence fro Serbia, they will stop to call it KOSOVA and they will be happy to be Serbia's citizens.
This is good. The plan must be made if the violence break out. Perhaps our Army has some information on Albanian plans. I am almost certain that Albanians are planning to enter North forcefully and thus our Army must be rady to react if necessary. They are also aware that NATO cannot be trusted.
Sidi, if I were you, I would not count that much on NATO troops. As from the past you may noticed that they never protected anyone else exept themselves without opposing any side.
Canadian NATO is UN sanctioned to protect kosovo. Russia has no intention of militarily intervening and risking a World War over Serbia. They have a master plan and Serbia is only a stepping stone. They actually want Kosovo to declare independence and then they will condemn it and at the same time create turmoil in the pro-western block of the former Soviet Union. They will recognize separatist declarations there and then the cards will be if the west recognizes theirs, Russia will recognize Kosovo. Putin is very smart and he is using Serbia to advance his agenda not yours.
"Sidi, if I were you, I would not count that much on NATO troops. As from the past you may noticed that they never protected anyone else exept themselves without opposing any side.
(bmrusila, 24 November 2007 16:24
Are you saying that the Kosovar Albanians should get ready to defend Northern Mitrovica if Serbs attack?
"Recognition that Serbian resolve is a monumental obstacle ..."
So much for Serbian resolve, it did nothing for the Krajina Serbs' trek home to Serbia or for the thousands of Serbs on tractors who fled in between JNA tanks back to Nis in 1999.
"I see a hint that the West might be preparing to betray them"
You mean like how the West is prepared to betray the canton of Srpska or Serbia's economy with their rejection at the EU talks? lol
"Sidi, if I were you, I would not count that much on NATO troops."
True, we just hope NATO deploys Romanian troops in Drenica and Turkish troops in Mitrovica. :)
To be honest, every nation in the Balkan region is very sceptical in any declaration of any plans from Serbian Army. It is their history of actions that make everyone follow closely their agenda, just in case someone decides to "play Milosevic" and start another war in the Balkans. If Serbian Army says it has plans about something, you should be sure that the neighbouring countries and the West have more than just plans in case something goes terribly wrong. Lets hope that guns are held by the right people this time.
Why Serbia has effectively be the winner over Kosovo since the beginning?
* The Russian veto matters.
* Russian resolve beyond the veto is not doubted.
* Other countries that are angered by the disregard for International law, e.g. China, have also astonished the West with the force of their opposition, privately at the UN.
* Serbian resolve to never concede Kosovo is acknowledged.
* Recognition that Serbian resolve is a monumental obstacle to Western foreign policy, for which there is no solution.
* The destabilizing effects of Kosovan independence on Bosnia are clear.
* The precedent set, causes too many complications for Israel / Palestine.
* There is no prospect of EU unity. Damaging splits will emerge intra EU, and between the EU and USA.
* It is increasingly obvious to more and more people that there was no Genocide in Kosovo, and there is no justification for indpendence.
* Public backlash is feared in NATO countries, especially if things go wrong.
* An official German report, reported in Der Spiegel, described that Kosovo was a basket-case of a 'nation' with little prospect to improve, and that it was effectively beyond help.
* NATO no longer trusts the Albanians as allies.
* NATO does not trust the Albanians not to embarass her, by razing Orthodox churches and the like.
* NATO powers have been angered by clumsy threats or bad diplomacy by the Albanians.
* NATO realises that Kosovan Albanian society has been distracted by dreams of independence, but that civil unrest or even civil war is near, and NATO does not want to be anywhere near when this happens. NATO wants to get out.
* Greater Albania looms.
* There is a growing movement in the USA by the likes of John Bolton and others, who acknowledge an irrational 17 year anti-Serb bias, and there is growing anger about the logic of foreign policy re the Balkans (this is certainly a new item on the list).
* Western security services have privately delivered inconvenient assessments to their governments, about actual or potential links between islamic extremism, and supposed allies in the Balkans.
* There is finally an acknowledgement by Western decision makers, that the Serbs were the best prospect for Kosovo, and that only the Serbs were mad enough to consider wanting to have Kosovo in their country, and were doing everybody a favour.
did I miss any?
From Serbia's point of view, the only urgency in getting Kosovo back, is the preservation of heritage sites, and the plight of the dispossessed minorities, many hunkered in the Mitrovica ghetto. From a tactical point of view, Serbia can sit back and pick its moment
The Kosovar Albanians have very few cards, and for the second time (through Simon's article), I see a hint that the West might be preparing to betray them. The first time was a story I only saw in the UK Independent about a month ago, where Germany's representative on Kosovo told reporters that the Albanians could forget about UDI independence.
Hehe, the NATO army in Kosovo is a peacekeeping force, not a personal bodyguard of the Kosovo Albanians. They will react just as stringently against any Kosovo Albanians that unlawfully attack Serbs in Northern Kosovo. Let's hope neither side do anything rash and hope for peace, rather.
Canadian
I don't think Russia will react to this Canadian, Kosovo is in NATO's sphere of influence and Russia wouldn't intrude on it. Same way NATO did not intervene when Russia sent in troops to Chechnya, NATO did nothing (even when Grozny was leveled), because it's in Russia's sphere of influence. NATO and Russia are both too strong and will not go to war with each other.
once again, we can read some macho-phrases from our albanian friends...
don´t worry, nothing will happen if the Albanians stay calm. otherwise, they will unfortunately learn that not everything their yellow-press is telling them is true...
the Serbs are highly motivated, trained and equipped.
that should be answer enough, I think.
let´s hope the fanatics do not provoke any trouble, albeit I think that it would be in their interest to act aggressively. but I also think that this could backfire.
well, let´s see.
