Bodies of Serbs, non-Albanians taken over

What to say? Serbs were just running defending war against Albanians. They were just trying to prevent this kinds of cowardly actions by Albanians. This murders took place in 1999 and how many of the murders took place previous years prior to NATO bombing. How many murders took place after NATO arrival? Where are all these bodies? Albanians should remember that Serbia was running defending war becuse its citizens' lives were jeopardized, it was nothing more but the actions taken by the Army to protect the citizens.

"How could NATO protect the Serbs against over a million of Kosovars who have been brutalized for a decade?"

I must say that there is seldom a time that I am not taken back by some of the illogical and inappropriate comments posted on this site and the above comment falls into this category.

Your question, Essalam, does not deserve a response.

Even though 3 times more kosovar bodies were returned by Serbia to Kosovo. Serbia is still holding over 2000 bodies of kosavars.
Families want their kids, mothers, farthers, sisters and brothers bodies back.
Why delay the return of their bodies.Give those poor families a chance to grieve, a grave to visite.
Why delay the rereconciliation.
On whos intereest is to keep tensions high?
My guess would be in the interesst of politicians on all sides of the border, so they can keep their job. So poor people have to focuse ellse where and not scrutinise their politicians.

"432 persons kidnapped in Kosovo following the arrival of KFOR on June 10, 1999. "

- NATO are jointly responsible for these deaths just as much as the leaders of the KLA terrorists - Ceku and Thaci. NATO supposedly killed 1500 in their air war for "humanitarian" [sic] reasons and then under their guard allowed the KLA to slaughter hundreds more. It is now well documented that Serbian security forces were not the main protagonists;

"The death toll in Kosovo was in the hundreds before the start of the bombing campaign. It was around 5,000 by the end. Not quite the "genocide" that some people claimed, incidentally, but not a good precedent either......Tony Blair says that we "reversed ethnic cleansing" there, but I would not count the expulsion of over 100,000 Serbs and Roma from a province guarded by 40,000 Nato troops as a success."
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/take_two/2007/04/oliver_kamm_v_conor_foley.html

Moreover, a few "truthseekers" were only too aware of the reality that NATO was far from humanitarian but was in fact responsible for thousands of deaths;

"Thousands of men, women and children, including those Kosovars NATO was claiming to 'save', would now be alive were it not for the post-cold-war machinations of American power, egged on by Blair, [defence minister] Robertson and Cook with their few ageing Harrier aircraft and squadrons of propagandists." (Pilger, 'Nothing in my 30 years of reporting wars compares with the present propaganda dressed as journalism,' New Statesman, July 12, 1999)"
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/05/050822_the_dark_heart_of_robin_cook.php

“I think what NATO did by bombing Serbia actually
precipitated the exodus of the Kosovo Albanians into
Macedonia and Montenegro. I think the bombing did cause
the ethnic cleansing… NATO’s action in Kosovo was
mistaken... what we did made things much worse.”
Lord Carrington (UK Foreign Secretary 1979-82,
Secretary General of NATO 1984-88, Chairman
European Conference on Yugoslavia 1990-92), SAGA Magazine, September 1999.

Maybe Serbia need not send troops into its province for the time being but any "dumya" move can be counternanced within UN resolution 1244 in protecting Serbia's citizens and maybe other troops too - 12th December is a hint!

Of course come the 11th Decemeber we will hear of a new movable deadline - Dec 20008 perhaps ?

The reaility is that Uncle Sam never could deliever on a false promise and surely it is time that those who dream of a benevolent Uncle Sam woke up to the truth and accepted the Serbian State they are in - hundreds of thousands have in obtaining their "Serbian" passport is it not time the few vocal posters followed the lead of the many and stopped believing in false promises?

"Even though 3 times more kosovar bodies were returned by Serbia to Kosovo. Serbia is still holding over 2000 bodies of kosavars."

Absolute nonsense and a physical impossibility. Here's why: AFTER NATO's 78 day bombing campaign against Serbia, there were a grand total of 2,788 bodies exhumed by Western forensic scientists in Kosovo after well over an entire year of forensic investigations undertaken by NATO governments.

NATO governments stated BEFORE the bombing campaign commenced that there were 2,000 people killed on ALL sides (ie both military & civilian, Albanian & Serbian deaths) in Kosovo.

Which now leaves us with 788 people killed on ALL sides (both military deaths & civilian Albanian & Serbian deaths) during the 78 day bombing campaign according to NATO's very own figures.

