Kosova is de facto Independent since 8 years and it will be de jure in a few weeks. Also, it has functioned as a separate state since the beginning of 90-s under President Rugova Movement. Kosova people have never fealt like being part of Serbia, not even part of Ex-Yugoslavia, in which Kosova had an Almost-Republic Status. Kosova people always fealt like outsiders in the fake-state of Yugoslavia and always wanted to be separated, that's how the term "Albanian Separatist", so loved by the all-around nationalists, came in the first place, and that was since 1945, when the WWII ended and the Kosova people were to hold a referendum to decide about their fate (in Ex-Yugo or unite with Albania). The referendum never took place because of the Iron Curtain of the Cold War, and that's why 60 years later the people of Kosova are still with their signed papers in hand, all ready to separate as soon as possible from the Never-belonged-state of Serbia. No one can stop us now, no one!
There are only two alternatives to the Kosova problem: 1. Independent Kosova; 2. Albanian becomes the second official language of Serbia, 25% of Serbian Parliament is reserved by constitution to the Albanian delegates, also the same level of representation to all the levels of government and institutions all over Serbia, etc, etc, you get the idea.
And believe me you, I am sure that Albanians would take the second option because demographically, they would become 60% of Serbia by 2050 and then...well...look who's talking!!!
Independent Kosova is your best scenario, dear neighbors!
it seems the inevitable is turning out to be...inevitable. Kosova was never yours, you lost nothing, only pride. You have a lot of people to blame in this time of horror, primarily your leaders who only used your biggest fears to come into power. Kosova becoming independent is not a dream, a vision, nor an idea, but reality. I know that you are scared of what might become, but you have nothing to fear.
The Kosovars are ready to be free, Serbia is getting ready to "lose" 10% of its' territory and the civilized world is preparing to recognize Kosova...I'm sorry but this is the end. Goodbye Yugoslavia as Kosova will be the last republic to part ways, Serbia is finally the "successor" of the Southern Slavics.
Funcakes
Ofcourse they said there is no comparison between the 2. That is why they will use the first opertunity to VETO such a resolution in the EU. So that the turks dontstart comparing the situation. It is exactly in line with their previous statements. CCCC
BTW, seems like Cyprus has made a complete turn-around...did you guys read the statement from the Cypriot government?
They basically stated that the case of Cyprus is completely different from Kosovo, and they do not want to be compared with it in any way, shape or form.
Wow, what a blow...
I knew their government was easily swayed, no one would listen.
You seem to have lots of time on your hands to dissect the similarities between Princip and Kate's verbage. If you really are from the UK, then you should know that 'utter rubbish' and 'ludicrous' are words used quite often by most Brits.
I find it far more likely that the albanian posts on here are all coming from the same source, since the spelling and grammar is equally terrible - it is 'utter rubbish'.
Mika,
If you want to be free from Serbia, that's simple, just move out.
Otherwise, you and your son will be waiting forever for your 'greater albania'.
Princip
"Come the 11th Decemeber I very much doubt Thaci would wish to act against the US and he has already been told he will not be able to declare such an illegal declaration - just as Ceku was told again and again and lost so much credibility for himself and his party."
Can you be so kind and elaborate on Ceku's party please?
Since you happened to know and understand politics, especially Kosova's then please let us know which is the party of Mr Çeku?
Knowing how busy you are, finding another story to twist, may I thank you in advance for your time and effort.
Your help would be much appreciated.
Funcakes wrote:
"Why would anyone respect Serbia as their country, after suffering it's crazy war crimes?"
Funny, it seems that Serbs are forced to do the same in Croatia and Bosnia.
Hey...Wait a minute, they DO!!!
"Any time someone says "respect Serbia as your country""
Well........Since you've NEVER respected Serbia in the first place, why start now eh?
But since we're on the subject, Macedonia and Montenegro are shining beacons of democracy...
Why don't you call yourselves citizens of that country...
You can't...You'll always call yourselves Albanians no matter WHERE you live..
So to point the finger at the person who you've spited for the last century is a bit of a farce..
Save it for the naive readers, and quit playing both sides of the fence.
C:
I think the Serbian point of view here is much more comprehensive than just land. Quite frankly, I think Serbia is better off without Albanians. Without getting too far into it I don't see Albanian society as something that can help Serbia's future.
However, things are not as simple as a breakup. We have around 150,000 Serbs in Kosovo. (not counting the ones that fled for their lives in 1999) Their treatment has been deplorable, and I'm very concerned for their safety and well being. Nothing that has happened in Kosovo either before 1989 or after tells me that they have a future there with Kosovo independence.