Ahmet who are you? top pretending you have anything to do with Kosovo or are even from Kosovo.
KFOR can do nothing to stop the Serbs in the north from partitioning and leaving you in your dump.
The Serbian army can handle anything the NATO threw out it which is why they never had the guts to face us on the ground. Besides the Army has underwent mass modernization and reorganization since 2000.
If the ANA/KLA start to attack Serbs...again, you can bet your dollars that the VS will crush them to dust and rightfully so.
Don't talk about stupid moves your "government" seems to be making them on a daily basis. KFOR does not care about you so get that through your head, one by one the countries will start to pull out their troops as you start to escalate the situation. And then you will be left high and dry to sit in your mess alone.
"The same Russians who pulled out of Pristina airport? lol
Before they could be deployed anywhere, Russia's duma would have to approve this move AND, the UN would have to approve it too, AND so would the NATO command. lolol Not likely they'll go anywhere, as Chechens know if Russia moves west, they'll move on Russian forces in Grosni, Well, we all know how this game always ends up. Serbia losing more land.
(Lani, 24 November 2007 18:00)"
Permit me to correct you:
1) Russia could bypass the UN the same way they did with Chechnya and the same way the US did with the UN. Superpowers do that often.
2) They don't need permission from NATO to do anything. Same way as NATO does not need permission from Russia to do anything. They are not authorities over each other. Russia did nothing in Kosovo, NATO did nothing in Chechnya.
3) Chechnya is neutralized, Shamil Basayev is dead, Aslan Maskhadov is dead, the Ichkeria regime is small and poorly led, the government and most of the population is pro-Moscow and there is no more war, aside from sporadic attacks every so often.
Lani, Did Russians need NATO permission when they rolled their tanks in Sarajevo airport? No. They just did it. When something is important to Russia they will do whatever they want.
I don't think NATO will want to go to war with Russia any more than Russia wants to go to war with NATO. So it will just happen.
Don't forget there are other troops friendly to Serbs in Kosovo. They too can be deployed to the North. What are you going to do about that?
Serbs are not prey for you to start picking off one by one. You will never terrorise them again. More countries are seeing the error of they ways and finding it harder to justify their actions to the own people.
These are different times now. 1999 is well and truly gone.
"Sidi, if I were you, I would not count that much on NATO troops. As from the past you may noticed that they never protected anyone else exept themselves without opposing any side.
(bmrusila, 24 November 2007 16:24
Are you saying that the Kosovar Albanians should get ready to defend Northern Mitrovica if Serbs attack?
(EA,
No, this mean if Albanians try to enter North forcefully and NATO fail to protect Serbs then Serbian Army would take measures. All I am saying that NATO will not react to protect Albanians nor Serbs but would just supervize the clashes between Serbian Army and armed Albanians. This has happened many times in previous wars in Croatia and Bosnia. They never protected anyone. NATO soldiers wont risk thier lives. Clear now? Serbian Defence Ministry was clear when saying that they wont take any military measures after proclamation of independence but they will react if NATO do not provide protection for Serbian minority. And as said before I am almost certain that Albanians will try to enter North in order to gain some control over the North. In that case Serbs have full support to defend themselves and their teritory since they also have right on ethnical selfdetermiantion and clearly they do not want Albanians to rule over their lives.
as long as I see our dear albanian friends desperately trying to interprete everything they read in a way that suits them..... I know that they are desperate, and that the situation is okay.
no need for any fear, who starts trouble will get even more of it.
and UNMIK, KFOR and so on...they all are bound to UNSC 1244.
don´t fool yourself to believe, what your papers are telling them... keep in mind..they are mafia-infested, too. ( isn´t Surroj the owner of Koha Ditore? )
Hey folks how about we make a deal and avoid all this.
Personally I don't see Russians coming to Serbia's aid. However, this is not the 1990's , and I don't see NATO attacking Serbia either. The only way I see the Serbian army coming into Kosovo is if the Albanians start a killing rampage on Serbian enclaves, which might provoke some kind of response. In any case, given past history the Serbs should be on alert.
Although NATO would fully deploy to stop Serbia from taking control of Kosovo by force, Albanians should remember that NATO stood by and let Serbian forces clean house when Albanian terrorists started trouble in Presevo and Bujanovac a few years ago. Moreover, relations between NATO and the Serbian military has evan improved since then.
Kosovar - Serbs are a minority in Kosova.
(KS, 24 November 2007 20:01)"
KS...you still don´t get it?
K-albanians are the minority...within Serbia!
I know, you don´t like that...but you will overcome your frustration.
by the way...are you still counting days?
what will you count, if the do not declare "independence" on december 11th?
Ahmet,the times are different now and Russia is in a much better position.
But let's forget Russia for now, how about the other NATO troops who are friendly to the Serbs? What are you going to do when they get deployed to the north? Do you think they will shoot the Serbs for you?
Russian interests are the same as Serbian now. There will be no more bombing of Serbia because China's embassy got bombed once and they will not have the guts to do it again especially when their people live there now.
You seem to be stuck in the past. Today is a new reality.
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