The 2,788 bodies exhumed after over a year of forensic investigations by NATO included not only Albanian civilians, but also Serbian civilians, KLA combat deaths, Yugoslav army combat deaths, Serbian and Albanian NATO-bomb victims and Serbian and Albanian KLA victims.

This means that only a much smaller fraction of the 788 bodies can be Albanian civilians alone (whom you refer to as "kosovars") since it is even admitted by NATO themselves that their bombs alone killed several hundred civilians in Kosovo: both Albanian and Serbian.

http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/freezer1.htm

So ToniUK, who exactly are these "kosovars" that you are referring to? Are you talking about the members of the terrorist KLA killed in battle with the Yugoslav army or ordinary Albanian civilians murdered by the terrorist KLA for being "pro-Serb" or in other words, refusing to collaborate with the KLA?

«NATO are jointly responsible for these deaths just as much as the leaders of the KLA terrorists »

How could NATO protect the Serbs against over a million of Kosovars who have been brutalized for a decade?

Coud you explain this, Princip?

"How could NATO protect the Serbs against over a million of Kosovars who have been brutalized for a decade?"
Essalam,

What brutality are you talking about? You mean the one which Serbs have been ethnically clensed from their homes by albans?

How can anyone kidnap innocent people and just kill them? what gives albanians the right to do that? this shows you what kind of people they are.

Did Serbs kidnap albans in order to kill them? NO! Serbs don't do these kinds of cowardly actions.

To the Serbian Albanian posters,

you have been fed lies and miss-information to the point where you no longer know fact from fiction.

The reality is that in total less then 5000 http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/take_two/2007/04/oliver_kamm_v_conor_foley.html (1 is too many for me) in the tragedy that is the Attack against Serbia by a western inspired seccionist Terrorist few ethnic Albanians. Note that this includes also those killed by the KLA, NATO, military, civilian and Terrostists alike int total.

Germany's BND and the US's CIA were heavily involved in the training and arming of the terrorist attack against the State.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BEH502A.html

You'll be sad to know since the KLA attacked the German toops in FYR Makedonia the Germans have heavily distanced themselves from the US - realising the danger they helped create.

Know wonder Ischinger the German EU representative on the Troika suggested

"The label is worth nothing. Where are they going to get their income from? They would continue to rely on foreign aid."
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2973548.ece

But you continue believing in false promises and dream up another movable deadline - Dec 20008 perhaps!

Princip and BMRusila, your comments re Srebrenica Seven are grately missing!
Judging from your previous posters,it wouldn't surprise me if you would be on executers side once again.
I'm amazed!
One of my posters was not published, whre Serbia was analised how well they would fit in the family of Civilised Countries yer 2007. I bet this one will not be published either.
As an indipendent person I have to say, that B92 impartiality can be discussed.

“Serbia is still holding over 2000 bodies of kosavars. Families want their kids, mothers, farthers, sisters and brothers bodies back. (ToniUK, 24 November 2007 11:08)”

Toni, I suggest you use facts and reason, not unsubstantiated emotional reactions.

“According to the record of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRS), officially acknowledged by Priština and Belgrade, the fate of 2,087 persons, including 1,300 Albanians, 500 Serbs and 200 members of other minorities, who went missing in Kosovo in 1998-1999, is still unaccounted for.”

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=04&dd=27&nav_category=102&nav_id=40930

Does it not bother you that fully 35.5% of the missing are non-Albanians mostly Serbs and Serbian speaking Roma? The ratio of Serb victims to Albanian victims was 10 to 1, mirroring the population exactly. Yet fully a third of those still missing are victims of Albanian crimes.

You blame Serbia for the high number of those still missing, when in fact, clearly the opposite is true. I guess Serbian victims don’t count or something?

The problem is, this is not an issue of Black & White Good Guys and Bad Guys. Both sides have clearly committed horrible deeds to one another and it goes back a long time. Trying to assign “blame” or who did what first, or any other justification for the crimes committed by a particulars ethnic side, is simply shameful. All crimes need to be condemned, and all innocent victims need justice. Portraying everything as completely one-sided will only result in long term instability and continued animosity.

I for one feel great shame for what innocent Albanians suffered in Kosovo. However, I do not forget our people were victims too. It is NOT my place to DEMAND an apology in return. All I can do is acknowledge the suffering of others, and hope that those can hear, will, and as a result see our victims as real people too.