Furthermore, there are over a 100,000 Albanians living in the Presevo area. I'm sure Kosovo's indpendence will have an impact on them as well. Not to evan talk about sizable minorities of Serbs and Albanians in surrounding countries.
Negotiations need concessions from all sides, and I think it's time that the Albanians realized this. Serbia will not just give Kosovo away.
Princip,
Its funny how everytime I try to offer you some proof to you contradiction comments, my comments are either banned or edited.
So much so that one's wonder if you are the owner of this site.
Back to the subject now. For some time now I was wondering where am I seeing similarities with your comments. It was on the news, papers, internet blogs, in another words it was infront of my eyes everyday yet I couldn't come up with the answer.
Well today I came with that answer and boy, what a similarity.
Princip and Kate you two sound so much like Gerry & Kate McCann.
G&K McCann do not admit their child neglect.
Princip&Kate: Do not admit Serbia's human rights neglect and genocide that followed.
G&K McCann: Blame PJ for not finding Maddy and ingoring the sightings.
P&K: blames EU & USA for not finding a solution on Serbia's behalf.
G&K McCann relies on Metado3 to find Maddie
P& K Relies on Russia to find a solution(Autonomy).
Metodo3 says to G&K what they want to hear, Maddie is alive.
Russia says to Serbia, P&K that Kosovo is not lost and still alive.
G&K McCann pay Clarence to be their PR and spread lies
P&K and Serbia gives lucrative contracts to Russian companies to spread their lies.
G&K McCann most used word is "Ludicrous"
P&K : "Come the 11th December no Independent" "1244 UN" "False Promise" "Is not fair" "Utter Rubbish etc.
G&K McCann Jump on everyone's throat if they don't agree with them.
P&K Jumps on everyone who make a mistake on their spelling and their names(Mark Green comes to mind).
So as you can see there is alot of similarities and one wonder to ask are Princip and Kate so scared of "after 10th of December", that they keep mentioning on every comment?
Is this "false hope" of Princip is not as false hope as Princip want us to believe, hence he uses this word alot, because he knows the truth, he knows the outcome.
Anyway, I very much doubt this comment will be published because I mentioned Princip and Kate :))
The above link details articles in the worlds press that fully details systematic attacks by the albanians on the Serbs during the old Yugoslavia. These articles were written prior to the dismemberment of Yugoslavia. Enough of the phonet albanian claims of persecution!
To me, at least, Kosovo's independence will not mean the victory of one side over the other. Absolutely not. The idea of winning land is nothing more than a medieval concept. I hope that overtime Kosovo's leadership is able to articulate a vision of the future for all its people in line with economic prospects and sustainable peace. This would mean that independence is seen strictly as an instrument of bettering the lives of people of any ethnicity who want to call it a home.
(C, 23 November 2007 18:46)
Ok but what if independence has the exact opposite effect? Would u support it then?
Without the UN unilateral independence is the worst possible case for all the people of Kosovo. So then you must support autonomy if you care about the people of Kosovo.
I very much doubt independence is going to be declared on the 10th, 11th or even in December.
The Western countries have made it quite clear that they are not interested in dramatic acts which tend to turn to violence very easily in the Balkans.
Independence will be declared but not immediatly after December 10th, maybe in a months or so.
It's funny how some are urging 'us' to 'finally realise and accept the state we are in.' An even more nonsensical statement follows that Kosovo's economic development is somehow inherently linked to its maintainance of legals links with Serbia. Social science allows any foul an ability to make statements of all kinds, yet only those drawing robust evidence and able to draw on intelligent justifications are likely to survive. What does this mean?
First, the 'state we are in' is clear: factually completely independent, without a single link with Serbia - except on paper, sure. Besides, actually there is ONE link: Serbia has been paying Kosovo's foreign debt for quite awhile now. I guess it would be pointless to show any kind of gratitude for such an act. If there's other countries willing to pay for our debt - I dunno, perhaps logic has been lost on some parties...
A final and irreversible legal detachment from Serbia is the 'state to come' in which we will soon find ourselves in. And this 'state to come' is likely to put a burden on those who are lecturing others on doing reality checks that they - themselves - try to shake some of the very foundations that seem to inform their very 'to-the-ground' opinions. I say here with full confidence: 'the state to come' is independence. And, I could not care less whether some people decide to consider it 'illegal' according to a man-made law whose main signatories are willing to trash it away. It ain't much of an int'l law if its main signatories (barr one!) are no longer interested in it. You can't push the West to abide by a piece of int'l legal document that they ain't interested in no more. Life doesn't go by the book, nor does politics.
