FM: Int'l community will not allow Kosovo independence

Hmmm no support from the UN and no support from the EU. Deffinetely no independence. There is just no support for it. CCCC

Time and international law is on Serbia's Soeverign side. The last 8 years have highlighted this time and again and as much as the US huff and puff they know this only too well!

Serbians need to realise that this stance is the best way forward. Illegal declarations remain illegal and the US, UK and France have an obligation to uphold the UN resolutions that they formulated, signed and agreed as well as respecting other international agreements that respect all (including their own) sovereignity equally as it does Serbia's.

Beyond which the UN and and its local administration UNMIK in the Serbian province have an obligation to ignore such an illegal declaration and immediatly nullify it - which I am sure they will.

Any action that goes against the UN and all other international norms and laws will however create the greatest instability and then I guess we might hear a different tone in the months ahead. For now Serbia is insisting that everyone remains calm and diplomacy be utilised but that is upto the US and the "few" EU nations who need to understand the repurcussions of any illegal action they suggest they "may" take against international norms and laws.

One other point is the increased partnership of Serbia and Russia can accelerate in a new way come the 12th December after the withdrawal of Russia from CFE. Unless of course the US have a change of mind in their reckless foreign policy - the ball will be well and truly in the US court - do they really act so aggresivly against the UN or do they understand that false promises can never be deliverable ?

Come the 11th Decemeber I hope those who are still dreaming wake up to the reality that the US false promise is exactly that - a false promise and it is not in the US capability to give away what is not its to give away!

I really dont hope that another false dawn (ever movable deadline) is set as 1244 remains and will remain so irrespective of the US bluster untill of course a "negotiated" compromise is found - only then will a new Resolution be agreeable.

Alas I guess many will be only too willing to be strung along again by Uncle Sam and his false promise! But saddly this will make economic revival - something needs to happen all the less likely.

I see that several people here are only too happy to see Kosovo become an independent Albanian country. You think it's inevitable, because certain powers want it that way.

Let me just caution you that certain people once wanted a Yugoslavia, and now it's gone. Go further back and some people wanted the Austrian Hungarian empire or Ottoman empire around, and they're gone. Just because the great powers want something now, doesn't mean it will stay that way in the future.

The point is that some of you people pushing for Kosovo independence should take a more in depth look at the history of the Balkans. Imposed solutions and ultimatums have never been a long term success. In fact, they have led to more suffering and tragedy. That's why the Serbian sign off to the deal are critical for the international community.

So far the international discussions about Kosovo have been so one sided, that Serbian needs have been completely overlooked. Until the Albanians and those of you who support them actually recognize Serbian interests and needs within the region, it's hard to believe any long lasting solution will take effect. History would show that I'm right.

Mark Green,

I´ll answer you, just in case you´re not an albanian who just once again ineffectually wants to create the look of "all foreigners are on our side"... what is understandable, from their desperate point of view...but has a very low credibility...

first of all, ALL of the SERBIAN province of KiM is serbian area. what is so difficult to understand about that simple fact?

2nd: if there is another war, as you want to predict, ..then it will certainly not be started by the serbian state.
the Albanians, or , to be more precise, a certain part of them, is the one who is the troublemaker here...keep that in mind.

third: Serbia will not allow that to happen. you should not ask other states to do, what you yourself wouldn´t do!

in regard to the mentioning of the intern. community:

he´s quite right, when he is saying that! even if some states "recognized" you... it would only be like special relations between them and the serbian province, since the real,and I mean it quite seriously, the real and only arena is the UNSC.
otherwise all those "declarations" are only something like a make-up, covering up the failure of certain factors to deliver, what can´t be delivered...


so, I do not care at all, if some "studied" criminal, like taci, "declares" some kind of toy-indpendence... and even if the Albanians here in this forum would cheer and be happy... I know that this doesn´t mean a thing....

it would perhaps even be better, they would feel like they got what they wanted...and Serbia got also what was wanted.

try to get a membership in the IMF or other international institutions afterwards.. and you will see just HOW independent the Albanians in Kosovo are...

let´s see what future brings!

'Mark Green' - interesting that someone who clearly doesn't have English as a first language would use such an English sounding name.

No independence! Amazing, this is something we've known for quite sometime! It's just a pipe dream as they've been "promising" the world this independance for the last, what, decade??

It's just not happening & this is proof that bush's words didn't mean a thing when he visited tirana!

"´Hmmm no support from the UN.....´

Dejavu-1999 bombing
(K-Alb)"

Allow me to remind you that aggression of NATO/US didn't have blessing of UN. Exactly opposite. It was illegal act of aggression.

