Srebrenica Seven: Contradictory testimonies

"Indiscreminat Execution of tens of thousands of unarmed, captured civilians."

This statement by Toni from the UK is quite simply nothing short of breathtaking and amazing. Exactly where is the concrete documented forensic evidence in the above article that there was "...Execution of tens of thousands of unarmed, captured civilians." ?!

Ever heard of the US legal term "Habeus Corpus"? It is Latin for "You MUST have the body". One is innocent until PROVED guilty (in a criminal murder case it means you must have supporting documented forensic evidence and not just an accusation of the crime and the JURY (not the prosecutor) must decide whether you are proved guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT)

I don't see any documented forensic evidence whatsoever supplied in the article above that would lend support to such an outlandish charge as "...Execution of tens of thousands of unarmed, captured civilians" by Bosnian Serb forces. What is the relevance of such an outrageous statement by ToniUK to the above article?

Also, where is your moral outcry about the very well documented evidence of over 3,300 to 3,800 unarmed civilians massacred with iron bars, axes, knives, sledehammers, flamethrowers, etc., over a three year period in Srebrenica and its surrounding villages by Bosnian muslim forces commanded by Naser Oric? Oh yes, sorry I forgot the victims were merely the demonized Serbs so it doesn't count, right?

Like reading pages from a horror book.
Absolutely crazy. Bearing in mind this happened in the herat fo Europ. This happened only few years ago, and most of us seem to have forgotten already.
Indiscreminat Execution of tens of thousands of unarmed, captured civilians.
One would have though, the living would have learned a lesson, but it seems not.

Breathtaking and amazing, Peter, is the fact that you berate someone over lack of concrete documented forensic evidence and proof beyond a reasonable doubt before you yourself claim "very well documented evidence of over 3,300 to 3,800 unarmed civilians massacred... by Bosnian muslim forces commanded by Naser Oric".

Clearly Toni is mistaken in claiming that 'tens of thousands of unarmed, captured civilians' died during the Srebrenica genocide, the commonly trusted figure is of course less than ten thousand. Otherwise all of Toni's sentiments are natural and understandable.

Serb victims from 1992-1995 in the Srebrenica area do 'count' even if they amount to far, far less than the numbers supplied by you.

Unless you are able to send me CREDIBLE evidence to the contrary.

Peter Robet North

Yes, tens of thousands civilians were killed in BiH during the ware.
Yes, this is well documented (civilians of all ages exhumed blindefolded etc)
And I was not talking only about viktims in Srebrenica, and it was you who added "by serbian armed forces", frankly I will not dispute that.
However, to me victims of all nationalities were unecessary and criminal.

Alexander James writes:

"Breathtaking and amazing, Peter, is the fact that you berate someone over lack of concrete documented forensic evidence and proof beyond a reasonable doubt before you yourself claim "very well documented evidence of over 3,300 to 3,800 unarmed civilians massacred... by Bosnian muslim forces commanded by Naser Oric"

Well no, Mr. James. Breathtaking and amazing is the fact that you imply that there is no such evidence or dismiss it as not being "credible", when in actual fact there is plenty of hard documented evidence (most importantly: photographs of the Serbian victims in Srebrenica (See the photos at http://www.real-srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com) with accompanying names of individuals,birth dates,addresses, eyewitness testimony, statements from relatives, municipal death certificates, data on cemetery plots, and priests' diaries, the actual dates when they were murdered, how they were murdered and most importantly, by whom: including the names of the Bosnian muslim perpetrators under Naser Oric's command).

Oric even boasted about his brutal mass murders of civilian Serbs (decapitating heads, burning people alive, bludgeoning, knifing, axing, etc.) to reporters from the Washington Post & Toronto Star: he even showed them his gruesome home video recordings of his mass murders whilst smiling throughout! See the press reports at: http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/oric.htm


These reports, with accompanying documentation, were painstakingly prepared and submitted to the UN Security Council, to the EU Office of the High Representative and to The Hague ICTY but were hardly - if ever -publicized by the Western corporate controlled media as this would not fit in with their biased anti-Serbian reporting, i.e., following the official party-line 'diktat' emanating from Washington and Brussels. Of course the entire edifice of NATO lies over Srebrenica would fall apart if Oric's genocide was reported including the fact that Izetbegovic imported tens of thousands of murderous Islamofascist "mujaheddin warriors" from Afghanistan, Pakistan & Saudi Arabia into Bosnia-Herzegovina, beginning as early as1992. Izetbegovic even had the brazen audacity to name his 6,000 plus strong personal praetorian bodyguards in Sarajevo the "Handzar Division" after the name of the notorious genocidal Bosnian Muslim Nazi 13th Waffen SS unit under German command in WW2 who brutally murdered tens of thousands of Bosnian Serbs, Jews & Gypsies in 1943.