Second, the nonsense manifested in ideas of unseen dogmatic nationalisms claiming that somehow the chances of economic development of a piece of territory are intrinsically linked to its maintaining a legal link with another territory are a bit too far-fetched. It goes without saying that such a statement is absolutely against any mainstream view on contemporary development theory; the development of Kosovo at this point in time is intrinsically linked to its ability to fast-track economic reforms in its road to gaining admission to the EU. Unfortunately, its absolutely ridiculous to think that Belgrade could in any way replace Brussels for Kosovars. Plus, whatever economic blocade that Serbia imposes on Kosovo is likely to do us a favour: it will massively speed up the development of public infrastructure and transportation channels outwards, thus dealing a massive blow to the much-present economic and infrastructural links with Serbia. This idea is not far-fetched at all: Albania is on the verge of completing a major part of a major road link to Kosovo border; following independence I expect it will take us up to 3 years to complete Kosovo's section of the highway channel. That would effectively give Kosovo direct access to the Adriatic coast-line and hence to Italian and Greece markets.
Third, and final, I understand that Kosovo's independence will be a hard thing to swallow for the Serbs. I understand the emotions. But the vast majority of people who live in Kosovo cannot be held hostage to the historically-constructed myths that have been transferred generationally and implented into the Serbian political mindset.
To me, at least, Kosovo's independence will not mean the victory of one side over the other. Absolutely not. The idea of winning land is nothing more than a medieval concept. I hope that overtime Kosovo's leadership is able to articulate a vision of the future for all its people in line with economic prospects and sustainable peace. This would mean that independence is seen strictly as an instrument of bettering the lives of people of any ethnicity who want to call it a home.
very wise indeed , to wait some 20 years more and then to countinue the talks , good perspective ! i am 38 years old , and i spent all my life in waiting to be free from Serbia . my father died as 72 years old , he waited all his life for the same day . my son is 11 years old , he won't wait a month to meet , live , enjoy and inherit it to son of his son .
Oh well, we gave it a try but now that Tadic dismissed our efforts so we should give up I guess. At least the guy had the decency to add a big BUT at the end of his reassurances about Serbia keeping Kosova.
Come the 11th Decemeber I very much doubt Thaci would wish to act against the US and he has already been told he will not be able to declare such an illegal declaration - just as Ceku was told again and again and lost so much credibility for himself and his party.
So what then when the 11th Decemeber comes and no false promise is delivered?
Do you make up some new movable deadline - December 20008 perhaps ?
or
finaly realise and accept the state your in - Serbia and get on with reconciliation and economic development ?
Mr Tadic, what will happen if Albanians anyhow induce the violence and try to enter the North in forcefull way. What will happen if the lives of Serbs and non-Serbs are jeopardized?
C:
I think the Serbian point of view here is much more comprehensive than just land. Quite frankly, I think Serbia is better off without Albanians. Without getting too far into it I don't see Albanian society as something that can help Serbia's future.
However, things are not as simple as a breakup. We have around 150,000 Serbs in Kosovo. (not counting the ones that fled for their lives in 1999) Their treatment has been deplorable, and I'm very concerned for their safety and well being. Nothing that has happened in Kosovo either before 1989 or after tells me that they have a future there with Kosovo independence.
Furthermore, there are over a 100,000 Albanians living in the Presevo area. I'm sure Kosovo's indpendence will have an impact on them as well. Not to evan talk about sizable minorities of Serbs and Albanians in surrounding countries.
Negotiations need concessions from all sides, and I think it's time that the Albanians realized this. Serbia will not just give Kosovo away.
Funcakes wrote:
"Why would anyone respect Serbia as their country, after suffering it's crazy war crimes?"
Funny, it seems that Serbs are forced to do the same in Croatia and Bosnia.
Hey...Wait a minute, they DO!!!
"Any time someone says "respect Serbia as your country""
Well........Since you've NEVER respected Serbia in the first place, why start now eh?
But since we're on the subject, Macedonia and Montenegro are shining beacons of democracy...
Why don't you call yourselves citizens of that country...
You can't...You'll always call yourselves Albanians no matter WHERE you live..
So to point the finger at the person who you've spited for the last century is a bit of a farce..
Save it for the naive readers, and quit playing both sides of the fence.