The reality is we’re so divided against one another, we’ve lost the big picture. What kind of Europe do we want to build together? One where we are bitterly divided, where only the interests of the big western economic powers have any weight? Or one where we all participate in the decision making process and all sides of an argument are heard without prejudice?

What we decide and how we decide it will determine the future of how the EU will function.

Peter Robert North,

So there are no 10 000 Albanians killed by Serbs? I ask this becuse Albanians claim some 10 000 victims of Albanian nationality.

i have to say that it is a Sickening Spectacle, of the many spectacles highlighted in these web pages, to see people trying to make hay over all of these bodies. to say it is disrespectful of the dead (from all groups)is merely to state the obvious. clearly, terible crimes were committed by people of all ethnicities, but that will NEver wash away the guilt of serbia during the 90s, nor hide all of the mass graves on serbian "proper" soil. a great shame on serbia for these horrors, and on all who have perpetuated these crimes. and yet, judging by these postings, there is little remorse. and you expect the ethnic albanians in kosovo/a to live under serb dominaton?? just so utterly irrational not to mention immoral.

Princip as usually you pick and chose blogs/commentaries that support your propaganda. Please stop supporting your propaganda with those conspiracy liberal nuts. You don’t make your arguments any stronger. Credibility is the deciding factor if article is a fiction or a fact.

Usually the same people who commited masacres are the ones who try to downplay the numbers afterwards. Think befor you speak, this should be a motto for everyone.

Robert: I don't want anyone to get dominated by anyone. I'm sorry that's your idea of how a national minority should exist within a state. It also makes me wonder what you have in store for minority Serbs.

If NATO were unwilling to prevent "revenge" of a "million Albanians" perhaps they should not have signed an occuption agreement guaranteeing to do so (also guaranteeing to respect Yugoslav sovereignty & of course to disarm our KLA terrorist friends). The fact is that thousands of instances of genocide took place under NATO rule - probably the worst being the Dragodan massacre where the KLA buried 210 people in a mass grave which officially is not a mass grave but "210 separate graves in the same place"(UK minister Dennis McShane). Had Milosevic allowed anything like that I think it would have been proper to bring him to trial.

What to say? Serbs were just running defending war against Albanians. They were just trying to prevent this kinds of cowardly actions by Albanians. This murders took place in 1999 and how many of the murders took place previous years prior to NATO bombing. How many murders took place after NATO arrival? Where are all these bodies? Albanians should remember that Serbia was running defending war becuse its citizens' lives were jeopardized, it was nothing more but the actions taken by the Army to protect the citizens.

Princip and BMRusila, your comments re Srebrenica Seven are grately missing!
Judging from your previous posters,it wouldn't surprise me if you would be on executers side once again.
I'm amazed!
One of my posters was not published, whre Serbia was analised how well they would fit in the family of Civilised Countries yer 2007. I bet this one will not be published either.
As an indipendent person I have to say, that B92 impartiality can be discussed.

«NATO are jointly responsible for these deaths just as much as the leaders of the KLA terrorists »

How could NATO protect the Serbs against over a million of Kosovars who have been brutalized for a decade?

Coud you explain this, Princip?

Even though 3 times more kosovar bodies were returned by Serbia to Kosovo. Serbia is still holding over 2000 bodies of kosavars.
Families want their kids, mothers, farthers, sisters and brothers bodies back.
Why delay the return of their bodies.Give those poor families a chance to grieve, a grave to visite.
Why delay the rereconciliation.
On whos intereest is to keep tensions high?
My guess would be in the interesst of politicians on all sides of the border, so they can keep their job. So poor people have to focuse ellse where and not scrutinise their politicians.

Princip as usually you pick and chose blogs/commentaries that support your propaganda. Please stop supporting your propaganda with those conspiracy liberal nuts. You don’t make your arguments any stronger. Credibility is the deciding factor if article is a fiction or a fact.

Usually the same people who commited masacres are the ones who try to downplay the numbers afterwards. Think befor you speak, this should be a motto for everyone.

