"Serbian leaders know Kosovo will be independent"

I had a feeling of this too, that the Serbian politicians were aware of this fact. This is why I am pretty certain they will allow Kosovo to go without violence. I think they knew this since Kosovo was administered by the UN, let's hope that it goes smoothly.

At the end the politicians of Serbia will find the appropriate way to explain lost of Kosova to their citizens. As soon they do it the situation will be easier for all nations of the region. I believe they will find the courage needed to take this step.

No Mr Kacin, you are very wrong saying that Serbian politicians are aware of loosing Kosovo. Serbian politicians just try to respect and believe in international law. You however, obviously have no idea the meaning of international law and you even ready to break it just to proof how true European you are.

Yes Serbian politicians are trying to find way out by finding the solution but Europe don’t care to find it because Europe as a USA's puppet wants and need crisis regions.

Furthermore, Speaking of Alands as an exotic proposal that wont work in Balkan is nothing more then the way to diminish Serbian efforts in finding solutions and same time you insult Balkan people by saying that this proposal wont work. Probably you think of Balkan people as uncivilized and are not capable of reaching an agreement acceptable and suitable for all involved sides.

Well, Mr Kacin, maybe you could answer why Kosovo is not already independent if you already know the final status? Why don’t you just violate the international law and finally declare it. Your way to wheedle EU is truly tasteless and much speaks about your profile, personality. Mr Kacin, just remember where would you be without Austria and Germany.

I think that Serbia should finally do something and react on this sorts of statements and I truly live for the day when Serbia will break all the trade business with Slovenia

And for the end, don’t fool yourself or anyone from EU that Serbia will just seat and watch peacefully while the others are trying to secede the part of its land and give to someone else. You are very wrong if you think that Serbs from Srpska will be silent after precedent in Kosovo.

"exotic solution, completely unacceptable for conditions in the Balkans."

- it actually is a "european" solution thus to suggest the Aland solution is foreign and strange (i.e. definition of exotic) clearly this Slovene character has a poor understanding of English vocab. Someone should remind him the Alands are in Europe and so is the "balkans" so it is to use his words fairly "exotic" (strange) initself to suggest that such a solution is exotic to Europe!

Maybe he would prefer the Serbs utilised a more "Balkan" solution? Perhaps that utilised by the Croats ? I guess this is all he could be suggesting seeing as he brings in the idea that the solution should reflect the Balkans!

Though I would not personally agree with Kacin for such an inhuman solution and it does surprise me that he would think a "Balkan" solution is what the "europeans" would prefer as opposed to another "european" solution given that the Aland Islands are in "europe" and thus not really "exotic" to a "european" solution for the "balkans".

Is it not the Slovenes who deny the exisitance of many ethnic communities and have labelled them as illegal in Slovenia and just erased them form their register of citizens?
http://www.justiceinitiative.org/db/resource2?res_id=103920
Sloevenia is neither a beacon of human rights (recent attacks on Roma) and I would not suggest Serbia follow this route either but maybe that is what Kacin would want Serbia to do seeing as he believes a solution more "balkan" in nature else for fear it being too "exotic" !

Oh what a tangled web we weave........

Of course they know it. They are just trying to milk the poor cow to death. I say to death because they don't know how to stop. Kosova Independence is a must for an everlasting peace in Balkans. It is time for Serbian politician to be brave and tell their own people the whole truth.

Peter, I have had this feeling a long time ago, as well.
I am sure there will be some huffing and puffing, but at the end Kosova/o will get its long deserved Independence and hopefully the Kosova/o Serbs will re-integrate themselves into Kosovan society.

what Kacin say may apply south of the Ibar. But it certainly does not apply to north Kosovo in the least. Even he, along with the US and Eu know as well as Belgrade and Moscow where the overwhelming preferences and loyalties of the K-Serbs in north Kosovo lie. Far from being lost to Belgrade, these K-Serbs are more determined than ever to cement their area to Serbia.

And of course now everyone in the Serb camp will feign surprise and shock at the guy saying this openly, but the fact is that we knew and have been saying this all along. Serbs should be surprised their politicians haven't told them about this, yes, but not that they knew.

And Bmrusila: Yours is a very emotional reaction to what is I guess a very emotional issue for Serbs. However in front of facts emotions don't help much. So you can let yourself be guided by emotions when faced with the loss of Kosova and turn your back on Slovenia and the EU and US but it doesn't take a genius to know who loses more from that: you!