See the official United Nations documents: A/48/177, S/25835 and A/47/813, S/24991 describing the hideous murders and rapes of Serbian civilians in and around Srebrenica, Bratunac,Skelani and adjoining villages & towns - available at:

http://www.tenc.net/sreb/mem.htm
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/docs/UN-1993-1.pdf

The UN document A/47/813, S/24991 on rape by Bosnian Muslim & Croat forces in
Bosnia in 1992 can be read at: http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/rapes/raped-serbs.html

In the case of the EU OHR office led for several years by former British politician Paddy Ashdown, whose neo-colonial style power enabled him to sack any ELECTED government official in Bosnia if they refused to follow his orders, the report documenting the thousands of Serbs murdered by Naser Oric was deliberately suppressed and banned by Ashdown.

It gets worse: the Bosnian Serbian government of "Republika Srpska" was even FORCED by Ashdown to make a bogus "confession" and a new Ashdown approved-report admitting to the official Izetbegovic Islamist government version of events was submitted to the public instead. See the report of what Ashdown did in the Washington-based International Strategic Studies Association article: "US Official Implicated With Bosnian High Representative Ashdown in Attempting to Force Fabricated Report on Srebrenica" at: http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep0803.htm

Mr. James, you also state:

"Serb victims from 1992-1995 in the Srebrenica area do 'count' EVEN IF THEY AMOUNT TO FAR,FAR LESS NUMBERS than the numbers supplied by you."

Oh really Mr. James? "far, far less numbers" of Serbs were murdered in Srebrenica you say. How on earth could you possibly come to such a definitive conclusion without supporting exculpatory evidence? Either you haven't even bothered to read the UN documentation or you dismiss it entirely out of hand as not being "credible" because the reports do not have the stamp of approval by Washington & Brussels, i.e., NATO governments?

Naser Oric's troops in Srebrenica and other forces under Izetbegovic's command in Gorazde committed genocide against the Serbian population in these towns and adjoining villages from early 1992 to mid 1995. This has been documented in the UN Security Council reports I referred to above. 3,227 names of murdered Serbs were collected in the Srebrenica municipality alone. Whilst hundreds of Serbs were also murdered by Izetbegovic's troops in Gorazde. See the Associated Press report at: http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/gorazde.htm


The fact that these heavily documented reports - submitted to the UN Security Council as official UN documents - do in fact exist, whilst you dismiss them as somehow not being "credible" because they document Serbian victims instead of Muslim ones, shows your inherent anti-Serbian prejudice, bigotry and bias, Mr.James.

ToniUK, you write:

"Yes, tens of thousands civilians were killed in BiH during the war."

The article you are commenting on above is clearly about Bosnian Serbs as being the perpetrators in Srebrenica, since nothing is mentioned about the mass murders of Serbian civilians in Srebrenica and its adjoining villages from early 1992 to mid 1995 by forces loyal to Naser Oric.

You also had absolutely nothing to say in your first comment about Naser Oric's genocide against Serbian men,women & children from early 1992 onwards which occurred years before the takeover of Srebrenica by Bosnian Serbs in July 1995.

You were very clearly IMPLYING that the Serbs executed "tens of thousands of unarmed civilians" meaning of course, Muslims in Srebrenica, since it is abundantly clear that the article is about the trial of Bosnian Serbs committing executions of Muslim men at Srebrenica.

You then go on to say:

"Yes, this is well documented (civilians of all ages exhumed blindefolded etc)"

Again you are very clearly IMPLYING that it was the Bosnian Serbs who were guilty of such crimes in Srebrenica since yet again you refuse to acknowledge Naser Oric's PRIOR genocide of Serbs starting in April 1992. You then turn it all around by saying:

"...and it was you who added "by serbian armed forces", frankly I will not dispute that."

Again your atatement above confirms your anti-Serbian bias by now twisting what I wrote to make it sound like it was I instead of you whom was accusing the Bosnian Serbs of executing "tens of thousands of unarmed civilians" in Srebrenica.

A very neat & clever propaganda trick by you, ToniUK.

I would be interested to know if anybody is denying that the primary genocide at Srebrenica was of approxiamately 3,800 Serb civilians in outlying villages? Is it denied that this happened? If so we can debate the evidence for it. If not then surely, at the very least, the fact that this genocide is not reported by the western media or prosecuted by the western funded court must cast considerable doubt on everything else they claim.