"432 persons kidnapped in Kosovo following the arrival of KFOR on June 10, 1999. "

- NATO are jointly responsible for these deaths just as much as the leaders of the KLA terrorists - Ceku and Thaci. NATO supposedly killed 1500 in their air war for "humanitarian" [sic] reasons and then under their guard allowed the KLA to slaughter hundreds more. It is now well documented that Serbian security forces were not the main protagonists;

"The death toll in Kosovo was in the hundreds before the start of the bombing campaign. It was around 5,000 by the end. Not quite the "genocide" that some people claimed, incidentally, but not a good precedent either......Tony Blair says that we "reversed ethnic cleansing" there, but I would not count the expulsion of over 100,000 Serbs and Roma from a province guarded by 40,000 Nato troops as a success."
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/take_two/2007/04/oliver_kamm_v_conor_foley.html

Moreover, a few "truthseekers" were only too aware of the reality that NATO was far from humanitarian but was in fact responsible for thousands of deaths;

"Thousands of men, women and children, including those Kosovars NATO was claiming to 'save', would now be alive were it not for the post-cold-war machinations of American power, egged on by Blair, [defence minister] Robertson and Cook with their few ageing Harrier aircraft and squadrons of propagandists." (Pilger, 'Nothing in my 30 years of reporting wars compares with the present propaganda dressed as journalism,' New Statesman, July 12, 1999)"
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/05/050822_the_dark_heart_of_robin_cook.php

“I think what NATO did by bombing Serbia actually
precipitated the exodus of the Kosovo Albanians into
Macedonia and Montenegro. I think the bombing did cause
the ethnic cleansing… NATO’s action in Kosovo was
mistaken... what we did made things much worse.”
Lord Carrington (UK Foreign Secretary 1979-82,
Secretary General of NATO 1984-88, Chairman
European Conference on Yugoslavia 1990-92), SAGA Magazine, September 1999.

Maybe Serbia need not send troops into its province for the time being but any "dumya" move can be counternanced within UN resolution 1244 in protecting Serbia's citizens and maybe other troops too - 12th December is a hint!

Of course come the 11th Decemeber we will hear of a new movable deadline - Dec 20008 perhaps ?

The reaility is that Uncle Sam never could deliever on a false promise and surely it is time that those who dream of a benevolent Uncle Sam woke up to the truth and accepted the Serbian State they are in - hundreds of thousands have in obtaining their "Serbian" passport is it not time the few vocal posters followed the lead of the many and stopped believing in false promises?

"How could NATO protect the Serbs against over a million of Kosovars who have been brutalized for a decade?"

I must say that there is seldom a time that I am not taken back by some of the illogical and inappropriate comments posted on this site and the above comment falls into this category.

Your question, Essalam, does not deserve a response.

i have to say that it is a Sickening Spectacle, of the many spectacles highlighted in these web pages, to see people trying to make hay over all of these bodies. to say it is disrespectful of the dead (from all groups)is merely to state the obvious. clearly, terible crimes were committed by people of all ethnicities, but that will NEver wash away the guilt of serbia during the 90s, nor hide all of the mass graves on serbian "proper" soil. a great shame on serbia for these horrors, and on all who have perpetuated these crimes. and yet, judging by these postings, there is little remorse. and you expect the ethnic albanians in kosovo/a to live under serb dominaton?? just so utterly irrational not to mention immoral.

To the Serbian Albanian posters,

you have been fed lies and miss-information to the point where you no longer know fact from fiction.

The reality is that in total less then 5000 http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/take_two/2007/04/oliver_kamm_v_conor_foley.html (1 is too many for me) in the tragedy that is the Attack against Serbia by a western inspired seccionist Terrorist few ethnic Albanians. Note that this includes also those killed by the KLA, NATO, military, civilian and Terrostists alike int total.

Germany's BND and the US's CIA were heavily involved in the training and arming of the terrorist attack against the State.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BEH502A.html

You'll be sad to know since the KLA attacked the German toops in FYR Makedonia the Germans have heavily distanced themselves from the US - realising the danger they helped create.

Know wonder Ischinger the German EU representative on the Troika suggested

"The label is worth nothing. Where are they going to get their income from? They would continue to rely on foreign aid."
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2973548.ece

But you continue believing in false promises and dream up another movable deadline - Dec 20008 perhaps!

“Serbia is still holding over 2000 bodies of kosavars. Families want their kids, mothers, farthers, sisters and brothers bodies back. (ToniUK, 24 November 2007 11:08)”

Toni, I suggest you use facts and reason, not unsubstantiated emotional reactions.