Majority of Serbs LIVING IN SERBIA want nothing to do with Kosova, don’t want Kosova to be part of Serbia, don’t want to go East but West. They want job and better life’s just like Princip and Kate.
Serb politicians supporters are on minority. Let Serbia breath freely. Keep your backward thinking for your selves inside your houses.

"Serbian leaders know Kosovo will be independent"
These leaders will obviously not be able to confront their people with information like this since the very people they would be confronting are the ones who have chosen these leaders to do exactly the opposite (prevent independence).

- In less then 20 years the number of Serbs in Kosovo(a) will decrease dramatically. Simply because the Serbs will have (or hope to have) a better future in Serbia than in a newly formed country like Kosovo(a). The same happened during the 70’s, the number of emigrants increased massively in the 80’ so it’s obvious that this is inevitable.
Most of the Serbian posters here have been constantly saying that Kosovo(a) will never get Independence. The very few who started realising that that is not the case, now are claiming that, well, sooner or later maybe in 50-100 years we (Serbs) will get Kosovo(a) back. HOW? How many Serbs do you really think will be there in 50 years time?

Serbia's politicians do not know Kosovo will be independent.. however they very well do know it will be recognized illegally.

On that same note... the west knows that Serbia will not lay down and accept its territory being stripped away.

and neither will Russia

kacin should try to learn hypnosis
next time he's in Belgrade, if ever… :) and talks to serbian politicians, he should try with "relax, and count backwards… you know kosovo will be independent, you know kosovo will be independent… COME ON, stubborn serbs, you know kosovo will be independent.."
this other thing he's trying just ain't working.
i remember hearing a variation of this over a year ago, that serbian leaders really ached for someone to impose a solution on them so they dont have to be the ones to say it. i guess us policy makers have been bitterly surprised.
no serbian leader will accept kosovo's independence, and no serbian government will recognize it if it happens, and what economic effects that will have on kosovo is for albanians to consider. i dont care.

This is enough good basis for further steps. Now Serbian politicians should find the ways to communicate with people in Serbia and international community to make it obvious for everybody.
And, as long as we talk from the point of view 'win' and 'loss' we will only give a chance to a radicals from all sides, we don't need their involvment - they have done enough 'work'...
All this has to be considered as part of historical processes and developments and nobody can stop or prolonge it becuase with this we make it more and more harmful. Imagine where we would be if ex-Yu would be desintegrated in peaceful way by the middle of '80 or begining of '90! May be Balkan Union would be competitive to EU?!
Good luck to all rational people of all sides and independent Kosovo...

Leaving at one side nationalistic rhetoric both parties should understand that degree of control by their elites is overwhelming. Division, fear and dependency have been used overwhelmingly to instrument the uniform thinking of both nations. The debate should focus on what kind of state Kosova should be. Can multi-ethic format work in such a state? Of course, sceptics among us will state that such enterprise is impossible, but even in a place like Kosova with severe division there are beautiful stories of cooperation and coexistence. Albanians do not want control over the Serbs. Being a minority does not mean that Serb identity is under threat. Surely moderate Serbs understand that the best way for them to cherish their history and culture in Kosova is to engage fully with Albanians in joined state. All other alternatives will lead us nowhere.

bmrusila,

Your attitude epitomizes the weakness of Serbia. Get real.

Kosovo is offering a lot. Some one should tell the Albanians: enough is enough!!

If Serbia’s political leaders thought for sure Kosovo was getting full independence they would have jumped at the partition idea floated so often by the West lately.

According to Serb politicians Serbs should be united and living within one country. No Serb will be out of Serbian boundaries. This idea turned to be the grave of many Serbs that were heavily deceived by the politicians that still in private claim that Krajina is not lost yet, RS B&H will be part of Serbia not to mention Kosova, Kosova is inseparable part of Serbia. Serbia has many cradles till now. First it was Slovenia, than Krajina, than Bosnia and of course current cradle Kosova.
Well saying that and reading postings of Princip and bmrusila I cannot say much more than; yes guys you are right
and carry on with my usual business.

Olf - do you have any evidence to back the following claim up?

"Majority of Serbs LIVING IN SERBIA want nothing to do with Kosova, don’t want Kosova to be part of Serbia,"

Well if not then here is some evidence for you to look at:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=11&dd=04&nav_id=45107

Alas ony 7 % - no where near a majority.