Mika,
If you want to be free from Serbia, that's simple, just move out.
Otherwise, you and your son will be waiting forever for your 'greater albania'.
Come the 11th Decemeber I very much doubt Thaci would wish to act against the US and he has already been told he will not be able to declare such an illegal declaration - just as Ceku was told again and again and lost so much credibility for himself and his party.
So what then when the 11th Decemeber comes and no false promise is delivered?
Do you make up some new movable deadline - December 20008 perhaps ?
or
finaly realise and accept the state your in - Serbia and get on with reconciliation and economic development ?
very wise indeed , to wait some 20 years more and then to countinue the talks , good perspective ! i am 38 years old , and i spent all my life in waiting to be free from Serbia . my father died as 72 years old , he waited all his life for the same day . my son is 11 years old , he won't wait a month to meet , live , enjoy and inherit it to son of his son .
The above link details articles in the worlds press that fully details systematic attacks by the albanians on the Serbs during the old Yugoslavia. These articles were written prior to the dismemberment of Yugoslavia. Enough of the phonet albanian claims of persecution!
You seem to have lots of time on your hands to dissect the similarities between Princip and Kate's verbage. If you really are from the UK, then you should know that 'utter rubbish' and 'ludicrous' are words used quite often by most Brits.
I find it far more likely that the albanian posts on here are all coming from the same source, since the spelling and grammar is equally terrible - it is 'utter rubbish'.
To me, at least, Kosovo's independence will not mean the victory of one side over the other. Absolutely not. The idea of winning land is nothing more than a medieval concept. I hope that overtime Kosovo's leadership is able to articulate a vision of the future for all its people in line with economic prospects and sustainable peace. This would mean that independence is seen strictly as an instrument of bettering the lives of people of any ethnicity who want to call it a home.
(C, 23 November 2007 18:46)
Ok but what if independence has the exact opposite effect? Would u support it then?
Without the UN unilateral independence is the worst possible case for all the people of Kosovo. So then you must support autonomy if you care about the people of Kosovo.
Funcakes
Ofcourse they said there is no comparison between the 2. That is why they will use the first opertunity to VETO such a resolution in the EU. So that the turks dontstart comparing the situation. It is exactly in line with their previous statements. CCCC
Mr Tadic, what will happen if Albanians anyhow induce the violence and try to enter the North in forcefull way. What will happen if the lives of Serbs and non-Serbs are jeopardized?
Oh well, we gave it a try but now that Tadic dismissed our efforts so we should give up I guess. At least the guy had the decency to add a big BUT at the end of his reassurances about Serbia keeping Kosova.
Princip,
Its funny how everytime I try to offer you some proof to you contradiction comments, my comments are either banned or edited.
So much so that one's wonder if you are the owner of this site.
Back to the subject now. For some time now I was wondering where am I seeing similarities with your comments. It was on the news, papers, internet blogs, in another words it was infront of my eyes everyday yet I couldn't come up with the answer.
Well today I came with that answer and boy, what a similarity.
Princip and Kate you two sound so much like Gerry & Kate McCann.
G&K McCann do not admit their child neglect.
Princip&Kate: Do not admit Serbia's human rights neglect and genocide that followed.
G&K McCann: Blame PJ for not finding Maddy and ingoring the sightings.
P&K: blames EU & USA for not finding a solution on Serbia's behalf.
G&K McCann relies on Metado3 to find Maddie
P& K Relies on Russia to find a solution(Autonomy).
Metodo3 says to G&K what they want to hear, Maddie is alive.
Russia says to Serbia, P&K that Kosovo is not lost and still alive.
G&K McCann pay Clarence to be their PR and spread lies
P&K and Serbia gives lucrative contracts to Russian companies to spread their lies.
G&K McCann most used word is "Ludicrous"
P&K : "Come the 11th December no Independent" "1244 UN" "False Promise" "Is not fair" "Utter Rubbish etc.
G&K McCann Jump on everyone's throat if they don't agree with them.
P&K Jumps on everyone who make a mistake on their spelling and their names(Mark Green comes to mind).
So as you can see there is alot of similarities and one wonder to ask are Princip and Kate so scared of "after 10th of December", that they keep mentioning on every comment?
Is this "false hope" of Princip is not as false hope as Princip want us to believe, hence he uses this word alot, because he knows the truth, he knows the outcome.