“According to the record of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRS), officially acknowledged by Priština and Belgrade, the fate of 2,087 persons, including 1,300 Albanians, 500 Serbs and 200 members of other minorities, who went missing in Kosovo in 1998-1999, is still unaccounted for.”

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=04&dd=27&nav_category=102&nav_id=40930

Does it not bother you that fully 35.5% of the missing are non-Albanians mostly Serbs and Serbian speaking Roma? The ratio of Serb victims to Albanian victims was 10 to 1, mirroring the population exactly. Yet fully a third of those still missing are victims of Albanian crimes.

You blame Serbia for the high number of those still missing, when in fact, clearly the opposite is true. I guess Serbian victims don’t count or something?

The problem is, this is not an issue of Black & White Good Guys and Bad Guys. Both sides have clearly committed horrible deeds to one another and it goes back a long time. Trying to assign “blame” or who did what first, or any other justification for the crimes committed by a particulars ethnic side, is simply shameful. All crimes need to be condemned, and all innocent victims need justice. Portraying everything as completely one-sided will only result in long term instability and continued animosity.

I for one feel great shame for what innocent Albanians suffered in Kosovo. However, I do not forget our people were victims too. It is NOT my place to DEMAND an apology in return. All I can do is acknowledge the suffering of others, and hope that those can hear, will, and as a result see our victims as real people too.

The reality is we’re so divided against one another, we’ve lost the big picture. What kind of Europe do we want to build together? One where we are bitterly divided, where only the interests of the big western economic powers have any weight? Or one where we all participate in the decision making process and all sides of an argument are heard without prejudice?

What we decide and how we decide it will determine the future of how the EU will function.

"How could NATO protect the Serbs against over a million of Kosovars who have been brutalized for a decade?"
Essalam,

What brutality are you talking about? You mean the one which Serbs have been ethnically clensed from their homes by albans?

How can anyone kidnap innocent people and just kill them? what gives albanians the right to do that? this shows you what kind of people they are.

Did Serbs kidnap albans in order to kill them? NO! Serbs don't do these kinds of cowardly actions.

"Even though 3 times more kosovar bodies were returned by Serbia to Kosovo. Serbia is still holding over 2000 bodies of kosavars."

Absolute nonsense and a physical impossibility. Here's why: AFTER NATO's 78 day bombing campaign against Serbia, there were a grand total of 2,788 bodies exhumed by Western forensic scientists in Kosovo after well over an entire year of forensic investigations undertaken by NATO governments.

NATO governments stated BEFORE the bombing campaign commenced that there were 2,000 people killed on ALL sides (ie both military & civilian, Albanian & Serbian deaths) in Kosovo.

Which now leaves us with 788 people killed on ALL sides (both military deaths & civilian Albanian & Serbian deaths) during the 78 day bombing campaign according to NATO's very own figures.

The 2,788 bodies exhumed after over a year of forensic investigations by NATO included not only Albanian civilians, but also Serbian civilians, KLA combat deaths, Yugoslav army combat deaths, Serbian and Albanian NATO-bomb victims and Serbian and Albanian KLA victims.

This means that only a much smaller fraction of the 788 bodies can be Albanian civilians alone (whom you refer to as "kosovars") since it is even admitted by NATO themselves that their bombs alone killed several hundred civilians in Kosovo: both Albanian and Serbian.

http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/freezer1.htm

So ToniUK, who exactly are these "kosovars" that you are referring to? Are you talking about the members of the terrorist KLA killed in battle with the Yugoslav army or ordinary Albanian civilians murdered by the terrorist KLA for being "pro-Serb" or in other words, refusing to collaborate with the KLA?

Peter Robert North,

So there are no 10 000 Albanians killed by Serbs? I ask this becuse Albanians claim some 10 000 victims of Albanian nationality.

Robert: I don't want anyone to get dominated by anyone. I'm sorry that's your idea of how a national minority should exist within a state. It also makes me wonder what you have in store for minority Serbs.

If NATO were unwilling to prevent "revenge" of a "million Albanians" perhaps they should not have signed an occuption agreement guaranteeing to do so (also guaranteeing to respect Yugoslav sovereignty & of course to disarm our KLA terrorist friends). The fact is that thousands of instances of genocide took place under NATO rule - probably the worst being the Dragodan massacre where the KLA buried 210 people in a mass grave which officially is not a mass grave but "210 separate graves in the same place"(UK minister Dennis McShane). Had Milosevic allowed anything like that I think it would have been proper to bring him to trial.