"Indiscreminat Execution of tens of thousands of unarmed, captured civilians."

This statement by Toni from the UK is quite simply nothing short of breathtaking and amazing. Exactly where is the concrete documented forensic evidence in the above article that there was "...Execution of tens of thousands of unarmed, captured civilians." ?!

Ever heard of the US legal term "Habeus Corpus"? It is Latin for "You MUST have the body". One is innocent until PROVED guilty (in a criminal murder case it means you must have supporting documented forensic evidence and not just an accusation of the crime and the JURY (not the prosecutor) must decide whether you are proved guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT)

I don't see any documented forensic evidence whatsoever supplied in the article above that would lend support to such an outlandish charge as "...Execution of tens of thousands of unarmed, captured civilians" by Bosnian Serb forces. What is the relevance of such an outrageous statement by ToniUK to the above article?

Also, where is your moral outcry about the very well documented evidence of over 3,300 to 3,800 unarmed civilians massacred with iron bars, axes, knives, sledehammers, flamethrowers, etc., over a three year period in Srebrenica and its surrounding villages by Bosnian muslim forces commanded by Naser Oric? Oh yes, sorry I forgot the victims were merely the demonized Serbs so it doesn't count, right?

Like reading pages from a horror book.
Absolutely crazy. Bearing in mind this happened in the herat fo Europ. This happened only few years ago, and most of us seem to have forgotten already.
Indiscreminat Execution of tens of thousands of unarmed, captured civilians.
One would have though, the living would have learned a lesson, but it seems not.

Breathtaking and amazing, Peter, is the fact that you berate someone over lack of concrete documented forensic evidence and proof beyond a reasonable doubt before you yourself claim "very well documented evidence of over 3,300 to 3,800 unarmed civilians massacred... by Bosnian muslim forces commanded by Naser Oric".

Clearly Toni is mistaken in claiming that 'tens of thousands of unarmed, captured civilians' died during the Srebrenica genocide, the commonly trusted figure is of course less than ten thousand. Otherwise all of Toni's sentiments are natural and understandable.

Serb victims from 1992-1995 in the Srebrenica area do 'count' even if they amount to far, far less than the numbers supplied by you.

Unless you are able to send me CREDIBLE evidence to the contrary.

Peter Robet North

Yes, tens of thousands civilians were killed in BiH during the ware.
Yes, this is well documented (civilians of all ages exhumed blindefolded etc)
And I was not talking only about viktims in Srebrenica, and it was you who added "by serbian armed forces", frankly I will not dispute that.
However, to me victims of all nationalities were unecessary and criminal.

Alexander James writes:

"Breathtaking and amazing, Peter, is the fact that you berate someone over lack of concrete documented forensic evidence and proof beyond a reasonable doubt before you yourself claim "very well documented evidence of over 3,300 to 3,800 unarmed civilians massacred... by Bosnian muslim forces commanded by Naser Oric"

Well no, Mr. James. Breathtaking and amazing is the fact that you imply that there is no such evidence or dismiss it as not being "credible", when in actual fact there is plenty of hard documented evidence (most importantly: photographs of the Serbian victims in Srebrenica (See the photos at http://www.real-srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com) with accompanying names of individuals,birth dates,addresses, eyewitness testimony, statements from relatives, municipal death certificates, data on cemetery plots, and priests' diaries, the actual dates when they were murdered, how they were murdered and most importantly, by whom: including the names of the Bosnian muslim perpetrators under Naser Oric's command).

Oric even boasted about his brutal mass murders of civilian Serbs (decapitating heads, burning people alive, bludgeoning, knifing, axing, etc.) to reporters from the Washington Post & Toronto Star: he even showed them his gruesome home video recordings of his mass murders whilst smiling throughout! See the press reports at: http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/oric.htm


These reports, with accompanying documentation, were painstakingly prepared and submitted to the UN Security Council, to the EU Office of the High Representative and to The Hague ICTY but were hardly - if ever -publicized by the Western corporate controlled media as this would not fit in with their biased anti-Serbian reporting, i.e., following the official party-line 'diktat' emanating from Washington and Brussels. Of course the entire edifice of NATO lies over Srebrenica would fall apart if Oric's genocide was reported including the fact that Izetbegovic imported tens of thousands of murderous Islamofascist "mujaheddin warriors" from Afghanistan, Pakistan & Saudi Arabia into Bosnia-Herzegovina, beginning as early as1992. Izetbegovic even had the brazen audacity to name his 6,000 plus strong personal praetorian bodyguards in Sarajevo the "Handzar Division" after the name of the notorious genocidal Bosnian Muslim Nazi 13th Waffen SS unit under German command in WW2 who brutally murdered tens of thousands of Bosnian Serbs, Jews & Gypsies in 1943.