Mr Kacin knows what he is talking about. After all it's his job to know, and he has just been to meet with serbian politicians.
He is stating the abvious to us all, including manu poster her who are pretending that Kosovo becoming indipendant it's just a dream, and are expecting to wake up.
Russia accepted to be part of the Contact group, commited to help resolv the Kosovo issue. Was and still is one of UN countries authirising Ahtisaari.
Yet in the last minut Russia decided for many egoistic reasons to let down Kosovao as well as Serbia and serbian politicians, by blocking a new UN resolution.
E new UN resolution was serbian politicians way out, e new resolutin was what we all were waiting for, opening the dore to EU and e new and better future for us all.
This is being bloccked by Russia for own interessts. This is not fair to Kosovars (albanian, turk, roma, serb) nor Serbia and serbian people and their politicians.

once again B92 publishes the flawed thoughts of this slovenian lobbyist...

I´d say that almost all Serbs know that Mr.Kacins words do not have much weight...and as Mr.Koštunica said it, many foreign powers have already made that mistake in history to seriously think that Serbia is a country to give in to threats of violence, like in past times or to threats of terrorism, like the Albanians are constantly threatening with.

you never learn from history, as it seems.

ps: it´s just funny to read guys like Nick telling others to "get real", while in a recent comment he said he would rather eat roots than accept serbian sovereignty over Kosovo.
if all fails, what we all do not hope, he could be ending up with his roots on the table.

i think that Albanians and Serbs should exchange teritories,northern kosovo serbs should be exchanged for albanians in presevo valley the new kosovo would be 99% albanian and serbia will be albanian free,then there will be nothing they can fight over!! the same applys for republika serbska and sanzak!!ethnic borders is the way to long lasting peace in balkans.

"Majority of Serbs LIVING IN SERBIA want nothing to do with Kosova, don’t want Kosova to be part of Serbia, don’t want to go East but West. They want job and better life’s just like Princip and Kate.
Serb politicians supporters are on minority. Let Serbia breath freely. Keep your backward thinking for your selves inside your houses.
(Olf, 22 November 2007 17:12)"

Serbs will never allow you to grab serbian territory..and certainly not if it is Kosovo...

get real!

"Serbian leaders know Kosovo will be independent"
These leaders will obviously not be able to confront their people with information like this since the very people they would be confronting are the ones who have chosen these leaders to do exactly the opposite (prevent independence).

- In less then 20 years the number of Serbs in Kosovo(a) will decrease dramatically. Simply because the Serbs will have (or hope to have) a better future in Serbia than in a newly formed country like Kosovo(a). The same happened during the 70’s, the number of emigrants increased massively in the 80’ so it’s obvious that this is inevitable.
Most of the Serbian posters here have been constantly saying that Kosovo(a) will never get Independence. The very few who started realising that that is not the case, now are claiming that, well, sooner or later maybe in 50-100 years we (Serbs) will get Kosovo(a) back. HOW? How many Serbs do you really think will be there in 50 years time?

I had a feeling of this too, that the Serbian politicians were aware of this fact. This is why I am pretty certain they will allow Kosovo to go without violence. I think they knew this since Kosovo was administered by the UN, let's hope that it goes smoothly.

According to Serb politicians Serbs should be united and living within one country. No Serb will be out of Serbian boundaries. This idea turned to be the grave of many Serbs that were heavily deceived by the politicians that still in private claim that Krajina is not lost yet, RS B&H will be part of Serbia not to mention Kosova, Kosova is inseparable part of Serbia. Serbia has many cradles till now. First it was Slovenia, than Krajina, than Bosnia and of course current cradle Kosova.
Well saying that and reading postings of Princip and bmrusila I cannot say much more than; yes guys you are right
and carry on with my usual business.

At the end the politicians of Serbia will find the appropriate way to explain lost of Kosova to their citizens. As soon they do it the situation will be easier for all nations of the region. I believe they will find the courage needed to take this step.

No Mr Kacin, you are very wrong saying that Serbian politicians are aware of loosing Kosovo. Serbian politicians just try to respect and believe in international law. You however, obviously have no idea the meaning of international law and you even ready to break it just to proof how true European you are.

Yes Serbian politicians are trying to find way out by finding the solution but Europe don’t care to find it because Europe as a USA's puppet wants and need crisis regions.