I wonder, and this is a hypocrisy of UN, that it took administration of the province not requesting a withdrawal of all NATO/US forces. They supposed to be replaced by UN peacekeepers.

So, do not claim that UN supported aggression of Serbia.

Somebody else wrote that Serbia is going to be slave of Imperial Russia. But this is not the same Russia as it was USSR. It is much more democratic and having much more money. Their investment in Serbia is going to be more important then western investment. Perhaps Serbia is going to be slave of Russia. So what?

Kosovo for the last 8 years is colony of US, UK, UE and Germany. And what? Unemployment of at least 50%, drugs and human trafficking, corruption and the lowest standard of living in entire Europe.

If you dream about huge investments by EU or US then better wake up right now. Us need Kosovo only for military bases. Nothing else. Read "The America's Project of 21 century" and you will understand what is going on.

Many Kosovo Albanians already realize it. Very low turnout during last election is the best proof of it. Your leaders and corrupted officials of UN will make fortunes but the rest of you is going to be very poor.

someone in the US is coming to reason, finally...

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2007/11/20/first_kosovo_and_then_what/

I think that this is not the last article of that kind in american newspapers... and

keep in mind: the Boston Globe is not such a smal yellow-page -paper like Koha Ditore...

let´s see what future brings!

Mark Green,

"Why can't Serbia just except that the Kosovo Albanians do not wish to be Serbian Citizens"

- but so many hundreds of thousands of Serbian Albanians from the Serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija are only too happy to accept Serbian citizenship having obtained their passports and many tens of thousands continue to do so each month!
http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/politika081307.htm

"Agim Ceku graduated out of University of Belgrade"

that's right, and surroi's father was our ambassador abroad. so much for discrimination albanians suffer in this country, that they just had to take up arms against the state. you had access to schools and senior state positions, and everything below and inbetween that. and when you no longer had access it was of your own choice, your particular brand of propaganda via playing the arch victim.
you were second class citizens under milosevic? i'll tell you what, so were we. we had inflation of 70 million percent per day at one point, we had disintegration of health and social system, we had war, we were 10th class citizens.
but tell me just one thing: why is it that they say in the west, milosevic got to power in 1987 manipulating the suffering of kosovo serbs? who brought the suffering on kosovo serbs twenty years ago and more importantly why?
you know his demagogue slogan to kosovo serbs, no one will beat you from now on.
who was beating kosovo serbs and attacking them twenty years ago, and why?
could it be because they were a minority in that territory and so the majority thought they would just intimidate and drive them away in quiet ethnic cleansing?
really, why did you albanians create and sustain milosevic? without you he would've retired as belgrade communist council aparatchik. why didnt you participate in elections in 90, 92, 96, and remove him? you were 20 percent of the electorate, you would've swayed the result easy. so many people suffered as a cosequence of what you did and did not do.
maybe this is because you never accepted serbia as other minorities do, irrelevant of who was in power and what policies. but, if that is the root of this problem, then, i'm sure that basques don't and corsicans don't and let's not even mention hungarians in romania, they don't accept the states where they live. but that doesn't change a thing. borders in europe do not change because of one ethnic group's myths and wishes, that they should have a country, that they should separate. yugo was made of six republics, one of those, my country, had and still has two provinces. badinter commission early in the first war decided that yugo would break up along republic borders. there are now six states where yugo was. the process is over.
but like i said before, if you really must: declare independence, and take de facto and put in on your flag and in your anthem and also spread it on your bread.
i will be very interested to see which foreign investor will be ready to invest one euro in such a de facto mess of a place.
not gloating here mind you, because i see no benefit for anyone from this, but you are making such a huge mistake.
cos de iure's never happening.

which International community are you talking about Mr. Jeremic?
I sugest that you use every chance that you get for photo opportunity before Kosova declares Independence, because I think afterwards you will be ashamed even to be seen in public, BECASUE YOU KEEP PROMISSING SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE UNABLE TO DELIVER.

Cvele,

´Hmmm no support from the UN.....´

Dejavu-1999 bombing
(K-Alb, 23 November 2007 18:28)

Im so happy that u believe its still 99.

By International Community I presume they mean Russia and Serbia. Why can't Serbia just except that the Kosovo Albanians do not wish to be Serbian Citizens. Allow the Serbian areas to remain within Serbia and let the Albanians go. I think Serbia just wants the K Albanians land, Serbia doesn't care about the K Albanians. If autonomy is imposed upon the K Albanians then there will be war at some point in the future as the K Albanians will never except this. We all know that Serbia will take this "autonomy" away in the future like they did in 1989.