Anyway, I very much doubt this comment will be published because I mentioned Princip and Kate :))
Princip
"Come the 11th Decemeber I very much doubt Thaci would wish to act against the US and he has already been told he will not be able to declare such an illegal declaration - just as Ceku was told again and again and lost so much credibility for himself and his party."
Can you be so kind and elaborate on Ceku's party please?
Since you happened to know and understand politics, especially Kosova's then please let us know which is the party of Mr Çeku?
Knowing how busy you are, finding another story to twist, may I thank you in advance for your time and effort.
Your help would be much appreciated.
BTW, seems like Cyprus has made a complete turn-around...did you guys read the statement from the Cypriot government?
They basically stated that the case of Cyprus is completely different from Kosovo, and they do not want to be compared with it in any way, shape or form.
Wow, what a blow...
I knew their government was easily swayed, no one would listen.
Kosova is de facto Independent since 8 years and it will be de jure in a few weeks. Also, it has functioned as a separate state since the beginning of 90-s under President Rugova Movement. Kosova people have never fealt like being part of Serbia, not even part of Ex-Yugoslavia, in which Kosova had an Almost-Republic Status. Kosova people always fealt like outsiders in the fake-state of Yugoslavia and always wanted to be separated, that's how the term "Albanian Separatist", so loved by the all-around nationalists, came in the first place, and that was since 1945, when the WWII ended and the Kosova people were to hold a referendum to decide about their fate (in Ex-Yugo or unite with Albania). The referendum never took place because of the Iron Curtain of the Cold War, and that's why 60 years later the people of Kosova are still with their signed papers in hand, all ready to separate as soon as possible from the Never-belonged-state of Serbia. No one can stop us now, no one!
There are only two alternatives to the Kosova problem: 1. Independent Kosova; 2. Albanian becomes the second official language of Serbia, 25% of Serbian Parliament is reserved by constitution to the Albanian delegates, also the same level of representation to all the levels of government and institutions all over Serbia, etc, etc, you get the idea.
And believe me you, I am sure that Albanians would take the second option because demographically, they would become 60% of Serbia by 2050 and then...well...look who's talking!!!
Independent Kosova is your best scenario, dear neighbors!
It's funny how some are urging 'us' to 'finally realise and accept the state we are in.' An even more nonsensical statement follows that Kosovo's economic development is somehow inherently linked to its maintainance of legals links with Serbia. Social science allows any foul an ability to make statements of all kinds, yet only those drawing robust evidence and able to draw on intelligent justifications are likely to survive. What does this mean?
First, the 'state we are in' is clear: factually completely independent, without a single link with Serbia - except on paper, sure. Besides, actually there is ONE link: Serbia has been paying Kosovo's foreign debt for quite awhile now. I guess it would be pointless to show any kind of gratitude for such an act. If there's other countries willing to pay for our debt - I dunno, perhaps logic has been lost on some parties...
A final and irreversible legal detachment from Serbia is the 'state to come' in which we will soon find ourselves in. And this 'state to come' is likely to put a burden on those who are lecturing others on doing reality checks that they - themselves - try to shake some of the very foundations that seem to inform their very 'to-the-ground' opinions. I say here with full confidence: 'the state to come' is independence. And, I could not care less whether some people decide to consider it 'illegal' according to a man-made law whose main signatories are willing to trash it away. It ain't much of an int'l law if its main signatories (barr one!) are no longer interested in it. You can't push the West to abide by a piece of int'l legal document that they ain't interested in no more. Life doesn't go by the book, nor does politics.
Second, the nonsense manifested in ideas of unseen dogmatic nationalisms claiming that somehow the chances of economic development of a piece of territory are intrinsically linked to its maintaining a legal link with another territory are a bit too far-fetched. It goes without saying that such a statement is absolutely against any mainstream view on contemporary development theory; the development of Kosovo at this point in time is intrinsically linked to its ability to fast-track economic reforms in its road to gaining admission to the EU. Unfortunately, its absolutely ridiculous to think that Belgrade could in any way replace Brussels for Kosovars. Plus, whatever economic blocade that Serbia imposes on Kosovo is likely to do us a favour: it will massively speed up the development of public infrastructure and transportation channels outwards, thus dealing a massive blow to the much-present economic and infrastructural links with Serbia. This idea is not far-fetched at all: Albania is on the verge of completing a major part of a major road link to Kosovo border; following independence I expect it will take us up to 3 years to complete Kosovo's section of the highway channel. That would effectively give Kosovo direct access to the Adriatic coast-line and hence to Italian and Greece markets.