See the official United Nations documents: A/48/177, S/25835 and A/47/813, S/24991 describing the hideous murders and rapes of Serbian civilians in and around Srebrenica, Bratunac,Skelani and adjoining villages & towns - available at:

http://www.tenc.net/sreb/mem.htm
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/docs/UN-1993-1.pdf

The UN document A/47/813, S/24991 on rape by Bosnian Muslim & Croat forces in
Bosnia in 1992 can be read at: http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/rapes/raped-serbs.html

In the case of the EU OHR office led for several years by former British politician Paddy Ashdown, whose neo-colonial style power enabled him to sack any ELECTED government official in Bosnia if they refused to follow his orders, the report documenting the thousands of Serbs murdered by Naser Oric was deliberately suppressed and banned by Ashdown.

It gets worse: the Bosnian Serbian government of "Republika Srpska" was even FORCED by Ashdown to make a bogus "confession" and a new Ashdown approved-report admitting to the official Izetbegovic Islamist government version of events was submitted to the public instead. See the report of what Ashdown did in the Washington-based International Strategic Studies Association article: "US Official Implicated With Bosnian High Representative Ashdown in Attempting to Force Fabricated Report on Srebrenica" at: http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep0803.htm

Mr. James, you also state:

"Serb victims from 1992-1995 in the Srebrenica area do 'count' EVEN IF THEY AMOUNT TO FAR,FAR LESS NUMBERS than the numbers supplied by you."

Oh really Mr. James? "far, far less numbers" of Serbs were murdered in Srebrenica you say. How on earth could you possibly come to such a definitive conclusion without supporting exculpatory evidence? Either you haven't even bothered to read the UN documentation or you dismiss it entirely out of hand as not being "credible" because the reports do not have the stamp of approval by Washington & Brussels, i.e., NATO governments?

Naser Oric's troops in Srebrenica and other forces under Izetbegovic's command in Gorazde committed genocide against the Serbian population in these towns and adjoining villages from early 1992 to mid 1995. This has been documented in the UN Security Council reports I referred to above. 3,227 names of murdered Serbs were collected in the Srebrenica municipality alone. Whilst hundreds of Serbs were also murdered by Izetbegovic's troops in Gorazde. See the Associated Press report at: http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/gorazde.htm


The fact that these heavily documented reports - submitted to the UN Security Council as official UN documents - do in fact exist, whilst you dismiss them as somehow not being "credible" because they document Serbian victims instead of Muslim ones, shows your inherent anti-Serbian prejudice, bigotry and bias, Mr.James.

ToniUK, you write:

"Yes, tens of thousands civilians were killed in BiH during the war."

The article you are commenting on above is clearly about Bosnian Serbs as being the perpetrators in Srebrenica, since nothing is mentioned about the mass murders of Serbian civilians in Srebrenica and its adjoining villages from early 1992 to mid 1995 by forces loyal to Naser Oric.

You also had absolutely nothing to say in your first comment about Naser Oric's genocide against Serbian men,women & children from early 1992 onwards which occurred years before the takeover of Srebrenica by Bosnian Serbs in July 1995.

You were very clearly IMPLYING that the Serbs executed "tens of thousands of unarmed civilians" meaning of course, Muslims in Srebrenica, since it is abundantly clear that the article is about the trial of Bosnian Serbs committing executions of Muslim men at Srebrenica.

You then go on to say:

"Yes, this is well documented (civilians of all ages exhumed blindefolded etc)"

Again you are very clearly IMPLYING that it was the Bosnian Serbs who were guilty of such crimes in Srebrenica since yet again you refuse to acknowledge Naser Oric's PRIOR genocide of Serbs starting in April 1992. You then turn it all around by saying:

"...and it was you who added "by serbian armed forces", frankly I will not dispute that."

Again your atatement above confirms your anti-Serbian bias by now twisting what I wrote to make it sound like it was I instead of you whom was accusing the Bosnian Serbs of executing "tens of thousands of unarmed civilians" in Srebrenica.

A very neat & clever propaganda trick by you, ToniUK.

I would be interested to know if anybody is denying that the primary genocide at Srebrenica was of approxiamately 3,800 Serb civilians in outlying villages? Is it denied that this happened? If so we can debate the evidence for it. If not then surely, at the very least, the fact that this genocide is not reported by the western media or prosecuted by the western funded court must cast considerable doubt on everything else they claim.