"So Vuk graduated out of University of Belgrade right? Must have been valedictorian."

KS that was funny, thanks :)
but no, more likely you did, if you went to university. many kosovo albanians studied over here. but sergei's best mate is, as you know, an ivy league fella.
:)

Dear Johnny:

The Serbs are not without their rights in Kosovo. You don't get to have it all your way. Meanwhile, why don't you start proving that you can handle yourselves as a democratic, civilized society by giving the Serbs living there basic human rights. That would actually go a long way to help your cause.

as i read how Mr. Jeremić continous his mission imposible , prevention of Kosova Indenpendence , i can not think of Sancho pancho and his war with windmill . go on Mr. Jeremić , i enjoy reading your statements .

I guess is it easier for Mr Jeremic to lie through his teeth bearing in mind his big gap in the from. Russia’s game is well and truly over. In the long term they have made it easier for EU to speak with one voice. Here is the link to today’s Economist. http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10177159

So Vuk graduated out of University of Belgrade right? Must have been valedictorian.

Kate - Why does it matter what other peoples names are? Half the names around here you can not pronounce, mine included.

Cvele,

´Hmmm no support from the UN.....´

Dejavu-1999 bombing

“Serbia will use political, diplomatic, economic and legal means to render the decision null and void. Serbia will do everything to get things back on the earlier track and prevent this decision being taken, but it will not use force,” Jeremić said.

“Serbia will never accept an illegitimate act that threatens its sovereignty and territorial integrity, because that would have dramatic consequences for the entire region,” Jeremić said

Mr. Jeremic words are the sane as Mr. Borisav Jovic’s, Milosevic’s. In fact they have nullified the Illegal proclamation of Independence of Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia as this will matter so much to Serbian public. C’mon Serbia n politicians, don’t pretend as if you are so much in control of the situation. People of Serbia know that you have no say in Kosova issue that’s why they are making so much fun out of you.
K-Serbs learned that politicians like you have deceived and left Krajina Serbs homeless and the same was done to B-Serbs.
Visit to Moscow can be seen as positive since you managed to discuss about the visa liberation.

did the russian guy say anything?

Not so convincing there Jeremic trying to convince us that all these measures are nothing but contingency plans for the impossible. Show some courage and tell the Serbs what has by now become clear to you as FM: Kosova is gone! The funny thing is that independence will happen and Serbia will not be able to anything about it. Of course politicians will scream and protest but to be completely frank as an Albanian watching Kostunica and the Radicals scream of frustration is a sight I will enjoy greatly.

Princip: No, independence will not happen on December 11th. A big thing like this cannot be prepared overnight. There will first be a declaration of a date of proclamation and then it will be proclaimed. For appearances' sake the K-Albanian leadership will wait for the SG of the UN to receive the report and its findings and then it will happen. Meanwhile you can continue to pretend nothing is gonna happen, but I suggest you start preparing yourself psychologically for the loss. Unless you already know and can't admit it out of "inat" vis-a-vis us Albanians.

Serbia is giving its unlimited efforts to “preserve” 15 % of its territory. But instead it becomes funny with various proposals. Now Mr Jeremic satisfies himself with “another” pearl; well, he is going to nullify the eventual proclamation of independence by the Ksovars, and he is completely convinced on international support! I would take the opportunity to ask Mr. Jeremic the following: does the Jeremic’s International Community include USA, France, Great Brittany, Germany, Italy etc. I listed purposely only International most powerful states who have already recognized Independence of Kosovo. The next question is; why Mr. Jeremic eliminate the use of force as an option to prevent independence?

"The game is lost. Kosovo will not be Serbia agian.
(Bad Gorilla, 24 November 2007 20:02)"

dear gorilla... if I were you, I wouldn´t bet one single banana on that! =)

Kosovo, just as the rest of Serbia was occupied for centuries ...and Serbs came back.
this time, it won´t last centuries.
that´s something you CAN bet on.

Alas, As Serbia moves closer to becoming the 1st slave to the new Russian empire. The price Serbians are going to pay for their Russian "support" will be overwhelming.

kate, you don't have a horse in this race, so tone it down.

Princip,
but so many hundreds of thousands of Serbian Albanians from the Serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija are only too happy to accept Serbian citizenship having obtained their passports and many tens of thousands continue to do so each month!
[link]
(Princip, UK, 23 November 2007 16:06)


Come on Princip, you know better than this. The link you provided is nothing but a joke. To say that the only ID accepted abroad is Serbian is pure lie.

A lie which has a label written all over the place "Made in Serbia". or as in your case "Made in Princip"

Just for your info, almost all Albanians in Kosova have UNMIK ID and UNMIK ID is recognised almost by the whole world.