Third, and final, I understand that Kosovo's independence will be a hard thing to swallow for the Serbs. I understand the emotions. But the vast majority of people who live in Kosovo cannot be held hostage to the historically-constructed myths that have been transferred generationally and implented into the Serbian political mindset.
To me, at least, Kosovo's independence will not mean the victory of one side over the other. Absolutely not. The idea of winning land is nothing more than a medieval concept. I hope that overtime Kosovo's leadership is able to articulate a vision of the future for all its people in line with economic prospects and sustainable peace. This would mean that independence is seen strictly as an instrument of bettering the lives of people of any ethnicity who want to call it a home.
I very much doubt independence is going to be declared on the 10th, 11th or even in December.
The Western countries have made it quite clear that they are not interested in dramatic acts which tend to turn to violence very easily in the Balkans.
Independence will be declared but not immediatly after December 10th, maybe in a months or so.
it seems the inevitable is turning out to be...inevitable. Kosova was never yours, you lost nothing, only pride. You have a lot of people to blame in this time of horror, primarily your leaders who only used your biggest fears to come into power. Kosova becoming independent is not a dream, a vision, nor an idea, but reality. I know that you are scared of what might become, but you have nothing to fear.
The Kosovars are ready to be free, Serbia is getting ready to "lose" 10% of its' territory and the civilized world is preparing to recognize Kosova...I'm sorry but this is the end. Goodbye Yugoslavia as Kosova will be the last republic to part ways, Serbia is finally the "successor" of the Southern Slavics.
very wise indeed , to wait some 20 years more and then to countinue the talks , good perspective ! i am 38 years old , and i spent all my life in waiting to be free from Serbia . my father died as 72 years old , he waited all his life for the same day . my son is 11 years old , he won't wait a month to meet , live , enjoy and inherit it to son of his son .
Princip,
Its funny how everytime I try to offer you some proof to you contradiction comments, my comments are either banned or edited.
So much so that one's wonder if you are the owner of this site.
Back to the subject now. For some time now I was wondering where am I seeing similarities with your comments. It was on the news, papers, internet blogs, in another words it was infront of my eyes everyday yet I couldn't come up with the answer.
Well today I came with that answer and boy, what a similarity.
Princip and Kate you two sound so much like Gerry & Kate McCann.
G&K McCann do not admit their child neglect.
Princip&Kate: Do not admit Serbia's human rights neglect and genocide that followed.
G&K McCann: Blame PJ for not finding Maddy and ingoring the sightings.
P&K: blames EU & USA for not finding a solution on Serbia's behalf.
G&K McCann relies on Metado3 to find Maddie
P& K Relies on Russia to find a solution(Autonomy).
Metodo3 says to G&K what they want to hear, Maddie is alive.
Russia says to Serbia, P&K that Kosovo is not lost and still alive.
G&K McCann pay Clarence to be their PR and spread lies
P&K and Serbia gives lucrative contracts to Russian companies to spread their lies.
G&K McCann most used word is "Ludicrous"
P&K : "Come the 11th December no Independent" "1244 UN" "False Promise" "Is not fair" "Utter Rubbish etc.
G&K McCann Jump on everyone's throat if they don't agree with them.
P&K Jumps on everyone who make a mistake on their spelling and their names(Mark Green comes to mind).
So as you can see there is alot of similarities and one wonder to ask are Princip and Kate so scared of "after 10th of December", that they keep mentioning on every comment?
Is this "false hope" of Princip is not as false hope as Princip want us to believe, hence he uses this word alot, because he knows the truth, he knows the outcome.
Anyway, I very much doubt this comment will be published because I mentioned Princip and Kate :))
Oh well, we gave it a try but now that Tadic dismissed our efforts so we should give up I guess. At least the guy had the decency to add a big BUT at the end of his reassurances about Serbia keeping Kosova.
It's funny how some are urging 'us' to 'finally realise and accept the state we are in.' An even more nonsensical statement follows that Kosovo's economic development is somehow inherently linked to its maintainance of legals links with Serbia. Social science allows any foul an ability to make statements of all kinds, yet only those drawing robust evidence and able to draw on intelligent justifications are likely to survive. What does this mean?
First, the 'state we are in' is clear: factually completely independent, without a single link with Serbia - except on paper, sure. Besides, actually there is ONE link: Serbia has been paying Kosovo's foreign debt for quite awhile now. I guess it would be pointless to show any kind of gratitude for such an act. If there's other countries willing to pay for our debt - I dunno, perhaps logic has been lost on some parties...