Furthermore, Speaking of Alands as an exotic proposal that wont work in Balkan is nothing more then the way to diminish Serbian efforts in finding solutions and same time you insult Balkan people by saying that this proposal wont work. Probably you think of Balkan people as uncivilized and are not capable of reaching an agreement acceptable and suitable for all involved sides.

Well, Mr Kacin, maybe you could answer why Kosovo is not already independent if you already know the final status? Why don’t you just violate the international law and finally declare it. Your way to wheedle EU is truly tasteless and much speaks about your profile, personality. Mr Kacin, just remember where would you be without Austria and Germany.

I think that Serbia should finally do something and react on this sorts of statements and I truly live for the day when Serbia will break all the trade business with Slovenia

And for the end, don’t fool yourself or anyone from EU that Serbia will just seat and watch peacefully while the others are trying to secede the part of its land and give to someone else. You are very wrong if you think that Serbs from Srpska will be silent after precedent in Kosovo.

Peter, I have had this feeling a long time ago, as well.
I am sure there will be some huffing and puffing, but at the end Kosova/o will get its long deserved Independence and hopefully the Kosova/o Serbs will re-integrate themselves into Kosovan society.

Of course they know it. They are just trying to milk the poor cow to death. I say to death because they don't know how to stop. Kosova Independence is a must for an everlasting peace in Balkans. It is time for Serbian politician to be brave and tell their own people the whole truth.

And of course now everyone in the Serb camp will feign surprise and shock at the guy saying this openly, but the fact is that we knew and have been saying this all along. Serbs should be surprised their politicians haven't told them about this, yes, but not that they knew.

And Bmrusila: Yours is a very emotional reaction to what is I guess a very emotional issue for Serbs. However in front of facts emotions don't help much. So you can let yourself be guided by emotions when faced with the loss of Kosova and turn your back on Slovenia and the EU and US but it doesn't take a genius to know who loses more from that: you!

Majority of Serbs LIVING IN SERBIA want nothing to do with Kosova, don’t want Kosova to be part of Serbia, don’t want to go East but West. They want job and better life’s just like Princip and Kate.
Serb politicians supporters are on minority. Let Serbia breath freely. Keep your backward thinking for your selves inside your houses.

This is enough good basis for further steps. Now Serbian politicians should find the ways to communicate with people in Serbia and international community to make it obvious for everybody.
And, as long as we talk from the point of view 'win' and 'loss' we will only give a chance to a radicals from all sides, we don't need their involvment - they have done enough 'work'...
All this has to be considered as part of historical processes and developments and nobody can stop or prolonge it becuase with this we make it more and more harmful. Imagine where we would be if ex-Yu would be desintegrated in peaceful way by the middle of '80 or begining of '90! May be Balkan Union would be competitive to EU?!
Good luck to all rational people of all sides and independent Kosovo...

once again B92 publishes the flawed thoughts of this slovenian lobbyist...

I´d say that almost all Serbs know that Mr.Kacins words do not have much weight...and as Mr.Koštunica said it, many foreign powers have already made that mistake in history to seriously think that Serbia is a country to give in to threats of violence, like in past times or to threats of terrorism, like the Albanians are constantly threatening with.

you never learn from history, as it seems.

ps: it´s just funny to read guys like Nick telling others to "get real", while in a recent comment he said he would rather eat roots than accept serbian sovereignty over Kosovo.
if all fails, what we all do not hope, he could be ending up with his roots on the table.

what Kacin say may apply south of the Ibar. But it certainly does not apply to north Kosovo in the least. Even he, along with the US and Eu know as well as Belgrade and Moscow where the overwhelming preferences and loyalties of the K-Serbs in north Kosovo lie. Far from being lost to Belgrade, these K-Serbs are more determined than ever to cement their area to Serbia.

"exotic solution, completely unacceptable for conditions in the Balkans."

- it actually is a "european" solution thus to suggest the Aland solution is foreign and strange (i.e. definition of exotic) clearly this Slovene character has a poor understanding of English vocab. Someone should remind him the Alands are in Europe and so is the "balkans" so it is to use his words fairly "exotic" (strange) initself to suggest that such a solution is exotic to Europe!

Maybe he would prefer the Serbs utilised a more "Balkan" solution? Perhaps that utilised by the Croats ? I guess this is all he could be suggesting seeing as he brings in the idea that the solution should reflect the Balkans!