I know that a lot of Albanians went to USA, Australia, New Zealand,Middle East, Asia and not to mention EU, with UNMIK ID. For God's sake even Monte Negro accepts UNMIK's ID and Albanians have no problem at all traveling with UNMIK's ID.

The only people who uses Yugoslavian passport, not Serbian, because even proper Serbians don't have a Serbian Passport, are those in diaspora. The first Serbian Passport will be issued as of March 1, 2008.

Now that we made that clear, let me tell you that those who took Yugoslavian passports/ID were people from diaspora who could not travel to Kosova and apply for UNMIK ID in person, as required.

Whereas with 100(hundred) dinars, they paid to a Serbian official in Serbia and as if by magic, they got the YU ID. They didn't even have to leave their jobs and places where they live for YU ID.

Even those who had the old YU ID, just before their ID expired they came to Kosova and applied for UNMIK one.

Again, they didn't have a problem traveling with UNMIK ID. The only down side to UNMIK's ID is their short time expire date. Thus, people with UNMIK ID have to come to Kosova every two years to extent their ID, hence they were fed up having to do that and they went for YU ID instead. It saves the hassle and time.

Make no mistake, this is only temporary and once we declare our Independence we will be with our Kosovar ID.

When that day comes and it won't be long, I won't be surprised if I see Albanians gather in Prishtina's centre with their YU ID and putting them on fire in front of world's media.

As the things are and if Serbia continues to snub EU and USA, don't be surprise if you see Serbians queuing for Kosova's ID, where visa restriction will be much less than for Serbians, if no restrictions at all

"The point is that some of you people pushing for Kosovo independence should take a more in depth look at the history of the Balkans. Imposed solutions and ultimatums have never been a long term success. In fact, they have led to more suffering and tragedy."

First of all lets me say, thanks God you're not the Klinsman I know. I have great respect for him, one of the best forwards of all times.

Second read your quote again, the one I included in this post. Then go open some history books, not Albanian, not Serbian. You will learn that Kosova/o's solution was imposed to the Albanians in the beginning of last century in the various conferences, that of London, Paris and Berlin. Then after you have learned those, you will see that as an Albanian your quote actually makes sense. The Albanian grievances were never addressed back then, and the solution was forced on us (meaning autonomy within Jugoslavia was forced on us), and that resulted in tragedies. I don't know how another autonomy will not be forced on us and will be acceptable to us, knowing how bad the first one was.
Then it is quite easy to see that the thought of autonomy does not even pass through our mind; and the fact that we have now more than what the Serbs are proposing is an added plus in not accepting their re-labeled plan.

B92 it wasn't necessary that you edited second half of my comment.

Smile, don't worry Agim Ceku graduated out of University of Belgrade as well. This guy VUK, he seriously looks like a grown man stuck in a baby's body---especially his face. :P

if sergei levrov's family for example his mother, sister,son or daughter were slaughtered like kosovo albanias then he wouldn't be making such comments. the world knows the history of kosovo and what serbians did to albanias in the war and that is why on december10th kosovo will gain it's independence

Some world renown profesors of economy and politics have predicted that the new local powers in Balkans will be Hungary and Albania...hmmmm...I wander what the education of this Minister has to do with that...just saying...

It may not seems at the first gaze, but Serbia is alone. Kosovo does not have Russian nor Serbian troops in its soil, and it’s protected by nuclear-armed NATO. USA, UK, France and Germany, the Big Four of the Western World, support Kosovo independence. Even Bulgaria (now in EU and NATO) and Macedonia turned their backs to Serbia.

Serbia can cry loud… but it can’t do anything to regain Kosovo. Well, the Tsar Lazar Guard could play the “Brancaleone Army”, but it would be neutralized easily.

The game is lost. Kosovo will not be Serbia agian.

"Dear Johnny:

The Serbs are not without their rights in Kosovo. You don't get to have it all your way. Meanwhile, why don't you start proving that you can handle yourselves as a democratic, civilized society by giving the Serbs living there basic human rights. That would actually go a long way to help your cause."

Klinsman if the self professed democratic state of Serbia bans its ethnic Albanian population from voting for their constitution at least we're more democratic by not only allowing but also urging the Serbs in Kosova/o to vote.
Then since Serbia hasn't proved to be a democartic state since it denies a whole ethnicity the pillar of democracy, the right to vote, since the mass murders and ethnic cleansing of 1999 was causued by Serbs, then if I follow your logic Serbia should be stripped of its sovereignty immediately, and it would have no cause whatsoever when it comes to Kosova/o.