A final and irreversible legal detachment from Serbia is the 'state to come' in which we will soon find ourselves in. And this 'state to come' is likely to put a burden on those who are lecturing others on doing reality checks that they - themselves - try to shake some of the very foundations that seem to inform their very 'to-the-ground' opinions. I say here with full confidence: 'the state to come' is independence. And, I could not care less whether some people decide to consider it 'illegal' according to a man-made law whose main signatories are willing to trash it away. It ain't much of an int'l law if its main signatories (barr one!) are no longer interested in it. You can't push the West to abide by a piece of int'l legal document that they ain't interested in no more. Life doesn't go by the book, nor does politics.
Second, the nonsense manifested in ideas of unseen dogmatic nationalisms claiming that somehow the chances of economic development of a piece of territory are intrinsically linked to its maintaining a legal link with another territory are a bit too far-fetched. It goes without saying that such a statement is absolutely against any mainstream view on contemporary development theory; the development of Kosovo at this point in time is intrinsically linked to its ability to fast-track economic reforms in its road to gaining admission to the EU. Unfortunately, its absolutely ridiculous to think that Belgrade could in any way replace Brussels for Kosovars. Plus, whatever economic blocade that Serbia imposes on Kosovo is likely to do us a favour: it will massively speed up the development of public infrastructure and transportation channels outwards, thus dealing a massive blow to the much-present economic and infrastructural links with Serbia. This idea is not far-fetched at all: Albania is on the verge of completing a major part of a major road link to Kosovo border; following independence I expect it will take us up to 3 years to complete Kosovo's section of the highway channel. That would effectively give Kosovo direct access to the Adriatic coast-line and hence to Italian and Greece markets.
Third, and final, I understand that Kosovo's independence will be a hard thing to swallow for the Serbs. I understand the emotions. But the vast majority of people who live in Kosovo cannot be held hostage to the historically-constructed myths that have been transferred generationally and implented into the Serbian political mindset.
To me, at least, Kosovo's independence will not mean the victory of one side over the other. Absolutely not. The idea of winning land is nothing more than a medieval concept. I hope that overtime Kosovo's leadership is able to articulate a vision of the future for all its people in line with economic prospects and sustainable peace. This would mean that independence is seen strictly as an instrument of bettering the lives of people of any ethnicity who want to call it a home.
Princip
"Come the 11th Decemeber I very much doubt Thaci would wish to act against the US and he has already been told he will not be able to declare such an illegal declaration - just as Ceku was told again and again and lost so much credibility for himself and his party."
Can you be so kind and elaborate on Ceku's party please?
Since you happened to know and understand politics, especially Kosova's then please let us know which is the party of Mr Çeku?
Knowing how busy you are, finding another story to twist, may I thank you in advance for your time and effort.
Your help would be much appreciated.
BTW, seems like Cyprus has made a complete turn-around...did you guys read the statement from the Cypriot government?
They basically stated that the case of Cyprus is completely different from Kosovo, and they do not want to be compared with it in any way, shape or form.
Wow, what a blow...
I knew their government was easily swayed, no one would listen.
it seems the inevitable is turning out to be...inevitable. Kosova was never yours, you lost nothing, only pride. You have a lot of people to blame in this time of horror, primarily your leaders who only used your biggest fears to come into power. Kosova becoming independent is not a dream, a vision, nor an idea, but reality. I know that you are scared of what might become, but you have nothing to fear.
The Kosovars are ready to be free, Serbia is getting ready to "lose" 10% of its' territory and the civilized world is preparing to recognize Kosova...I'm sorry but this is the end. Goodbye Yugoslavia as Kosova will be the last republic to part ways, Serbia is finally the "successor" of the Southern Slavics.
Kosova is de facto Independent since 8 years and it will be de jure in a few weeks. Also, it has functioned as a separate state since the beginning of 90-s under President Rugova Movement. Kosova people have never fealt like being part of Serbia, not even part of Ex-Yugoslavia, in which Kosova had an Almost-Republic Status. Kosova people always fealt like outsiders in the fake-state of Yugoslavia and always wanted to be separated, that's how the term "Albanian Separatist", so loved by the all-around nationalists, came in the first place, and that was since 1945, when the WWII ended and the Kosova people were to hold a referendum to decide about their fate (in Ex-Yugo or unite with Albania). The referendum never took place because of the Iron Curtain of the Cold War, and that's why 60 years later the people of Kosova are still with their signed papers in hand, all ready to separate as soon as possible from the Never-belonged-state of Serbia. No one can stop us now, no one!