Though I would not personally agree with Kacin for such an inhuman solution and it does surprise me that he would think a "Balkan" solution is what the "europeans" would prefer as opposed to another "european" solution given that the Aland Islands are in "europe" and thus not really "exotic" to a "european" solution for the "balkans".

Is it not the Slovenes who deny the exisitance of many ethnic communities and have labelled them as illegal in Slovenia and just erased them form their register of citizens?
http://www.justiceinitiative.org/db/resource2?res_id=103920
Sloevenia is neither a beacon of human rights (recent attacks on Roma) and I would not suggest Serbia follow this route either but maybe that is what Kacin would want Serbia to do seeing as he believes a solution more "balkan" in nature else for fear it being too "exotic" !

Oh what a tangled web we weave........

Serbia's politicians do not know Kosovo will be independent.. however they very well do know it will be recognized illegally.

On that same note... the west knows that Serbia will not lay down and accept its territory being stripped away.

and neither will Russia

bmrusila,

Your attitude epitomizes the weakness of Serbia. Get real.

kacin should try to learn hypnosis
next time he's in Belgrade, if ever… :) and talks to serbian politicians, he should try with "relax, and count backwards… you know kosovo will be independent, you know kosovo will be independent… COME ON, stubborn serbs, you know kosovo will be independent.."
this other thing he's trying just ain't working.
i remember hearing a variation of this over a year ago, that serbian leaders really ached for someone to impose a solution on them so they dont have to be the ones to say it. i guess us policy makers have been bitterly surprised.
no serbian leader will accept kosovo's independence, and no serbian government will recognize it if it happens, and what economic effects that will have on kosovo is for albanians to consider. i dont care.

Olf - do you have any evidence to back the following claim up?

"Majority of Serbs LIVING IN SERBIA want nothing to do with Kosova, don’t want Kosova to be part of Serbia,"

Well if not then here is some evidence for you to look at:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=11&dd=04&nav_id=45107

Alas ony 7 % - no where near a majority.

Mr Kacin knows what he is talking about. After all it's his job to know, and he has just been to meet with serbian politicians.
He is stating the abvious to us all, including manu poster her who are pretending that Kosovo becoming indipendant it's just a dream, and are expecting to wake up.
Russia accepted to be part of the Contact group, commited to help resolv the Kosovo issue. Was and still is one of UN countries authirising Ahtisaari.
Yet in the last minut Russia decided for many egoistic reasons to let down Kosovao as well as Serbia and serbian politicians, by blocking a new UN resolution.
E new UN resolution was serbian politicians way out, e new resolutin was what we all were waiting for, opening the dore to EU and e new and better future for us all.
This is being bloccked by Russia for own interessts. This is not fair to Kosovars (albanian, turk, roma, serb) nor Serbia and serbian people and their politicians.

Kosovo is offering a lot. Some one should tell the Albanians: enough is enough!!

Leaving at one side nationalistic rhetoric both parties should understand that degree of control by their elites is overwhelming. Division, fear and dependency have been used overwhelmingly to instrument the uniform thinking of both nations. The debate should focus on what kind of state Kosova should be. Can multi-ethic format work in such a state? Of course, sceptics among us will state that such enterprise is impossible, but even in a place like Kosova with severe division there are beautiful stories of cooperation and coexistence. Albanians do not want control over the Serbs. Being a minority does not mean that Serb identity is under threat. Surely moderate Serbs understand that the best way for them to cherish their history and culture in Kosova is to engage fully with Albanians in joined state. All other alternatives will lead us nowhere.

i think that Albanians and Serbs should exchange teritories,northern kosovo serbs should be exchanged for albanians in presevo valley the new kosovo would be 99% albanian and serbia will be albanian free,then there will be nothing they can fight over!! the same applys for republika serbska and sanzak!!ethnic borders is the way to long lasting peace in balkans.

If Serbia’s political leaders thought for sure Kosovo was getting full independence they would have jumped at the partition idea floated so often by the West lately.

"Majority of Serbs LIVING IN SERBIA want nothing to do with Kosova, don’t want Kosova to be part of Serbia, don’t want to go East but West. They want job and better life’s just like Princip and Kate.
Serb politicians supporters are on minority. Let Serbia breath freely. Keep your backward thinking for your selves inside your houses.
(Olf, 22 November 2007 17:12)"

Serbs will never allow you to grab serbian territory..and certainly not if it is Kosovo...

get real!