P.S If you are trying to play the impartial here, play it right.

By International Community I presume they mean Russia and Serbia. Why can't Serbia just except that the Kosovo Albanians do not wish to be Serbian Citizens. Allow the Serbian areas to remain within Serbia and let the Albanians go. I think Serbia just wants the K Albanians land, Serbia doesn't care about the K Albanians. If autonomy is imposed upon the K Albanians then there will be war at some point in the future as the K Albanians will never except this. We all know that Serbia will take this "autonomy" away in the future like they did in 1989.

I guess is it easier for Mr Jeremic to lie through his teeth bearing in mind his big gap in the from. Russia’s game is well and truly over. In the long term they have made it easier for EU to speak with one voice. Here is the link to today’s Economist. http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10177159

which International community are you talking about Mr. Jeremic?
I sugest that you use every chance that you get for photo opportunity before Kosova declares Independence, because I think afterwards you will be ashamed even to be seen in public, BECASUE YOU KEEP PROMISSING SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE UNABLE TO DELIVER.

“Serbia will use political, diplomatic, economic and legal means to render the decision null and void. Serbia will do everything to get things back on the earlier track and prevent this decision being taken, but it will not use force,” Jeremić said.

“Serbia will never accept an illegitimate act that threatens its sovereignty and territorial integrity, because that would have dramatic consequences for the entire region,” Jeremić said

Mr. Jeremic words are the sane as Mr. Borisav Jovic’s, Milosevic’s. In fact they have nullified the Illegal proclamation of Independence of Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia as this will matter so much to Serbian public. C’mon Serbia n politicians, don’t pretend as if you are so much in control of the situation. People of Serbia know that you have no say in Kosova issue that’s why they are making so much fun out of you.
K-Serbs learned that politicians like you have deceived and left Krajina Serbs homeless and the same was done to B-Serbs.
Visit to Moscow can be seen as positive since you managed to discuss about the visa liberation.

Not so convincing there Jeremic trying to convince us that all these measures are nothing but contingency plans for the impossible. Show some courage and tell the Serbs what has by now become clear to you as FM: Kosova is gone! The funny thing is that independence will happen and Serbia will not be able to anything about it. Of course politicians will scream and protest but to be completely frank as an Albanian watching Kostunica and the Radicals scream of frustration is a sight I will enjoy greatly.

Princip: No, independence will not happen on December 11th. A big thing like this cannot be prepared overnight. There will first be a declaration of a date of proclamation and then it will be proclaimed. For appearances' sake the K-Albanian leadership will wait for the SG of the UN to receive the report and its findings and then it will happen. Meanwhile you can continue to pretend nothing is gonna happen, but I suggest you start preparing yourself psychologically for the loss. Unless you already know and can't admit it out of "inat" vis-a-vis us Albanians.

as i read how Mr. Jeremić continous his mission imposible , prevention of Kosova Indenpendence , i can not think of Sancho pancho and his war with windmill . go on Mr. Jeremić , i enjoy reading your statements .

So Vuk graduated out of University of Belgrade right? Must have been valedictorian.

Kate - Why does it matter what other peoples names are? Half the names around here you can not pronounce, mine included.

Serbia is giving its unlimited efforts to “preserve” 15 % of its territory. But instead it becomes funny with various proposals. Now Mr Jeremic satisfies himself with “another” pearl; well, he is going to nullify the eventual proclamation of independence by the Ksovars, and he is completely convinced on international support! I would take the opportunity to ask Mr. Jeremic the following: does the Jeremic’s International Community include USA, France, Great Brittany, Germany, Italy etc. I listed purposely only International most powerful states who have already recognized Independence of Kosovo. The next question is; why Mr. Jeremic eliminate the use of force as an option to prevent independence?

kate, you don't have a horse in this race, so tone it down.

Alas, As Serbia moves closer to becoming the 1st slave to the new Russian empire. The price Serbians are going to pay for their Russian "support" will be overwhelming.

Cvele,

´Hmmm no support from the UN.....´

Dejavu-1999 bombing

B92 it wasn't necessary that you edited second half of my comment.

Smile, don't worry Agim Ceku graduated out of University of Belgrade as well. This guy VUK, he seriously looks like a grown man stuck in a baby's body---especially his face. :P

if sergei levrov's family for example his mother, sister,son or daughter were slaughtered like kosovo albanias then he wouldn't be making such comments. the world knows the history of kosovo and what serbians did to albanias in the war and that is why on december10th kosovo will gain it's independence

Some world renown profesors of economy and politics have predicted that the new local powers in Balkans will be Hungary and Albania...hmmmm...I wander what the education of this Minister has to do with that...just saying...