There are only two alternatives to the Kosova problem: 1. Independent Kosova; 2. Albanian becomes the second official language of Serbia, 25% of Serbian Parliament is reserved by constitution to the Albanian delegates, also the same level of representation to all the levels of government and institutions all over Serbia, etc, etc, you get the idea.
And believe me you, I am sure that Albanians would take the second option because demographically, they would become 60% of Serbia by 2050 and then...well...look who's talking!!!
Independent Kosova is your best scenario, dear neighbors!
Mr Tadic, what will happen if Albanians anyhow induce the violence and try to enter the North in forcefull way. What will happen if the lives of Serbs and non-Serbs are jeopardized?
Come the 11th Decemeber I very much doubt Thaci would wish to act against the US and he has already been told he will not be able to declare such an illegal declaration - just as Ceku was told again and again and lost so much credibility for himself and his party.
So what then when the 11th Decemeber comes and no false promise is delivered?
Do you make up some new movable deadline - December 20008 perhaps ?
or
finaly realise and accept the state your in - Serbia and get on with reconciliation and economic development ?
I very much doubt independence is going to be declared on the 10th, 11th or even in December.
The Western countries have made it quite clear that they are not interested in dramatic acts which tend to turn to violence very easily in the Balkans.
Independence will be declared but not immediatly after December 10th, maybe in a months or so.
To me, at least, Kosovo's independence will not mean the victory of one side over the other. Absolutely not. The idea of winning land is nothing more than a medieval concept. I hope that overtime Kosovo's leadership is able to articulate a vision of the future for all its people in line with economic prospects and sustainable peace. This would mean that independence is seen strictly as an instrument of bettering the lives of people of any ethnicity who want to call it a home.
(C, 23 November 2007 18:46)
Ok but what if independence has the exact opposite effect? Would u support it then?
Without the UN unilateral independence is the worst possible case for all the people of Kosovo. So then you must support autonomy if you care about the people of Kosovo.
The above link details articles in the worlds press that fully details systematic attacks by the albanians on the Serbs during the old Yugoslavia. These articles were written prior to the dismemberment of Yugoslavia. Enough of the phonet albanian claims of persecution!
C:
I think the Serbian point of view here is much more comprehensive than just land. Quite frankly, I think Serbia is better off without Albanians. Without getting too far into it I don't see Albanian society as something that can help Serbia's future.
However, things are not as simple as a breakup. We have around 150,000 Serbs in Kosovo. (not counting the ones that fled for their lives in 1999) Their treatment has been deplorable, and I'm very concerned for their safety and well being. Nothing that has happened in Kosovo either before 1989 or after tells me that they have a future there with Kosovo independence.
Furthermore, there are over a 100,000 Albanians living in the Presevo area. I'm sure Kosovo's indpendence will have an impact on them as well. Not to evan talk about sizable minorities of Serbs and Albanians in surrounding countries.
Negotiations need concessions from all sides, and I think it's time that the Albanians realized this. Serbia will not just give Kosovo away.
Funcakes wrote:
"Why would anyone respect Serbia as their country, after suffering it's crazy war crimes?"
Funny, it seems that Serbs are forced to do the same in Croatia and Bosnia.
Hey...Wait a minute, they DO!!!
"Any time someone says "respect Serbia as your country""
Well........Since you've NEVER respected Serbia in the first place, why start now eh?
But since we're on the subject, Macedonia and Montenegro are shining beacons of democracy...
Why don't you call yourselves citizens of that country...
You can't...You'll always call yourselves Albanians no matter WHERE you live..
So to point the finger at the person who you've spited for the last century is a bit of a farce..
Save it for the naive readers, and quit playing both sides of the fence.
Mika,
If you want to be free from Serbia, that's simple, just move out.
Otherwise, you and your son will be waiting forever for your 'greater albania'.
You seem to have lots of time on your hands to dissect the similarities between Princip and Kate's verbage. If you really are from the UK, then you should know that 'utter rubbish' and 'ludicrous' are words used quite often by most Brits.
I find it far more likely that the albanian posts on here are all coming from the same source, since the spelling and grammar is equally terrible - it is 'utter rubbish'.
Funcakes
Ofcourse they said there is no comparison between the 2. That is why they will use the first opertunity to VETO such a resolution in the EU. So that the turks dontstart comparing the situation. It is exactly in line with their previous statements. CCCC
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