Time and international law is on Serbia's Soeverign side. The last 8 years have highlighted this time and again and as much as the US huff and puff they know this only too well!

Serbians need to realise that this stance is the best way forward. Illegal declarations remain illegal and the US, UK and France have an obligation to uphold the UN resolutions that they formulated, signed and agreed as well as respecting other international agreements that respect all (including their own) sovereignity equally as it does Serbia's.

Beyond which the UN and and its local administration UNMIK in the Serbian province have an obligation to ignore such an illegal declaration and immediatly nullify it - which I am sure they will.

Any action that goes against the UN and all other international norms and laws will however create the greatest instability and then I guess we might hear a different tone in the months ahead. For now Serbia is insisting that everyone remains calm and diplomacy be utilised but that is upto the US and the "few" EU nations who need to understand the repurcussions of any illegal action they suggest they "may" take against international norms and laws.

One other point is the increased partnership of Serbia and Russia can accelerate in a new way come the 12th December after the withdrawal of Russia from CFE. Unless of course the US have a change of mind in their reckless foreign policy - the ball will be well and truly in the US court - do they really act so aggresivly against the UN or do they understand that false promises can never be deliverable ?

Come the 11th Decemeber I hope those who are still dreaming wake up to the reality that the US false promise is exactly that - a false promise and it is not in the US capability to give away what is not its to give away!

I really dont hope that another false dawn (ever movable deadline) is set as 1244 remains and will remain so irrespective of the US bluster untill of course a "negotiated" compromise is found - only then will a new Resolution be agreeable.

Alas I guess many will be only too willing to be strung along again by Uncle Sam and his false promise! But saddly this will make economic revival - something needs to happen all the less likely.

did the russian guy say anything?

Hmmm no support from the UN and no support from the EU. Deffinetely no independence. There is just no support for it. CCCC

Princip,
but so many hundreds of thousands of Serbian Albanians from the Serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija are only too happy to accept Serbian citizenship having obtained their passports and many tens of thousands continue to do so each month!
[link]
(Princip, UK, 23 November 2007 16:06)


Come on Princip, you know better than this. The link you provided is nothing but a joke. To say that the only ID accepted abroad is Serbian is pure lie.

A lie which has a label written all over the place "Made in Serbia". or as in your case "Made in Princip"

Just for your info, almost all Albanians in Kosova have UNMIK ID and UNMIK ID is recognised almost by the whole world.

I know that a lot of Albanians went to USA, Australia, New Zealand,Middle East, Asia and not to mention EU, with UNMIK ID. For God's sake even Monte Negro accepts UNMIK's ID and Albanians have no problem at all traveling with UNMIK's ID.

The only people who uses Yugoslavian passport, not Serbian, because even proper Serbians don't have a Serbian Passport, are those in diaspora. The first Serbian Passport will be issued as of March 1, 2008.

Now that we made that clear, let me tell you that those who took Yugoslavian passports/ID were people from diaspora who could not travel to Kosova and apply for UNMIK ID in person, as required.

Whereas with 100(hundred) dinars, they paid to a Serbian official in Serbia and as if by magic, they got the YU ID. They didn't even have to leave their jobs and places where they live for YU ID.

Even those who had the old YU ID, just before their ID expired they came to Kosova and applied for UNMIK one.

Again, they didn't have a problem traveling with UNMIK ID. The only down side to UNMIK's ID is their short time expire date. Thus, people with UNMIK ID have to come to Kosova every two years to extent their ID, hence they were fed up having to do that and they went for YU ID instead. It saves the hassle and time.

Make no mistake, this is only temporary and once we declare our Independence we will be with our Kosovar ID.

When that day comes and it won't be long, I won't be surprised if I see Albanians gather in Prishtina's centre with their YU ID and putting them on fire in front of world's media.

As the things are and if Serbia continues to snub EU and USA, don't be surprise if you see Serbians queuing for Kosova's ID, where visa restriction will be much less than for Serbians, if no restrictions at all

It may not seems at the first gaze, but Serbia is alone. Kosovo does not have Russian nor Serbian troops in its soil, and it’s protected by nuclear-armed NATO. USA, UK, France and Germany, the Big Four of the Western World, support Kosovo independence. Even Bulgaria (now in EU and NATO) and Macedonia turned their backs to Serbia.

Serbia can cry loud… but it can’t do anything to regain Kosovo. Well, the Tsar Lazar Guard could play the “Brancaleone Army”, but it would be neutralized easily.

The game is lost. Kosovo will not be Serbia agian.

"Dear Johnny:

The Serbs are not without their rights in Kosovo. You don't get to have it all your way. Meanwhile, why don't you start proving that you can handle yourselves as a democratic, civilized society by giving the Serbs living there basic human rights. That would actually go a long way to help your cause."

Klinsman if the self professed democratic state of Serbia bans its ethnic Albanian population from voting for their constitution at least we're more democratic by not only allowing but also urging the Serbs in Kosova/o to vote.
Then since Serbia hasn't proved to be a democartic state since it denies a whole ethnicity the pillar of democracy, the right to vote, since the mass murders and ethnic cleansing of 1999 was causued by Serbs, then if I follow your logic Serbia should be stripped of its sovereignty immediately, and it would have no cause whatsoever when it comes to Kosova/o.

P.S If you are trying to play the impartial here, play it right.

'Mark Green' - interesting that someone who clearly doesn't have English as a first language would use such an English sounding name.

Mark Green,

I´ll answer you, just in case you´re not an albanian who just once again ineffectually wants to create the look of "all foreigners are on our side"... what is understandable, from their desperate point of view...but has a very low credibility...

first of all, ALL of the SERBIAN province of KiM is serbian area. what is so difficult to understand about that simple fact?

2nd: if there is another war, as you want to predict, ..then it will certainly not be started by the serbian state.
the Albanians, or , to be more precise, a certain part of them, is the one who is the troublemaker here...keep that in mind.

third: Serbia will not allow that to happen. you should not ask other states to do, what you yourself wouldn´t do!

in regard to the mentioning of the intern. community:

he´s quite right, when he is saying that! even if some states "recognized" you... it would only be like special relations between them and the serbian province, since the real,and I mean it quite seriously, the real and only arena is the UNSC.
otherwise all those "declarations" are only something like a make-up, covering up the failure of certain factors to deliver, what can´t be delivered...


so, I do not care at all, if some "studied" criminal, like taci, "declares" some kind of toy-indpendence... and even if the Albanians here in this forum would cheer and be happy... I know that this doesn´t mean a thing....

it would perhaps even be better, they would feel like they got what they wanted...and Serbia got also what was wanted.

try to get a membership in the IMF or other international institutions afterwards.. and you will see just HOW independent the Albanians in Kosovo are...

let´s see what future brings!

Mark Green,

"Why can't Serbia just except that the Kosovo Albanians do not wish to be Serbian Citizens"

- but so many hundreds of thousands of Serbian Albanians from the Serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija are only too happy to accept Serbian citizenship having obtained their passports and many tens of thousands continue to do so each month!
http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/politika081307.htm

"So Vuk graduated out of University of Belgrade right? Must have been valedictorian."

KS that was funny, thanks :)
but no, more likely you did, if you went to university. many kosovo albanians studied over here. but sergei's best mate is, as you know, an ivy league fella.
:)

someone in the US is coming to reason, finally...

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2007/11/20/first_kosovo_and_then_what/

I think that this is not the last article of that kind in american newspapers... and

keep in mind: the Boston Globe is not such a smal yellow-page -paper like Koha Ditore...

let´s see what future brings!

No independence! Amazing, this is something we've known for quite sometime! It's just a pipe dream as they've been "promising" the world this independance for the last, what, decade??

It's just not happening & this is proof that bush's words didn't mean a thing when he visited tirana!

I see that several people here are only too happy to see Kosovo become an independent Albanian country. You think it's inevitable, because certain powers want it that way.

Let me just caution you that certain people once wanted a Yugoslavia, and now it's gone. Go further back and some people wanted the Austrian Hungarian empire or Ottoman empire around, and they're gone. Just because the great powers want something now, doesn't mean it will stay that way in the future.

The point is that some of you people pushing for Kosovo independence should take a more in depth look at the history of the Balkans. Imposed solutions and ultimatums have never been a long term success. In fact, they have led to more suffering and tragedy. That's why the Serbian sign off to the deal are critical for the international community.

So far the international discussions about Kosovo have been so one sided, that Serbian needs have been completely overlooked. Until the Albanians and those of you who support them actually recognize Serbian interests and needs within the region, it's hard to believe any long lasting solution will take effect. History would show that I'm right.

Cvele,

´Hmmm no support from the UN.....´

Dejavu-1999 bombing
(K-Alb, 23 November 2007 18:28)

Im so happy that u believe its still 99.

"The point is that some of you people pushing for Kosovo independence should take a more in depth look at the history of the Balkans. Imposed solutions and ultimatums have never been a long term success. In fact, they have led to more suffering and tragedy."

First of all lets me say, thanks God you're not the Klinsman I know. I have great respect for him, one of the best forwards of all times.

Second read your quote again, the one I included in this post. Then go open some history books, not Albanian, not Serbian. You will learn that Kosova/o's solution was imposed to the Albanians in the beginning of last century in the various conferences, that of London, Paris and Berlin. Then after you have learned those, you will see that as an Albanian your quote actually makes sense. The Albanian grievances were never addressed back then, and the solution was forced on us (meaning autonomy within Jugoslavia was forced on us), and that resulted in tragedies. I don't know how another autonomy will not be forced on us and will be acceptable to us, knowing how bad the first one was.
Then it is quite easy to see that the thought of autonomy does not even pass through our mind; and the fact that we have now more than what the Serbs are proposing is an added plus in not accepting their re-labeled plan.

"´Hmmm no support from the UN.....´

Dejavu-1999 bombing
(K-Alb)"

Allow me to remind you that aggression of NATO/US didn't have blessing of UN. Exactly opposite. It was illegal act of aggression.

I wonder, and this is a hypocrisy of UN, that it took administration of the province not requesting a withdrawal of all NATO/US forces. They supposed to be replaced by UN peacekeepers.

So, do not claim that UN supported aggression of Serbia.

Somebody else wrote that Serbia is going to be slave of Imperial Russia. But this is not the same Russia as it was USSR. It is much more democratic and having much more money. Their investment in Serbia is going to be more important then western investment. Perhaps Serbia is going to be slave of Russia. So what?

Kosovo for the last 8 years is colony of US, UK, UE and Germany. And what? Unemployment of at least 50%, drugs and human trafficking, corruption and the lowest standard of living in entire Europe.

If you dream about huge investments by EU or US then better wake up right now. Us need Kosovo only for military bases. Nothing else. Read "The America's Project of 21 century" and you will understand what is going on.

Many Kosovo Albanians already realize it. Very low turnout during last election is the best proof of it. Your leaders and corrupted officials of UN will make fortunes but the rest of you is going to be very poor.

"Agim Ceku graduated out of University of Belgrade"

that's right, and surroi's father was our ambassador abroad. so much for discrimination albanians suffer in this country, that they just had to take up arms against the state. you had access to schools and senior state positions, and everything below and inbetween that. and when you no longer had access it was of your own choice, your particular brand of propaganda via playing the arch victim.
you were second class citizens under milosevic? i'll tell you what, so were we. we had inflation of 70 million percent per day at one point, we had disintegration of health and social system, we had war, we were 10th class citizens.
but tell me just one thing: why is it that they say in the west, milosevic got to power in 1987 manipulating the suffering of kosovo serbs? who brought the suffering on kosovo serbs twenty years ago and more importantly why?
you know his demagogue slogan to kosovo serbs, no one will beat you from now on.
who was beating kosovo serbs and attacking them twenty years ago, and why?
could it be because they were a minority in that territory and so the majority thought they would just intimidate and drive them away in quiet ethnic cleansing?
really, why did you albanians create and sustain milosevic? without you he would've retired as belgrade communist council aparatchik. why didnt you participate in elections in 90, 92, 96, and remove him? you were 20 percent of the electorate, you would've swayed the result easy. so many people suffered as a cosequence of what you did and did not do.
maybe this is because you never accepted serbia as other minorities do, irrelevant of who was in power and what policies. but, if that is the root of this problem, then, i'm sure that basques don't and corsicans don't and let's not even mention hungarians in romania, they don't accept the states where they live. but that doesn't change a thing. borders in europe do not change because of one ethnic group's myths and wishes, that they should have a country, that they should separate. yugo was made of six republics, one of those, my country, had and still has two provinces. badinter commission early in the first war decided that yugo would break up along republic borders. there are now six states where yugo was. the process is over.
but like i said before, if you really must: declare independence, and take de facto and put in on your flag and in your anthem and also spread it on your bread.
i will be very interested to see which foreign investor will be ready to invest one euro in such a de facto mess of a place.
not gloating here mind you, because i see no benefit for anyone from this, but you are making such a huge mistake.
cos de iure's never happening.

Dear Johnny:

The Serbs are not without their rights in Kosovo. You don't get to have it all your way. Meanwhile, why don't you start proving that you can handle yourselves as a democratic, civilized society by giving the Serbs living there basic human rights. That would actually go a long way to help your cause.

"The game is lost. Kosovo will not be Serbia agian.
(Bad Gorilla, 24 November 2007 20:02)"

dear gorilla... if I were you, I wouldn´t bet one single banana on that! =)

Kosovo, just as the rest of Serbia was occupied for centuries ...and Serbs came back.
this time, it won´t last centuries.
that´s something you CAN bet on.